DAMMIT CURSES ARSE DAMN!

[SXOC Admin]

Crap, was in traffic today listening to my toons when suddenly my car is engulfed in smoke. I think "oh god that can only be me", and yep it was.

The car is puking out blue smoke at hot idle, looks like either my turbos seals are knackered or the turbo itself is. The turbo isn't making any untoward noises, and seems to be boosting ok, just a little less, say 10psi instead of the normal 12-14 psi. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/confused.gif

Looks like I may have to get the T3 sooner than expected, which is a pain really because I had other things that I wanted to do first, ie the brakes and wheels. Never mind. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Anyone agree with my diagnosis? The block itself sounds fine, no nasty bigend rattles just hte injectors ticking away happily. I am curious though, I was told once, that on the s13 if you have blowing exhaust/turbo gaskets it can shaft your turbo after a while? http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/confused.gif is that true? http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/confused.gif

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Dave Refault
Owner - Nissan200sx Web
S13 - Mild Mods.

[Chimp]

errk.. sounds like turbo seals dave. If you wait until its cold unplug the air intake to the turbo and feel the wheel, any significant in/out play on it and its goosed, otherwise it can be resealed, but probably for the same price as a t3 http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/frown.gif

Welcome to our club. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif

[Jezz_S13]

Does sound like a seals, I'm sure that I saw some where that you can buy a kit for about $120 to fix it. Please someone back me up on this.

Other than 'just a bit' does anyone know how much play there should be in the turbo rotor in the x,y,z directions?

Me thinking 'bout doing a turbo job whilst engine is in bits, cos not totally convinced that my seals aren't leaking.

How much of a bitch is the T3 job? And how much cash?

How about a twin turbo (nice picture on NTOC web site).



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Please take nothing I say literally; even I don't believe it.

[cashflewn]

i would have to agree it does sound like the turbo,iam not sure why blown gaskets cause the turbo to go but apparently its true.why do you want a t3 why not a t28?a t28 fits straight on well nearly but im told a t3 is a right bitch to fit but i could be talking crapas i usualy get things arse about face

[SXOC Admin]

*sigh* Does anyone know the TOTAL cost for a T3 fitting? Including parts and labour?

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Dave Refault
Owner - Nissan200sx Web
S13 - Mild Mods.

[Chimp]

Stuy had his done for 400 notes including turbo. T3's go for around £150 quid.

[Jezz_S13]

£150 quid, where from?

What mounting/oil/water mods are req'd?

Again, I think I saw somewhere perhaps dreaming, that someone was selling the mounting kit for £70. Christ knows where though.

If it can be done for that I'm up for it, can't these boost to about 30psi?

Jezz.

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Please take nothing I say literally; even I don't believe it.

[SXOC Admin]

Right, erm, ok I need to know what is cheaper to do, T28 or T3, this hasn't come at a good time for me. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/frown.gif I'm strapped for cash as it is......

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Dave Refault
Owner - Nissan200sx Web
S13 - Mild Mods.

[Clong]

Will you need to set up the T3 properly?. ND website talk about doing the T3 conversion themselves so they set it up, but what's actually involved. Does same apply for the T28 conversion?

I think a hybrid T28 from ND id about £650, but there is no fitting kit required(?).

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1990 Blue S13
Mongoose 'zorst
K&N, ND Boost upgrade.

http://www.ihs4ever.com/~cwm/otn/violent/itschy.gif

[This message has been edited by Clong (edited 06-07-2001).]

[andyf]

Stuy had some 'dodgy dealing' with his Turbo, I'm sure I remember - must have been a good deal on that aerospace Glue he used to stick it in place.

Also, why is it that so many people seem to be having the mass blue-smoke ejection issue now? Myself and Matt_J both have this (him more than me now, he he!), there's been a thread on this mentioned as the Smoke Screen effect oo something, and now Dave's turbo's gone too?

I would have thought this was fixed by putting in a new turbo - new turbo, new seals, more resistant etc. but Matt's having the problem now he has the T28, unless he managed to break it already..

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Graphite Grey S13
HKS Hiper Muffler / KYB Shocks / ChassisDyamics Springs - w00t, what a drift!
- All comments are based on personal opinion -

[dave_s13]

Don't disasters come in three's.....
wonder who's next?

Just failed my MOT had 2 punctures last month and my exhaust's about to fall off.

Please not me Please not me Please not me Please not me Please not me Please not me Please not me Please not me Please not me Please not me Please not me Please not me.



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****in shut up woman, the car was supposed to slide like that...

[SXOC Admin]

Hmm, decided to go for the T28 Hybrid. Great I'm looking at about a grand to get it all sorted (my gaskets are knackered). http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/frown.gif


Crap

Arse

Crap.

http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/frown.gif

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Dave Refault
Owner - Nissan200sx Web
S13 - Mild Mods.

[Funb0b]

Bummer Dave

But when its done less boost more hp Kool

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Barry S13 89

T28,FMIC,LSD,RLATC/LC/FTS,Wilwood 4 pots,Nismo Quick Shift,Blitz Nur Spec R,Blitz Dual TT,Apexi SuperAVR-R.

Coming Soon: JE low compression forged pistons & ring's,L/B polished conrods, knife edged crank, L/W crank pulley, 550cc injectors, P&P head, Inlet Cam & Cam gear's, custom map & fingers crossed.

[Chimp]

Crikey. Dunno if Id pay a grand for a T28 to be fitted Dave :/

The T28 is just as different as the T3 except theres a million T3's for sale off cossies that have been upgraded for wonderful prices.

Jez - Standard T3 will hold 25 psi, but your engine wont http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif

[cashflewn]

ive just ordered a t28 with a 360 thrust from turbo actine for 600quid and comes with gaskets and oil pipe.aparently you have to make an air inlet flange as the t28 has a flat face for the air inlet instead of the pipe jubilee clip arrangement on the t25,also the air outlet has to be altered just an elbow i think the rest is the same.hope that helps

[Clong]

What were your reasons for the T28 Dave, and not the T3, i only ask 'cos i am more or less going to go down the same route myself, partly because i can't bothered to muller the manifold and down pipes to fit the T3 and partly because of the smoother power delivery of the T28 (had some bloody hairy momnets in the wet). Grand is a bit steep though, can't you fit yourself and save some dosh?

Holy smokes i'm a flame spitter!!!!
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1990 Blue S13
Mongoose 'zorst
K&N, ND Boost upgrade.

http://www.ihs4ever.com/~cwm/otn/violent/itschy.gif

[This message has been edited by Clong (edited 06-07-2001).]

[Funb0b]

Having been in 200's with t3 & t28's I have to admit that there is little to choose between them apart from the smoother up take of the t28 which has a benefit on the road.

Having looked at the frankinsteins monstor of a fitting kit that ND do for the t3 put me off and they wanted 400+£'s for it. Both units are able to produce high boost levels way beyond what the standard internals & fuel system can handle.

There are less new car being produced with t3's so these cheaper units could dissapear over time.

This is just my opinion & NOT fact.

Barry

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Barry S13 89

T28,FMIC,LSD,RLATC/LC/FTS,Wilwood 4 pots,Nismo Quick Shift,Blitz Nur Spec R,Blitz Dual TT,Apexi SuperAVR-R.

Coming Soon: JE low compression forged pistons & ring's,L/B polished conrods, knife edged crank, L/W crank pulley, 550cc injectors, P&P head, Inlet Cam & Cam gear's, custom map & fingers crossed.

[Chimp]

There are a few reasons why I would consider a T3 though. Firstly should whichever turbo you replace your broken one with break in the future. T3's are really cheap to recon. And with a T28 or a T3 ideally you want a nice intercooler as the standard one will just strangle the boost before it gets its end caps blown off. Even at standard psi theres a great deal more air flowing. And with the money saved on a T3, theres a hefty chunk towards a nice FMIC, unless you already have one http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif

Dave - also if you are strapped for cash, dont forget if it has just happened today, the likelyhood is that damage is minimal. It may well be able to be saved. And thats a piddly (?) £180 for a reseal/service and rebalance.

Good luck

[SXOC Admin]

The reason I said a grand was because.

The price of the turbo
The gaskets
The labour
The rolling road setup and tune time.

Which all adds up! Sigh. Odd though, I just took my girlfriends brother out, I was expecting it to be belching smoke everywhere but nope! Good as gold and as quick as ever! Now I'm REALLY confused! http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/confused.gif

Oh well, I'm gonna have to live with it for awhile cos I have to wait untiil I can get the money together. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/frown.gif

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Dave Refault
Owner - Nissan200sx Web
S13 - Mild Mods.

[Chimp]

hehe... ahh well.. alls well that ends well. I reckon its deffo the seals then, just weeping the odd drop of oil into the downpipe. It will come and go, but as in most cases you will find its perfect when you dont care about it but the moment you pull up at lights where there is another nice car present or worse, females. It will guff a plume out for you.

[olly200sx]

I have specified this before that if it only does it when its hot and at idle then it will be the valve stem oil seals leaking oil past. Had this before and cured it completely once replaced !

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S13 - Lots of Mods

[Jezz_S13]

That's what mine does. Nail on the head olly. He says all excited.

Please vote for

Head Seals Shagged or Turbo Seals Shagged.

I pray it's the head in my case as I'm fixing it very soon anyway. I'd prefer not to buy/fix a turbo too.


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Please take nothing I say literally; even I don't believe it.

[kerfumph]

So whats a seal trade for??? http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Graham
90' s13
A happy chappy

[Jezz_S13]

What sort of seal?

Turbo seal, Valve seal or a Clubbed seal?



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Please take nothing I say literally; even I don't believe it.

[Paul_S13]

I had the thrust bearing in my turbo got when I went to the Jap car show at Billing, some ****head pulled me over and asked if my car was on fire! http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/mad.gif

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Black S13
235Bhp @ 5600rpm
Saab intercooler
Big ass HKS 'zorst
http://www.contrabandent.com/pez/otn/puke/repuke.gif

[Paul_Ralph]

Am I the only person to have blue smoke on and off because the oil control rings have gone. Has anyone else pressure tested their engine and what results did you get?? Mine increased dramatically with the addition of a small amount of oil. ie. rings/bores worn. I have fitted a new head and turbo this year so I know rings worn as all else is fine.