S13 Vg30dett [Archive] - SXOC Bulletin Board

John Bennett

20-05-2007, 23:37

Couldn't agree more, you've mounted it really far back too (looks like you couldn't fit a fag paper between the bulkhead).

Nice work lads :clap:

Dunc.

Oh, fry shifted the bulkhead back by about 10cm and remade the steering column :D .
I don't think there's a single bit left on the car that wasn't modified or replaced in one way or another:smash: . We've got a lot of pictures to sift through - may make a video at some point soon, pehaps once it moves
Here's (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/clutch.jpg) a taster pic of the mechanism to relocate the clutch cylinder to the interior :wack:
We rebuilt that VG30 too, so I was somewhat relieved it didn't explode tonight (but we bought a second Zed for spares, just incase :wack: ).

Regarding the weight balance, the attached pic below was on stock springs after the engine had been put in and the car left standing for a day :D Stories of the VG30's lardiness are somewhat exaggerated too :nod: (think RB levels of weight, but with near half the length ).

dunc

20-05-2007, 23:42

Very nice mate :thumbs:

Chezecow

21-05-2007, 00:30

Whoa! great work there m8!

I was thinking about the same thing a while ago but due to finnish regulations i need to settle for a vQ +350z tranny -setup ;)

Did the clutch really need relocating, or did you just do it for a cleaner look? I tried the engine in the bay and the bmc etcetera could stick on their original places. Ofcourse my car was LHD, so it might be different with RHD since the pedals are in the same order but on the other side of the bay.

Anyways, great work, im really glad you've done it!

s13silvia

21-05-2007, 01:38

very impressive.. should have some tunability once shes up and running :thumbs: tuned Z's sound awesome :cool:

Dave_S

21-05-2007, 03:15

Oooh sweet! Can't wait for more piccies /details :cool:

Dave

arry

21-05-2007, 05:59

ch'yeeaaaahhh me diggin it :cool:

21-05-2007, 06:03

It took a lot :nod:

I know, I've seen the pics :smash: now post them for the rest of :sxoc:

fry

21-05-2007, 07:43

Whoa! great work there m8!

Did the clutch really need relocating, or did you just do it for a cleaner look? I tried the engine in the bay and the bmc etcetera could stick on their original places.

Yes the clutch cylinder need moving as the engine sits right where it used to be, the brake servo has also been relocated slightly.

It would not have taken so long had the car not been so rusty but thats almost finished now and with a bit of luck it should be running in time for JAE.

Will put up a few more pics tonight when we get a chance to sort them out

Ady682

21-05-2007, 08:08

thats awesome, cant wait to see the pics

blue boy

21-05-2007, 08:23

Fooking hell, that is impressive.

Can't wait to see all the build pics on this so far:nod:

Colin Gibson

21-05-2007, 09:14

Well done!
Thats a project well over due, great to see it.
potential for a very fast car there:cool:

McRearout

21-05-2007, 10:19

Cool :nod:
Who is that double-fisting the S13?

Did the 300 gearbox fit in the tunnel? Does the stick come out in the correct place?

John Bennett

21-05-2007, 10:50

Cool :nod:
Who is that double-fisting the S13?

That was me, a while back. Does look like I was enjoying it too much :o

Did the 300 gearbox fit in the tunnel? Does the stick come out in the correct place?

No, well not where we ended up putting the engine. Fry made a new transmission tunnel and bulkhead that fitted around the VG instead, then cut up the shifter so the hole lined up :wack:

I think it's safe to say there won't ever be a VG30DETT conversion guide :D :smash:

Pulsargt

21-05-2007, 11:09

Top work JB and Fry.....now get it finnished:D

McRearout

21-05-2007, 11:17

I think it's safe to say there won't ever be a VG30DETT conversion guide :D :smash:

I've done one for you:
Get S13 shell, get angle grinder and welder, add a few of these smilies :eek: :smash: :cry: :annoyed: :smash: :eek:

Jobs a good-un.
:D

Keep up the good work :nod:

200sxs14

21-05-2007, 11:23

Cant wait to see pics too. Your doing a great job and the car will be a rocket once finished :)

Nis

21-05-2007, 12:55

Nice one. I have a Z32 TT myself and the engine is a pig to fault-find. Hope yours goes ok. Simple 15psi boost upgrade and chip should see 380bhp!!!

Ivan

wratch

21-05-2007, 13:38

great job lads... :eek: :thumbs:

fry

21-05-2007, 18:19

1st remove the old lump

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF0090.jpg

2nd remove a little interior trim

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF0143.jpg

3rd Get your friend to rebuild one of these

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF0131.jpg

The engine its self is not a bad engine its just it was designed to fit into a very tight space by a computer, then a very complicated car (300zx) was built around it.

We removed all the crap from it that we could, egr, pcv, water feeds to the plenum, boost solenoids, had to re arrange heater pipes at the rear as they were going the wrong way and hitting the fire wall.

The sump is perfectly in line with the bottom of the cross member and required extensive reshaping to get it to fit over the steering rack which has to be off the car to allow the engine to be fitted or removed, its a bit of a pain in the butt, clearances on some things are as close as the ZX but in other area's we have loads more room.

The gearbox required the floor and tunnel to be reshaped mainly so the starter had some where to live, the top of the tunnel had to be re done to allow a couple more mm clearance and I shortened the shifter as far as I was able to get it closer to the original position.

The main problem was fitting the engine in as near the same position in relation to the steering so that I could keep both the turbo's and not have to do a single turbo conversion as a few in the states have done, the steering was the single biggest problem (to date :wack: ) and I could write a book on that but I'm not going too :p

Parker

21-05-2007, 18:23

Awesome work there guys, keep it up :clap:

disco-tom

21-05-2007, 18:40

Fantastic work, dudes. :thumbs:

And now you have an ideal space for a proper V-mount with a ducted bonnet, too. :)

fry

21-05-2007, 18:44

Fantastic work, dudes. :thumbs:

And now you have an ideal space for a proper V-mount with a ducted bonnet, too. :)

:no: Twin tubby V mount

Twin rb25 wmic :D , well at the moment, there is another reason for such a big gap at the front but thats next years project

MEL

21-05-2007, 20:58

Fantastic work.

There are going to be some mental motors coming out of this board over the next couple of years - this is going to be right up there.

Purple Power better look out :wack:

Pulsargt

22-05-2007, 06:06

1st remove the old lump

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF0090.jpg

Ohh i see you got my good side.....:D

TomB

22-05-2007, 09:45

Excellent stuff, I work on Z32s and the VG30DETT is a wicked motor, and the power delivery is awesome.

Fair play for squeezing it into a s13 as its toight enough in the zeds!

gareth - track

22-05-2007, 11:41

Good project - have you sorted out a prop yet?

pete shrimp

22-05-2007, 12:29

Wow! That'll be quick! :D:D

John Bennett

22-05-2007, 14:05

Good project - have you sorted out a prop yet?

