New car time - Golf R32 Mk5 advice?

[Actual_Ben_Taylor]

Guy I used to work with bought a cheap 996.

How I used to laugh at his never ending tales of expensive repair bills

[arry]

What could possibly go wrong?

No literally, what could actually genuinely go wrong?!

[Actual_Ben_Taylor]

Something about 1000 quid to replace some bushes IIRC

[arry]

Something about 1000 quid to replace some bushes IIRC

Ah. Me mate Dave in his back street garage can do it for free-fiddy

[Mark]

70k cars have 70k car repair and servicing bills no matter how cheap they get to buy

[sideways14a]

I recon arry should look through the shed thread for a car, loads of high performance super cars in there for reasonable moneys.

[Scottie]

70k cars have 70k car repair and servicing bills no matter how cheap they get to buy

Hmm not sure i fully agree with this. As they get older you can use specialists and not Porsche for parts. Yes a little more but not mayeb a lot. Friends looks after another friends Bentely 6.0 litre W12 on a 55 plate with 100k miles that he got for £21k, and parts not too bad for a 100k car. Lamda sensor was £55, two new brake callipers with built in electronic handbrakes £300 each, so not catastrophic.

Arry, have a look on the Hartech Website, although based in Bolton they are UK renowned and have free buyign guides and lots fo useful info on their site re 911.

You might pay a little extra in maintenance, but you don't need to modify or tune them and depreciation or lack of it is good If you can stretch to a 3.6 c2 manual that has the facelift and many issues addressed.

[arry]

Thanks Scottie - I'd like to stretch budget for that but I'm already out of budget range with what I'm planning to spend lol. It's jumped from 7k to 13k unchecked so far. I think wifey will put the Brembos on at 15k plus

[Jonny Wilkinson]

70k cars have 70k car repair and servicing bills no matter how cheap they get to buy

Parts for the Jag have turned out to be surprisingly reasonable (and a bloody sight cheaper than the S13) but a lot of the car is twatty to work on so labour bills tend to be higher if you can't fix it yourself (e.g. don't have the special tools).

[Mark]

Bentely 6.0 litre W12 on a 55 plate with 100k miles that he got for £21k, and parts not too bad for a 100k car. Lamda sensor was £55, two new brake callipers with built in electronic handbrakes £300 each, so not catastrophic.

A) Bentleys probably use a lot of VW parts
B) Lambdas are generic parts
C) £600 for a pair of rear calipers is catastrophic if you take into account the same part for your average £30k car is around £100 each.

You can pick a 2000 S class up for £6k but it wont cost the same to run as a Golf or Focus

[Scottie]

They are not like for like callipers though so that is a bad example.

The point is just because a car is 70k new does not mean running costs will be ruinious. Yes some parts might be a little more, but at the end of the day you are still buying Mintex discs or whatever.

For example, the Merc my other half now has was 40k new, and yet the pads and discs were marginally cheaper to replace than on a 15k new Focus. A Merc calliper was £90.

[zeppelin101]

They are not like for like callipers though so that is a bad example.

The point is just because a car is 70k new does not mean running costs will be ruinious. Yes some parts might be a little more, but at the end of the day you are still buying Mintex discs or whatever.

For example, the Merc my other half now has was 40k new, and yet the pads and discs were marginally cheaper to replace than on a 15k new Focus. A Merc calliper was £90.

The Merc at that price point will have a different design requirement for parts and servicing compared to the likes of a Bentley.

It isn't quite so clear cut that a car that costs £X in the first place shall have running costs of a particular magnitude.

[Jonny Wilkinson]

They are not like for like callipers though so that is a bad example.

The point is just because a car is 70k new does not mean running costs will be ruinious. Yes some parts might be a little more, but at the end of the day you are still buying Mintex discs or whatever.

For example, the Merc my other half now has was 40k new, and yet the pads and discs were marginally cheaper to replace than on a 15k new Focus. A Merc calliper was £90.

I think Mark has a point as he is really referring to top-of-the-range cars built 10-15 years ago. They contain lots of not very well proven technology which is componentised, hard to diagnose and expensive to replace.

Those sort of car are also fairly well used by now and anything hovering round the 100K mile mark is going to be reaching what the manufacturer considered to be "end of life".

Quite why I am driving round in a 100K mile, £2K Jag that cost 70K 15 years ago is beyond me

[Jonny Wilkinson]

Arry, I know you've turned your nose up at an Alfa but did you know you can get a 7-yr-old JTS Q4 Brera with 35K on the clock for less than 10K.

The Q4 has the 3.2 V6 in it too

[Zornyan]

But then scottie look at e46 m3 running costs. Expensive servicing. Various parts that can cost large amounts when they fail, and
Also whilst pattern parts may be cheaper, they also don't last as long, and as I've found out with my bmw and the other halfs audi, most of the stuff we buy has to come from dealers, things like sensors etc aren't worth the money for copies.

Hell I bought some bonnet struts for the e36 from euros, long and behold they don't fit correctly.

[Mark]

They are not like for like callipers though so that is a bad example.

Which proves my point exactly 100k car parts will generally be more technically advanced than a £30k car, hence they cost more when they go wrong. Service parts are all a muchness, i am talking when cars break, engine components, bits of trim, steering racks, hubs etc etc.

[sideways14a]

Plenty of "expensive" cars that break a lot and have less reliable parts out there, cough RangeRover... cough... Aston's of various vintages... cough...

[Scottie]

It isn't quite so clear cut that a car that costs £X in the first place shall have running costs of a particular magnitude.

That's what I was trying to say but put better.

You need to judge each potential purchase on it's own basis rather than just a £Xk car costs £Yk to run.

[Zornyan]

Yes but there's also a general rule of thumb. Regardless of rare cases, owning a premium or rare care will cost plenty more on a year by year basis that a focus or golf.

Even if their reliable cars, parts will still he hugely more, and like I said before, most of these cars aren't easy to work on yourself. Like said friend with an evo 6, he's mechanically minded but couldn't do the clutch do to having to drop the front subframe, the part was 700ish iirc, most places wanted 8-1000 labour due to the size of the job.

I would and have happily done the clutch on my e36 and 200s and old ford's when I started driving. But like **** would I be willing to do that. And if you drive enthusiastically it's not something that only needs doing once.

[arry]

Anyway - heart decision at the moment = 2 Porsche models and the 6 series. Head = Evo8 and 335i

I think I gonna buy a Porsche. Shit the bed