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    oooo. Cynicism. Thats more like it

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    Nice to see not a lot has changed that much since I was last here

    Hmmm. A thought occurs. New thread on the way...

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    I still see lots of folk having hissy fits on social media ect blaming the press, media, corbyn lies and stupid voters for bringing in Boris for another 5 years.
    Had it ever occurred to them that it might actually be their fault, or at least partially?

    There was a lot of toxic posting going round before the big day, folk were being bullied left right and centre if they even smelled of blue. I even had it at work although the individuals declined my offer to "discuss it" out the back where its darker.
    Not one of them seems to realises that bullying, shouting, taking the piss, calling your peers scum and blasting abuse at the top of there pathetic little voices is a REALLY GOOD WAY to get people on your side. I mean... really what a shower of stupid ****ing saps.

    Well done, turned me right off to the idea of voting for anyone else.
    Its really easy to be hard as buggery when on the other side of a keyboard, think before you type.

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    Do what are we going to do about that other unelected body of people that block the commons motions purely in their best interests?

    The House of Lords?

    Iím being serious

    I agree that the EU should not dictate to us. But Much of our country voted in a party who by principle wouldnít represent us.

    Shouldnít it say something about Farage, he has stood for Election 7 times and failed 7 times.

    I was a remainer. Yes the EU has a lot of faults. But I am happy to accept Brexit, if we do it the right way. I fear we have lost ground because Teresa May was inept as much as Cameron was a coward. I pray he doesnít come out with his memoirs - who the hell puts David Davis responsible for EU negotiations, the guy is useless.

    We arenít under that many laws by the EU by percentage, my bug bear is the European Court of Human rights which we have to sign up to. There are people who should not be released from prison but are being released because it is against their human rights to keep them locked up - example, Jon Venables the real ringleader of the Jame Bulger murder, we paid to have his identity kept secret after he was released because ECHR and then he gets caught with nasty child porn. He should never be released!

    But I have digressed.

    To put my money where my mouth is, I wasnít sure until I crossed the ballot paper, but I voted conservative. I couldnít vote for Corbyn, Swindon will probably be the death of the Lib Demís because she was useless, probably only reached out to students who are usually on drugs most of the time. The Greens are just tree hugging and have no other policies. For me just left one answer. And Boris May come across as a blithering idiot some of the time, but he was educated at Oxford and he didnít do too badly in London as Mayor.

    Iím happy with the result. Now letís get Brexit done but letís do it properly. Sounds like we have the EU president on the back foot now


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    Quote Originally Posted by sideways14a View Post
    I still see lots of folk having hissy fits on social media ect blaming the press, media, corbyn lies and stupid voters for bringing in Boris for another 5 years.
    Had it ever occurred to them that it might actually be their fault, or at least partially?

    There was a lot of toxic posting going round before the big day, folk were being bullied left right and centre if they even smelled of blue. I even had it at work although the individuals declined my offer to "discuss it" out the back where its darker.
    Not one of them seems to realises that bullying, shouting, taking the piss, calling your peers scum and blasting abuse at the top of there pathetic little voices is a REALLY GOOD WAY to get people on your side. I mean... really what a shower of stupid ****ing saps.

    Well done, turned me right off to the idea of voting for anyone else.
    Its really easy to be hard as buggery when on the other side of a keyboard, think before you type.
    Of course it was the press fault.

    However Corbyn being a Socialist will always have a wall up between him and the Jewish community and that has hurt the Labour Party. I wonít go into the history of it, it has been going on since ďTime beganĒ

    Corbyn is against capitalism much like the National Socialist Party were, he just isnít as extreme.

    The Lib Demís were just pro Europe through ideology, because that is how they could appeal to their core voters (Students) who have no real world experience.