Yeah, sent it off somewhere to get a 1-piece unit made with the zed yoke and the CA diff flange :thumbs:

Exhaust was sorted a while back too (towed it to AAS to get one made up). It could be quite loud :wack:

fry

22-05-2007, 21:49

Gearbox now bolted onto the car, gearstick and zed housing fitted, zaust temporarily fitted, managed to find a few air leaks and sort them, fitted main live to starter with proper connector instead of the hose clip that was holding it on to crank it :wack:

On a down side the driver side tubby has an oil leak :annoyed:, so it may all have to come back out as thats the really bad side of the car for getting at things like oil unions :cry:

The good part of tonight was the sound of the engine through the zaust :sxoc:

Fake Ben Taylor

23-05-2007, 01:09

fry

23-05-2007, 06:40

sound clip? :rolleyes:

What of me when I found the oil leak !, it sounded like arrrrrrrrrrgggggggggg :D

John Bennett

23-05-2007, 11:24

sound clip? :rolleyes:

We'd rather not, as there's what's hopefully just a sticky tappet that seems to drown out the V6 howl when the video is played back.
Hopefully it'll shut up after a little run, or I'm going to have to take the plenum, cams and belt off to change it :cry:

gareth - track

23-05-2007, 11:25

Yeah, sent it off somewhere to get a 1-piece unit made with the zed yoke and the CA diff flange :thumbs:

Exhaust was sorted a while back too (towed it to AAS to get one made up). It could be quite loud :wack:

Could you let me know where you sent it to... doing a simlar sort of project and need to sort a prop out... Is it pricey?

fry

03-06-2007, 14:31

Sorted out a few more pics

Original position of Z box shifter
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF0181.jpg

Top cut out replaced and new hole to fit shortened shifter and zed stick assy
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF0517.jpg

Passenger side bulkhead moved back and shaped to fit round engine and dump pipe
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF0286.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF0209-1.jpg

Driver side
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF0164-1.jpg

Turbo outlet required a bit off tlc
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF0175-1.jpg

Required shortening and rotating
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF0178-1.jpg

Power steering pump relocated to original position
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/29042007097.jpg

Clutch master cylinder relocated to inside of car
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF0156.jpg

Sorting out radiator and some pipework so we can get it running without the risk of overheating

Did have a leaking oil feed to turbo connection but managed to get to it through the hole where the steering column goes through, if not it would have been engine back out :wack:

Phil LS

03-06-2007, 18:43

welding cast iron.... oooh wouldn't like that job, nice one :thumbs:

fry

03-06-2007, 22:27

welding cast iron.... oooh wouldn't like that job, nice one :thumbs:

To be honest a friend did the welding on the plenum and cast iron, he is very good at it though and at a push he could probably weld wood to chocolate under water :wack:

doz

03-06-2007, 22:34

absolutely loving this - makes a change from all the RB25's people are slapping in. Out of curiosity, why have you got the engine mounted back so far?

BigD

03-06-2007, 22:59

wow, ive only just seen this, great project,cant wait to see it running :thumbs:

fry

03-06-2007, 23:00

Out of curiosity, why have you got the engine mounted back so far?

Main reason, there is a small window of opportunity that exists to get the steering past the turbo elbow and the oil filter and onto the rack, and its very very small, so small everything still had to be moved, other than that there was no way to keep the twin turbo's without sitting the engine very much further forward.

It will keep the weight well balanced too, that and John told me the back of the engine was flat :wack:

BreadBin

03-06-2007, 23:17

Great project :thumbs:

John Bennett

04-06-2007, 10:05

that and John told me the back of the engine was flat :wack:

Well, it is when you put the cylinder heads in-line on a table and forget that they're offset and there's VVT solenoids on the back of them :o

Some guys in the USA have the VG in and much further forwards - looks like a 20cm gap betwen the engine and the bulkhead in some cases. They use a different sump ('J31' ?) and most use custom turbo manifolds (or a single turbo).

GmasterT

04-06-2007, 10:11

Good work Ladies! :D :thumbs:

LEIGH

04-06-2007, 10:44

:clap:

Butuz

04-06-2007, 13:31

Coool project!

Butuz

fry

10-06-2007, 21:49

A few more bits sorted.

Found a home for the remote aac valve and added a reduced outlet and 45deg to get it pointing in the right direction, its connected to both points on the engine and only needs a bracket and an inlet once the main pipes are sorted.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/10062007144.jpg

Relocated the power steering return hose as its in the way of where the radiator is going to live, made a new pipe for the steering rack and keeping fingers crossed the fitting transfered from the zed rack does not leak, took the blow torch to the track rod ends it would be silly not to replace them having gone this far.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/10062007145.jpg

Managed to sort the leak from the turbo oil feed, one bolt on the rear of the outlet flange is a twat, you cant get fingers on to it nor a spanner because it sits so close to the exhaust manifold, it took about 20mins just to get it started on its threads and another 20 to get it all the way down:annoyed:, and the funny part is i found out I didn't need to remove it in the first place, I can get to the oil feed nut through the hole where the steering column goes through the bulkhead :wack:

the specialist

11-06-2007, 17:42

keep up the good work...

i love it!!!

dannyb1986

12-06-2007, 12:06

i love the look of this! when will be on the road/track?

fry

12-06-2007, 14:39

as soon as i get the thing back together, hope to get radiator finished tonight and the steering rack fitted, jae is the target but that might be pushing ht

Mick

12-06-2007, 19:35

Awesome project. Its good to see original stuff happening :thumbs:

fry

12-06-2007, 20:49

Awesome project. Its good to see original stuff happening :thumbs:

Not so good when your doing it :wack:

Fitted the Radiator its not the finished job just functional, Its a bit on the tall side

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/12062007152.jpg

The steering rack should have a thread of its own, its in position with the high pressure feed connected, I cut off the return cause it was in the road and I will replace most of it with one rubber hose, its starting to get a bit busy round the steering joint, still have a bunch of wires to get past everything a lambda to fit in the zaust and the oil cooler pipes

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/12062007151.jpg

shortcut

12-06-2007, 21:23

I want one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

McRearout

12-06-2007, 21:25

Fook me it's like spaghetti junction down there!

Mick

13-06-2007, 08:32

Not so good when your doing it :wack:

I bet

Scougar

13-06-2007, 08:55

Being reading this with interest :) Awesome project :)

Matthew

mohawk

13-06-2007, 11:47

just caught wind of this and OMG!:eek:

what a project!!! great work guys! :thumbs: :thumbs:

fry

14-06-2007, 21:06

Not Got a lot sorted although its not for the lack of being with the car just had a few days when I spent a lot of time not achieving much :( put the oil cooler on but not sure if its going to stay where it is but at least i can get the oil flowing through it and the other bits round the steering rack sorted.

