Guy I used to work with bought a cheap 996.
How I used to laugh at his never ending tales of expensive repair bills :D
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Guy I used to work with bought a cheap 996.
How I used to laugh at his never ending tales of expensive repair bills :D
What could possibly go wrong?
No literally, what could actually genuinely go wrong?!
Something about 1000 quid to replace some bushes IIRC
Ah. Me mate Dave in his back street garage can do it for free-fiddyQuote:
Originally Posted by Actual_Ben_Taylor
70k cars have 70k car repair and servicing bills no matter how cheap they get to buy :D
I recon arry should look through the shed thread for a car, loads of high performance super cars in there for reasonable moneys.
Hmm not sure i fully agree with this. As they get older you can use specialists and not Porsche for parts. Yes a little more but not mayeb a lot. Friends looks after another friends Bentely 6.0 litre W12 on a 55 plate with 100k miles that he got for £21k, and parts not too bad for a 100k car. Lamda sensor was £55, two new brake callipers with built in electronic handbrakes £300 each, so not catastrophic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Arry, have a look on the Hartech Website, although based in Bolton they are UK renowned and have free buyign guides and lots fo useful info on their site re 911.
You might pay a little extra in maintenance, but you don't need to modify or tune them and depreciation or lack of it is good :) If you can stretch to a 3.6 c2 manual that has the facelift and many issues addressed.
Thanks Scottie - I'd like to stretch budget for that but I'm already out of budget range with what I'm planning to spend lol. It's jumped from 7k to 13k unchecked so far. I think wifey will put the Brembos on at 15k plus
Parts for the Jag have turned out to be surprisingly reasonable (and a bloody sight cheaper than the S13) but a lot of the car is twatty to work on so labour bills tend to be higher if you can't fix it yourself (e.g. don't have the special tools).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
A) Bentleys probably use a lot of VW partsQuote:
Originally Posted by Scottie
B) Lambdas are generic parts
C) £600 for a pair of rear calipers is catastrophic if you take into account the same part for your average £30k car is around £100 each.
You can pick a 2000 S class up for £6k but it wont cost the same to run as a Golf or Focus :no:
They are not like for like callipers though so that is a bad example.
The point is just because a car is 70k new does not mean running costs will be ruinious. Yes some parts might be a little more, but at the end of the day you are still buying Mintex discs or whatever.
For example, the Merc my other half now has was 40k new, and yet the pads and discs were marginally cheaper to replace than on a 15k new Focus. A Merc calliper was £90.
The Merc at that price point will have a different design requirement for parts and servicing compared to the likes of a Bentley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scottie
It isn't quite so clear cut that a car that costs £X in the first place shall have running costs of a particular magnitude.
I think Mark has a point as he is really referring to top-of-the-range cars built 10-15 years ago. They contain lots of not very well proven technology which is componentised, hard to diagnose and expensive to replace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scottie
Those sort of car are also fairly well used by now and anything hovering round the 100K mile mark is going to be reaching what the manufacturer considered to be "end of life".
Quite why I am driving round in a 100K mile, £2K Jag that cost 70K 15 years ago is beyond me :wack:
Arry, I know you've turned your nose up at an Alfa but did you know you can get a 7-yr-old JTS Q4 Brera with 35K on the clock for less than 10K.
The Q4 has the 3.2 V6 in it too :D
But then scottie look at e46 m3 running costs. Expensive servicing. Various parts that can cost large amounts when they fail, and
Also whilst pattern parts may be cheaper, they also don't last as long, and as I've found out with my bmw and the other halfs audi, most of the stuff we buy has to come from dealers, things like sensors etc aren't worth the money for copies.
Hell I bought some bonnet struts for the e36 from euros, long and behold they don't fit correctly.
Which proves my point exactly :D 100k car parts will generally be more technically advanced than a £30k car, hence they cost more when they go wrong. Service parts are all a muchness, i am talking when cars break, engine components, bits of trim, steering racks, hubs etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scottie
Plenty of "expensive" cars that break a lot and have less reliable parts out there, cough RangeRover... cough... Aston's of various vintages... cough...
That's what I was trying to say but put better.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeppelin101
You need to judge each potential purchase on it's own basis rather than just a £Xk car costs £Yk to run.