    I voted conservative because through my lifetime, the Labour Party have twice bankrupted this country and a conservative government have had to fix the countryís finances. Iím still not sure about Brexit, but it will probably be better in the long term than Corbyn spending heavily to buy voters. Because at the end of the day, that all politicians want.... Power. Just look at the Fish Woman (Sturgeon) she is even copyin Merkelís hairstyle


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    Oh well needs must, letís have a croup hug


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    Quote Originally Posted by Asht_200 View Post
    Shouldn’t it say something about Farage, he has stood for Election 7 times and failed 7 times.
    He's a spent force as far as things go in this country, his party only managed marginally more votes than the BNP did back in their heyday.
    I hope the Torys didn't actually cut a deal with him prior to the election, clearly they didn't require any help whatsoever.

    One amusing result, the entire UKIP party brought in less votes than the speaker Lindsay Hoyle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonatLarge View Post
    Our prime minister asked the people for a mandate for Brexit, we gave him a majority of 80 seats.
    Im sorry, I thought we just had a General Election rather than a second EU referendum, did I miss something? If it was just about Brexit why not just do the second ref and be done with it?
    Id also add that Boris and JRM each voted against Mays deal when it was offered up to them, but they are apparently different from the other MPs that voted against it as they are "Brexiteers" so cant be wrong.

    There arent any bots here either mate, unless of course you are one yourself? I also notice that Boris has now agreed to release the findings of the report into Russian interference, why couldnt he have done that 2 weeks ago?

    Im happy to accept the result and see where we go from here but youve got to tell the whole story, not just the bit that suits your claims. There was a vast amount of misinformation, avoiding questions and downright lying on the part of the Tory party - where you say the globalist left is on its last legs Im considerably more concerned that what small amount of integrity and requirement to justify themselves to the voter our politicians had has now gone, possibly forever.
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    Alex I wouldnít waste your breath. Iíve given up trying to be respectful because the chap doesnít want to have a reasoned discussion. Iím so tired of every line containing Ďremainer snowflakeí.

    Mark today as phase 1 of the new ĎNo Dealí approach. The government introducing wholly unnecessary legislation to effectively guarantee a no deal exit, hurriedly added to the bill to now pass thru parliament with zero scrutiny thanks to this mind boggling majority.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50818134

    The leave voters will say Ďitís all in the tacticsí and Ďthis is how you negotiateí but neglect to recognise that we have come to a deal already. Twice.

    And a deal isnít what the Johnson regime seeks. So itís been shot to pieces.

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    Well that was a relief...
    All of the social media campaigning by various corners... some supported aggresively by friends and family....must feel slightly bemused now.

    Honestly I think this is the best outcome right now. Less dithering

    GET BREXIT DONE....

    and finally, as my dear uncle would say....

    Better dead than red!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asht_200 View Post
    ... And Boris May come across as a blithering idiot some of the time, ...
    Its Theresa May or Boris Johnson, mate. Different prime ministers

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    Quote Originally Posted by pb63 View Post
    Honestly I think this is the best outcome right now. Less dithering

    GET BREXIT DONE....
    Serious question, are you aware how pre-programmed that sounds? I promise you I’m not in anyway condescending you, it’s just a very particular set of words.

    Can I ask you why you think getting Brexit done, whatever that means, is good for you? I do mean you, I don’t mean the UK. I just haven’t found a single person as best I can remember who can put their finger on why it’s a good thing for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by piman2k View Post
    Serious question, are you aware how pre-programmed that sounds? I promise you Iím not in anyway condescending you, itís just a very particular set of words.

    Can I ask you why you think getting Brexit done, whatever that means, is good for you? I do mean you, I donít mean the UK. I just havenít found a single person as best I can remember who can put their finger on why itís a good thing for them.
    It's good because we were going nowhere. At least now there is the ability to get some traction and start getting on with what this country originally voted for. And it appears voted for again!! Business needs confidence which comes from certainty. We have a bit more of that now... That's good for me, you, this country.

    There's been a lot of re-moaning, threats of holding another referendum, when in reality the people of this country want brexit more than ever. People are fed up with it all and fed up with the politicians (both in this country and in Europe) trying to frustrate the will of the people. That's why we we've had this massive conservative majority I do believe. Lots of propaganda from the left based puff.