In keeping with the rest of the cheap bodge jobs on the car the oil hoses are made from hydraulic connectors from a kubota tractor and 20bar hose for use with petroleum and heat resistant to well above what the oil should ever see, ok they aint shinny and braided but they cost less than 20 quid :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/14062007154.jpg

Phil LS

14-06-2007, 21:08

i love bodge jobs :wack:

nice one fry :D we'll have to compare bodges on our engines at some point. i recon u might take it :(

fry

14-06-2007, 21:15

i love bodge jobs :wack:

nice one fry :D we'll have to compare bodges on our engines at some point. i recon u might take it :(

LOL my best one so far was soldering a 22m Yorkshire fitting onto the steel pipe for the remote aac valve, I didn't even know if the solder would take to metal but apparently it has( waits for it to drop off now):D

tobs

15-06-2007, 19:45

WOW :eek: !!! Nice one m8, beats puting a RB25DET in anyday !!. Let me know how things are going .. If you need any wiring diagrams mate let me know :sxoc: :wave: :clap:

fry

16-06-2007, 10:42

WOW :eek: !!! Nice one m8, beats puting a RB25DET in anyday !!. Let me know how things are going .. If you need any wiring diagrams mate let me know :sxoc: :wave: :clap:

Nope, John tends to ignore wiring diagrams, preferring to follow every wire to see where it goes then cutting it out as he says its not needed, He sorted the loom out very early on, the only thing we seem to be stuck on is the plug to go into the oil pressure sender, its gone walk about from the loom :(

tobs

16-06-2007, 13:38

Have you checked in the bin for the lost sensor !!:) its not that inportant buy an aftremarket one .. iam losing interest in my CA18DET now, i want what you've got :( .. Im looking forward to seeing it finished mate .... :thumbs:

fry

16-06-2007, 19:04

We don't use a bin we used a skip we generated so much junk, we have the sender its just the plug that goes on to it thats awol.

I could tell you lots of ways to make fitting a vg30dett easier but most of them would start with don't do it :wack:

Sitting it further forward and making a custom manifold and or turbo elbow would remove allot of the problems, then you would either need a front sump or serious alterations to the sump and oil pick up, which aint that bad because my sump looked like the bride of Frankenstein at one point

Next on the cheap bodge list is an electric fan, I tried to find one as big as the radiator, the closest I could find was out of a Vectra

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/16062007159.jpg

Excuse the crap pic

Cut off all the pointy bits on the fan shroud, going to make 2 new end sections to fit on the rear of the rad running from top to bottom to blank in the rear and make sure it sucks as much air through the rad as possible, also use these to mount the rad on some how.

tobs

17-06-2007, 10:49

Its sounds like a proper mission mate !!!!.. think i will stick with my CA18DET engine !! .. Much easer !!.. Tho i just got a new stainless manifoild and GT28 turbo !! . but the manifold hits my ABS unit ! v poor fitment :down: .. out with grinder i think !!! :confused: :sxoc:

fry

17-06-2007, 21:31

More pics :D

One of the rails to carry the rad, the other one looked the same just the other way round

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/17062007164.jpg

Fan mounted on rad

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/17062007165.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/17062007167.jpg

Got the passenger side wmic in position and bolted up, used the skyline bracket and threw welder and hammer at it

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/17062007170.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/17062007171.jpg

Fitted the other end of the oil cooler pipes onto the oil tree and sump, run the return pipe for the steering, mounted the locating bracket for the other PAS pipe, been a good day :sxoc:

John Bennett

17-06-2007, 21:39

Hehe, cool :D That fan's huge :cool: (I've not been down the garage lately :whip: ).

The plan's to add a relay to the VG ECU loom and use the VG ECU to drive the fan, as it would work in a Z32. Will sort it this week (and add a length of wire to drive the AAC).

tobs, the advantage of using the VG sensor is that there's already a huge oil pot and sensor there to do the sensing. If we went aftermarket, we'd need a sandwich plate, and things are already crammed in there as it is.

tobs

18-06-2007, 17:16

Fair play john !!!!.. You boys know your stuff allright :notworthy ... cant wait to see it finished .. :sxoc:

fry

18-06-2007, 22:08

Both wmic now fitted, crap pic again though :(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/18062007172.jpg

fry

26-06-2007, 20:58

No exciting pics:(

The steering rack and column now fitted, new pipes along the rack fitted and bent round the bits in the road.

Heater pipes now through to the interior but have no idea what they are going to connect to, there wont be enough room for the standard heater due to the engine being in the road.

All the holes on the drivers side have been sorted, which just leaves the rear sill and arch.

New pair of front Kyb agx shocks on the way for the front and hopefully the brakes and hubs can be finished.

The jobs on the to do list don't look like they are getting any less :annoyed:

fry

02-07-2007, 23:00

Right Its MOT time next monday, fingers crossed

It now has a Honda expansion tank for the washer bottle and a Volvo pump to get it to the screen.

The line to the clutch slave cylinder is now connected courtesy of an s14 front brake flexi

Kyb agx's now fitted to the front, removed rear wiper which was handy seeing as I burnt through the tube to the washer whilst welding :wack:

Power steering pump is a little noisy so needs investigating :smash:

Need to finish off the driver side sill and get the welding out the road, then try to get the front back on for the mot and a trip to get the pipes made for the wmic's, I need to bodge up one of the front wings as most of the bottom has vanished in a pile of brown powdery stuff, who would believe it ehh.

Not too bothered about body work at the moment as thats next on the list after an mot and more importantly JAE :nod:

Pulsargt

03-07-2007, 06:32

Keep going your nearly there......:D

John Bennett

03-07-2007, 07:55

It's also running on all 6 cylinders after I realised a stupid mistake by one of us involving a a coil pack plug and an indentical shaped lambda plug 10cm away :o (sorry fry, couldn't resist mentioning it :wack: ).

It sounds simultanously gorgeous and vicious :cool: (well apart from a bit of cam noise we'll have to fix later on)

I'll have to compile a video of it all soon. I think the number of crazy alterations/bodges must be an SXOC record (and because they're mostly fry's and not mine, the quality is good :wack: )

cliffb75

03-07-2007, 11:45

2nd remove a little interior trim

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF0143.jpg

Like your style :cool:

I'm looking forward to seeing this and having a chat about what you've done at JAE

Good luck :thumbs:

docwra

03-07-2007, 12:10

I realised a stupid mistake by one of us involving a a coil pack plug and an indentical shaped lambda plug 10cm away :o (sorry fry, couldn't resist mentioning it :wack: ).

:wack: :wack: :wack: :wack: :wack:

Marvellous :D

fry

03-07-2007, 15:57

:wack: :wack: :wack: :wack: :wack:

Marvellous :D

I don't recall the one of us being me, But then john may tell you about the turbo elbow gasket incident that definitely was me :annoyed:

If this does not make it to jae I will be there in a 6x2 wooden box

John Bennett

09-07-2007, 16:12

WE HAVE AN MOT!! :D :D :cool:

Fry and myself spent the entire weekend (finishing at 2am this morning) putting everything back together to get the car into a runnable state for an MOT.
The to-do list filled a sheet of A4, but by this morning everything critical was crossed off.