Yes but there's also a general rule of thumb. Regardless of rare cases, owning a premium or rare care will cost plenty more on a year by year basis that a focus or golf.
Even if their reliable cars, parts will still he hugely more, and like I said before, most of these cars aren't easy to work on yourself. Like said friend with an evo 6, he's mechanically minded but couldn't do the clutch do to having to drop the front subframe, the part was 700ish iirc, most places wanted 8-1000 labour due to the size of the job.
I would and have happily done the clutch on my e36 and 200s and old ford's when I started driving. But like **** would I be willing to do that. And if you drive enthusiastically it's not something that only needs doing once.
Anyway - heart decision at the moment = 2 Porsche models and the 6 series. Head = Evo8 and 335i
I think I gonna buy a Porsche. Shit the bed
Parts aren't that bad for the M unless you're looking at aftermarket. GSF and euro prices are very reasonable and I've had bushes, coil packs and random other things. You've just got to remember you'll need 6/8 or even 12 of some things which is where the additional expenses occurQuote:
Originally Posted by Zornyan
Heart. Heart decisions are a glorious way to bankrupt yourself.
Dem trooofs, dem experienceQuote:
Originally Posted by Si
YOLO :wack:
Its a matter of finding a balance though, isn't it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Si
You can "go sensible" and spend a good portion of your life not enjoying driving or you can go "silly" and fulfil a fantasy for a short while then spend a good portion of your life paying for a short period of enjoyment.
Somewhere in between, you can spend money you can afford on cars that are a pleasure to drive and put a smile on your face when you come to it, when are in it and when you get out of it.
lollage :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I think you may have misread my quote as discouraging Arry from doing it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonny Wilkinson
I love being regularly bankrupted by my heart decision, because on days like today, where it's a glorious morning and I go the back way to work, it makes all of the gruel meals worthwhile :wack:
I genuinely believe that a 996 is a viable proposition. I've done a lot of readin about them over the last few years (for no particular reason, honest :wack: ) and once you get past the minority of the IMS/RMS and scored bore stories, they are pretty solid cars. Some do throw huge repair bills, but they seem to be the ones that were bought right at the bottom of the price point, which 10-12k now isn't. There are many. many tales of people going in with their eyes open, buying well looked after cars, and them costing nothing more than your average family saloon to run.
Of course, as mentioned above there are other tales, but I shall gloss merrily over them. They genuinely seem the minority.
None of this, by the way, applies to Turbos. Which don't have the IMS/RMS or bore issues. But are ruinously expensive in EVERY OTHER WAY. :wack:
Correct, TUrbo's, GT2 and GT3's had the older block/engine with no issues...however this may be quadrupling Arry's original 7k bugdet :)
Definition "A rule of thumb is a principle with broad application that is not intended to be strictly accurate or reliable for every situation."Quote:
Originally Posted by Zornyan
So we are agreeing more than you think :nod:
The trick is to find that great car to drive/own which is at the less ruinous end of the window to own/run :D I think a 996 is a strong contender, and offer good value at the moment.
So tomorrow I shall see a blue 911 C2 - late model with the 3.6. And I'm excited as **** for the first time in this car hunting.
I really heart these heart decisions - they rock.
Now, to buy it before the brave pills wear off
What money is it up for ?Quote:
Originally Posted by arry
Don't ask that sort of question.
Just ask how giddy he felt after driving it for the first time.
Then a few months later ask how giddy he felt after paying out for a broken wiper motor or something !
£230 :pQuote:
Originally Posted by sideways14a
http://www.design911.co.uk/fu/cma81-...6L-09-01-2005/
:D
And also, yay Arry :D
The 3.6 addressed some of the 3.4 issues, and is a little bit faster ;) I think the facelift looks better as well. If I sold the sx now and needed a weekend fun car that was good as standard, setup for fast road, and gave me pleasure owning the 996 would be at the top of the shortlist.
I like the fact you have to learn a slightly different style to drive a 911, am very much looking forward to what you think of it Arry.
Just ran a quote through - it's cheaper to insure than both the BMW I've been looking at and only marginally more expensive than my current BM - LOL
I feel like I'm about to do a sky dive. Nervous as **** but excited all at the same time. So this is what emotion and automotive passion feels like - I've forgotten over the course of the last 4 years
Course your nervous, you could be onto a winner that gives you joy for many years to come with little finacial outlay.
Or you could be bending over to touch your toes every time something goes twang and the part is a dealer only (ship from Germany) part.
On the plus side you will not be constipated for a while so hey..
It's because you care ;) And you want one. BMWs do that to you - they drain your understanding of exciting cars by just doing everything to a really good standard, but nothing exceptionally, but you don't realise, becuase as a complete 'thing', they just seem really good.Quote:
Originally Posted by arry
Then you drive something that's really shit in some areas, but utterly excels in others, and the recalibration happens again.
And I'm jealous, because I'm currently getting insurance quotes for a cheap front wheel drive estate :wack:
This seems like a damn good decision - living the dream!
Or the nightmare as it may turn out. To Be Continued! LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikesx13
It's Saturday. Have you bought it yet?
Just setting off now. I'm nervous as shit
Quote:
Originally Posted by arry
I felt like that buying my Z4M coupe, good luck mate!
Waaahh. It's a no. Needed 2 new front tyres as they'd scrubbed inside which means the arms were probably worn. Clutch was heavy and high, and no history of a change so that's on way out. Front discs heavily scored and on their last legs.
It's weird as he'd spent 800 quid on the main service no problem but ignored basic maintenance.
When I was looking foir my M I found a lot of people dont understand whats included in a service. They just assume that includes for everything on the car and dont bother to read the service books/literature etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by arry
Hope the rigt one is round the next corner matey :)
Off for round two now but it's a tiptronic - not sure on that....
Did you drive it?
If so, what are your thought's of the driving experience?
Didn't drive the first one - sort of wish I did but didn't fancy getting tugged with 2 bald ish tyres.
Drove a tiptronic this afternoon but didn't buy it. Oil leaks from engine put me off. It was in good nick otherwise though which was a shame.
Drive wise it's really good. I'd liken the front end feel to a Caterham where you just know what the wheels are doing. Extremely poised. Engine sounds glorious.
Wooot. One has turned up in the next county looking much more like it - I'm off tomorrow morning as long as they answer their phone lol
Good luck dude, this threads giving me second thoughts about selling my s13, even though it's just a shell in my workshop, this thread reminds me of all the awesome tyre killing thrills it used to give me.
Si - if this thing goes wrong and costs me my marriage I am so going to never listen to you again...
Might have bought a car this morning
I'd like to offer a high 5, and gloss over the rest of your post.
I am both excited and gut wrenchingly nervous all at the same time - but I am now the owner of a midnight blue 2001 plate 911 with grey leather interior and the 5 spoke 18 inch wheels. Manual, natch :D
It's in such good condition that I had to blow my imaginary budget beyond its already imaginarily set limits but YOLO :wack:
**** me I own a 911 :D:D
Hah, legend!
This thread has been a great read. Does they other half know? Lol
Pics? :-) Tracking it at the weekender?
Looks ruinously good :)
Not even a little bit jealous
Looks nice, er, expensive to run, er, nice, er, expensive to fix, er, nice :wack:
I'm sure I saw one just like that poking out of a hedge on Stock Road a couple of months ago. Was it local ?
:D
Well done old son !
Hero status achieved.
Switchable sports exhaust?
I have absolutely no idea. I just know it sounds glorious when on the loud pedal
I am gonna have to get one of these for my impending mid life crisis coming up soon as well.
Little button below the stereo (that looks like a whistle I think).Quote:
Originally Posted by arry
Still no idea. I probably should know; I obviously checked it over very carefully :D :wack:
Nice Beetle :D
At least you can enjoy the drive back from the divorce court :wack:
Shots fired :wack:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Looks awesome!
its weird how imaginary budgets seem to at least double by the time you get the buying the car (at least mine always seem to :S)
Budget smudget
Hopefully off to pick it up tonight. I wonder if I'll get an obligatory pump snap on the way home
1st post.
Most recent postQuote:
Originally Posted by arry
Remember kids: The internet is a dangerous place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arry
Probably the best cases of budget and requirement creep I've seen in ages :wack:
Strangely enough I do believe my wife may have said something awfully similar when I told her I'd spanked bare cash on a potential grenade :wack:Quote:
Originally Posted by zeppelin101
Sat out to dinner last night with friends just smirking and giggling to myself like a dementia patient. And I haven't even picked it up yet. Still can't quite believe what I've done.
Anyway - funds have cleared so I'm off to pick it up at half 6 ish tonight. By half 9 it'll either be in my garage or in a ditch. Place bets now!
Well he kept to 'a good drive' :wack:Quote:
Originally Posted by zeppelin101
Do they still qualify as a good drive when they're sitting in your garage busted? :wack:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Hmmmmm. Garages..... Will you have sole responsibility for removing it from the garage ? ....... :wack:Quote:
Originally Posted by arry
Awesome work, I was trying to convince my friend to get one - he ended up with a Scirocco :(
Which engine is in the 911 then?? The 3.6?
Good work Arry :thumbs:
I wanted a decent boot when I lobbed in my XR2, then promptly bought my S14a :wack:
I think its the 3.4 6-cyl 300 hp lump. I'm sure Arry will confirm.Quote:
Originally Posted by R3K1355
Home safe. And :smitten:
You are not a good influence.
My ebay history is looking less sensible by the day... excellent job :-D
Do it - YOLO - sod it, let's all buy 911's; it's amazing how totes Datsun they actually are.
I'm glad that you haven't crashed it yet :D
Excellent, they are rated as 5 star drive by EVO who love the 996's, reckon they are such an undervalued performance car.
The colour combo looks great, and manual, so should be easy to sell on should you choose to in the future.
I'm quite jealous as if I didn't have so much cash tied up in the S14a I'd get one of these for the weekend car, surprisingly pratical and jsut so well suited to fast A and B road driving.
What are you favourite parts of the car and driving experience?
I had a good try - it out-gripped me :wack:
Is it faster than a 300bhp s-body in a straight line? No - but is it a complete package of a car that just creams along at pace? Hell yes :D
Its starting to sound like you've rediscovered your love of cars, Arry, after a few years in the Bimmer wilderness. Welcome back :)
Ha, loser :D Stage 2 S14s be handing you ya ass :wack:Quote:
Originally Posted by arry
There is a lot to be said having a car that is a complete package from the factory that just works so well at everything it should. 300bhp is a nice figure and allows you to enjoy all features of the car without dominating the experience...after all it does 174mph :)
It's the overall package. But individually it's how it'll chomp along at pace being composed yet raw. Then you settle into a cruise and it becomes a nice place to be, sophisticated well built German car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scottie
There are some annoyances - the indicator stalk feels so low rent for example - but it's made up for by a kick on the loud pedal
If you can find one...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
1. Not rusted to death.
2. Running and on the road.
3. Not drifted into Armco
:)
lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scottie
My mate had a 968 and he still says it was the best car he has ever had as a driving experience.
Stage 1a, come on man :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Arry, you are a ****. I am sat here looking at autotrader trying to do some man maths now :)
Didnt realise they were sub 10k, thats S15 money :wack:
Mine wasn't. Not by some way. But the condition of the car is stunning. It's been owned by an enthusiast and pampered completely for the last 6 years. The service file came in a box folder
Having looked over a few there's a vast difference between the good and bad. I decided to spend the extra as regardless of what you can fix on a car like this you just can't recreate a history file like it has, or ever get the car back completely to the condition it should be in
I'm sure there are good sub 10k ones out there though. They'll be silver but still
You'll get more of your money back on a good one too :nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by arry
and will sell much more easily as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonny Wilkinson
I am going to go and invest a chunk of my car buying budget in a TV to avoid this crazy talk of the sensibleness of 996 ownership. This is a dangerous thread, I think it needs closing, and Arry can make a new one just showing off his car or something :wack: :D
I am still much lols on the scope creep TBH. How I got this past the missus I just don't know
Now the hard part - I have to teach her how to drive a manual car again after 4 years out of clutch pedals. Her stick handling was never the best :wack:
I could do with someone else's non precious car to start her off in rather than trying to coach her in a 911 :smash:
Buy my Skoda so I can go buy my own 996 :wack: Ideal teaching car :D