Suggestions thread

[Evilchap]

I know everybody likes to rant, and vent, so here's your thread for it.

What ideally I'd like to see here is people perhaps suggesting ideas for wheel related products they'd like to see.

Maybe if you're a budding designer or wheel snob, you'd like to post up a sketch of a wheel you think would be cool that is new and exciting?

I am not talking adding a dish to an existing wheel here, or making an existing wheel larger or smaller in diameter. This is the place to let the imagination run wild, and to get the creative juices flowing. :D

As the biggest Rota distributor in the world, we can make new designs happen. We can do this based on what people are asking for on places like this, and you can give real input if you're interested.

If you just want to come and rant about copies, fair enough, suggest something better and you might be suprised and maybe even feel the need to rant subside :)

[Evilchap]

It's good to know we're doing everything right, and nobody can see any different ways forward they'd like to see :D

[Daz]

I might throw some ideas at you :D

[docwra]

Weds are making some amazing wheels atm. SA67R, Kranze Bazreia, SA70 are all awesome, perhaps you guys could "interpret" those designs a little ;)

Titanium lips look nice if they are done right but seem pretty rare, as do Titamiun wheel nuts. A decent new "mesh" type design would be a big seller as well I reckon :thumbs:

If you really want to do something different, people (including me) are crying out for a company that can put new hoops on 3 piece wheels :nod:

Oh, and I think you definitely need a widearch 350Z showcar as well. :thumbs:

[kingj]

Agree with Doc, if you could do some wide low offset mesh style wheels in 15-17" I think they would sell well:nod: Also get you bbs le mans copies in decent offsets with good lips and in 18s:thumbs:

[Evilchap]

We'd very much like to get away from eminating existing designs. We'll look around for inspiration, as any manufacturer will, but new ideas are the answer.

Mesh designs we can do :) I'll get some ideas together.

We can get hoops I am sure, but they'll by default be for existing wheels. This will likely mean getting them direct, which will mean they cost, which many people are not fans of things costing :wack:

[SX_BIG]

why dont you run a little competition throughout various website ( which you use etc#)

get people to submit ideas, then get people to vote on their favorite... winner wins his set of wheels when they are eventually made?


EDIT: my submit ideas, i mean literally draw they designs up

[Evilchap]

Sounds good to me :D

[SX_BIG]

..can we open the to competition to me only.. and ill draw my perfect set of wheels?

deal :D

[BaldyBastard]

What about some branching out into split rims?
Obviously incorporating existing designs.. gives the scopes for the low offset and wide rims people are always craving - if on a mass produced scale this would obviously bring the price down and demand is always there for sexy wheels :D

[Evilchap]

The thing with split rims would be that they'd need to be kept in component form, and possibly would be a pain to make up...

Rota did make split rims before though, I'll investigate some options :)

SX BIG - Draw some wheels, feel free, if we like them, they will happen, it's pretty much that simple (obviously engineering goes on in the background, and testing etc, but we have to start with a design)

[Actual_Ben_Taylor]

What about designing a 2 piece wheel with a barrel and centre that can be mounted both ways round?

This would give the option for both high and low offset and the option to mount the centre in front or behind giving even more variation in possible offsets...

[Evilchap]

would look a bit odd I suspect, as the back of a wheel where it mounts to the hub stands proud, obviously, so you'd end up with a big bit sticking out the front... would make for seriously long stud requirements :(

Could make them like all the JDM wheels, where they just come with a bolt on spacer to make them the offset you want, after all, it's cool and OK if they do it, so if we have an orignal wheel and do this it should be acceptable?

[Actual_Ben_Taylor]

would look a bit odd I suspect, as the back of a wheel where it mounts to the hub stands proud, obviously, so you'd end up with a big bit sticking out the front... would make for seriously long stud requirements :(

Could make them like all the JDM wheels, where they just come with a bolt on spacer to make them the offset you want, after all, it's cool and OK if they do it, so if we have an orignal wheel and do this it should be acceptable?

I don't think you get what I mean :)

Centre mounted in front:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3985/picture010xz3.jpg

Centre mounted behind:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1586/picture005v.jpg

Now also imagine the barrel could be mounted either way round to either give large dish / low offset or less dish / higher offset...

[Daz]

I don't think you get what I mean :)

I get what you mean :D

[Actual_Ben_Taylor]

Oh and then make some cool centrelock adaptors/wheels like the Impul ones :D

[Evilchap]

I see now :) Flip the barrel not the centre, or mount the centre either side of the barrel.

[Evilchap]

Centrelocks.... now they would be cool.

A variety of PCD to CL adapters, then the wheels would not need to have anything other than a centre bore drilled.

Be good for track / drift people too, fast wheel changing!

