In that case we have to hope this drags on long enough for a new government with a different position to get in.Originally Posted by Asht_200
It's also not clear on what each leave person actually wants as in single market etc.
In that case we have to hope this drags on long enough for a new government with a different position to get in.
It's also not clear on what each leave person actually wants as in single market etc.
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they just need to get the ball rolling on us leaving, we've had the vote, I bet there wouldn't be a second referendum if the 'stay' patty had won.
start off the process, figure out how to leave and the best deals we can, get it over with so the country can move on
yes but you wouldn't need to put a second deal to the public would you if remain had won. They are not suggesting another In/Out referendum, but one to accept the deal that is reached.
so you are suggesting they submit article 50 and put themselves in a useless negotiating position before they have agreed a deal to access the single market?
there is leaving with a good deal or leaving at any cost, and to the vast majority the good deal bit is more important and that takes times.
2004 - on : 1999 S14a 398bhp 378lb/ft
2010 - on : 2007 RX8 PZ
1998 - 2004 : 1991 S13
The real problem is that it would still involve making payments to the EU, accepting EU legislation on production/trade/H+S etc. and would probably have some element of freedom of movement as well.
Which were the 3 main things that the "leave" vote was all about. I havent, and wont call anyone racist or bigoted or even stupid, but I realised this about 10 minutes after the referendum had been announced, youre either totally out or youre still in, just under shittier terms. What a fcuk up.
I get the feeling that this would only work if we could pursuade Ernest Borgnine to drive the Isle of Wight to Portsmouth hovercraft.
Want access to the EFTA/EEA and no free movement of labour - try the the Liechtenstein solution! :-)
http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86122
aah... double post....
Which sums up the frustration that me and a lot of others suffer...people could just not see the blindingly obvious and got caught up in the leave lies.
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I still think Boris is living in cloud cuckoo land. Suggesting that Britons would still be able to work and reside in EU countries, but EU Citizens would not have the same rights to the UK. It has been said that more has been wiped off the value of the UK Stock Market - where our pensions are invested in than the UK has contributed to the EU in it's entire history as a member.
But we must all get on with it. This time in September we could have Jeremy Hunt as PM, the man generally labelled as the destroyer of the NHS, now with his eyes on bigger stuff to screw up
I can forsee a long stand off with Article 50 not being served and EU refusing to negotiate.
2004 - on : 1999 S14a 398bhp 378lb/ft
2010 - on : 2007 RX8 PZ
1998 - 2004 : 1991 S13
Wurzel has just lost his no confidence vote, only 40 backed him.
Refusing to resign? Bet he is gone by tomorrow.
Now THAT is interesting, will read properly later. Do you think it could just be that 98% of the European Commission have "investments" in Liechtenstein though?
I get the feeling that this would only work if we could pursuade Ernest Borgnine to drive the Isle of Wight to Portsmouth hovercraft.
All this "negotiating a good exit deal" bollox demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the situation. The pre50 negotiations will amount to the Brit negotiators and the German negotiators grabbing each others test tickles and saying "now, we're not going to hurt one another are we ?" and we'll put farage in his box and the Germans will gag the Dutch pm and 50 will be issued and they'll start working out how to untangle the mess.
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Oh, and nobody is going to agree for us to have a deal like any other "on the cusp" country either.
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Would not surprise me in the slightest.. It does seem odd that the mainstream media don't know or aren't talking about it. I'm tempted to tweet it to Andrew Neil or Andrew Marr and see if they pick it up. Edit - have just tweeted them. No idea how to tell if anything happens though....Now THAT is interesting, will read properly later. Do you think it could just be that 98% of the European Commission have "investments" in Liechtenstein though?
I have seen articles (non-UK sites) talking about India being keen to do a deal and Oz/NZ as well. It's almost as if they decided on the Brexit all bad (I know there is bad to it) so any potential positives get brushed aside.
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Yes I am going to put that on FB, the Liechtenstein solution is a worth exploring.
2004 - on : 1999 S14a 398bhp 378lb/ft
2010 - on : 2007 RX8 PZ
1998 - 2004 : 1991 S13
Membership of tiny states like Liechtenstein are totally irrelevant.
The EU has 596 trade negotiators, the UK has about 20: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36651829
An EU-India trade deal has taken 9 years of work and still not signed. Australia does far more trade with the EU than us, a deal with the EU would be their priority:
http://theconversation.com/post-brex...-with-eu-61676
Might be the new year and post-election before Art 50 is triggered. So many unknowns, no wonder at least a small recession is predicted.
Oops
How is it irrelevant? If you agree an EU Law the size of the country does not matter?
2004 - on : 1999 S14a 398bhp 378lb/ft
2010 - on : 2007 RX8 PZ
1998 - 2004 : 1991 S13
Need to revise this actually as now read The EEA Agreement 14.10.2014
Turns out Single Market including Bank Passporting is controlled by the EEA Agreement, not being a member of the EU or Eurozone... not going to put the whole lot here as there is a lot: but you can read it here
http://www.efta.int/media/documents/...Aagreement.pdf
So if we sign up to the EEA....
PART I
OBJECTIVES AND PRINCIPLES
Article 1
2. In order to attain the objectives set out in paragraph 1, the association shall entail, in accordance with the provisions
of this Agreement :
(a) the free movement of goods;
(b) the free movement of persons;
(c) the free movement of services;
(d) the free movement of capital;
(e) the setting up of a system ensuring that competition is not distorted and that the rules thereon are equally
respected; as well as
(f) closer cooperation in other fields, such as research and development, the environment, education and social
policy.
PART III
FREE MOVEMENT OF PERSONS
SERVICES AND CAPITAL
CHAPTER 1
WORKERS AND SELF-EMPLOYED PERSONS
Article 28
1. Freedom of movement for workers shall be secured among EC Member States and EFTA States.
2. Such freedom of movement shall entail the abolition of any discrimination based on nationality between workers of
EC Member States and EFTA States as regards employment, remuneration and other conditions of work and
employment.
3. It shall entail the right, subject to limitations justified on grounds of public policy, public security or public health:
(a) to accept offers of employment actually made;
(b) to move freely within the territory of EC Member States and EFTA States for this purpose;
(c) to stay in the territory of an EC Member State or an EFTA State for the purpose of employment in
accordance with the provisions governing the employment of nationals of that State laid down by law,
regulation or administrative action;
(d) to remain in the territory of an EC Member State or an EFTA State after having been employed there.
4. The provisions of this Article shall not apply to employment in the public service.
5. Annex V contains specific provisions on the free movement of workers.
What is the EEA Not?
The EEA Agreement does not cover the following EU policies:
Common Agriculture and Fisheries Policies (although the Agreement contains provisions on various aspects of trade in agricultural and fish products);
Customs Union;
Common Trade Policy;
Common Foreign and Security Policy;
Justice and Home Affairs (even though the EFTA countries are part of the Schengen area); or
Monetary Union (EMU).
The Lichtenstein agreement is quite an interesting read and is laid out in Annex VIII
http://www.efta.int/media/documents/...ent/annex8.pdf
Incidentally, Belgium and the Netherlands have a higher population density than we do
Now here is what I found interesting:
That last section should have been adequate protection for "Health Tourism" which has been criticised in the past.
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