I normally can't stand the Left Wing Owen Jones, but in one of his YouTube videos he makes a very important point. Workers rights are from EU Law. If we were to leave, to retain those rights, new laws would need to be created. Would it be high on the list of priorities of Prime Minister Boris?
You have to love YouTube.. when I watched the video (SPOLIER ALERT Owen thinks we should remain) it was preceded by a Vote Leave advert
Edit: Oh it is YouTube being inpartial
tbh, I don't think anyone has enough information , but generally a decent amount of us can make the best choice we believe with what we have available.
the problem lies in 50% of the country not even have any sort of information, throwing around stupid remarks, about things like everyone's said is not actually useful information, the papers/news/pm have all made this into a shit slinging competition, and most of us haven't actually been told reasonable information about what each choice will likely bring.
No they don't.Originally Posted by Asht_200
Andrew Neill v Hilary Benn on this (4m 25sec on):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3HoLIdxw08
He's about the only interviewer worth watching at the moment.
On the "Boris will be PM" - when Cameron stands down (in 2019/20) then it'll be down to the Conservate party to select a leader (I recon on Teresa May or Jacob Rees-Mogg), then it'll be an election. So exit in no way guarentees a Boris pm. In fact given the devision in the Tories at the moment Corbyn is probably in a pretty good place to win!
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don't start me on corbyn, the guys a freaking moron, he thinks he some political left winger that knows what the people want, sorry but no, he's a tosser.
I completely agree with this, i'm sick of people sharing his shite all over facebook.
people seem to think he's some kind of rebel overlord that knows what the people want.
no. he's spouts shot about maggie and how we should have done this or that.
but the guy has no clue what so ever. whenever he talks I feel like I'm looking at an oap that did a lot of lsd years ago, he's in his own world. if he became PM some how, I would honestly leave this ****ing country, we would be ruined.
Corbyn is a proper fanny, however he should stay in his job for as long as his wee ticker keeps going as he is doing a splendid job of keeping the red monkeys out of power.
Good government only comes with Good opposition. Corbyn seems to be stuck on student politics
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Thing is the more labour flounder the more UKIP grow, its how the SNP took over Scotland and if they dont pull their socks up we could end up having Farage as PM
He'd have to get elected as an MP first, something he has failed dismally atThing is the more labour flounder the more UKIP grow, its how the SNP took over Scotland and if they dont pull their socks up we could end up having Farage as PM
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UK unemployment is pretty much as low as it can go, I fail to see how "uncontrolled immigration" and "red tape" is destroying jobs? Anyone? Some people want a return to the 1970s with a falling population and 3 day week
Leavers got all excited about James Dyson coming out for Brexit but his main argument was he wanted to relax non-EU migration. All his overpriced products are made in the Far-East now so why is he giving lectures on British exports?
The Times has backed remain and rumoured the Mail on Sunday will. Even Jeremy Clarkson and James May are campaigning for remain today, that's got to have a few of you conflicted
From the opinion polls:
* 2/3rds of leavers want the Norway option with single market access = Paying into the EU and freedom of movement
* 2/3rds of leavers still refuse to accept that (even with the downsides) immigration of workers boosts the economy
Hard not to conclude that a lot of leavers don't know what they're voting for, it's just a protest that they don't have a nicer wife/car/house/TV and it's all the EU's fault...
Yes there are specific areas where leaving the EU might help but it's nowhere near worth throwing half our economy up in the air and hoping it lands in one piece.
If we do leave there's no way Boris et al can possibly deliver on what they've promised so public trust in politicians will sink even lower.
^^^ThisUK unemployment is pretty much as low as it can go, I fail to see how "uncontrolled immigration" and "red tape" is destroying jobs? Anyone? Some people want a return to the 1970s with a falling population and 3 day week
Leavers got all excited about James Dyson coming out for Brexit but his main argument was he wanted to relax non-EU migration. All his overpriced products are made in the Far-East now so why is he giving lectures on British exports?
The Times has backed remain and rumoured the Mail on Sunday will. Even Jeremy Clarkson and James May are campaigning for remain today, that's got to have a few of you conflicted
From the opinion polls:
* 2/3rds of leavers want the Norway option with single market access = Paying into the EU and freedom of movement
* 2/3rds of leavers still refuse to accept that (even with the downsides) immigration of workers boosts the economy
Hard not to conclude that a lot of leavers don't know what they're voting for, it's just a protest that they don't have a nicer wife/car/house/TV and it's all the EU's fault...
Yes there are specific areas where leaving the EU might help but it's nowhere near worth throwing half our economy up in the air and hoping it lands in one piece.
If we do leave there's no way Boris et al can possibly deliver on what they've promised so public trust in politicians will sink even lower.
The leave campaign are making promises that they know they cannot keep. Flippant attitudes claiming Britain would still have access to the single market without contributing are lies at best. Sure the EU would want to trade with Britain, but in a manner that it considers fair to its member states. They wouldn't care nameplate Britain being able to effectively undercut their own members by the very method that Britain does not contribute to the pot.
Also the claim that we would take back control of the borders was ripped apart by Alistair Campbell last night. We would still maintain the "Common travel area" of UK and Ireland, but the Republic of Ireland is an EU Member State. All a migrant would need to do is fly in to Dublin, then they would be free to travel anywhere in the UK. This would be a gaping hole in the security that Brexit promises to provide.
Here's quite a good article about the European "British Question"
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/1...6.2015.1044425
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All I hear is 'EU migrants are crippling this country' even though for 2014 we let in more non EU migrants. Therefore even if we bring in tighter borders the chances are the same amount of people will still come in from the EU
You watch its will be "to close to call" even if out vote wins by say 5% as its pretty much split. Roll on the "Wrong question at the wrong time" routine from the 70s
Isnt it right though that no matter what the outcome the Government can do the opposite?
Shooting of an MP in the street by an apparent far-right nut job puts things in perspectiveReminder than politics isn't just old men in Westminster shouting at each other.
Argument is getting out of hand nowShooting of an MP in the street by an apparent far-right nut job puts things in perspective
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Shooting of an MP in the street by an apparent far-right nut job puts things in perspective
genuinely feel bad for that jo , no one deserves to be attacked like that, what kind of ****wit would stab a mother over her saying it's a bad idea to leave the EU.
unfortunately she just died, so now we literally have people dying over if we should leave or not.
I know nut jobs are nut jobs, but to shoot a women 3 times, then ****ing stab them is just out of this world.
had a discussion with my boss earlier, mid sixties woman, her words were "we should leave because we can just trade with the rest of the world and be a great nation once more "
Was she stabbed because of her views or was the guy a nutter?
Reports the guy that shot her shouted 'Britain First'. I think it's probably a combination of both.
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