[Daz]

One bonus you could have with doing what Ben Taylor has suggested is that you can have a various selection of outer rims and then loads of variants for the center rim with different PCD or style.

Would give you the option for alot of wheel designs in one then.

[Evilchap]

I have been doing some more thinking about this, and mixing centre-lock and 2-piece wheels will allow for some serious variety...

I need to sit down in a darkened room and do some sums, as it's possible to order some pretty stupid offset combinations by accident with these :wack:

[Actual_Ben_Taylor]

I have been doing some more thinking about this, and mixing centre-lock and 2-piece wheels will allow for some serious variety...

I need to sit down in a darkened room and do some sums, as it's possible to order some pretty stupid offset combinations by accident with these :wack:

Just so you know its possible :)

http://www.forgeline.com/products/accessories-finishes/center-lock-conversion/center-lock-conversion.html?seo_category_name=center-lock-conversion&seo_product_name=center-lock-conversion&large=1&asdf=3

http://www.forgeline.com/product_images/product_photo-xlarge_image-359.jpg

[immy21]

Some LED dashboard lights, sure it would make a good group buy;):D

[Evilchap]

Those Forgeline people know how to charge! I think it's safe to say if we do this, it wont be $1600 for a kit :wack:

http://www.forgeline.com/product_images/product_photo-xlarge_image-362.jpg

Looks to me like getting the numbers right for flipping the barrels is essential. As much as people might like dish, this might be a challenge for even the most hardened wheel fans.

[Actual_Ben_Taylor]

Those Forgeline people know how to charge! I think it's safe to say if we do this, it wont be $1600 for a kit :wack:

http://www.forgeline.com/product_images/product_photo-xlarge_image-362.jpg

Looks to me like getting the numbers right for flipping the barrels is essential. As much as people might like dish, this might be a challenge for even the most hardened wheel fans.

Do the centrelock adapters for the current range of wheels first :)

[Daz]

Here you go Ben,

I wanted to brush up on some Sketchup skills so came up with these as a few ideas. See what the Reactions are :thumbs:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DemonEscortS/Sketchup%20Images/Wheels.jpg

[Evilchap]

Nice one Daz :D

[Kieran_E1]

Centrelocks.... now they would be cool.

A variety of PCD to CL adapters, then the wheels would not need to have anything other than a centre bore drilled.

Be good for track / drift people too, fast wheel changing!

only main problem i can foresee with cl is if it's not tight there is only one ( big ) nut holding the wheel on istead of 5. if it falls off your fooked.

oh p.s. you puting in christmas overtime ben?

[Evilchap]

Haha, I am always on here, you know that :wack:

[Daz]

Nice one Daz :D

Cheers :D

[Evilchap]

Hi Daz

Can you calculate the offset from your drawing of those rears?

They look cool, but also like they have to be mental offset...

[Daz]

Hi Daz

Can you calculate the offset from your drawing of those rears?

They look cool, but also like they have to be mental offset...

I didn't really think about offsets of width's when doing these as I just wanted to mess around a bit with them.

The one on the far right is near enough 18x13J ET-10, (This wheel is drawn with a 55mm dish and 100mm concaved spokes)

2nd from the right is 18x9.5 ET-50 :wack: (This is drawn with 30mm dish, 75mm concaved spokes)

The far left image is about 18x10.5 ET+10 which is more realistic for you guys.

It's the dish combined with the concaved spokes that kills it.

What are your most popular wheel sizes and offsets you sell and I'll redo them to suit that. Let me know what they are for 9.5J, 10J, 11J 12J and 13J if you go that far.

I'm guesing for 200's it's:

18x9.5 ET30
18x9.5 ET12

I'm having another night in tonight so I can tweak those designs to what sizes you want without any hassle :thumbs:

[Evilchap]

Nice one :D

Essentially 18x10 or 18x9.5 ET30 and ET12 are very popular, not all for 200s.

Also, if you could find a way to make 18x11 ET50 look cool, you'd be a legend :wack:

Fancy attempting the Slipsteam in 18" and concave?

[Daz]

Nice one :D

Essentially 18x10 or 18x9.5 ET30 and ET12 are very popular, not all for 200s.

Also, if you could find a way to make 18x11 ET50 look cool, you'd be a legend :wack:

Fancy attempting the Slipsteam in 18" and concave?

I've just altered the above design to be an 18x10 ET12 & ET30

Also done the same design as an 18x11 ET50 :ghey:

Will post them once they have finished rendering :)

What width and offset for the slipstream?

[Evilchap]

Slipstream 18x9 ET25 / ET35, 18x10 ET35, 18x10 ET12 if possible :thumbs:

You need touch up paint? ;)

[Daz]

Right here we go.