It's scary putting a car back together that's been apart for almost 18 months, half the time was spent trying to find bits that had gone missing (like the headlight dim-dip controller, which stopped the passenger headlights working :rolleyes: ). Another pain was realising that my custom gearbox harness had nowhere to plug into, as fry's car was an automatic in a past-past-past life (cue an extra couple of hours spent altering the engine bay harness to make it like a manual) :wack: .
Fry spent most of the weekend welding, as the poor car has seen better days underneath. It's looking pretty clean now though :) (just needs a major respray :wack: )
Handy hint- should you find yourself in need of rear ARB droplinks in an emergency, go to B&Q, get some M8 studded bar, some nylocks and 2 packs of rubber door-stops with the metal base. Bodgetastic (http://www.ianm3igb.plus.com/droplink.jpg) :D :thumbs: (I'll stick up some photos later).

We'll try and make up a video/photo collection soon. There won't be any of it driving quick yet, as it's missing all boost pipes (AAS are doing them next week) and it's not been run in yet :whip:

Jezz_S13

09-07-2007, 17:22

Cool. :)

Videos, please. :)

Rob_SX

09-07-2007, 18:41

ohhh my god..... your know-how scares me! :O

thehats13

09-07-2007, 19:13

absolutley awesome i love it

John Bennett

09-07-2007, 19:34

ohhh my god..... your know-how scares me! :O

It's been a drawn-out nightmare, to be honest, so if at any point we make it sound like we took all this in our stride, then we apologise :D

Before we get round to doing a proper video, Here's a shitty phone video of it's maiden voyage (a 50-point turn to move it off the spot it had been sitting in ). :wack:

www.ianm3igb.plus.com/maiden.3gp

Actual_Ben_Taylor

09-07-2007, 20:07

still remember seeing this in the garage and thinking 'they'll never finish that' :D:D

fry

09-07-2007, 21:32

still remember seeing this in the garage and thinking 'they'll never finish that' :D:D

There were times when I thought we would never finish it :D, saying that its not finished yet its just more mobile than it was :wack:

off for some proper intake and wmic pipe work on Thursday so Saturday should be interesting :sxoc:

09-07-2007, 21:47

Excellent news :D

stumitch

10-07-2007, 01:28

Holy tomoly some proper projects going on since i've been missing :D good work fry :nod:

John Bennett

04-08-2007, 20:19

Things seem to be going well. A DIY speedo overlay is now required :wack: .
http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=47949&stc=1&d=1186258526

(no, it won't hit 180mph, but it looks good :D. I might have a crack at a symmetrical, 200mph one if I can find my copy of corel draw...)

A video of the car will appear soon, but fry's been too busy enjoying it :rolleyes:

Pete C

04-08-2007, 20:37

Copying my kph speedo idea John? ;)

John Bennett

04-08-2007, 21:36

Copying my kph speedo idea John? ;)

..ish - I will use your exact on an RB at some point :thumbs: but a JDM speedo was actually the only thing I had lying around to shove in the scanner :wack:

Out of interest, the VG30 box doesn't need any trickery to drive the S13 speedo - it works from straight off. The only problem is the lack of numbers at the top end :D .

Nis

05-08-2007, 21:13

John Bennett

05-08-2007, 21:35

Just out of interest what power is she running? On a stock (de-limited) ecu and power a 300zx can hit 176 on the standard rev limiter (manual gearbox) so a 300kg lighter S13 should easily hit that! When my Z32 was running stock power I saw 160 on the stock (limited) ecu on the 2 mile straight at bruntingthorpe.

Ivan

It was 7PSI, but fry tried 14 yesterday. Apparently it was rather quick :wack: . Whether that's related to the puddle of water under the turbo today, I don't know (gonna strip bits off next week to sort the leak and change some noisy hydraulic lifters).
I don't want to be a passenger in that thing at near 180mph, that's for sure :no: :cry:
We fitted an S14a manual diff to keep the diff ratio the same as the Z32 :thumbs:

The ECU has a JWT map in it, so that's removed the limit. At some point we're going to have to look at bigger injectors and figure out this mapping lark - reprogramming the chip is the easy bit :wack: .

fry

05-08-2007, 21:42

At 90mph it shows 3200 rpm, that was a gps 90 the clock was showing a little more, the difference between 7psi reduced boost and 14 is interesting :D

160 should be no real problem, still got a few little buggy things to iron out, we will update the thread with a few pics of the intake pipework and afm position for those that didnt get to jae

Fake Ben Taylor

05-08-2007, 21:46

John Bennett

05-08-2007, 21:50

I'm a tad confused by that RPM/ speed thing as that would give 196mph at 7200 rpm :wack: - bit more investigation needed.....

Here's the only pic from JAE that I've seen of it:
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa136/spezerJAE/100_1792.jpg

Nis

05-08-2007, 22:02

John Bennett

05-08-2007, 22:06

Yeah mine was at 14psi before it blew! Now running a new engine in! They are well known for water leaks from the hoses at the back of the engine which are a bitch to get to on the Z32. Also there are hoses under the plenum which most just bypass. The turbo feeds can also leak.

Ivan

Ah, righto - sorry to hear that :eek: . I removed and tided most of the coolant hoses including the throttle body heater crap, so it's been simplified a bit. Do you know anyone who does reasonably priced braided hose kits?
I also filed out loads of casting slag from the water channels - a design flaw (thanks to Mark H for the pointers), so hopefully the back two pistons will get the same cooling as the others now :wack: .

Nis

05-08-2007, 22:16

TBH mate most of the Z32 boys just use silicone hose. Not seen any braided ones at all. A local company should be able to knock some up I'd have thought.

Ivan

kriSX

06-08-2007, 12:23

WOW !!! I didn't even know this was happening due to my poor turn out at the NE meets. You guys just amaze me at what you can do. I would of been cacking me pants cutting the bulkhead away. I really need to see this in the flesh guys. Well done everyone !!!

pete shrimp

06-08-2007, 12:50

14psi is near the limit of the standard 300ZX injectors IIRC :)

My old auto TT dynoed at 348BHP/367lbft with 12.5psi, on standard turbos, WMICs and injectors, to give you an indication of the power 14psi should give :cool:

Also (can't see pics at work, so sorry if it shows) are you running a FMIC? It'll need one at that boost :)

Loving the project! :cool:

John Bennett

06-08-2007, 13:24

Also (can't see pics at work, so sorry if it shows) are you running a FMIC? It'll need one at that boost :)

A pair of skyline GTS-T wing mount intercoolers, which look about the same size as an uprated (ND) S13 wingmounts. Bigger than the zed ones anyway.

It looks like all the fancy injectors need a post '94 injector rail (import cars only?) so that might need changing if we're to upgrade.

Nis

06-08-2007, 18:54

I'm sure the 555's will fit on the standard rails.

