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Well im off to the Nurburgring on the 15th of August and the car is nowhere near ready or upto scratch to give itself a good showing over there.
Its my first time going over with a bunch of mates who have been 3 or 4 times so im not expecting to challenge them but i want to have a good car underneath me :) The other cars going being, 350z,S2 Lotus Elise, Mk2 golf, stripped and caged, A3 Quattro
so heres what im working with:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/Picture016.jpg
currently motionless and waiting its 2nd uprated clutch :(
Spec:
Stage 1 278bhp running 1 bar
Walbro
IK22's
Blitz Nur Spec
Decat
Decat Front pipe
Exedy st1 Clutch (dead)
APT refaced flywheel (getting replaced with a fresh one)
AVCR
Defi Boost Gauge
Defi HUD
K-Sport Seat
K-Sport Harness
Apex Coilovers
Front Stut Brace
Rear Strut Brace
R32 GTR Front Calipers
296mm grooved/dimpled Discs
Mintex 1144 Pads
Blackstuff rear pads
Dot 5.1 Fluid
This list of things to do is constantly growing but had a good day today on my day off getting some work done whilst im waiting for parts to come.
the list consists of:
New wider wheels
Tyres for said wheels
Clutch
Flywheel
Fit new plugs
Change Rocker Cover
Fit Headunit
Fit Speakers
Anti Roll Bars
Camber Arms
Front TC arms
(may invest in Apex's whole kit whilst its on offer)
350z Brembos
New Front Discs
new Front Pads
Get aligment set up
Stage 2 chip + fit the Nismo injectors which have been sitting for long enough
Get exhuast Quieter to around 95dB
Fit Aircon Rad
Buy Hubcentric spacers
Helmet
Gloves
and if theres time:
re-do turbo gaskets
change inlet fannymold gaskets
In amonst this i have tax and MOT due
time remaining: 28 days and counting :wack:
Right -
So at the end of last week I ordered another Exedy stage 1 clutch and refaced flywheel from APT, just waiting for it to arrive then can get it fitted and have the car moving again
So to start off I had always been hunting for wheels and needed some cheapish, light and pref 17's for cheaper tyres, so what else would you buy really?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/288b_1.jpg
Not in the greatest of condition but onl 1 bit of kerbing the rest just scuffs and scrapes, so theyll do for me :)
Needed some tyres for them though, purchased some 245/45/17's for the back and 225/45/17's for the front from Camskill for a decent price.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/STH70525.jpg
And fitted.......
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/Picture022.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/Picture023.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/Picture024.jpg
5mm spacer on the front for clearance, just misses the coilover and no more!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/Picture025.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/Picture026.jpg
With that done and no clutch yeat I had to sort a niggly speaker problem.
the Drivers door speaker wasnt working, so i bought 4 of these:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/Picture028.jpg
nothing silly just a nice cheap upgrade, fitted the speakers and the drivers door speaker still didnt work :cry: then realised it did work when the radio was played, but not with CD's. thatll be the cd changer then :annoyed: Have a new Sony USB/MP3 headunit on order, should be here tomorrow for the trvalling tuuuuuuuunes! :cool:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/Picture027.jpg
with that done I fixed a couple of niggly bits, relocated a harness strap, fixed a wiper arm, checked brake pads and put the rubber boot rings back on :whip: then called it a day :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/Picture030.jpg
so thats where im upto, hopefully the next update will consist of the clutch being done but im working the rest of the week to apy for it all so time working on it is limited :(
Man that is some seariously close clearnce! Hope all goes to plan! Like the wheels in silver much more fitting! :nod:
diamondsink
30-06-2008, 21:54
I found i got wheel wobble running a 5mm spacer with the same setup, as the wheel woundn't centralise on the hub. You can get away witha 3mm spacer which lets the wheel sit properly plus you get some extra threads.
I had to have the suspension set at a centain height so the lip went between the collar and spring (very close) but no wheel wobble and more secure. (sorry bout the pic on your thread but thought it may be helpful) good luck with the tune up matey!