From left to right
18x10 ET30
18x10 ET12
18x11 ET50 (note the lack of any dish on that one, still concaved spokes though)

:thumbs:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DemonEscortS/Sketchup%20Images/Wheels-Realistic.jpg
Yeah I need to get some touch up paint, I clipped a kerb on my mint alloys on saturday :(.

I'll have a go a sorting the slipstreams out tonight for you :thumbs:

[Daz]

Slipstream 18x9 ET25 / ET35, 18x10 ET35, 18x10 ET12 if possible :thumbs:

You need touch up paint? ;)

From left to right - Slipstream 18x9 ET25 / ET35, 18x10 ET12, 18x10 ET35

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DemonEscortS/Sketchup%20Images/RotaSlipstreams.jpg

[Evilchap]

Can you do me some views of them from other angles please matey?

Generally the face stays the same for the same wheel but differing offset, the centre just gets moved slightly, I'll grab a pic in the morning to show you what I mean :)

Slipstreams are my favourite, and I want Rota to make them BIG, so this will hopefully help with that :thumbs: :D

[Daz]

Can you do me some views of them from other angles please matey?

Generally the face stays the same for the same wheel but differing offset, the centre just gets moved slightly, I'll grab a pic in the morning to show you what I mean :)

Slipstreams are my favourite, and I want Rota to make them BIG, so this will hopefully help with that :thumbs: :D

Yeah, will sort the views out now for you :).

The centre part of the wheels moves in or out depending on the offset of the wheel. If you have all the spokes concaved the same across the range then they would all pretty much be nealy flat like the 9J ET35's.

I've done them the same as how the GTR 8,5J is different to the GTR 9.5J.

Here's them in a funky red I thought I'd try for a giggle :).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DemonEscortS/Sketchup%20Images/RotaSlipstreams-Red.jpg

[Daz]

:thumbs:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DemonEscortS/Sketchup%20Images/RotaSlipstreams2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DemonEscortS/Sketchup%20Images/RotaSlipstreams3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DemonEscortS/Sketchup%20Images/RotaSlipstreams4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DemonEscortS/Sketchup%20Images/RotaSlipstreams5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DemonEscortS/Sketchup%20Images/RotaSlipstreams6.jpg

[Evilchap]

I think we will name it the Daz :D

I see what you're saying about the concave etc. It's likely 2 moulds would be made, one for front type sizes and 1 for rear, and a few different offsets from each.

I am really liking them though - you're a star :D

[Daz]

I think we will name it the Daz :D

I see what you're saying about the concave etc. It's likely 2 moulds would be made, one for front type sizes and 1 for rear, and a few different offsets from each.

I am really liking them though - you're a star :D

Ah I have no idea how they make wheels, I thought it was a different mould for each size.
Aren't I good to you :D, spent probably about 10 hours in total on all of those, that would be £500 at work lol. :D

Just don't call it DAZ, thats already taken :wack:

http://www.uk.pg.com/images/dazTablets_01_IL.jpg

[cChance]

Im liking the most recent ones just posted by "Daz" are definately very very nice! Liking the difference in concave, not 100% whether i would prefer a teeny teeny bit more concave on the front, but id still part with the cash, if i had it :wack:

[Polo2]

How about these!! There probs my fav wheels!! Just Rota grids with some dish prety much!
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x158/DKapt/Yuri%20projects/S13/ChicaneS13front.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x158/DKapt/Yuri%20projects/S13/ChicaneS13rear.jpg

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x158/DKapt/Yuri%20projects/S13/PC030013-1.jpg

[Evilchap]

They're pretty smart Polo :thumbs:

We're just waiting for the thumbs up on forged wheels, from Rota, then designs can get more crazy and weights and keep on tumbling :D

Daz, I do appreciate your efforts, hopefully this has also helped get your eye back in on your drawing program :thumbs: I'd say it's working a treat ;) I'll get you some pics tomorrow of some wheels to give you an idea of what changes with different offset :thumbs:

[Daz]

They're pretty smart Polo :thumbs:

We're just waiting for the thumbs up on forged wheels, from Rota, then designs can get more crazy and weights and keep on tumbling :D

Daz, I do appreciate your efforts, hopefully this has also helped get your eye back in on your drawing program :thumbs: I'd say it's working a treat ;) I'll get you some pics tomorrow of some wheels to give you an idea of what changes with different offset :thumbs:

No worries, I look forward to the pics tomorrow to see what you mean.

I don't mind doing more models if you need them :thumbs:.

It's helping me get back into the program nicely as I've been using it for 5 days solid at work but it's been a few months since I last used it. It's the rendering program to produce stuff like this that I use for work.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DemonEscortS/Sketchup%20Images/Scene5.jpg

[Polo2]

Nothing changes with offset, its the width that changes the look of the wheel.