Ivan

Mad Man Dan

08-08-2007, 11:17

vids, vids, vids!!!! :clap:

John Bennett

08-08-2007, 11:23

vids, vids, vids!!!! :clap:

It's in bits again - changing the hydraulic tappets on one of the heads... Hopefully back together in the next few days, then I'll make it my mission to video some stuff.
I got a ride in it the other night with higher boost (not quite 14 PSI). It pulls equally as fierce in 3rd, 4th and 5th :eek: :D .

Mad Man Dan

08-08-2007, 11:39

I got a ride in it the other night with higher boost (not quite 14 PSI). It pulls equally as fierce in 3rd, 4th and 5th :eek: :D .

That's what I wanted to hear! :D

Good luck with getting it sorted

Colin Gibson

08-08-2007, 11:43

must have some 200mph barrier breaking potential there mate!

have you/are you planning to corner weigh the car? it would be very interesting to see what difference, if any, the slightly rearward engine situation might have on the balance. (maybe in comparison with an straight RB25/26 conversion or such like)

fry

10-08-2007, 17:20

Was going to get some sort of weight measurement from it just to see where it stands, I would settle for front and rear but if I can get the 4 corners sorted all the better

Few pics of the pipework

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/06082007067.jpg

Boost controller, surprisingly no where decent for it to live just yet
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/06082007070.jpg

And the engine in bits again to find the noisy tappets :annoyed:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/10082007079.jpg

Pete C

10-08-2007, 17:49

Love the pipework, especially the centrally mounted air filter, very symmetrical :D

See you've upgraded to a Z32 AFM already too :wack:

kriSX

10-08-2007, 18:24

Love the engine Fry but looks an absolute arse to work on, very complicated

sparks

10-08-2007, 18:29

Awesome work , look forward to seeing it in its new stages soon!

Cheers Sparks

fry

10-08-2007, 18:46

See you've upgraded to a Z32 AFM already too :wack:

You dont think its out of place then :wack:

I need an idle wheel for the timing belt if any one has a dead zed laying round doing nothing :D

John Bennett

11-08-2007, 14:56

Love the engine Fry but looks an absolute arse to work on, very complicated

It looks like a CA18 in a V internally, so nothing too scary. Timing belt is an arse though.
Once all the unnecessary bits are thrown away, it's not too bad - at least we've got slightly more room than in the Zed. Turbo manifolds are a no-go area though :eek:
As much as everyone (blindly) laughs at the SR20's top-end, I'll now add that I HATE the bucket tappets in the VG/RB/CA engines :mad: It's not going to be a happy house if this thing still rattles once it's back together. 'Reconditioning' them is pointless too (I cleaned all 24 ages ago), as they're just plain worn out in most cases.

alanjuggler

11-08-2007, 16:26

i feel so much better about spunking a lot of money buying a new set then :D

the inlet pipework is :cool: :D

fry

11-08-2007, 21:01

i feel so much better about spunking a lot of money buying a new set then :D

the inlet pipework is :cool: :D

How much did you pay for them ??

We found a couple were dead and a few that are suspect, will see what the rest look like after they spent a night in cleaner

MarkH

11-08-2007, 22:28

Great stuff guys, glad to see it happened,

BTW stock zed injectors are at 100% duty cycle at 15psi, phase 1 subaru injectors are 440cc, fit the rail and only require the connectors to be changed and of course the chip. They are 555's that fit the rail straight off though but spensive! John Dixon on the 300 forum, I am sure he would be glad to help on this interesting project, I think I mentioned him to mr bennett ;)

One thing for anyone considering this in the future, greddy make an oil filter relocation kit so it may give you more room for bits. Also the American cars have a different oil filter carrier so that may be worth investigiating.

Z1 Motorsports make a twin fan setup for the zed pretty cheap, and it looks like it would fit the zed NA rad/s13 rad setup!

alanjuggler

12-08-2007, 11:17

How much did you pay for them ??

We found a couple were dead and a few that are suspect, will see what the rest look like after they spent a night in cleaner

bought them off Luke here on the board, i think he'd imported a couple of sets of them - i assume VG30 ones, since they're the same.

i paid him £140 delivered, from memory. quite a lot, but they're still in the brown grease stuff they come in, all sealed. just waiting for the right time to put them in :)

not that bad - compared to nissan :eek:

fry

12-08-2007, 12:48

BTW stock zed injectors are at 100% duty cycle at 15psi, phase 1 subaru injectors are 440cc, fit the rail and only require the connectors to be changed and of course the chip

American cars have a different oil filter carrier so that may be worth investigiating.

Z1 Motorsports make a twin fan setup for the zed pretty cheap, and it looks like it would fit the zed NA rad/s13 rad setup!

440 sound like a start, I would like to try 17psi before 555 and bigger turbos because thats going to be expensive

The us market oil tree would be worth looking into, I did look at an oil filter relocating kit but its right at the top of the filter where the problem is and the kits i looked at were slightly proud at the top and were not going to be of an improvement over the filter.

The rad I have in is the tt rad it just looks lost in all that room, I would like a zed koyo or an ash spec which would be a big improvement over the standard but its going to have to wait cause I'm skint:(, the fan from the Vectra I used is quite impressive and drops the temperature very quickly when its switched on so it will have to do for the time being.

MarkH

12-08-2007, 15:58

Pointless going to 17 on the t25's they will last about 6 months with regular use, 15psi and u get a lifespan longer than the average mayfly ;)

If you have room widthways then use it, go for the NA rad they have a bigger surface area!

I agree with you on the oil reloc kit, but the greddy one has the outlet/inlet pipes pointing downwards so loads more room :)

fry

12-08-2007, 22:55

The t25's are on there last legs :D just want to find out what they will take, this engine was really just to see what we could get away with so its no big thing if they go, don't want to melt pistons unnecessarily though

seb.racing

12-08-2007, 23:03

super project

very good work

MarkH

12-08-2007, 23:08

MarkH

12-08-2007, 23:40

Maybe another little idea, is to use two afms, and the Safc to enable this, just an option if it makes the pipework easier for future conversions?

fry

12-08-2007, 23:44

15psi = 100% duty cycle, above that you are leaning out:cry:

Worry not I'm on the scooby injector trail :thumbs:

Just spending the night putting tappets back together :annoyed:

John Bennett

13-08-2007, 07:50

Maybe another little idea, is to use two afms, and the Safc to enable this, just an option if it makes the pipework easier for future conversions?

Rather than rely on rare Z32 AFMs, I'd thought about doing some tests on SR20 MAFs, to see the output difference under the same airflow, then using a pair of them on the stock ECU (with some simple scaling hardware to sum and divide them). Just a small matter of finding the time though :rolleyes: :( .

Does the ECU fuel both sides seperately normally (with the twin lambdas)? If so, I wonder why they used one MAF, when the RB's used two :confused: (or were they just summed and averaged to fuel every cylinder the same too??)

We're alright for parts at the moment, especially old T25s :D . It's just the irritation of changing them that sucks :(

McRearout

13-08-2007, 08:53

We're alright for parts at the moment, especially old T25s :D . It's just the irritation of changing them that sucks :(

Is it an engine out job then?