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x59/diamondsink2000/DSC00105.jpg
You will easily do that :D with the working machine that is Graham at DCMS :Plug: we started that lot 10 hours before setting off for the ferry to the ring :wack: we also put the map in the ECU, changed rear hubs, rear brakes, custom brake pipes, turbo, manifold, stereo, loads of suspension stuff and did all the alignment, plus lots of other bits n bobs. As long as you have a garage and help, you will be fine :D:wave:
Jealous :nod: Looks hot on those wheels sir :thumbs:
Oh and I know the feeling, we go the week before you and my list is pretty large :wack:
They really should have had those wheels from the factory :nod:
Looking great :thumbs:
They really should have had those wheels from the factory :nod:
Looking great :thumbs:
Agreed and agreed :thumbs:
I will hopefully be out there that weekend aswell, if you see a red MX5 with luminous wheels say hi :wack:
Do a couple of spirited drives on the road to make sure you don't get any tyre scrubbage!
thanks for the comments guys, it keeps me inspired to go out and get through the list rather than sit and drink stella :wack:
small update of todays work coming up......
Well today I had 3 things I wanted to do.......
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/01072008046.jpg
Fit my new Sony Mp3/USB headunit
Installed it in the bottom Din position, played fine and worked, put all the dash back in, went to change CD....whats this? oh the fascia cant open as it hits the dash :annoyed: feck, so out all the dash came again and refitted into the top din panel. works nicely though, so much better than standard.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/01072008050.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/01072008051.jpg
Fit new plugs: Denso IK24's for stage 2
nothng major, old IK22's had been in about 20k anyway and ive been having intermittent missfire probs at high revs (poss spark being blown out?) so fitted these first then if continues shall change coilpacks to the spares i have here.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/01072008057.jpg
old vs new
and fit this bit of Bling courtesy of Tinnysteve :Plug: on this board who put in all the work for this for me. Its not that shiny at the moment as my oily handprints were all over it :thumbs:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/01072008059.jpg
Gasket was a PITA to get into position and line up correctly but on my 5th go i think i got it :wack: put it all back together and fired her up, runs on 4, no wobbly revs and no oil peeing out the rocker cover - job done for today.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/01072008060.jpg
My clutch arrives tomorrow and being fitted monday, by then hopefully ill have some more nice gooides (alignment arms, st2 chip) to fit. Also remeber i want to get my aircon working (new condenser) before i go so i can keep nice and cool :cool:
im off for a mahoosive asda pizza and a crate of stella :smash::sleep:
Chriscooke
01-07-2008, 18:10
Love that rocker cover and carbon:nod: not so keen on the tape around the cd player mind:smash::D
haha i cant decide what to do with that slot, gauges or cd holder, the tape looks awesome in the dark :D
I will hopefully be out there that weekend aswell, if you see a red MX5 with luminous wheels say hi :wack:
Do a couple of spirited drives on the road to make sure you don't get any tyre scrubbage!
ill keep an eye out, ill be one of the 6 guys with scotland tshirts on :wack:
Chriscooke
01-07-2008, 18:14
haha i cant decide what to do with that slot, gauges or cd holder, the tape looks awesome in the dark :D
:D Gauges ftw:thumbs:
Hate to say it but new tyres are going to be shite.
I went to the ring with brand new FK452's, brilliant tyre for half a lap, then the overheat and you get no grip what so ever. I'll be going with cut slicks next time (ALL the locals run them)
On a side note, i have the same front brake setup as you, although i have Brembo grooved discs and Project Mu pads - amazing setup :thumbs:
Good luck, s14a's are surprisingly capable!!
my brother and I have a surprisingly similar project on the go with our S14, also aiming for a nurburgring trip in lat summer, although possibly a few weeks later than you... good luck with the build!!
We've got a list as long that's as my dong to get through, and all with only 2 more pay cheques each to do it all with AND pay for a shakedown airfield day and the trip across the water:( ...I'm praying for a bonus this weekend!! :whip:
Best of luck!
Jonty
ill keep an eye out, ill be one of the 6 guys with scotland tshirts on :wack:
I'll wait for yo to say hi to me then! :wack: :P Good luck getting it sorted in time
woop! shes ALIVE! new clutch and flywheel fitted, the old one is ruined, may chuck up some pics of the old 1 tomorrow for some giggles.
Ive got my uni graduation this week and its peeing with rain so progress is slow at the moment however fitting the new IK24's seems to have cured my intermittent missfire so happy days on that front, 1 more thing checked off the list.
Hate to say it but new tyres are going to be shite.
I went to the ring with brand new FK452's, brilliant tyre for half a lap, then the overheat and you get no grip what so ever. I'll be going with cut slicks next time (ALL the locals run them)
strongly dissagree, especially for some one going to the ring for the first time.
first trip to the ring I was on cut slicks, really grip well but you really need to know the track well as they will break out alot quicker than a more budget tyre. also the ring often has rain and then the slicks become dangerous (did 2 laps with standing water) and also the wet patches on exits of corners in the shade of the trees can be interesting and offputting for someone who really needs to be concentrating on other things for the first visit!
I ran 225,45,17 Fk452's on the front and 205,50,16 on the back of my 180sx at the ring a month ago. they didn't overheat, was really impressed with them as a budget tyre and was keeping up with track spec m3's and putting in around 8min laps.
admitadly there are better tyres out there but for the money there spot on and for a learning trip of the ring they will be perfect.
btw, cool project, good luck and have fun out there :D
How's your track knowledge? If you've never been, get hold of Gran Turismo 4 and also the DVD "In Car 956" - let Derek Bell show you the way around!
I went last year, and a couple of hundred laps (years ago) in Grand Prix Legends, plus the above and some YouTube videos, definitely paid off. It's not the same as real track time, but it's a lot better than attacking it blind - I did 8 laps in a variety of conditions, and came home with the car intact which was my main aim for the trip!
(I wasn't timing, but judging by 'nearest minute' on the clock I was running mid-11s in the dry, and a mid-12 minute in the damp/wet with standard power.)
Track knowledge is worth a lot of horsepower or suspension mods, and I think that's particularly true at the 'Ring - it's not like a track day where there are only half-a-dozen corners to get the hang of.
ive been watching videos (zonda setting the fastest production car lap:eek:) and been playing forza, although would prefer GT4, im not expecting to set the track alight, just have a solid car underneath me and enjoy the experience.
The Falken 452's i want to run for a fair while when i get back too as my everyday wheels, thats why i chose them, my budget couldnt stretch to much better.
well ive orderd a fair chunk of bits which im waiting to arrive from various peeps.
Apex adjustable alignment arms - bushed version
Apex Shiny hotpipe (bit of bling for the F&M show this weekend)
Apex shiny fannymold cover (felt it was getting a bit hot under the bonnet without one and for a bit of bling again)
thanks to Mike from apex for sorting me out with these :thumbs:
also was unhappy with my brakes after having a spirited drive with my new repsonsive powerz! and them not really repsonding so decided to take action, so i bought 350z brembo's all round and BMC, although ill prob only keep/fit the fronts.
also bought this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/17072008069.jpg
nice and cheap at £55 and will do the job for the ring and any other trackdays i do :) need to get some gloves to go with :D
historic moment
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/08072008062.jpg
still looking good for its age, hopefully more parts arrive tomorrow and i can get on fitting them.
"Anti-Scratch Visor"
...all well and good, but you can't see shit either can you?!!! :D
Ali200SX
18-07-2008, 09:49
Keep up updated bud, love this project....
Ali.
well was at totb yesterday so not had a chance to do much.
tried to get my old tc arms off to replace with new adjustables and the nuts are stuck solid so will need to think of another way or get the blow torch on them.
instead i had a tin of underseal which i thought id put on as much as i can to keep underneath a little cleaner, only a small tin so managed a coat on the drivers side arches and some of the floor.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/26072008090.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/26072008091.jpg
also just waiting for new brake discs for these and theyll be getting fitted too, hoping theyll be a massive difference from my already excellent r32 gtr alu calipers.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/06072008155.jpg
(thanks blaktooth for these :) )
tax due this week and mot on the 3rd so really need to get cracking on a bit.
18 days to go!
weiner_patrol
28-07-2008, 13:21
looking good man...after the obvious what have you got left to do? Or are you ready to attack the ring?
i need the alignment done, not enough feel through the steering.
would like my AVCR re-setup and try get a little less lag
oh and get the aircon working! :D
would still like to borrown your bung before i go if the offer is still there? :)
weiner_patrol
28-07-2008, 13:34
aye its still wrapped in the bubble wrap that it was sent in lol. Just let me know when you need it and come round for it :D
well after buying these
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/06072008155.jpg
they were missing discs in order to get fitted, so these turbed up today:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/04082008096.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/Ring/04082008098.jpg
pretty dam big discs! just need to get my car back from getting its mot done, and get them fitted and re-tune my AVCR before sundays SXOC RR day :thumbs: thanks to Dan @ DBpower for sorting me with these :thumbs:
have my old skyline R32 GTR brake setup in the for sale section if anyone wants :Plug:
then have my aligment arms to fit, new anti roll bars and then some laser alignment :D
Have a great trip.... :)
I went there in 2007 and drove a 9min27 in a Integra Type R with lots of people on the car and some rain :)!
What kinde of tyres are you driving on???
Hoping to be there in 2009 and get a time of 8min30 in my S14 :)
Have a great trip.... :)
I went there in 2007 and drove a 9min27 in a Integra Type R with lots of people on the car and some rain :)!
What kinde of tyres are you driving on???
Hoping to be there in 2009 and get a time of 8min30 in my S14 :)
thanks mate, i have brand new falken 452's a decent tyre, not looking to set the track alight, just enjoy it, i dont know the track enough to go killing it :)
booked in for full laser alignment the day before we go :D
well the day is getting ever closer! only 5 days to go and still loads to do!
Saturday: rolling road day with the scottish sxoc side and she made a healthy 304.7bhp with 296lbft overfuelling a little bit but nothing else to worry about :D
Today - went out and attacked the brakes, bought a big drill to enlarge the hub mounting holes to 14mm which went well but couldnt get the caliper mounted properly, 1 bolt was fine, the other would not bolt in, may have some damaged threads :(
got rained on about 4 times with some thunder storms so had to pack up and call it a day, its away into the garage tomorrow to have the antiroll bars,alignment arms and now my new brakes fitted too.
will scan in some power charts in a minute.
Just enjoy the track.... hit the throtle and drive like Yellowbird ;)
I have bought some Toyo R888 225/45-17 to my S14.... I would have bought 235/40-17 but I dont think there is enough clearance in the back because of the side arch's....
I will not hit another track without that kinde of tyre, they just provide much more grip when oem street tyres.
I hope your going to record a lap and post it here - remember that youtube.com only allows movie clips that has a max lenght of 10min00sec ;););)!
I hope your going to record a lap and post it here - remember that youtube.com only allows movie clips that has a max lenght of 10min00sec ;););)!
ill definately be recording some lap times :D will be trying to get as many laps in as possbile! :)
Looking good bud, they brakes should see you stop on a penny :nod:
they would if i could get them to bolt on argghhhh :annoyed: lol
how much is one caliper brand new Kris? any idea? i may need one if things go tits up :D:smash:
just had word from my trusty garage that my roll abrs are on, aligment arms are 90% done, just fron brakes to go and im pretty much good to go :thumbs: :D
Not long now matey :nod: :thumbs:
Dunc.
how much is one caliper brand new Kris? any idea? i may need one if things go tits up :D:smash:
Hmm do you relay want to know lol
hopefully not :( nah things should be fine :)
hopefully not :( nah things should be fine :)
Better hope so a new one is nearly 1500 buks :eek: Itll be fine
Saw you going round the ring over the weekend, looked really slow, hope every thing was ok for you? :)
hi mate, what car were you in? when were you there? :)
i was quite slow sat and sunday, but monday was my good day started knowing the traack and passing more than was passing me :D was pleased they didnt let bikes out monday as they are very annoying lol.
sorting out photos then going to do a wee write up.
I saw your car out there, looks nice :cool: Look forward to the write-up :)
hi mate, what car were you in? when were you there? :)
i was quite slow sat and sunday, but monday was my good day started knowing the traack and passing more than was passing me :D was pleased they didnt let bikes out monday as they are very annoying lol.
sorting out photos then going to do a wee write up.
Hi i was there friday to monday in a red 16v 106 rallye as the 200 is having its cage put in:nod: , yeah a bike went up the inside of me on sunday leaving me nowhere to go had to run accross the grass :mad: .
you get quicker the more laps you do there (obviously) i ve done around 20 now and still on a steep learning curve!
Mr write up of my trip :)
right well, i managed to get the moajority of the things i needed and wanted done done, got my brakes fitted, had the wrong discs.....twice :( but a trip to nissan the day before we left and its all sorted, a quick alignment setup at CLCM and i was good to go!
i have loads of pics but will upload these in a bit.
left on friday lunchtime and drove to Newcastle to get the ferry, all the antics getting cars ready etc had drained us and we didnt rule the ferry that night as intended :D ( a friends mk2 golf got an mot to go 1 hour before we left!)
saturday we drove from amsterdam to the Nurburgring and settled in at our hotel the Ringhaus, there was a 1000km endurqnce race qualifying on so went and had a peek at that then the track opened at teatime.
we went down and i decided to do my first ever lap as a passenger to see what it was all about (out in a Focus ST), into the 5th corner and 2 bikes go off right infront of us, luckily they stayed on the bike but my nerves were in tatters lol! :wack:
anway the remainder of that lap was good, into the caraselle....bang! whats that? when entering the car park found that the 2 year odl mongoose had snapped clean off at the flange, gutted :(
so off to do my first ever lap as a driver and i was getting humped by everything, had flies dying on my rear windscreen i felt i was going so slow! :wack: but i survived:smitten:
the next day i did another 3 laps and was learning the track better and better but after lunch chilled and went to brunchen and watched a vx220 spin off and smack the barier :(
final day i had 4 laps on my ticket left so was in the mood! went out and had my friend in his elise giving me a tow round to help me get the lines and i fell in love, was able to take everything so much quicker! by the time i did my 5th and final lap that day i was screaming past bmw's and other various cars without a blink, the gradients and variation of speed into and out of corners is awesome!
unfortunately saw a british Focus RS hit the barrier hard during 1 of my laps and it wasnt a pretty site, esp seeing 3 occupants rolling about on the ground :(
went round as a passenger in my mates lotus elise :smitten: and my other friends 350z and coundlt beleive how quick the track could be done :D:cool:
novel over!
highlights:
The track
Steak on a Stone
a mate winning £250 on a bandit on the return ferry and ot buying a round all night :D
and to top it all my 12 year old Nissan 200sx was the ONLY car out of our six that required no maintenance during the trip, only checking fluid levels and temps before going out each time :smitten:
now...... what do i do for the 2009 trip?!
tbc.....
some photos:
the team
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/group3.jpg
team with the weapons
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/cars3.jpg
petrol station in amsterdam
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/STH70586.jpg
arrived at the Ringhaus
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/STH70615.jpg
after the first day and most bonnets are up to allow fixing :wack:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/STH70617.jpg
not the 200 though, shes tucked in for the night :smitten:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/STH70619.jpg
tbc.....
some action pics (hopefully more will surface at the weekend :) )
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/Colin.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/Gcaraselle.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/aug08143.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/me1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/me4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/me5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/me2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/aug08227.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/aug08229.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/aug08228.jpg
:smitten:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/T8P_3730R.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/T8P_3731_HR.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/T8P_3732_HR.jpg
Ali200SX
22-08-2008, 11:17
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Math1986/ring08/T8P_3730R.jpg
Ace pic :thumbs:
great car...
great track...
great pic !!!
Those frozenspeed pics look like something out of Top Gun :D Looks like you boys enjoyed it as much as we did, totally agree with how much better the track gets the more you get the hang of it. Desperate to go back!
i might have to audition for top gun 2 :wack:
i loved it, i feel very sad inside that its another year before we go back :(
weiner_patrol
22-08-2008, 12:45
we need a nurburgring stylee track in britain... ;)
Glad to hear you got everything sorted mate and had fun. Looks like a really fun way to spend a few days and tempted to go myself...but not this year maybe next :D
Hi i was there friday to monday in a red 16v 106 rallye
I saw a couple of red Rallyes, nice:thumbs:
watched a vx220 spin off and smack the barier :(
unfortunately saw a british Focus RS hit the barrier hard during 1 of my laps and it wasnt a pretty site, esp seeing 3 occupants rolling about on the ground :(
now...... what do i do for the 2009 trip?!
Was that the black 220? He was back fairly smartly, taped up and ready to carry on :D
The RS wasn't so nice as you say, track was closed for about an hour after that one. Biker on Sunday morning was worst of the weekend
2009.... If the car's good, get tuition :nod: if I could afford it, I would - track knowledge is all that matters around the Ring. :thumbs:
i loved it, i feel very sad inside that its another year before we go back :(
I thought that when I got back in June...somehow ended up out there again and did twice as many laps :D
First week of October has some good opening times :wack: ;)
Well done for getting around and back in one piece math!! :cool:
First week of October has some good opening times :wack: ;)
Me and my brother Tom will be heading over at the start of Oct :D
...praying for a dry track for my first effort in a lairy car! (pug 306 was stuck to the track no matter how dumb I was!!)
..also a mate will be running a supercharged gti-6 which should be fairly impressive! :cool:
Weekend of the 30th is 8-19:30 both days. AAAARGH!!
If I didn't get SO exasperated by traffic I might head out again for a day or two this year. Only once though or I'll be out of pocket and should have bought a JK :wack:
looked amazing mate, ive been planning on going for nearly 2 years now:annoyed: and with a wedding pending next year cant see it happening any time soon:cry:
how much did it cost ya, fuel, accomodation, ferry etc etc ???
Those pics are great mate!! Looks like a top top trip (ain't they all?)
:thumbs:
Dunc.
looked amazing mate, ive been planning on going for nearly 2 years now:annoyed: and with a wedding pending next year cant see it happening any time soon:cry:
how much did it cost ya, fuel, accomodation, ferry etc etc ???
Stop waiting, seriously :nod:
It took me 5 years to finally get there after I first decided I wanted to go, went in June this year and it was amazing. Just got back from a second trip on Monday. 2 people who were out at the same time last weekend were on honeymoon camping!
Costs vary - you can camp for €12 a day (not night, add a little for leccy if you want) or hotel it for normal to silly money, €30 - €100 a night area. Foods not too bad, breakfast is usually included at hotels, there's Lidl and Aldi close and restaurants aren't too bad, €10 a night if you go out without spending much or 25 if you go for steak on a stone :smitten:
Pax laps are good for learning and usually free (you will need a helmet with most people though, and think about the car you're in if the driver doesn't mind you going lidless), or just a beer in the evening.
The expensive bits are laps and petrol. It's deceptively tiring, as you are flat out (speed and/or concentration depending) for 9-14 minutes, and don't forget you're up mountains so altitude plays a part too - so think how many you want, because you'll always want more! But it ain't cheap, although you could always sell your ticket to someone before you leave or stick it on ebay when you're home if you don't use them all. I did about 1250 miles last weekend - 4 day trip, 26 laps. First trip I got 13 laps in over the 5 days I was there for comparison, bear in mind that you may spend some of those miles flat but the majority is motorway boredom.
Ramble ramble, just go and do it. You can do a 3 or 4 day weekend for not all that much. And let me know if you do!
Where did you find the pics of yourself? i cant find any of me on the track? :(
theres the ringers forum, ben lovejoy has a link on his site, the northloop forum has some as well :)
sarefeet
27-08-2008, 09:48
Looks like you had fun mate, Glad you and car made it back in one piece
Pics look awsome, even with the top gun shades on you can see your 'In the Zone!':thumbs:
Where did you find the pics of yourself? i cant find any of me on the track? :(
Try this lot :wack: (May not work I just copied all my bookmarks, cross your fingers) edit - win!
http://www.nordschleifenbilder.de/go/index.php
http://www.mw-sportfoto.de/en/?
http://www.moto-pics.de/index.php/lang-en
http://picasaweb.google.com/picturesnordschleife
http://www.cemesis-photography.com/
http://www.nurburgringphotos.com/
http://www.e40racer.be/
http://www.fotograff.de/cpg/index.php?cat=4
http://sportfotoart.de/
http://www.trackdaysphoto.com/
http://nurburgring.5h4k.co.uk/
http://www.motofoto.tv/galerie/
http://www.pictoral.co.uk/
http://www.boelsphotography.be/
http://www.nordschleifenfotos.de/en/
http://www.ringfotograf.de/
http://www.frozenspeed.com/
http://gallery.racepixel.de/gallery/g/index.php?cat=19
http://www.ringbild.de.vu/
http://www.ring-action.de/
http://www.racepicture.de/
http://www.wheelshots.de/
http://www.ringbunny.fotopic.net/list_collections.php
http://www.nordschleifen-fotos.de.vu/
http://ring-fokus.de/
http://shop.oop.be/
http://www.nurburgring.nl/forum/viewforum.php?f=7
http://philippegovaerts.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=album01
http://willemfotografie.nl/
http://www.eykensfotografie.nl/
http://www.jorritwellink.nl/foto/nurburgring/
http://www.guido-nordschleife.nl/touri_main.htm
http://www.fastpix.de/bilder.html
http://picasaweb.google.com/ringpics2
http://www.fotos-vom-ring.de/
http://www.8200rpm.com/webcam/
http://www.rh-home.de/joomla/index.php?option=com_ponygallery&Itemid=28
http://www.8200rpm.com/index.php?p=1&lang=en
http://www.sandin.no/
http://www.gotty.de/
http://www.ring-bilder.de/
Looks like you had a great trip and thats one lucky photo :)!
What was your best time arround?
Now your trip is over what modifications are you planing to do in the winter period?
the thing i worry about so much is the car getting hot on the ring, i had to come off coombe after 4 laps as the RB overheated and that was with a huge celica rad and electric fan :(
i have a better fan and an ally rad this time but i really cant see it being loads better than the previous set up, time will tell i suppose tho. s13s really are crap for airflow to the rad when you have an FMIC aint they :(.
my house mates went this year and im going with them next year, i have no doubt the car can take it, its just the coolant temps i worry about and thats the only reason i didnt go this year.
the thing i worry about so much is the car getting hot on the ring, i had to come off coombe after 4 laps as the RB overheated and that was with a huge celica rad and electric fan :(
i have a better fan and an ally rad this time but i really cant see it being loads better than the previous set up, time will tell i suppose tho. s13s really are crap for airflow to the rad when you have an FMIC aint they :(.
my house mates went this year and im going with them next year, i have no doubt the car can take it, its just the coolant temps i worry about and thats the only reason i didnt go this year.
What spec is your car?
I have never had cooling problems on track, OEM setup.
Fake Ben Taylor
29-08-2008, 16:01
rbs in s13's overheat....FACT
no idea how many times ive said that now....you NEED...thats right NEED a huge alloy rad...ducting helps further.
and im talking from experience here on one of the first rb'd 13's ;)
If you have a cooling problem at all, it WILL be shown up on the Ring, you will never put your car through any harder driving in about 10 minutes. Do everything you can before you go.
What was your best time arround?
http://209.85.48.8/2644/194/emo/nono.gif
http://firstrung.co.uk/dbimgs/iStock_can%20of%20worms.jpg
Oh yeah, did you time a lap?
didnt time my laps, didnt want to push myself harder than my skillls for my first year :)
i have a stock radiator and it handles the ring no problem but i did a lap, came in let it col etc.
im not sure what to do now, feel like ive built the car to a high standard and had my fun so may sell up and progress to something better, m3 zm coupe or 350z something along those lines.
Base-1
Sorry :)..... who can refuse the use of the original Nokia/SonyErricson Mobil stopwatch ;)???
Math
BMW :hurl:
Did you have any gauges in it to show oil/water temp?
Last year, before i bought my s14, i did a BTG 9min25sek at the ring. There were a bit of rain and plenty of people on the track. If the coast had been clear I think I could have done it in 9min or so.
Me at the Ring :D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVbLc-yUdH4)
But for now my silvia is going to be painted and im going to do an engine rebuild and then 2009 will bring me down to 8min30.... hopfully ;)
get some 555s and a jez stg 2 chip
get some 555s and a jez stg 2 chip
Who :)?
Me at the Ring :D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVbLc-yUdH4)
What happened? Did you take that white teg?? Very exciting vid :nod:
Me at the Ring :D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVbLc-yUdH4)
What happened? Did you take that white teg?? Very exciting vid :nod:
I didn't :(
But he is driving with a rotex compressor system, forged internals, cams and so on, putting down 400-415bhp at the flywheel. And my teg had about 210bhp.
New ring vid
Viper 7min22sec :eek: (http://www.motortrend.com/av/features/112_0811_2009_dodge_viper_acr_nurburgring_record_v ideo/index.html)
I didn't :(
But he is driving with a rotex compressor system, forged internals, cams and so on, putting down 400-415bhp at the flywheel. And my teg had about 210bhp.
New ring vid
Viper 7min22sec :eek: (http://www.motortrend.com/av/features/112_0811_2009_dodge_viper_acr_nurburgring_record_v ideo/index.html)
by the looks of it, you were kinda keeping up with him! :nod: yea some put that viper video during the week:thumbs:
by the looks of it, you were kinda keeping up with him! :nod: yea some put that viper video during the week:thumbs:
Thanks :)
razza987
31-08-2008, 01:08
Me at the Ring :D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVbLc-yUdH4)
What happened? Did you take that white teg?? Very exciting vid :nod:
Handheld cameras suck :rolleyes:
Handheld cameras suck :rolleyes:
Yes I know, we tried to mount it but I got caught :smash:
trip sounds amazing, glad you and the car made it back in one piece :)
razza987
31-08-2008, 12:11
Yes I know, we tried to mount it but I got caught :smash:
Fair enough :)
didnt time my laps, didnt want to push myself harder than my skillls for my first year :)
i have a stock radiator and it handles the ring no problem but i did a lap, came in let it col etc.
im not sure what to do now, feel like ive built the car to a high standard and had my fun so may sell up and progress to something better, m3 zm coupe or 350z something along those lines.
Good reasoning :nod: I doubt your radiator would cope for long at all once you know your way around a bit though ;) ZM Coupe would be awesome!
Base-1
Sorry :)..... who can refuse the use of the original Nokia/SonyErricson Mobil stopwatch ;)???
.... and then 2009 will bring me down to 8min30.... hopfully ;)
It's OK, if you know the place well though. My Nokia doesn't have a stopwatch as it goes! I do have a GPS setup on it though, and have timed 3 laps now but there's no timer running so you just switch it on and leave it alone so it isn't hanging over you.
How many trips/laps have you done? 8:30 is a pretty quick time, don't go chasing it hard....
If you have GPS on your mobile, try out http://www.racechrono.com/
I think I have done about 20laps and 100+ on the PlayStation 2/GranTurismo 4. Playing that game was a huge advantage as I postet 9min45sec on my 6th lap ever in my TEG :).
When the engine is finished it will produce 400-450bhp the turbo will be the Greddy TD0620G SH.
Overheating should not be a problem as I have bought a 50mm or 60mm thick alu radiator and a 13row oilcooler.
Maybe my suspension setup i a bit to stiff as the springrate i 8k in the front and 6k in the rear.
My tyres are the R888 so the traction should be good :).
Handheld cameras suck :rolleyes:
ok! :indiff::rolleyes:
get off my thread you big bunch of hijackers :p :whip:
plans for project Nurburgring trip 2009 are afoot! :)
I think I have done about 20laps and 100+ on the PlayStation 2/GranTurismo 4. Playing that game was a huge advantage as I postet 9min45sec on my 6th lap ever in my TEG :).
When the engine is finished it will produce 400-450bhp the turbo will be the Greddy TD0620G SH.
Overheating should not be a problem as I have bought a 50mm or 60mm thick alu radiator and a 13row oilcooler.
Maybe my suspension setup i a bit to stiff as the springrate i 8k in the front and 6k in the rear.
My tyres are the R888 so the traction should be good :).
Oh dear :) Make sure you have an empty credit card.
get off my thread you big bunch of hijackers :p :whip:
plans for project Nurburgring trip 2009 are afoot! :)
Best plan for 2009, don't be a hero, carry on like you did this time! (I know I never saw you on track but one of the guys I was with did and commented on your track etiquette :thumbs: )
When you planning on going mate? I think a few of us will be planning something but not for a while yet. :)
When you planning on going mate? I think a few of us will be planning something but not for a while yet. :)
Same here, can't wait to get back - sure SteA and a few others will be up for it again too :nod:
Should be getting a new ring toy in the very near future :)
Dunc.
no idea when im going back but maybe twice if i can afford it :)
i think late july was talked about, we were also talking about doing an rca(?) day where the track is private, no bikes and its full track :)
my plans are similar to my first year plans - grip/brakes/handling but maybe a bit more response this time too :)
thanks Base-1, i always try my best to be generous on track :)
Same here, can't wait to get back - sure SteA and a few others will be up for it again too :nod:
Should be getting a new ring toy in the very near future :)
Dunc.
It would be rude not to! If only to see you attack the worlds strangest desserts........ :wack:
We tried to get a big SXOC group together last time, but too many had date issues. It would be cool if we could get lots of us going again, the trip 4/5 years ago with a really big group of us was amazing :D
no idea when im going back but maybe twice if i can afford it :)
i think late july was talked about, we were also talking about doing an rca(?) day where the track is private, no bikes and its full track :)
my plans are similar to my first year plans - grip/brakes/handling but maybe a bit more response this time too :)
thanks Base-1, i always try my best to be generous on track :)
My pleasure mate :thumbs: Pisses me off when tossers don't watch their mirrors or just plain don't let you past and it's stupidity like this that causes accidents so it's great when people pay attention and follow the rules! I had 2 or 3 E30s, several bikes and a GT3 all deliberately holding me up that weekend, even when flashing one of the beemers and that particular Porsche, I had to resort to beeping my horn at them and even when they moved over, obviously I had no run on them and no power either in a little MX5 so it carried on yet again :rolleyes:
No wonder there's so many accidents when so many people show up and don't know or just don't follow the rules, then all go out at once.
I'm hoping to camp over there for a few weeks next summer, hopefully see some of you out there :thumbs: :D
get off my thread you big bunch of hijackers :p :whip:
plans for project Nurburgring trip 2009 are afoot! :)
You killed your owne thread when you said you were going to buy a BMW.... :sxoc:
thought id post up a wee preview vid of the first couple of days of the trip, pretty cool editing :cool:
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all driving withing speedlimits :) all drinking done without limits :D
Looks like you had a really good laugh, would love to do a road trip in a similar fashion myself.
laze.
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