From my understanding, youl have one mold for each width, then once out of the mold the flat face is machined that mates to the hub, how much is machined off is what changes the offset. Obviously the wheel nut holes are also cut at this stage to, so they get the correct depth engaugment for differant offsets.

[Evilchap]

That's largely the case Polo.

It's sort of hard to put in words, I'll throw up a couple of pics in the morning.

Most people dont realise that a 9.5 ET12 has the same concave as 9.5 ET35. Yes the 9.5 could probably have loads more, if the same mould didn't need to produce the ET35... This is potentially where centrelock wheels and hub adapters come in, as they'll be the easiest things to do spacers for ever :D

[remo]

polo that strawberry faced rs13 is sexual....

[Daz]

Nothing changes with offset, its the width that changes the look of the wheel.

From my understanding, youl have one mold for each width, then once out of the mold the flat face is machined that mates to the hub, how much is machined off is what changes the offset. Obviously the wheel nut holes are also cut at this stage to, so they get the correct depth engaugment for differant offsets.

Thanks Paul.

I thought I'd search youtube and it saves the day for me. Very impressive stuff, that flowforming looks pretty cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq1YyzWS5bw&feature=related

[Polo2]

polo that strawberry faced rs13 is sexual....

Strawberry? Where?? Its s14a face not s15 lol

[Daz]

Strawberry? Where?? Its s14a face not s15 lol

and it's a PS13 not an RS13 :)

[zeppelin101]

Ooo this looks like a good excuse to start messing about with 3DS Max again. I think I'll have a play over the weekend :D

[Evilchap]

Here we go:

18x9.5 ET12:
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af175/rarerims/101220101789.jpg
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af175/rarerims/101220101788.jpg
18x9.5 ET30:
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af175/rarerims/101220101791.jpg
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af175/rarerims/101220101792.jpg

As you can see, same size, same concave, just different in the very centre :)

[Evilchap]

It's helping me get back into the program nicely as I've been using it for 5 days solid at work but it's been a few months since I last used it. It's the rendering program to produce stuff like this that I use for work.


Looks like your work has nice textures for everything except carpet :wack:

[Daz]

As you can see, same size, same concave, just different in the very centre :)

Ah yeah. I see what you mean now. So its the back section where the studs come through just moves to suit the offset.

I'll have another go a doing the slipstreams based on that then. The more concaved the better yeah :D

[Evilchap]

Yeah, concave is good. Generally you can have concave, or you can have dish. If you have both, the offsets and widths go wild, for a wheel that will have to be produced and sold in numbers rather than random one-off sets like some brands, they cant be too insane :(

[Daz]

Oh, Ben, can you measure the depth of the fixing holes where the studs come through :)

[Evilchap]

The bit that's just hole is about 6mm. On top of that is the 60 degree taper where the nuts sit.

The thickness of the centre part is approx. 18mm overall, curved at the edges where it joins the spoked parts rather than being a 90 degree step.

Does that make sense? All this talk of nuts and holes is making me worry about myself :wack:

[Daz]

The bit that's just hole is about 6mm. On top of that is the 60 degree taper where the nuts sit.

The thickness of the centre part is approx. 18mm overall, curved at the edges where it joins the spoked parts rather than being a 90 degree step.

Does that make sense? All this talk of nuts and holes is making me worry about myself :wack:

Makes perfect sense :D.

It's friday so go to your missus and discuss your nuts and holes lol.

[Daz]

Ben, got one more question for you. What is the min distance from the mounting face to the back edge of the spoke? I'm guessing about 15-20mm for that.

[Daz]

Ben,

Slipstream concaved - 18x10 ET35 & 18x9 ET35

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DemonEscortS/Sketchup%20Images/RotaSlipstream-Dished-18x9ET35-18x10ET35-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DemonEscortS/Sketchup%20Images/RotaSlipstream-Dished-18x9ET35-18x10ET35-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DemonEscortS/Sketchup%20Images/RotaSlipstream-Dished-18x9ET35-18x10ET35-3.jpg

Chucked on an S15 I grabbed off the net :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DemonEscortS/Sketchup%20Images/RotaSlipstream-Dished-18x9ET35-18x10ET35-4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/DemonEscortS/Sketchup%20Images/RotaSlipstream-Dished-18x9ET35-18x10ET35-5.jpg

[Evilchap]

Now those are stunning :D I just passed them on to Rota via messenger, they also are liking them :D

[Daz]

Now those are stunning :D I just passed them on to Rota via messenger, they also are liking them :D

Sweet. :D, feel free to send the first set to me if they make them :D.