John Bennett

13-08-2007, 10:07

Is it an engine out job then?

I don't know, to be honest. It is on a 300zx (unless you're mad, have baby-sized double-jointed hands and like cutting up good spanners). We've got a tad more room, but I'd not relish doing it (was enough of a chore with the lump on the bench, seeing as the manifolds are so cramped)

McRearout

13-08-2007, 11:44

From one of the pictures on this thread, they look fairly accessible (in Nissan mini-hand terms :wack: ) from underneath. More so than on a CA but then you can't really see what its like by the manifold.

McRearout

13-08-2007, 11:45

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/12062007151.jpg

I take it back :wack:

MarkH

13-08-2007, 13:42

Rather than rely on rare Z32 AFMs, I'd thought about doing some tests on SR20 MAFs, to see the output difference under the same airflow, then using a pair of them on the stock ECU (with some simple scaling hardware to sum and divide them). Just a small matter of finding the time though :rolleyes: :( .

Does the ECU fuel both sides seperately normally (with the twin lambdas)? If so, I wonder why they used one MAF, when the RB's used two :confused: (or were they just summed and averaged to fuel every cylinder the same too??)

We're alright for parts at the moment, especially old T25s :D . It's just the irritation of changing them that sucks :(

Strangely enough I was thinking of the 2x sr20 afms last night, I really must get out more :D. The safc II has a mode where you can utilise two z32 afms, so it may have something for s14 mafs, plus it may let you run the 440 injectors straight out of the box?

The fueling is run as a whole, not split into either bank!

If your tubs are knacked then you may want to think about sticking on two t28's but a lot of fabbing is required!

fry

13-08-2007, 20:58

I take it back :wack:

And thats before half the hoses and the steering rod were fitted !

McRearout

13-08-2007, 22:34

And thats before half the hoses and the steering rod were fitted !
Looks a 'king mare, why not just turn the boost down a bit? It'll still be really fast.....

Big thumbs for doing something other people would shy away from :nod:
I wish I had a Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeennet laying about to help me with my daily mad automotive ideas :D

Good work lads :)

fry

13-08-2007, 23:05

Turn the boost down :eek: are you mad :wack:, I would still have a ca18 sitting in the car if I had never turned up the boost just a little

Pulsargt

14-08-2007, 08:07

I have a pair of N1 turbos from a rb26......one needs refurbing but you would be able to run these at 1.8 bar!!!!!

Will bring them accross to the next meet:D

Pete C

14-08-2007, 08:22

Turn the boost down :eek: are you mad :wack:, I would still have a ca18 sitting in the car if I had never turned up the boost just a little

I like this man's attitude :D

MarkH

14-08-2007, 08:55

I have a pair of N1 turbos from a rb26......one needs refurbing but you would be able to run these at 1.8 bar!!!!!

Will bring them accross to the next meet:D

I believe the fabbing to make them fit, would need go to brunel for supervision:wack:

John Bennett

14-08-2007, 09:25

I believe the fabbing to make them fit, would need to brunel for supervision:wack:

So we couldn't do it with blocks of steel and our shiny new CAD-controlled wire-erosion and milling machines at my work then? :( :D

stuee69

14-08-2007, 10:10

I like this man's attitude :D

HEAR, HEAR!!!!!!!!!!:clap:

MarkH

14-08-2007, 10:11

So we couldn't do it with blocks of steel and our shiny new CAD-controlled wire-erosion and milling machines at my work then? :( :D

Dam you, Bennett :D

stuee69

14-08-2007, 10:12

Turn the boost down :eek: are you mad :wack:, I would still have a ca18 sitting in the car if I had never turned up the boost just a little

HaHaHaHa ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:annoyed:

fry

14-08-2007, 17:34

I believe the fabbing to make them fit, would need go to brunel for supervision:wack:

I always liked Mr Isambard Kingdom Brunel, and if he had a 200sx i believe it would be powered by 4 v12 engines with a single turbo cast by the devil himself.

I have a pair of N1 turbos from a rb26......one needs refurbing but you would be able to run these at 1.8 bar!!!!!

Will bring them accross to the next meet:D

Mark those N1 tubs sound very interesting, I'm not bothered how much wire john has to pretend to loose on his new fangled wire erosion machine in the name of research :thumbs:

Look forward to seeing them :thumbs:

McRearout

15-08-2007, 09:24

Turn the boost down :eek: are you mad :wack:, I would still have a ca18 sitting in the car if I had never turned up the boost just a little

I know, but that is so easy to type on a keyboard :wack: If only it was that easy to not want to actually turn the boost up :wack:

fry

07-10-2007, 10:13

The tapping noise from the fooked tappets eventually got the better of me so it came apart

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/10082007079-1.jpg

This threw up a few minor problems nothing too bad worst one was the rocker cover next to the brake servo which was never designed to come off with the engine in the car as basically i never gave it a thought :wack: getting the rear lower bolt out was interesting.

Following and slightly going of script I used a write up from one of the z boards to fully strip and rebuild the tappets, I discarded a few that for what ever reason decided to not behave, sticking ball valves or valves not sealing, one of the seats in the piston that the valve goes into was noticeably oval and refused to seal causing the valve to lose compression and no doubt knock as it was whacked by the cam, one tappet's piston assy was sticking in the tappet body and refused to relocate properly.

24 tappets stripped dipped cleaned and polished ready for reassembly
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/tappets.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/12082007081.jpg

It only took a couple of hours to strip the top end down but it took a few evenings to put it all back together :cry:

MarkH

07-10-2007, 12:53

Top stuff hope it all, comes to fruition!

TM_S13

07-10-2007, 13:59

wow !! nice project... very nice indeed
...

keep up ;)

John Bennett

08-10-2007, 08:44

Top stuff hope it all, comes to fruition!

Fry took those photos a little while back. It wasn't making any tapping noises last night (and it was moving rather well :eek: :D )
I imagine bigger turbos are still the plan for next year, but we've not done much tinkering on it of late (he's still having fun driving it).

McRearout

08-10-2007, 09:02

video clips
;)

igralec

08-10-2007, 16:48

video clips
;)

:nod: :thumbs:

John Bennett

08-10-2007, 16:58

fry's gone on holiday for 2 weeks (and I don't know where the keys are), so a vid will have to wait a little.
It's sort of difficult to video much that wouldn't end up illegal after a few seconds :wack:

fry

28-01-2008, 21:20

video clips
;)

Ok we have been a bit lazy on the vid front so we shall get our fingers out before its pulled apart again.

Plan B is about to be undertaken :D

joes13sx

28-01-2008, 22:16

come on get a vid up of her singing:nod::D

M.D.

28-01-2008, 22:21

we want vids lol

Lee75

01-02-2008, 19:23

What's plan B?, Vids :whip:get on with it:D

John Bennett

03-02-2008, 16:34

What's plan B?, Vids :whip:get on with it:D

Same engine, a smidge more power*. Running two T25s at 110% wasn't enough to keep fry amused for long :rolleyes: :wack:

It's parked up at the mo for a break. We'll get a vid of the engine before it comes to pieces again though.

