£35k RS500 Cosworth

[ANDY black s13]

the rs200 is a legend and had a way better BDA type engine,(belt drive A series),the 200 used a bdg i think??,came in 2 forms 200ish bhp or 350 bhp clubman spec,martin sckanke in ex group b rs200 = AWESOMENESS!!,
can't do the linky thing doh,you tube martin sckanke goes bananas etc,over 600bhp iirc driven like it must be broken to win lol,the group b ban was sad but rallycross showed the world how fast the cars can be.
each race was a mix of top cars in a exspensive banger race.
of to you tube to view some automotive porn lol.
the £35k sierra looks silly now

[ANDY black s13]

well the engine series (yb/pinto etc) has been massively successful so id say they made a good choice and they won an awful lot with it, the escort cosworth was succesful at rallying, the sierra dominated touring cars, the mk1 + 2 escorts that i 'think' ran a pinto of some guise were extremely succesful.

if its 'just' a water pump then all the other engines must be awful

i can't deny the yb205 can make massive power,with enough cash thrown at it though,
and was fitted to many cars not just sierras years back(mk1 golf convertable still with 4x4 and a pug 205 i remember) and the race wins certainly helped sales and the iconic 'cossie 'status etc.
cant think of a pre 2k ford engine that was great tbh other than the YBs power capability,most have numerous probs in stock form alone just the 'cosssie' was easy power at the time,
and they fit in a mk1/2 escort easy peasy and go fecking well then
the £35k sierra dont strike me as a performance bargin thats all(rarity aside etc)

[skinz180189]

It would actually, I have little doubt, be one of the wisest investments in motoring I reckon. £35k 370z will be worth £10k 4-5 years later, £35k Ford RS500 will probably be still worth £20k

That's not really an investment, you've still lost money. It's just depreciated less.

[ANDY black s13]

and in these times of ressesion etc a sierra don't strike me as a good investment.thats reserved for ferrari 250gto's etc not an old ford sierra original gt40 rs200 yes but they are in a totally different league.
my rusty old datsun is so much more fun at £33k less i think and i don;t look apon it as any kind of investment lol

[arry]

That's not really an investment, you've still lost money. It's just depreciated less.

So you'd be financially better off buying the 370 then? It's not making you money but it's keeping your overheads lower than an equivalent priced car, which is, in my eyes, an investment. Appreciate that it's not an accruing investment ie money that creates money but lessening overheads is still improving your own financial top line.

and in these times of ressesion etc a sierra don't strike me as a good investment.thats reserved for ferrari 250gto's etc not an old ford sierra original gt40 rs200 yes but they are in a totally different league.
my rusty old datsun is so much more fun at £33k less i think and i don;t look apon it as any kind of investment lol

The kind of person that buys this car won't be the type of person that's after performance bang for buck, so I think you're safe to assume they won't be interested in a rusty Nissan.

[skinz180189]

So you'd be financially better off buying the 370 then? It's not making you money but it's keeping your overheads lower than an equivalent priced car, which is, in my eyes, an investment. Appreciate that it's not an accruing investment ie money that creates money but lessening overheads is still improving your own financial top line.

I'm not on about Ford vs Nissan. I'm saying the Ford isn't an investment in my eyes.

[The Big Yin]

I'm not on about Ford vs Nissan. I'm saying the Ford isn't an investment in my eyes.

Neither is Arry

What he is saying is the Ford is going to lose you LESS money in the long run over the Nissan

[arry]

Neither is Arry

What he is saying is the Ford is going to lose you LESS money in the long run over the Nissan

Spot on. I did say the best investment in motoring. Motoring never really tends to be an investment. Either way, it's just symantics.

[skinz180189]

I'm not disagreeing the Ford is probably a wiser purchase given the depreciation.

But like you say, motoring is rarely an investemnt, and I was saying that the case I quoted isn't an investment in my eyes. The only true motoring investments are a combination of rare, old, mint, and usually very expensive.

[The Big Yin]

I'm not disagreeing the Ford is probably a wiser purchase given the depreciation.

But like you say, motoring is rarely an investemnt, and I was saying that the case I quoted isn't an investment in my eyes. The only true motoring investments are a combination of rare, old, mint, and usually very expensive.

So something like the RS500 that I posted in the first post then.

Because that is not going to lose money. IN fact as the years go by it is going to be worth more.

[arry]

The only true motoring investments are a combination of rare, old, mint, and usually very expensive.

Or long term enough, of course. We'd not be speaking about this particular RS500 otherwise.

[skinz180189]

Am I missing something here, I thought the comparison between the 370Z and RS500 was the new RS500 mentioned later on in the first page, not the original Sierra in the OP.

[The Big Yin]

Yeah the new RS500

the sierra is not going to drop 15k in value

[skinz180189]

Yeah the new RS500

the sierra is not going to drop 15k in value

Exactly what I was thinking. It'll hold it's money, or gain. That is an investment.

I think you'd need to be very foresighted to invest in a Brand New Focus RS500, and keep it for 20/30 years with minimal mileage and in perfect condition for it to earn value (IF it would earn any value).

[arry]

Am I missing something here, I thought the comparison between the 370Z and RS500 was the new RS500 mentioned later on in the forst page, not the original Sierra in the OP.

No, not missing anything.
370z vs new Focus RS500 - the Focus will easily be the least financially punishing purchase.
Cars are rarely an investment and if they are it's over a very, very long term (hence the switch towards the subject of....)
The RS500 we're talking about probably won't depreciate much, if at all, over the course of the next 5 years and if kept sound it'll be worth more, ie be an investment.

[fudi]

well that was a pretty funny read

i have always wanted a cosworth, the only reason i bought a 200 was because i couldnt afford to insure a sapphy cos at 20 but cause i spent so much money on frickin datsuns and cause i have a house i cant afford a cossie currently but 1 will be mine !!

For you to get an escort anywhere near the spec of the rs500 ie rare colour concours spec and power mods i think you will be a kick in the arse off 35k anyway
not a rare model but http://edinburgh.gumtree.com/edinburgh/09/70384809.html

RS500's are worth fortunes all day long even scabby complete ones get between 15 and 18k nowadays and to prove big yins point and scare you some more
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2241313.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2097911.htm

decent sapphys your looking at spending about 10k e.g. this is bloody cheap imo http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C196100/

normal 3 dr cossie http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2321297.htm

series 1 rsturbos ive seen touching near 14k and series 2's are near 10k for minters

[arry]

and series 2's are near 10k for minters

now that you can NEVER sell me on - they were total donkey shite.

[fudi]

yeah i know but as the original post for the 35k rs500 was for a concours car the above post refers to that as well

ive had a series 2 and wouldnt turn down another but i dont think id go spend fortunes on one

[McRearout]

I think that would make a good buy

I think it looks 10x more awsome than the Escort too.

[Aitch]

£35k is a bit steep in my eyes -I'll wait for one to come along for about £20k

I like the RS500 but, strange as it may seem, I prefer the Sapphire Cosworth