    It's good for all of us as we can come together and move on. Its not going to be an easy ride in the short term, but we are in charge of our own destiny...so might as well accept it and get on with it.

    That's good for everyone isn't it? Better than this fractioned society we've been living in for the past 3 years. Or will the remoaners insist we need to vote again???

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    Quote Originally Posted by pb63 View Post
    It's good because we were going nowhere. At least now there is the ability to get some traction and start getting on with what this country originally voted for. And it appears voted for again!! Business needs confidence which comes from certainty. We have a bit more of that now... That's good for me, you, this country.

    There's been a lot of re-moaning, threats of holding another referendum, when in reality the people of this country want brexit more than ever. People are fed up with it all and fed up with the politicians (both in this country and in Europe) trying to frustrate the will of the people. That's why we we've had this massive conservative majority I do believe. Lots of propaganda from the left based puff.

    It's good for all of us as we can come together and move on. Its not going to be an easy ride in the short term, but we are in charge of our own destiny...so might as well accept it and get on with it.

    That's good for everyone isn't it? Better than this fractioned society we've been living in for the past 3 years. Or will the remoaners insist we need to vote again???
    Piman2k

    He is right. We were going nowhere.

    Leon has an issue with democracy because MPs voted against the deals etc, but it is an MPís duty to represent their constituents. Yes many of them didnít and represented their ideology, but 48% of the country voted remain. And the deals presented were not what was promised by the leave campaign (not pay in to the EU coffers and get all the benefits of the single market) Australia isnít a part of the single market but their dairy industry is being affected by EU quotas. We import most of our food, we import most of our energy. Are the poorest supposed to starve or freeze?

    The 48% who voted remain do not have to accept the result when our voted in politicians are doing a right Royal f**k up sorting it out


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    Will you stop using ‘remoaner’ please. It’s remain voter, remain supporter or Remainer if you must.

    He hasn’t answered my question Ash. All that he’s done is answer what makes it better based around the state of the nation of the past 3 years.

    I though my question was clear, what’s the benefit of Brexit from the context of before the referendum had happened and before the 3.5 years of negotiations, when we were just people. What about Brexit makes someone’s life better from that position? Personally and applicable to their day to day life. Does something get cheaper? Does their job get them a payrise?

    That is my question.

    ‘Its not going to be an easy ride in the short term’. It won’t be short term. And why was it so bad before?

    ‘Come together and move on’. If I lose my job because of Brexit, will you come together and help me with my mortgage? Will your Brexit government?

    ‘Control of our own destiny’. Jesus wept.

    ‘Will of the people’. Will of 52% of the electorate representing around 25% of the population.

    Honestly, it’s all sound bites. Day in, day out. Sound bites.

    I just want an honest, media free, sound bite free, PR free answer to a god damn simple question.
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    Remoaner is the term used to describe people (like Cameron) who wanted a referendum on our membership of the EU as a means of guaranteeing our closer integration into the EU then moan about the result when it didn't go the way they thought it would.

    When I voted for the UK to come out of the EU, I hoped that the government would respect the vote, bring us out of the EU, rebuild our manufacturing, construction and food production industries to make us more self sufficient as well as helping promote innovation and tech.

    I thought it would be a good idea for the British government to be more in control of its laws, policies, economy and workforce. I thought that would make the UK a better place for me to live.

    Over the last 3 years, the British politicians have shown themselves to be incompetent at best and self-serving Eurocrats in all probability.

    Combine that with the government allowing HMRC to kill the contract industry and I'm seriously (and I do mean properly investigating) the practicalities of leaving the UK for Europe (and yes, as a Brit with no links to mainland Europe, I'll still be able to go and live in Europe after Brexit).

    I'm not anti-Europe. I'm against globalism, bureaucracy and unelected ex-politicians and civil servants who feather their own nests at the expense of the average tax payer.

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    No, remoaner is the derogatory name developed by Brexit supporters for anyone that simply doesn’t sit down and accept the shit show. I’m not going to sit and be called this here if this is supposed to be an informed and reasonable discussion.

    I can’t address the rest of your post myself because it’s all hope. Nothing hard or factual which is where we differ and probably why it’s very difficult for me to understand.

    Still, in your case, I can almost understand. But what made your life better?

    Hang on, when you say British politicians have been self serving? How? They got a deal arranged with the EU. Twice. Our current PM voted the first of those deals down THREE times. The second he got through to second reading before tearing it up. Our Parliament was holding the government to account. It’s not self serving to want to work tirelessly to avoid a no deal, which everyone has said would be terrible. I don’t see the self serving statement as valid unless you are talking about Johnson himself and his aspirations for power over the best interests of his country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny Wilkinson View Post
    Remoaner is the term used to describe people (like Cameron) who wanted a referendum on our membership of the EU as a means of guaranteeing our closer integration into the EU then moan about the result when it didn't go the way they thought it would.

    When I voted for the UK to come out of the EU, I hoped that the government would respect the vote, bring us out of the EU, rebuild our manufacturing, construction and food production industries to make us more self sufficient as well as helping promote innovation and tech.

    I thought it would be a good idea for the British government to be more in control of its laws, policies, economy and workforce. I thought that would make the UK a better place for me to live.

    Over the last 3 years, the British politicians have shown themselves to be incompetent at best and self-serving Eurocrats in all probability.

    Combine that with the government allowing HMRC to kill the contract industry and I'm seriously (and I do mean properly investigating) the practicalities of leaving the UK for Europe (and yes, as a Brit with no links to mainland Europe, I'll still be able to go and live in Europe after Brexit).

    I'm not anti-Europe. I'm against globalism, bureaucracy and unelected ex-politicians and civil servants who feather their own nests at the expense of the average tax payer.
    You have to remember that the Government has such a small majority there was no hope in hell they would get a good deal that ďParliament - itís not just government that has to agreeĒ would never agree to.

    Cameron wasnít just a remoaner, he was a coward. And even after the referendum went the wrong way, they had no plan to deal with it and it was dumped on Teresa May. She had a poisoned chalice being the next PM. Boris doesnít have much better.

    Just remember, 48% people voted remain.... 48% voted Tory and they got a 78 seat Majority. It goes to show how screwed up our electoral system is, even if it isnít as bad as the US


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny Wilkinson View Post
    Remoaner is the term used to describe people (like Cameron) who wanted a referendum on our membership of the EU as a means of guaranteeing our closer integration into the EU then moan about the result when it didn't go the way they thought it would.

    When I voted for the UK to come out of the EU, I hoped that the government would respect the vote, bring us out of the EU, rebuild our manufacturing, construction and food production industries to make us more self sufficient as well as helping promote innovation and tech.

    I thought it would be a good idea for the British government to be more in control of its laws, policies, economy and workforce. I thought that would make the UK a better place for me to live.

    Over the last 3 years, the British politicians have shown themselves to be incompetent at best and self-serving Eurocrats in all probability.

    Combine that with the government allowing HMRC to kill the contract industry and I'm seriously (and I do mean properly investigating) the practicalities of leaving the UK for Europe (and yes, as a Brit with no links to mainland Europe, I'll still be able to go and live in Europe after Brexit).

    I'm not anti-Europe. I'm against globalism, bureaucracy and unelected ex-politicians and civil servants who feather their own nests at the expense of the average tax payer.
    But the UK was in control of over 90% of itís laws. You are against globalisation but in favour of a capitalist contract market, itís kinda hypocritical if you donít mind me saying

    Iíve done my research. You go live in Europe, you wonít get your stamp for the state pension. I said before, if you want to get rid of unelected ex politicians, the House of Lords is your first stop. Baroness Warsi. What the hell did she do as a politician? Nothing!!!


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