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    China has one of the poorest records on human rights (not sure if you're bothered by this), so is unlikely to have even considered Socialism. Overseas trade is favourable for China because they are a far poorer country than ours (granted they are getting richer but remember the size and population of China makes it a World power but not wealthy per capita - it's often not accurate to compare countries as there are many factors to consider ?)

    The unemployed in this country could not compete with imports from China and governments have always favoured cheap imports as they make us wealthier but at the expense of the workers who would have made the items imported if they hadn't been imported. I guess this is the socialist/left argument.

    This country can't prosper without manufacturing I don't think. What happens when China etc. start putting prices up and hold us to ransom ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nissangeek View Post
    What happens when China etc. start putting prices up and hold us to ransom ?
    There is no new China . The Chinese can copy things in an instant and make them, if not better, then cheaper. Far cheaper. But just as effective

    The only people coming close are the Turks- Turkey is widely tipped amongst industry as the next up and coming emerging nation. But they are a long way behind with their intellectualism, so have a lot of work to do

    Crosslinking this to another thread, if I was investing money at the moment, it would be in Turkish companies

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    Chinese make things cheaper because they have lower standards of living. They do work hard I'm sure. They don't seem to complain etc. and demand their rights as we in West do.

    But their prosperity is due to Government intervention -not entrepreneurial spirit of working classes, and probably light regulations. There's no way with the best will in the world you could set up a factory here to compete with things made in China - surely you can see that ? You'd have to have workers on less than 1 pound an hour wages and the like. Even then it would probably fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nissangeek View Post
    Chinese make things cheaper because they have lower standards of living. They do work hard I'm sure. They don't seem to complain etc. and demand their rights as we in West do.

    But their prosperity is due to Government intervention -not entrepreneurial spirit of working classes, and probably light regulations. There's no way with the best will in the world you could set up a factory here to compete with things made in China - surely you can see that ? You'd have to have workers on less than 1 pound an hour wages and the like. Even then it would probably fail.
    My point, which has been somewhat missed, is that countries change. Well other ones do. Look at Germany, to be topical for a moment. Just 20 years ago, half of the capital were driving Trabants and there was a dirty great wall dividing the city, which people were shot dead for trying to cross. They've managed to change. Although the German unions are about to fcuk everything up for GM, so maybe not the best example to give... But if they can change dramatically in 20 years, how come you think the UK shouldn't have changed in 30?

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    As I said lack of government intervention in the UK. All the change you see abroad in other countries was largely down to Government intervention. This country has never had in recent times a government willing or able to make radical changes.

    The problem boils down to belief in the free market - it doesn't and can't work for everyone and doesn't cure social ills (although u might advocate some social cleansing !).

    Individuals can't start manufacturing on a large scale like car factories etc. wrt German change - if you saw the news not for the better to everyone. The that Germany was split meant change became necessary not just desirable.

    How would you propose the UK could have changed ? It's easy to criticise something for not happening without offering solutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nissangeek View Post
    How would you propose the UK could have changed ? It's easy to criticise something for not happening without offering solutions.
    By keeping labour and their ilk are as far away from governing the country as possible

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    I think all our politicians are rubbish !...except Vince Cable perhaps !

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    Why was the astrology thread closed ?? This is a conspiracy - this forum is run by right-wing fascists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nissangeek View Post
    Why was the astrology thread closed ??
    Because it was shit and had gone way off target. I assume.

    This is a conspiracy - this forum is run by right-wing fascists.
    Oh do shut up you big daft cock

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    Quote Originally Posted by nissangeek View Post
    Why was the astrology thread closed ?? This is a conspiracy - this forum is run by right-wing fascists.
    becuase you spent more time talking about fcuking politics than gayology you nonce !


    Try starting a thread on how veggie burgers are more ethically favorable than the meat industry ... and then start slagging people off for working hard and not giving all there money to dossers .... then start calling everyone fascists and blaming the conservatives for not giving more handouts to everyone. ..... and see how long that thread lasts
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    Quote Originally Posted by nissangeek View Post
    this forum is run by right-wing fascists.
    Ban him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vez View Post
    Ban him
    But Hitler, I mean Mark, is a fascist so he's right on one count


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cluck View Post
    But Hitler, I mean Mark, is a fascist so he's right on one count

    Ah, technically you are wrong, the committee dont run the forum, and his statement brands the likes of Ken one of the many mods a fascist

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    Quote Originally Posted by nissangeek View Post
    Why was the astrology thread closed ?? This is a conspiracy - this forum is run by right-wing fascists.
    Oh Rly?, then you will be happy that I've removed you from it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    Oh Rly?, then you will be happy that I've removed you from it
    : ..... he has killed the Anti-Johnny


    edit: I bet you a billion pounds he will join up as someone new by 15:30 today and be re-banned again by 15:47

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    Well that's the last time I try and save anyone from a self-inflicted mauling, off topic or otherwise . I had thought I was a bit of a lefty too.... better get some jackboots, tattoos and a subscription to NF weekly then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bennett View Post
    better get some jackboots, tattoos and a subscription to NF weekly then...
    Im sure Mark may have some spares

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    Oh dear, you have to love this forum! lol

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    ^^^ Er.. shouldn't you lot know better, can we please keep this thread on topic

    Jut

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    one year on, whats everyones verdict now?

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