Originally Posted by
docwra
Who did you vote for in the House of Lords then? ;)
Ive said much on this elsewhere, but as the owner of a business that trades extensively with the EU and beyond Ive seen the benefits of EU membership time and again - true, most are economic but most of your life is governed by economics.
To deal with a few favourite "out" arguments:
Control of our borders: At the moment we do control our borders, any non EU immigrant needs a VISA to come and work here and its generally agreed that EU immigration is a net benefit for the UK, not to mention us being able to go do business there. Leaving will not stop illegal immigration, the clue is in the name.
Finance: There is absolutely no doubt that out of the EU the UK will be a much smaller financial force globally speaking. We will also still have to contribute in order to trade (see Norways contribution) and would have vast amounts of administration to do setting up and policing new trade agreements.
Britain as a Great Nation once again: Impossible. People harking back to Churchill and even before forget that we are now in a global economy where we couldnt hope to compete with India, China and South America in production - in 1945 youd be lucky to find a telephone in most of these places, they can now sell direct to my front door. Its not a comparable situation at all.
Law: What was the last law imposed on us by the EU you really didnt agree with? And yet no-one disagrees with the employment and environmental legislation?
Security: Anyone that doesnt think that the EU pooling their intelligence against terrorism (which lets be fair, we see bugger all of) is off their head.
I hate to say it but I dont actually think 90% of the population have enough knowledge to make an informed decision, I get terrified by some of the utter shyte people are basing a leave decision on (mainly hatred of Cameron and "immigration", see above) ............ Richard Dawkins says:
“It is much too difficult and detailed to be left to voters who know no economics and tend to say things like, ‘Well I was going to vote Leave but I can’t stand Boris Johnson’s hair so I’m going to vote Remain.’ Or, ‘I was going to vote Remain but Cameron needs punishing so I’m going to vote Leave.’ "