*details a secret until it's done.

Nis

03-02-2008, 17:37

You know you want 2 TD06 18G's hanging off it.

Ivan

fry

04-02-2008, 16:40

You know you want 2 TD06 18G's hanging off it.

Ivan

Close but no cigar, I want a little bit less lag than tdo6's, and any way thats plan C, let me get through plan B first :wack:

MarkH

06-02-2008, 11:37

I know someone with a TD05-18g setup at a bargain price bud!

fry

11-02-2008, 21:56

What's plan B?, Vids :whip:get on with it:D

Plan B involves a pair of the following.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF1591.jpg

Not very original these days but I like them

M.D.

11-02-2008, 22:01

s15 front then :D. perfect addition to an exelent engine conversion imo

fry

11-02-2008, 22:25

I have had them for ages and if I don't fit them soon there is a risk of me selling them to raise funds for other car parts.

Still need to pull the engine to attend to a few other bits and bobs.

This is my exhaust bung

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF1567.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF1568.jpg

I have a quiet exhaust as standard which converts to something a little bit more pleasing to the ear, much better than trying to make a loud one quiet

John Bennett

16-06-2008, 09:57

Despite us being too busy to make any videos :o, I just noticed there's a clip of launch vid from the weekender here: http://vid148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/TrIcK361/15062008014.flv (3rd car in). :cool:

Wish I'd been there to witness it :cry:

madcowman

16-06-2008, 10:04

It was the first passenger ride up the hill i did John and it scared the beejezus out of me :)

John Bennett

16-06-2008, 10:16

It was the first passenger ride up the hill i did John and it scared the beejezus out of me :)

Was that due to the car, or the driver? :wack:

Evilchap

16-06-2008, 10:19

I also had a passenger ride up the hill, and it was excellent :D

Only on the way back down the hill was it mentioned that the only modification to the car is the engine, and that brakes / suspension were pretty much original! :eek:

Thanks for the ride though, was excellent fun :D

madcowman

16-06-2008, 10:19

Was that due to the car, or the driver? :wack:

both ;)

marty_t3

16-06-2008, 10:24

Thoroughly enjoyed my passenger ride fry :thumbs: best sleeper car in the club imo :nod: It'll be rediculous with some bigger turbo's and more boost :D

Evilchap

16-06-2008, 10:27

It's already rediculous, it'd just be more scary IMO :D

John Bennett

16-06-2008, 10:27

Only on the way back down the hill was it mentioned that the only modification to the car is the engine, and that brakes / suspension were pretty much original! :eek:

Yeah, fry mentioned telling someone that - it's adjustable front shocks and 300zx brakes+discs all round so it's a smidge better than stock. Rear ARB droplinks are still made from B&Q door stops though :D

I'd not have had the balls to accept a ride in it, but I am a wuss of a passenger :wack:

Evilchap

16-06-2008, 10:32

TM_S13

16-06-2008, 10:33

looks nice the vg30dett on the s13...

16-06-2008, 11:20

To be honest, after going up in that Civic, everything else was a bit better off the line, but nowhere near as exciting round the twisties... is was small enough to give it the beans round the tight corners, and had a useful 1st.

I also liked the built in foot-warmer for the passengers, a thoughtful touch I felt :wack:

Chris' Civ? Anyone who rags on fwd NEEDS to go in that car :nod: more oversteer than most of the RWD's :D

Fry - car looked awesome - pleeease don't strawberry it! As a sleeper it's just fecking brilliant :smitten: sounds ace, goes like stink and it just oozing cool. Did look a tad smokey though :D

fry

16-06-2008, 16:04

Thanks for the comments, glad you enjoyed the rides, I was happy to just keep going round and round :D

In fairness to the car the turbo's were fooked last year, to get it down I had to up the viscosity of the oil to stop it smoking for the ride down, so the progressive increase in smoke was not un expected, Its a shame the clutch couldn't take 1 bar as .8 didn't really do the car justice.

The amount of stick I gave it though can put to rest any doubts that the vg30dett is not a good engine, also the ohhhh that car wont handle well because the engine weighs more than an Elephant brigade, can go jump off a bridge of their own choosing :D.

Need to start spending money on it now though :(

Aitch

16-06-2008, 16:24

I got a number of pictures of your car Fry, but you were going so fast that my camera couldn't keep up :wack:

This is about the best I got...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v21/1Aitch/The%20Weekender/BILD1202.jpg

fry

16-06-2008, 16:43

Cheers that's not too bad, :thumbs:

I don't have many of it, the cars not really photogenic :wack: I did give a ride to a young lad with a camera who thinks he got a shot of it with one wheel off the deck I do hope he remembers to post it some where

M@1975

15-09-2008, 12:54

That's such an awesome build, I used to love the sound of my old zed, silver SWB was one of the best cars I've ever owned.... until I saw my petrol bill....

fry

15-09-2008, 19:10

283 miles on one tank of fuel, I don't think that's too bad, mind you It's not having to haul all the lard round that comes with the zed as standard :wack:

ep1centre

15-09-2008, 20:43

hi ya fry,

well the young lad might have been me, not sure tho as i did get pics of wheels up in the air but i'm not sure wether i told you about it, i remember telling some one and theirs came out blurred and unfortunatly yours didnt quite get much air, not that i manage to shoot any way!

i did post my pics on the original weekender thread but here goes a couple of yours and a couple of the ones i actualy manage to shoot while in the air.

by the way, thanks for the ride up that was insane and scary... but in a good way!

some of you:
(sorry for the terrible quality but photobucket resized them, i got HQ versions if anyone wants any)

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/SXOC%20Weekender%2006-08/IMG_1485.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/SXOC%20Weekender%2006-08/IMG_1463.jpg

And out of probably 100 pictures plus just trying to catch the "air" bit these are the only ones i managed to get decent shots out of

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/SXOC%20Weekender%2006-08/IMG_1481.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/SXOC%20Weekender%2006-08/IMG_1480.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/SXOC%20Weekender%2006-08/IMG_1476.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/SXOC%20Weekender%2006-08/IMG_1459.jpg

fry

16-06-2009, 06:36

Well as its Prescott time again very soon I thought I had better get me finger out and try and stop some of the blue stuff coming out the back of the car, the marshals didn't seem to mind it, those that had to go round after me might have, those who passed me on the a1 on the way back certainly did mind it :wack:

Its easier lifting the car off the engine, it just fits between the chassis rails by a mm each side with everything other than the throttle body with the tps spindle removed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF2568.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF2569.jpg

I only dropped it enough to get access to the turbo, allowing me to leave the propshaft attached.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF2570.jpg

One very dead oil seal, although its not the oil seal that was the problem its wear on the core where the seal runs that's caused it to go.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/fry1/DSCF2576.jpg

Need to get the replacement turbo up and running asap to make sure I have enough time to pull it out again if its fooked.

