possible resurection of my 200sx with a difference!

[slider200]

hey guys,

well been awhile since i've posted about my s14 but i may be getting it back on the road this year.

i have some rather nice 18x9 and 18x12 work vs-mx and have found a company that are willing to do a transplant for a new heart and basically want people's opinion on the proposed plan, at this point i'm not mentioning who's carrying out the possible transplant just peoples thoughts on the proposed engine.

here goes, they are trying to fit a 4 cylinder b204 engine from a saab, as far as i know this will be a first for a 200sx to recieve this engine, i also have the choice of a charger, turbo or both.
it will still use the 200sx box as they have a engine to gearbox plate already mocked up.

so guys whats your thoughts??

[itrhondaboy]

Gm 4 pot engine in an sx, will be a first! Go for it what's the worst that can happen, you have to put the old engine back in
I like different builds whether I like the engines or not it's cool to see people thinking outside the box

[Rattirowland]

be propper mate by the sounds, you got any wheel pics, maybe face lift the car too

[Rattirowland]

are saabs low pressure engines?

[slider200]

i'll dig up some pics after tea lol, apparently the b204 is a really strong engine, i believe its out of a 900 or 9000? theres also a 2.3 version, but apparently they are easily tuneable aswell as being very strong.

i'm really likeing the sound of asupercharger

[itrhondaboy]

i'll dig up some pics after tea lol, apparently the b204 is a really strong engine, i believe its out of a 900 or 9000? theres also a 2.3 version, but apparently they are easily tuneable aswell as being very strong.

i'm really likeing the sound of asupercharger

Is the 2.3 turbo what they fit to the 9-5

[slider200]

B204 & B234
A major redesign of the H engine came in 1990 in the form of the new B234 for the Saab 9000. The B234 featured an increase in stroke from 78 mm (3.1 in) to 90 mm (3.5 in), increasing the displacement to 2.3 liters. With this increased stroke also came a new engine block with increased deck height to make sufficient room for the increased stroke length without being forced to use shorter connecting rods, and in-block counter-rotating balance shafts for reduced vibration (NVH). Unlike the previous B202, the block was no longer angled, but straight, something that made it unsuitable for the 900 model with its gearbox under the engine, built into the engine oil sump. The longer stroke B234 was last produced in 1998, that being the last year for the 9000 model. The B234 was selected as one of Ward's 10 Best Engines for 1995 and 1996.

The B202 was still being produced in 1993, but for the new generation Saab 900 being released in 1994 a new 2.0L engine was required. This new engine, the B204, was based on the 9000's B234, but in order to make the engine fit in the 900 the engine had to be shortened. This meant that a new chain drive for the camshafts was required to reduce the length of the engine. The B204 engine was available with natural aspiration in 900, 9000 and 9-3 in the form of 2.0i (B204i), with a low pressure turbo in the form of 9000 and 9-3 2.0t (B204E) or Saab 900 and 9-3 2.0T (B204L). B204R was briefly available in the 1999 9-3 Aero (U.S. market 'SE') model. B204 was in production in the Saab 9-3 until 2000, when it was replaced by B205.


With the introduction of the OBDII compliant B204 (also coincidental with the introduction of Trionic T5.5) Saab embarked on a new concept they termed as "EcoPower" where engines were designed for high power output while also delivering exceptional economy and low environmental impact. [1]

Turbocharged engines used Garrett T25/GT17 turbochargers and the B234R (9000 Aero) used a Mitsubishi Heavy Industries TD04HL-15T-6.

The B204 and B234 are regarded by engine tuners as the preferable engine for performance tuning over the later B205 and B235 engines as the internals are of a higher strength. The later models had lightened internal components to improve efficiency and fuel economy but limit the total power output when the engine's software is revised to increase the boost pressures and specific power output.

