Membership

[Darksurfer]

I found this site as I recently bought a 200sx, I liked the fact that it was everyday people posting there own ideas and experience.

I am concerned at the thought of this site will be turning to a pay site, paying for what?
I am the webmaster for nearly ten of my own websites and a strong believer in the net should be a free resource on information, to the point that I refuse work on pay websites.

I agree that a filter needs to be in place to discourage the time waster element, but that is now in place with the threat of IP bans and moderators.

I am sure this site wishes to encourage the people like myself who are new to the 200sx. Who wish to know more and meet other like minded people, I have to ask myself if I would be as loyal to this site as I am if I found I had to pay just to chat to these people.

Sorry to vent my spleen, but thats how I feel.


Am I alone in my opinion?

Keep the net free, pay sites are porn sites..

[Jezz_S13]

I agree with Darksurfer, the net should be free, and so should access to the BB.
Yes vet new members, but be VERY careful to make it a transparent vetting service, monitor their initial posts, set up the BB to mail you when a new member registers as I know monitoring the entire board must be a ‘mare.

I know for a fact that this board is excellent, I have rebuilt my engine, modded my car, met people I’d never meet the list goes on, none of this would have happened if the board wasn’t free or here.
I’d also like to think that I am now in a position (being a professed 200 expert after 4 month ownership, thanks to you guys) to help other newcomers. And 100% I’m sure I am not alone.

Besides we all learn from other people, whether they are new comers or not.

The board should also be open to be read buy non 200sx owners.

I agree that there should be an owners club that goes beyond the Web site & BB, but this should have extra benefits other than the BB etc.

Jezz.

[dave_s13]

I for one will not be prepared to pay just for the use of a BB, fees for discounts merchandise, newsletters etc is OK and I'd be up for that. Lets wait and see though.

[Darksurfer]

Originally posted by dave_s13:
I for one will not be prepared to pay just for the use of a BB, fees for discounts merchandise, newsletters etc is OK and I'd be up for that. Lets wait and see though.

I cannot argue with you here, if we can take the board to a new level so that producers of parts sit up and take notice that this is a professional club and offer discounts ETC.

I met some of you guys at Donnington after four days of joining this site and five after buying a 200sx and had a good chat with you all, would I have ever found out about this if I had to pay to see that post?

The membership fee would have to be justified for me to pay up, I pay enough just to surf the net.

IMHO.

So I shall wait and see http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Asht_200]

I assume that this site is hosted in the UK. What do you ever get for nothing in the UK? It must cost the owners of this site to make it available to us all, so be fair. I would rather pay a small fee for this site than to see it disappear.


Originally posted by Darksurfer:
I cannot argue with you here, if we can take the board to a new level so that producers of parts sit up and take notice that this is a professional club and offer discounts ETC.

I met some of you guys at Donnington after four days of joining this site and five after buying a 200sx and had a good chat with you all, would I have ever found out about this if I had to pay to see that post?

The membership fee would have to be justified for me to pay up, I pay enough just to surf the net.

IMHO.

So I shall wait and see http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif



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200SX 93L. SE Exhaust, Filter, Port Polish, 17" Momo Arrow, Snooper Radar Detector.
Money has been spent on Hi Fi at present.
T28 Hybrid Ordered

[Jezz_S13]

Originally posted by antmcp:
I assume that this site is hosted in the UK. What do you ever get for nothing in the UK? It must cost the owners of this site to make it available to us all, so be fair. I would rather pay a small fee for this site than to see it disappear.



Dont be rediculous. Of course it has to be free!!!

There are plenty of places to host it, you may get a few banners etc.

I'll host and I hasten to add moderate it if it comes to that!

Jezz.

[Papa Lazarou]

An approach I've seen on another car club BB is to introduce voluntary PayPal contributions to help keep it going. Perhaps you could get something under your name in your profile to show you've paid up or an avatar or something. I know I would consider making a contribution!

But to make the board inaccessible unless you pay sucks, IMHO. I am not against banner ads (as long as their relevent and not porno ones, or pop ups..).

If paying gave access to discounts on parts, club merchandise and all the other club 'stuff' then I'd happily pay.

[Keith_C]

I don't think making the board completely inaccessable until a member is what is in mind - at least that's not the impression I've got from Dave.

Dave has loads of stuff going on at the moment which is messing things up for him. Added to that the fact the club has grown at a tremendous rate means it's a bit overwhelming for those of us who see what's going on behind the scenes.

You also have to remember that he could be held responsible for what goes on in this board, which just adds to the pressure.

Basically - cut us a bit of slack for a bit, and things will get better.

[Johnny]

"The club will soon become official, which means you will have to pay a membership"

Relax guys, this should be an exciting time as we become an official club ..... And I have a sneaky feeling that our membership fee will go towards subsidising our official INSANE car badges. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/wink.gif

[Darksurfer]

Originally posted by Johnny:
"The club will soon become official, which means you will have to pay a membership"


WHY???

It goes against my religion to pay to visit web sites. If I am forced to pay to visit my favourite web sites it would be an insult to me and my family http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif
And you know what could happen if you go against a religion...

Well I am sure that I have stepped out of line with the new rules ETC. and will be banned anyway for causing unrest amongst the members. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif

I hope in the future you guys will keep me posted as to what is going on and up and coming meets in the new elite, official pay for web site through ICQ or MSN Messenger.

Its been nice, hope to see you again sometime *sniff* http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/frown.gif

[Jezz_S13]

You really off?

There is another BB you know.
http://www.silvia-s13.net/s13ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

Which I imagine people will be joining soon.

[Johnny]

Originally posted by Darksurfer:
...

Well I am sure that I have stepped out of line with the new rules ETC. and will be banned anyway for causing unrest amongst the members. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif



OH please ... how many posts have you had removed or edited today ?? .... I'm guessing none you goody two shoes http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif ... me I'm on 1 whole topic and 3 posts !

and as for you Jezz .... Who you sleeping with http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif ... I just mention Ju**** at tor******ic and my messages get deleted... how did you get away mentioning another BB ??

[Bean]

I realise that it's very annoying having certain posts and topics bought up continuously. Something does have to be done to stop them but I'm not sure revealing IP addresses and making people pay for the site is necessarily a good idea.

I think if these measures were to be introduced more than half of the board members would disappear and make the site not financially viable.

Can't there be some sort of vetting process for new member registrations, maybe insisting all fields be filled in to include: verified email address, location, name etc..?

Just a thought? http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif

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http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/rides/beans14/nissan3m_180_135.jpg

Linux/Solaris Trainee Guru

[Johnny]

Originally posted by Johnny:
OH please ... how many posts have you had removed or edited today ?? .... I'm guessing none you goody two shoes http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif ... me I'm on 1 whole topic and 3 posts !


Way Hey !! ... make that 2 whole topics ... looks like Ian D's attempt at getting TC that I hijacked has now been closed.

I think it is best I just go out and get TC on my own. .... sorry if this topic gets locked !

[Jezz_S13]

Just thought I'd have the last post on this thread before it goes. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Grey '92 S13, S14 T28, SAAB FMIC, SE Stage 2, Cybercraft Induction Kit, Blitz FATT-S, Some funny whoosh..Tiss thing and a partridge in a pear tree.
*** I talk crap ok, it's just the way it is. ***

[Darksurfer]

Originally posted by Johnny:
I'm guessing none you goody two shoes http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif ... me I'm on 1 whole topic and 3 posts !




Show off http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

I agree with Bean on this topic though well put.

I do wish to stick with this site as it is a good laugh and there are SOME good people on here. I would hate to see us all spilt to splinter sites, we should stick together to give us all buying power and the collective knowlege.

To fund the site and help out the hard working boys behind the scenes there could be on site advertising and site merchandise, how else do I keep all my sites free???
I would be up for that and would buy some site endorsed clobber...

Standing together in peace and harmony under the 200sx banner http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

Darksurfer and Jez.

Sigh, what on earth is with you guys. I'll be looking at a very small amount per year, say prehaps 10-15 quid. this money will go toward:-

Paying for events (RR days etc)
Pay for club stands
Paying for stickers
paying for club merchandise
paying for banners at events
paying for software for the upkeep of the site.

This list goes on..

What do you expect all this to come out of my pocket?!?!?

Thanks guys, your real stars.

[colin]

Glad to see the IP addresses have gone. I probably won't post with this option.

I think the funny side of the board is just as valid because it keeps things interesting when there aren't many 200 topics to read.

It would be a shame if this side disappeared. I'm not that technical on cars so can't add too much on the technical threads so keep in touch via the less serious posts. I am sure there are others like me.

[BB]

Hey,
We all appreciate what you are doing, running this board and all.
Its just that there's no point getting hacked off about the posts and getting stroppy. I'm a network administrator, and if I needed to I can change my IP address to any one of about four thousand, plus create umpteen multiple logins to circumvent your restrictions.
By all means complain to us, I hope we would all listen, but do try and do things collectively.

By the way, yes, I hate pay sites too, but equally I am a member of several car clubs, so we are prepared to help if you need it.

BB



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Still has Standard engine (one day perhaps ... )
One previous lady owner
(OK, so she drove it faster than I do)
AND its manual (autos are for Pooftas and OAPs)

[SXOC Admin]

Its got nothing to do with being stroppy. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/rolleyes.gif Its to do with organisation of the club. Some things are allowed others aren't. If your all *that* interested in the cars you won't mind forking out 15 odd quid a year to keep the site going.

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Dave Refault
Owner - Nissan200sx Web
S13 - Soon to be an animal
MKIII Turbo SupeDawg - Soon to be BPU (you know it makes sense)

[This message has been edited by Dave_Refault (edited 19-10-2001).]

[Darksurfer]

Originally posted by Administrator:

Paying for events (RR days etc)
Pay for club stands
Paying for stickers
paying for club merchandise
paying for banners at events
paying for software for the upkeep of the site.

This list goes on..

What do you expect all this to come out of my pocket?!?!?

Thanks guys, your real stars.

Remember this or did you even read it?

The membership fee would have to be justified for me to pay up.

Thanks for the constructive and informed reply, not sure if I am the real star..

[Richy_Boy]

Well - Never thought I'd see his happening! Anyway, my opinion on this is that take the fun out of this, and take the people out of it.
For a membership of say £15 a head is a bit steep I think. Well not really, but how many members on the board? 300?! £4500! If we were given stickers/badges etc, but what about the people who dont want them? Ok they will cost, but working in a design industry I know quantity counts, and u can half the production costs of anything by ordering double!

Anyway, I'm off the point. IP logging will not really help anyway. Dynamic addressing wil stop it from working, and what if some poor bug*er gets allocated the IP of some past idiot on this or another board, and is framed? Ok not likely, but possible!

I think we should be able to laff and cry together, ok, the female thing was taken too far, and so was the auto thing. All it needed was a firm hand. Taking out images etc is just ruining what is/was an EXCELLENT meeting place for 200sx owners.

For the people who have been causing trouble in regard to Corsa site should be kicked in the bolls, as quite frankly no-one wants what we have here ruined, and I would be happy to wave goodbye to them. I have met a few people, and sold and bought things which I would not of been able to, and leart SO much about my car!

I cant understand how banning will work anyway? Ban the IP sure, next time u[they] log on.. new IP, ok, account locking, but whats a nickname?

Well thats my 2pence worth. I love this place *sniff sniff* dont ruin it by slapping rules and regs. I agree and like the new "NON 200sx chat", should of been done a long time ago..

Well I'm outta here.. wasted an hour of work time now http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif

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Fed up with everyone having longer Sigs...
'91 Graphite Grey S13
Janspeed Exhaust, ND Dump Valve, K&N,
ND Actuator, Chassis Dynamic Springs, Koni Adj. Shocks, 17" Wheelz
ND Boost Gauge, Uprated Turbo Oil Pipe, Ecotek Valve, NGK Cooler Spark Plugs
Clifford Turbo Timer, Pioneer, Caliber and Bazooka ICE :)
Smelly Tree

[SXOC Admin]

Darksurfer,

Your not really helping the situation. Your just trying to continue an arguement.

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Dave Refault
Owner - Nissan200sx Web
S13 - Soon to be an animal
MKIII Turbo SupeDawg - Soon to be BPU (you know it makes sense)

[SXOC Admin]

Originally posted by Richy_Boy:
Well - Never thought I'd see his happening! Anyway, my opinion on this is that take the fun out of this, and take the people out of it.
For a membership of say £15 a head is a bit steep I think. Well not really, but how many members on the board? 300?! £4500! If we were given stickers/badges etc, but what about the people who dont want them? Ok they will cost, but working in a design industry I know quantity counts, and u can half the production costs of anything by ordering double!

Anyway, I'm off the point. IP logging will not really help anyway. Dynamic addressing wil stop it from working, and what if some poor bug*er gets allocated the IP of some past idiot on this or another board, and is framed? Ok not likely, but possible!

I think we should be able to laff and cry together, ok, the female thing was taken too far, and so was the auto thing. All it needed was a firm hand. Taking out images etc is just ruining what is/was an EXCELLENT meeting place for 200sx owners.

For the people who have been causing trouble in regard to Corsa site should be kicked in the bolls, as quite frankly no-one wants what we have here ruined, and I would be happy to wave goodbye to them. I have met a few people, and sold and bought things which I would not of been able to, and leart SO much about my car!

I cant understand how banning will work anyway? Ban the IP sure, next time u[they] log on.. new IP, ok, account locking, but whats a nickname?

Well thats my 2pence worth. I love this place *sniff sniff* dont ruin it by slapping rules and regs. I agree and like the new "NON 200sx chat", should of been done a long time ago..

Well I'm outta here.. wasted an hour of work time now http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif



There aren't 400 200sx owners on here. Some are from the scooby board, some from the RS owners club, some from the corsa boards and there are countless people who are just here cos they are enthusiasts. So it would no way amount to 4500k.

[Jezz_S13]

Hang on Dave,

I feel that you have the wrong end of the stick.

What I said was the BB & Web site should be free access. Open to all, it has to be like this.

I am all up for giving £10-15 to a dedicated 200sx club. Face it I'm not gonna be getting much for my £15 that went to NTOC.

>>paying for software for the upkeep of the site... surely it's all open source?

I'll send you my £15 now if there are the club benefits that you mention, I am willing to help in any way that I can with the club.

If a percentage of the money goes to the web site then fine.
I think we (Dark & Me) had the impression that the web site would be paying members only, that wouldn't work, you'd get very few new people on the board. The majority of the people on the board wouldn't be here if they had to pay.

I think logging of IPs is a very good idea too, just be careful what yo do with them re DPA. It can get you into a lot of strife! You should also add it to the Agreement that new members have to accept 'Your IP address will be logged'.

Perhaps when the 200sx club gets launched, more people will share the responsiblity, a proper 'accepable use policy' document should be produced that moderators follow when vetting post etc.

And perhaps glitches like today wont happen when the moderator snaps.

I'm sorry if what has been said has annoyed/upset you, but to read some of the crap that you have written today is pretty upsetting too to someone that is actually whether you think it or not commited to the board & club.

You asked us all about a month ago if any of us wanted to share responsibility, but what came of that? I see Keith is involved but I feel he his just doing what you say as opposed to a bunch of moderators discussing problems & sharing the load.

I'm not being arsey here I'm just telling it like it is, this bad tension on the board has to go before everyone on the board does and neither of us want that do we?
Far more tension the Auto V Manual!

Right I could go on rambling on for ever, as I'm sure so could you. I'm sure you have your side to the story.

Seriously though if you want to mail or ring me then do. 07973 793829.

Take care,

Jezz

[Darksurfer]

Originally posted by Dave_Refault:
Its got nothing to do with being stroppy. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/rolleyes.gif Its to do with organisation of the club. Some things are allowed others aren't. If your all *that* interested in the cars you won't mind forking out 15 odd quid a year to keep the site going.



Oi ! I am the one posting helpful replies to a lady who was asking for help about a 200sx who turns out to be a bloke taking the piss !!

I am one of many who is searching the net looking for a useful resource of info to help me enjoy my car..

I also replied to your post for help offering my services.

The Net should be a free resource and as I have already said I am prepared to fork out something to assist in the running provided its justified, have all the options been looked at?

I am interested in cars and react badly to any implication to the contrary.

[Nathan_200sx]

I wouldnt mind paying something, I already do for the NTOC. I've met more people, got more advice and been on more meetings through this site than with the ntoc. 15 quid a year is nowt, just a little bit more than a bottle of vodka, I say give dave a chance and see what he's going to come up with. Just listen to what the newbies say in there first posts, usualy along the lines of "great site" lets keep it that way.
And why am I begining to sound like JohnD_international_peacemaker_76 http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif sorry mate no offence http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/wink.gif

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Nathan
Red S13 Mongoose, K&N T3 280ish BHP
An apple eaten every 8 hours will keep 3 doctors away.

[TT Tim]

Whilst I am an interloper here from the 300zx forum I must say that membership and the conversion to a 'proper' club has nothing but merits if, and I mean if, it's run in a proper manner, consider if you will:

Insurance schemes
Discount from suppliers
Track day events
Discounted merchandise

This is just the tip of the iceburg.

What is £20pa anyway, I bet it costs £40 to fill yer car up (I know it does mine http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif) The costs in time and effort in running a 'free' service are huge!

Just my 2 penneth. Shoot me down if u wish.

Tim

'90 300zx TT, J'Spec

[SXOC Admin]

Jez,

I have a life mate. I don't live for this BB. I have a girlfriend. I'm trying to buy a house. I have a job. I have a social life. I do stuff to the site when I can.

I said stuff will happen and it will, I don't need people getting on my case about it.

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Dave Refault
Owner - Nissan200sx Web
S13 - Soon to be an animal
MKIII Turbo SupeDawg - Soon to be BPU (you know it makes sense)

[andyf]

Originally posted by Jezz_S13:
There is another BB you know.
http://www.silvia-s13.net/s13ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi
Which I imagine people will be joining soon.

No there isn't - that's a testing purposes one at the moment, but I can setup a general one if anyone wants? For general chin-wagging and the like?


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[Rossy]

Why cant everyone just chill out and cut some slack. The people that want to pay will pay, those that dont, dont.

I think we should all smoke the pipe of peace on the 28th. I visit this site every day without fail and dont like to see people bitching on what has to be the most concentrated group of 200Sx owners on the net.

[Keith_C]

Right - things are still being thought about/decided re membership and costs, but what I think is most likely to happen is that the BBS will remain open to all and sundry. It's possible that people joining will have to be approved, but that'd probably be it.

Likewise, the website will remain open to all for free.

Events and meets would allow spectators along for free (pay events like Trax would still need to be paid for by the attendee)

However, to take part in events like trackdays, RR days, karting, etc, THAT is what the subs would be for - being allowed to take part. This money would go towards the booking of events, the production of a web-based newsletter, hosting costs and website costs.

It would not be a huge amount of money - £15 or less for certain - which is less than say the SIDC charge.

Part of the problem is that many companies will not recognise a company as being 'official' unless there is a subscription charge, and as such will not entertain the idea of discounts.

The plan (as I see it) is to get a bit 'official' first, THEN get the extra goodies. As things develop, the subs will also include entry into say a club insurance policy (like the RS club), or cheaper servicing/parts from main dealers (like the SIDC) or all sorts of other things - all of which will save you £15 in seconds. We need to establish the club as 'official' FIRST though, which combined with the speed of growth and some people acting a bit silly, means this period has been painful in some ways.

Hope that clears things up a bit.

Cheers



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UK Supras resident lurker

[Jezz_S13]

Originally posted by Dave_Refault:

Jez,

I have a life mate. I don't live for this BB. I have a girlfriend. I'm trying to buy a house. I have a job. I have a social life. I do stuff to the site when I can.

I said stuff will happen and it will, I don't need people getting on my case about it.



Sorry Dave, I wasn't getting on your case, it wasn't supposed to sound imposing, I'm sure there is some constructive stuff in there somewhere.
I just thought that is exactly why you asked for the help that's all.

I reckon quite a few of us have been a bit harsh & over-reactionary & put things no so elequently but hey, feck it it'll all be forgot tomorrow.

Go have joint or a beer or something and chill for a bit http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif

Jezz.

And Dave, I had a life too before I got this sodding car and into this board.

You'll be glad to know that this board is excellent! http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

[JohnD76]

Originally posted by colin:
Glad to see the IP addresses have gone. I probably won't post with this option.

I think the funny side of the board is just as valid because it keeps things interesting when there aren't many 200 topics to read.

It would be a shame if this side disappeared. I'm not that technical on cars so can't add too much on the technical threads so keep in touch via the less serious posts. I am sure there are others like me.



I dont think Dave is trying to stop the funny side of the board. Its just that the general 200sx forum has turned into comedy central recently. And (I know I shouldn't start a sentance with and, but...grrr)some of it has been done to death. The Man v Auto thing was in about every thread, meaning that the original question was at teh top, but you had to sift through 23 other posts to find 2 or 3 relevant answers.

This has always been a funny board, we have some real choice nut cases here http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif Ripper, JB, Nat, etc.. We now have a non-200sx section where I am sure one thread on auto v manual WOULD HAVE done and caused much memiment. I said WOULD HAVE incase you missed that bit, so PLEASE dont start any new posts people, or you will be banned. Not because of an oppresion of freedom of speech, but because you are throwing it back in Daves face, which is rude. :P

Colin mate, I know jack about cars too. I am slowly learning and have also met some good people through the board and my interest in the car had risen dramatically (obsessionally http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif). The main reason I stayed with the board was because of the humour, some of it made me laugh so hard I thought I ruptured something. Which at work isn't so good http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

Sorry guys have just gone off on another one. I think i'm turning into your Dad http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif
Am just expressing my opinion and view on things. And if anyone doesn't agree with them, well, they can simply............ http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif




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http://mysmilies.com/s.php?action=random&cat=evil

[JohnD76]

Originally posted by Jezz_S13:
Hang on Dave,

I feel that you have the wrong end of the stick.

What I said was the BB & Web site should be free access. Open to all, it has to be like this........

Take care,

Jezz

Jez,

You constantly suprise me. Nice one.
Must meet up at some point and hail the leaf http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

[JohnD76]

Originally posted by Nathan_200sx:

And why am I begining to sound like JohnD_international_peacemaker_76 http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif sorry mate no offence http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/wink.gif



Its funny you should say that mate, just posted another beasty http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif , and am just heading to the airport. I hear they need me in Afganistan http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

Just heard that the contract I am working on is now on hold, reviewing a major cost benefit analysis http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/frown.gif. Hopefully they will keep me on. Not too bothered about finding work, just like it there and they pay absolutely shedloads http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif Probably why the project has been shelved http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

You and Paul going the the Shire Horse on Sunday?

John

[JohnD76]

Originally posted by Ross:
Why cant everyone just chill out and cut some slack.
I think we should all smoke the pipe of peace on the 28th.

http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

Am currently doing so. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

as can be seen by the amount of posts I have in this thread!! scary http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif



[This message has been edited by JohnD76 (edited 19-10-2001).]

[Jezz_S13]

Originally posted by JohnD76:
Jez,

You constantly suprise me. Nice one.
Must meet up at some point and hail the leaf http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif



In what way, good or bad? Did you understand what I was trying to say?

You going to the RR? Perhaps we should all just get mega stoned in Bristol & save ****ing out cars up and wasting petrol. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif:

[Darksurfer]

Originally posted by Dave_Refault:

Darksurfer,

Your not really helping the situation. Your just trying to continue an arguement.




Discussion forum !!!


Ban me and close this thread then.

If we cannot post a subject to discuss and I think it was an important one, I wanted to know the situation and how people felt about this site turning to a pay site.

It appears that the reasons for the future changes was not communicated very well as I did not know them.

and the end of all this I wish I never opened my gob, I was mis-quoted and flamed, contradicting the whole essence of a discussion forum.

But I am glad to see that the feelings on this are strong and it has been a very good debate in places.

[JB]

As someone who has caused a good portion of mayhem (aided and abetted by a lot of others it has to be said) on the board I have to agree with Dave on this sadly.

I like a laugh and a joke as much as anyone and now there is a suitable place to post it so that has to be good http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif

I also have no problem with us becoming a club for an appropriate fee, if we get the benefits that Dave outlined earlier and maybe extra stuff like insurance discounts etc. If some of the fee goes towards the BB the so be it.

I realise the amount of time organising something like this takes and have to tell you Dave that it's much appreciated. I thoroughly enjoy this site/club whether I'm posting about something serious or not serious. Keep it up mate http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

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2000 S14a
Emerald Green ("God's own colour ") New Testament, Revelation 4:2-3, 5 http://www.duhspot.com/users/smiley/s/contrib/ruinkai/smileyb.gif

Chairman of the Corsa/Saxo fan club - because I like wearing baseball caps and sticking fake carbon fibre to my dashboard.

[Migrane]

I have been sat reading this post and considering adding my thoughts, but not done so until now because I didnt want to sat anything that may be taken the wrong way...

Cant everyone just forget everything thats been said that caused anyone offence? After all, nothing really nasty has been said, its just been conflicting opinions.

Its very easy to get the wrong end of the stick on BB's as you can't really tell how something was meant to sound.

I for one have learned soooo much since joning the BB, I have made friends and saved myself a LOT of money by taking advice from people who know and then undertaking the work on the car myself http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

I think the RR will unite this board and stop all the ill feeling. Its just a real shame I can't be there to see it http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/frown.gif

On the subject of fees, I cant really see how anyone can complain at a yearly fee of £15 to take part in events and obtain group discounts etc. These things shouldnt be expected to appear overnight though.

On the other hand, Dave, I understand that there must be a mega amount of work to to on the BB and you just dont have time for it.

But...there are a lot of people, me included, that would help out in any way possible if asked. I dont think you will get many people coming forward, because they dont know what they can offer, but may well jump at the chance if you asked them to something.

I hope all this made sense. I also hope it did not get anyones back up, as it was intended to do just the opposite http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

Nath.

[This message has been edited by Migrane (edited 19-10-2001).]

[alarming mark]

this site has cost me a fortune since i stumbled upon it,its also saved me a few bob aswell,i just spent 5grand buying a newer 200 because i new i could get help with any probs i have,even if its a reassuring word when something goes wrong.
this site must stay free to the newcomers,if u want to charge to be a member,i am all for it,but dont make it compulsory,make having a membership appealling and people will pay.
to those who run this board i give a big thanks,some of the membership money should go towards it,i dont think anyone will begrudge something that will help keep and improve wat is already a great board.
some subjects did go to far,we all no that and its up to us to keep it fun but not go to far,i hope u can all settle this and move on to making the 200 club a thing for us all to be apart off and proud off.
this all meant something to me hope it does to u. mark

[Iain]

The Soarer site has a simple device for anonymous payments no-one knows who pays and therefore your webmaster is not 'beholden' to a named person, you can contribute what you wish, if you are an 'info/help provider then you probably feel your contribution in that funds the site in kind, if as a result of info gleaned from the site that has saved you money then you may feel that a contribution it 'just dues' for that help.

I fear that pay sites really just die horribly, or are indded porn sites.

Above all, don't lose the humour it keeps away 'internet death' so many other sites on the web are just expressionless dull faces on a truly dull medium, it is individuality that keeps people coming back for more, the American sites are for the most part like that, even the best Supra site seems to be for a 'clique', post an question you MAY get an answer 2 WEEKS later, on my site and maybe here you get a reply that maybe rude or slightly 'off' but it is there next time you look here eagerly.

[JohnD76]

Originally posted by Jezz_S13:
In what way, good or bad? Did you understand what I was trying to say?

You going to the RR? Perhaps we should all just get mega stoned in Bristol & save ****ing out cars up and wasting petrol. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif:




In a good way you plonker!!!! http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Dave_the_B]

Without prejudice.

I have been involve with clubs all my life; motocross,shooting,cars and mountian bikes.

As soon as people start to pay money they also start to expect something in return.When this something is not up to their expectations trouble begins.
Trouble is what ruins a good thing.
We have a good thing here, but we also have a need to become 'official'.
What we need is a compromise.

Suggestion: The BB remains free to view, but to post and enjoy the benefits of any discounts ect a small fee is paid.
This way people surfing the net can have a look around but if they want to post they must pay.

Dave

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Grey S13
T28
Evo 6 IC
280bhp @ 16psi

[Jezz_S13]

Cheers John http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif, I was begining to get paranoid that everyone misinterpretted what I had wrote and/or not actually read what I had wrote.

Dave_the_B, nail on the head mate! http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif



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Jezz Palmer.
Grey '92 S13, S14 T28, SAAB FMIC, SE Stage 2, Cybercraft Induction Kit, Blitz FATT-S, Some funny whoosh..Tiss thing and a partridge in a pear tree.
*** I talk crap ok, it's just the way it is. ***

[bond_200]

Don't mean to carry this on so please don't ban me! But I don't think you should have to pay to post on a message board, if discounts were available from suppliers and insurance etc, then yeah paying is obviously a requirement but some people on here don't mod their cars therefore wont need discounted turbos/zorsts/whatever so they wont wanna pay and will have to leave the site because there would be no point in staying.
People that want the discounts and wanna become a member of the 200SX club will pay, but paying a fee to post on a message board is a bit weird.
Just my thoughts. Laters people

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[This message has been edited by bond_200 (edited 21-10-2001).]

[Keith_C]

No - post thoughts as its everyones club, and we want to try and please as many people as possible.

Current trend seems to be towards a completely free in all areas BB (viewing, posting, etc), with possibly a members only section if people want it.

All other benefits of the club (discounts, events etc) would need membership before being allowed to TAKE PART though, with non-member spectators being welcome.

Is this right?

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Keith
UK Supras resident lurker

[Papa Lazarou]

Originally posted by Keith_C:
No - post thoughts as its everyones club, and we want to try and please as many people as possible.

Current trend seems to be towards a completely free in all areas BB (viewing, posting, etc), with possibly a members only section if people want it.

All other benefits of the club (discounts, events etc) would need membership before being allowed to TAKE PART though, with non-member spectators being welcome.

Is this right?



Absolutely no arguments from me over this! I was worried for a while the whole thing was going to become a paying members only area.. Which I think would be a big mistake. Thankfully it would appear thats not the case.

[Jezz_S13]

Sounds good Keith.

I WILL become a member (assuming I'm welcome) so don't consider this as a personal benefit statement.

But with regards to events instead of making them exclusively members only, how about members concessions or perhaps the better way of looking at it, non-members pay more? With members getting priority over non-members for places if limited.
Obviously this could be dependant on the type of event.
This may encourage non-members to come to events then join later. Just a thought.

I'm still concerned about the possibility of a members area on the BB, the word 'clique' has been written many times in the last couple of days & I think it should be avoided.
Potential new members should be made to feel welcome with regard to the board, more chance of them becoming fully paid up members. The idea of an elite on the board is not a good one. It would probably just lead to members only posting in the members area wheter that was the intention or not.

Thanks for listening http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif,

Back to painting my bootlid then, before it rains. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/frown.gif

Jezz.

[This message has been edited by Jezz_S13 (edited 21-10-2001).]

[Keith_C]

Bloody good idea that Jezz - and exactly how the SIDC do things.

Right - so the BB should remain free and open to all - no members area or anything.

Events will be open to all, but non-members will have to pay say 10% more, and also face the possibility of losing their place to a member, albeit with full refund.

Extra money obtained from non-members will go into the club 'treasury' which will be used for all the things people expect from a club and their money - free grub at events, hiring of photographers, etc.

Sound reasonable?

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UK Supras resident lurker

[Jezz_S13]

Cheers Keith. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif

Sounds good, especially the '...free grub at events...' bit.

Who is the SIDC? The Supra club?

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Jezz Palmer.
Grey '92 S13, S14 T28, SAAB FMIC, SE Stage 2, Cybercraft Induction Kit, Blitz FATT-S.

[Keith_C]

SIDC = Subaru Impreza Drivers Club

My boss is the IT Officer of it, and his wife the Secretary, so I have a couple of good sources for how to run a club http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif

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Keith
UK Supras resident lurker

[bond_200]

Thats the **** that I'm talking about Keith! Keep it up matey! http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

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K&N, ND DV, Mongoose, Ecotek
Skyline Spoiler http://www.contrabandent.com/pez1/otn/evil/mboesgrins.gif

[turbo pete]

This is a really long thread. Loads of good ideas about how to bring the site and club on and develop it. I reckon the amount of posts and development of ideas is due to the fact that it is free to post and read.

Here's my views.

1. The board is free to view and post. Consider how much shorter this thread would have been if some contributors had had to pay. I think also that you get alot of people who don't have 200sx's visiting the site and contributing - so paying to post would seem like a bad idea to me.

2. The idea of paying a sum to become a member of the club seems sensible to me. Most owners clubs charge £10- £20 for membership. If this benefited the site and club managers as well as the members through deals etc it can only be a good thing.

3. I also like the idea of charging a percentage to non members for events and giving preference to members. That's fair. if people don't like it they can pay the £20 or whatever. £20ish is nothing these days. Couldn't get p*****d on that.

4. I like the idea of separating topics and making them more specific. It is inevitable that people are going to make friends and want to chat and swap irrelevant stories and jokes. However, as a teacher I don't want to log on quietly whilst all my kids are working quietly and discover two fat sumo's on my screen when I am expecting info on T28 turbos etc.. I think that new members should read and agree to some simple rules before being allowed to post along the lines of...


a. Posts are made under the appropriate headings.
b. Rude stuff and irrelevant pics be kept totally on the non 200sx part of the meassage board.
c. Replies are relevant to the original question.
d. Regarding humour, I am fine with people having a laugh and taking the p***. But I can understand how it would annoy someone who had put up a genuine plea for help only to get a load of pi** taking. So humour should be kept for the non 200sx board or be relevant to some constructive reply.

Rules like these would benefit everyone whilst ensuring all contributors would continue to enjoy the benefits of this message board.

5. I think it is a good idea that peolep be allowed to make donations to the club anonymously. There must be some rich devils out there with money to burn. (Hoiw about a speel chacker as wel).

6. Someone suggested that there be less topics to post under. I think what we have now is just about right. However, I think it might be useful to have another topic along the lines of Suggestions for club/site development+. You could also post requests for assistance in running the site and perhaps alleviate some of the work load on certain members. This would also allow the numerous good ideas people have to be presented to all.

Finally, I would like to thank all the contributors and moderators and anyone else who is involved in making this site what it is. It is essential that we all consider each others expectations and ensure that we get a happy medium which everyone can enjoy regardless of whether you wnat to run a 200sx as standard or soup it up to oblivion and beyond.

Cheers all
Turbo pete

[Richy_Boy]

I could get pi$$ed on £20! http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/rolleyes.gif

...the shame.

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Fed up with everyone having longer Sigs...
'91 Graphite Grey S13
Janspeed Exhaust, ND Dump Valve, K&N,
ND Actuator, Chassis Dynamic Springs, Koni Adj. Shocks, 17" Wheelz
ND Boost Gauge, Uprated Turbo Oil Pipe, Ecotek Valve, NGK Cooler Spark Plugs
Clifford Turbo Timer, Pioneer, Caliber and Bazooka ICE :)
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