John Bennett

16-06-2009, 07:47

What are the changes of running the engine out the car to test the turbos?..... :D

I take it the core didn't like the new oil seal?

swiftmini

16-06-2009, 08:49

Beast!

ricey

16-06-2009, 10:41

nice one :)

bags of room there man:rolleyes:

shaboy

16-06-2009, 12:49

:notworthy

just read this thread and there's not much i can say really but :clap:

i've had thoughts about putting a VG unit in an S13 since i first got mine but after seeing a snipit of the work invloved i think i'll give it a miss :annoyed: and just wait till you get fed up with fixing it and want to sell it for next to nothing :D

fry

16-06-2009, 13:17

What are the changes of running the engine out the car to test the turbos?..... :D

I take it the core didn't like the new oil seal?

Core was scrap, my fault for not looking at it properl before rebuilding it, its worn uneven.

16-06-2009, 17:31

Scougar

16-06-2009, 17:58

Great work fry! Shame about the turbo though. How hard is it likely to be to get a matching turbo? Or are you getting them rebuilt?

John Bennett

16-06-2009, 18:27

I too have just read this project start-to-finish & man, I thought I had it bad with my car...! :eek: Hats-off to both of you! :notworthy

What did you do with the RB26 N1 turbos in the end? Are they T25's that can take 1.8bar??
I don't think the one we got was an N1 in the end, so it wasn't worth the hassle trying to make it fit or find another one.

Great work fry! Shame about the turbo though. How hard is it likely to be to get a matching turbo? Or are you getting them rebuilt?
We had 6 of them at one point (3 VG engines :wack: ). Left and right are the same, I think I recall, so finding a matching one isn't hard. Finding a good one is....
Fry rebuilt the last pair - one of them held out, the other is pictured above :wack: Certainly not worth having another shot with a knacked core :no:

fry

16-06-2009, 21:34

Great work fry! Shame about the turbo though. How hard is it likely to be to get a matching turbo? Or are you getting them rebuilt?

Its alive, spare has been removed, fitted and is working, still got lots to do yet but all the fiddly stuff is done, spent an hour playing hunt the boost leak, used a bottle of co2 and tin of leak spray.

The turbo that died had a hard life, it was on its last legs when I fitted the engine, it then put up with a year of abuse, its no wonder it was beyond repair :wack:

Need to get zaust and front suspension back together, then its a set of brembo's for the front, going to have to do some work with the twin wmic's to clear the 18" wheels though, why is nothing easy :wack:

fry

26-06-2009, 09:45

I have an MOT and no smoke ( so far ).

Got an advisory for arches :wack: and handbrake is a bit low on one side but still within limits.

Lowering springs getting picked up on Sunday, arches coming next week from srb fingers crossed and a big thanks for letting me jump the Q :D

Waiting on brackets to get brembo's and 320 disks on the front.

Soon as I know the arches are on the way I will be taking to the car with grinder, should be fun, pics to follow.

Bad bit is the clutch slave is starting to leak a little I hope it can hang in there till the weekender.

ricey

26-06-2009, 13:02

good good. you want is to see if i can sort out a slave cylinder cheap?:)

John Bennett

26-06-2009, 13:08

Soon as I know the arches are on the way I will be taking to the car with grinder, should be fun, pics to follow.
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Surely you just need to pull with your hands to remove them? :D

good good. you want is to see if i can sort out a slave cylinder cheap?:)
If you can, let me know the price as I need one too :wack:

ricey

26-06-2009, 18:06

Surely you just need to pull with your hands to remove them? :D

i was thinking that lol! yeah ill have a word. text is what you need:)

20-01-2010, 02:30

Any updates on this at all? :) Also, have you any pics of how the engine was mounted (mounts) or any shots of how far back the engine/box sits from underneath?

Would it have been possible to use a Z32 crossmember to mount the engine instead of the S13 one? (Like with RB conversions)

ricey

20-01-2010, 12:54

there will be updates soon jp :)

just waitin on some little bits and bobs

21-01-2010, 02:53

:D Looking forward to it! :thumbs:

Poke Fry & ask him the above questions if you're at his place wilya please? :)

M.D.

21-01-2010, 18:20

any latest pics of this project, did you get raped for the price of the clutch slave cylinder, i did the other day and was wondering if you know where to get them cheaper than 70 quid!!!!!

fry

22-01-2010, 20:00

z32 front member is wider and different to s13 or other S chassis rb etc :(, the engine is far enough back so that the solenoid for the vtc is about 1mm away from the bulkhead on the driver side, passenger side is in the car a couple of inches.

I can take any pics you want when its out or in let me know what your after

Will be pulling the engine out yet again for clutch and other slight problems :wack:

MD not replaced slave cylinder yet but could really do with changing it or fitting new seals as it starting to weep a little and an uprated clutch is unlikely to help.

22-01-2010, 22:40

z32 front member is wider and different to s13 or other S chassis rb etc :(, the engine is far enough back so that the solenoid for the vtc is about 1mm away from the bulkhead on the driver side, passenger side is in the car a couple of inches.
Where would the engine have sat had you not chopped the firewall & would it still have sat happily on the S-chassis mounts/crossmember?

Would it have been possible to use a Skyline crossmember to mount the VG instead of the S13 one for better clearance?

Pics-wise:
1) How the engine is currently mounted (shots of the mounts/X-member)?
2) Any shots of how far back the engine/box sits from underneath? (Taken from the side of the car half-way between them with engine still in the car)

ricey

27-03-2010, 22:55

right as fry never bothers his arse to update ill to it for him:p

right here goes , :)

as most no fry has a to be done by date for beginning of may , and to say he has alot to do is errrr .......an understatement , to day i meet fry and we went to work on the car armed with a few boxs:)

fry started playing with some turbo water feed pipes on the engine while i started on fitting and setting up these :)

BEFORE

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/john200sx/Photo0264.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/john200sx/Photo0267.jpg

AFTER

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/john200sx/Photo0271.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/john200sx/Photo0270.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/john200sx/Photo0263.jpg

BEFORE COILOVERS

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/john200sx/Photo0265.jpg

AFTER

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/john200sx/Photo0266.jpg

thats as low as fry wants to go tho :ghey:

while i was busy doing that fry started on fitting the new bushes to the tension arms:nod: looked a pig of a job :D

new buses in

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/john200sx/Photo0272.jpg

this is frys idea of a interior mod :wack:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/john200sx/Photo0273.jpg

and a sad looking engine bay :(

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/john200sx/Photo0276.jpg

and engine on crane

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/john200sx/Photo0274.jpg

sump oil leak fixed and resealed

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/john200sx/Photo0275.jpg

quick pick of frys 320mm evo discs and calipers :)

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/john200sx/Photo0278.jpg

i have also taking his fly wheel to take to be ground ready for the new clutch next weekend

hopefully more to come soon:thumbs: