The second problem they refer to (cars use 50 per cent more fuel than laboratory tests show) is not the same issue VW are being taken to town over.
What VW/Audi etc are in for is the fact that you could never ever achieve the same results when in normal driving compared to when on the dyno - i.e. even at the same speed and load condition NOx emissions were up to 40x over the legal limit. Whereas the second problem referred to in the article is purely a function of the test process.
There are a lot of loopholes in the test process that mean the engine does not have to work as hard on the dyno as it does on the road to follow a speed profile. If these loopholes were closed then the results would be more representative.
That doesn't make this an "industry wide issue" because pretty much all other OEMs conform in so much as you can get the car to achieve the same emissions on the road if the same speed/load conditions are met whether it's on the road or on the dyno.
VW have cheated the system in an attempt to break into the US market without using SCR/AdBlue in their cars in an attempt to make their products sound cleaner than the competition and to save a considerable chunk off the price of the car at point of manufacture. I cannot believe they thought they would get away with this forever, and at the same time I cannot believe it has taken them this long to get found out.
Agree with the last two points made by zeppelin, surprised me as well!
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How often do you need to refill the Urea tank?
Could you simply piss in it to fill it up?
It's usually derived from Bovine products.
I thought it was pig piss?
Either way sooner or later someone is going to take a piss into their Adblue tank to see what happens.
IIRC Adblue is 30% pure Urea in distilled water.
Human wee is about 10%, with a ton of other bits and bobs in.
but it's still only being injected into the exhaust.
Every time I've seen a newish diesel engined VAG car recently I've pointed and gone [NELSON]HA ha, HA ha, HA ha[/NELSON]
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Proud owner of a Passat cc hereno idea if it's affected or not, can't say I give a shit really
Waiting for skoda and seat to make press releases
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Won't be such big news... they aren't sold in the USOriginally Posted by Chriscooke
Waiting for skoda and seat to make press releases
It will though because the German regulators are threatening to pull type approval if they can't prove compliance by the 7th October. That's for the whole group, any car using the spec of engine that has been fitted with the software cheat.
They should have the book thrown at them.
How many folk must have known about this before now? Cant be a small figure surely.
Like that will happen. The Krauts will protect their biggest industry
They might have been supported by the government til now but VAG have single handedly helped to lay waste to a reputation that has taken the country more than 30 years to build up globally. This isn't just about the auto industry now, it's about the wider impact to German business and engineering and the assumed quality that has gone with it.
If one VW/Audi = 40 other Diesel cars that do comply it would explain why the UK can't meet the EU NOx levels.
I think VW should pay the UK's EU fine for not meeting the NOx targets.
So will those cities that are about tax Diesels simply ban affected VW/Audi?
Or will they have a 40x higher tax?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...reen-fuel.html
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-10307783.html
Smelly old diesels turn out smoke-haze shocker !
This has to be the non-story of the year.
It's an interesting point, and now the story has broken and it's common knowledge they have ****-all chance of doing anything like that because the public are just going to point fingers at VAG and say it's all their fault.
Something everyone except the morons in charge knew already.Smelly old diesels turn out smoke-haze shocker !
This has to be the non-story of the year.
True - but I wonder how people will really react. It has always been known that Diesel is a filthy fuel, yet car companies have successfully marketed it as a "cleaner" alternative to petrol.
And also the Germans have been able to successfully market themselves as supreme quality and reliability when in reality they are not.
I dont think anyone has really pushed the 'cleaner' aspect of diesel but its been more about the economy and most having twice the mpg and similar performance of the equivalent size petrol engine. Now though we are moving into the age of smaller forced induction petrol engines that produce diesel like MPG so we are seeing the switch to those.
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