Specifications Engine Torque Power Compression ratio Boost pressure
B204i: 177 N·m (131 lb·ft) @ 4300 rpm 130 hp (97 kW) @ 5500 rpm 10.1:1 -
B204E: 219 N·m (162 lb·ft) @ 3600 rpm 154 hp (115 kW) @ 5500 rpm 9.2:1 0.40 bar (5.8 psi)
B204L: 263 N·m (194 lb·ft) @ 2100 rpm 185 hp (138 kW) @ 5500 rpm 9.2:1 0.73 bar (10.6 psi)
B204R: 280 N·m (210 lb·ft) @ 2200 rpm 200 hp (150 kW) @ 5500 rpm 9.2:1 1.00 bar (14.5 psi)
B234i: 210 N·m (150 lb·ft) @ 4300 rpm 150 hp (110 kW) @ 5600 rpm 10.0:1 -
B234i: 210 N·m (150 lb·ft) @ 4300 rpm 150 hp (110 kW) @ 5600 rpm 10.5:1 -
B234E: 260 N·m (190 lb·ft) @ 2100 rpm 170 hp (130 kW) @ 5700 rpm 9.25:1 0.55 bar (8.0 psi)
B234L: 294 N·m (217 lb·ft) @ 1800 rpm 200 hp (150 kW) @ 5500 rpm 9.25:1 0.81 bar (11.7 psi)
B234R: 342 N·m (252 lb·ft) @ 1950 rpm 225 hp (168 kW) @ 5500 rpm 9.25:1 1.08 bar (15.7 psi)

Note: The primary difference between the B204L and the B204R is with the intercoolerand the wastegate 'base boost' setting.

[itrhondaboy]

a big quote.

Lol so no

[slider200]

Lol so no

was that what came up? or did you edit that???

[itrhondaboy]

was that what came up? or did you edit that???

No I edited it so it was that big post again lol

[cleanhands]

Good to see someone trying something different. They look to produce the numbers in Scandanavia, you may need to learn Swedish to tune it.

Thought the idea was to use an Omega gearbox though I gather they're marginal on torque.

Two engines I would like to see in an S-body are a screaming V8 as in RS4 or last M3, or a Focus/ TT RS 5 cylinder. Not sure what box for the 5s though.

[slider200]

lol fair enough thought posting that would save people finding info. find out the cost today

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[slider200]

also the engines are a lot cheaper than sr's :-)

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[s200rat]

http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.p...highlight=saab

might be worth pm'ing Jesus-Ninja, his project was slightly different and now on hold but still s-body / GM engined.

[FLEXXX]

Those Saab engines are strong use to have a 9000 once it got moving it was like a train but if you slowed down a touch it would need some more coal to power up again but should be fine in an s body as its lighter I would of gone for the Griffin 3.0v6 Turbo or the hpt versionp

[pads14]

tone stop messing around with random ideas, just chuck a stock sr20 in it and use the thing!! its nice to be different and have an epic car and all but wouldn't you prefer just to use it for a bit? 250 bhp sr would be fine for you and done on a easy budget mate. Then you can have some fun in it! x

[Mark]

Sorry dont get it ?? Yes its great to be different but at least be different and get something out of it. You are going to go to all that cost and effort and end up with something thats less powerful than when you started

The idea of engine swaps IMO is to get and easy jump in power without tuning the nuts off the standard lump, hence RB, JZ and V8s being the norm. To take one turbo 4 pot out and stick another in seems bizarre unless you are getting a much more tunable engine. You might as well chuck a Cossie lump in there

[-ghost-]

Sorry dont get it ?? Yes its great to be different but at least be different and get something out of it. You are going to go to all that cost and effort and end up with something thats less powerful than when you started

The idea of engine swaps IMO is to get and easy jump in power without tuning the nuts off the standard lump, hence RB, JZ and V8s being the norm. To take one turbo 4 pot out and stick another in seems bizarre unless you are getting a much more tunable engine. You might as well chuck a Cossie lump in there

This is what I thought

The only 4 pot i would put in is a 4G63 but that costs loads due to the amount of custom parts you need it would also need forging.

If you want to be different why not put a M3, m5, AMG V8, audi v8 or v10 engine in there

[docwra]

Sorry dont get it ?? Yes its great to be different but at least be different and get something out of it. You are going to go to all that cost and effort and end up with something thats less powerful than when you started

Would usually agree but the Saab lump is a pretty special one - loads of low down torque and 500hp+ internals. Other than a 4G its defintiely one to consider ........... except the pain, hassle and stress that will go with trying to make a FWD trans engine fit and work in an SX will not be worth it, even if you do enbd up with 500hp

[bahis]

Oh yes

There are lots of 600-900HP Saabs around here. Very strong engines.