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So there's no replacement for displacement. Fair enough But why not add forced induction too:nod:
Just about to start helping this project get off the gound... Should be fun!
S14 + 1UZ FE
In other words, take the light V8 out of a Lexus LS400 and delicately thump it into an S14
:smash:
Details to follow
Cheers Dan:thumbs:
Right, Project: Oni Kudaki or demon crusher is something that I have been thinking about since last August when I bought a Lexus LS400 for my daily driver and started looking in to what could be done with them and i was quite surprised to find a forum full of people who mod these engines and the figures they were making, for example 518rwhp from a stock engine turbo`d with 17psi of boost and carefull tuning:eek: so I started thinking about maybe putting a turbo on the Lexus, the natural progression of my thoughts led me to think that would be a silly idea as it`s an auto barge and the engine would be better placed somewhere else and manual.......
Now where could i put the engine?? in the S14 that has spent the last 3 years in my garage doing nothing that`s where!!
So far I have my S14 and a spare LS400 (thanks to Moby Dick:thumbs: )
This weekend as long as the weather stays good the S14 will make it`s way out in to daylight again for me to strip it down ready for the conversion to start.:cool:
Ps see my thread in the for sale section;)
SpencerS14
15-03-2007, 21:46
another promising project.
i love :sxoc:
SteveDunn
15-03-2007, 22:14
Individual throttle bodies!!
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/1uz/0/7b692cb1-db71-418e-b4d6-3b5fb0148d73.htm
more along these lines is what i`m thinking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65rQO6mJScY&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdlx3ajELV0
Twin Turbo:thumbs:
SteveDunn
15-03-2007, 22:38
Alright fair play :D
So your actually starting it then :cool:
If you want a hand tomorrow give me a shout... I can bring a hammer:wack:
madcowman
16-03-2007, 09:50
I look forward to seeing this :)
Nice one fella:thumbs:
We should have a mutant 200sx day at the pod next year:nod: :thumbs:
Would be a hoot to see what a differance an engine makes on the 200sx chassis
--lorien--
16-03-2007, 13:56
Cool, will be following this one! :thumbs:
still think it sounds like "uncle duckie" :D
(when said with a dodgy chinese / japanese accent - think pretending to be a streetfighter character after half a bottle of sake and you should be there)
I started moving everything around today so I could start work on the cars and took a few pics, first time in daylight for quite a while the tax ran out 09 03!!That`s when I took it off the road.
It`s a bit dusty and some mice had decided to make a nest in the boot, they must have sneaked in through the hole where I had removed one of the rear lights!!
DanS14 and Cloudy popped round this afternoon to see how things were going and I had just unbolted the exhaust on the Lexus just after the cats, man it`s an awsome sound:eek: Cloudy took some video of the lexus running and also the S14 so I can take the engine out and still be able to show anyone who wants to buy it how nice it runs hopefully that will get put up later.
http://209.18.100.181/userpics/lib7/P3170187.JPG
http://209.18.100.181/userpics/lib7/P3170188.JPG
http://209.18.100.181/userpics/lib7/P3170185.JPG
I`ll write some more up when I get time as I have to go out with the mrs now.
Sounds ace, good luck!!
Drop us a PM if you need a spare pair of hands to help out too :)
madcowman
17-03-2007, 18:10
and you can just see the donor LS400 on the left :)
Matty2Fatty
20-03-2007, 11:30
wow! cool :) I'll be happy to get in the way if you need a hand, sounds like something to keep an eye on :nod:
As Mark said myself and Dan popped over on Saturday... Mark is a nutter :wack:
I've got some footage of the S14 running and more importantly the V8 running. Unfortunately its causing me some grief atm but it will be available for all to see by the weekend.
omg v6 with tbs why do we not have a drool smiley such noise :)
omg v6 with tbs why do we not have a drool smiley such noise :)
Err dude, this is a V8:D
V8 indeed, sounds like a Nascar atm:wack:
will you have to fabricate custom engine mounts to mount it, or will it be easier to try and mount it using the existing mounts and what transmission will you be using?
will be keeping an eye on this, looks like an awesome project.
Thanks for all the offers of help guys:thumbs: I`ll be sure to let you know if I need any:sxoc:
There will be quite a few things needing fabrication, mounts,prop etc as there always is with an engine conversion especially one from a different manufacturer.
The gearbox will be a Mk 3 Supra R154 5 speed manual to begin with, if I reach the limit of that box then there is the alternative of using a Tremec TKO 600 which can handle over 600 ft/lb of torque but i`m trying to keep the initial costs down and just get the engine in the car and running.
The 3 things I am not sure on at the moment are what to do about the brake booster as I think will foul the right bank, to go turbo or supercharged and also what an S14 diff aftermarket or otherwise can handle and what the possible alternatives are.
Jezz_S13
20-03-2007, 17:11
I don't think you will have a problem with the STD S14 diff and power, they are pretty much bombproof.
The_BULK
20-03-2007, 17:31
cool project looking forward to seeing this progress :thumbs:
nice project :thumbs:
you seen this vid? :eek:
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/1uz/0/843bc1f0-1df1-4d66-acb2-98c100596db8.htm
sorry not up on lexus wasn't paying much attention to vids at work :( i got the v right though :)
Here`s a nice little vid of an Ultima GTR fitted with a 1UZFE TT with 902bhp doing 0-211mph in 19seconds:cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0CBRZhcB9E&mode=related&search=
First start up of the car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCrQaOfZutE&mode=related&search=
was for sale on Pistonheads:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/96029.htm
Should be a mental car once finished, good luck to you sir :thumbs:
Looks a great project :thumbs:
Have you decided on what form of forced induction you'll use? And what's the car going to be for - drag, track, commuting? :wack:
you are creating an absolute monster!!!! :notworthy :notworthy
i :smitten: :sxoc:
will be watching this with great interest!:D
Looks a great project :thumbs:
Have you decided on what form of forced induction you'll use? And what's the car going to be for - drag, track, commuting? :wack:
I will most likely be using turbos as that`s what I know, to begin with it will be n/a just to get the engine in the car and iron out any problems there may be, the next step will be to convert to an aftermarket ECU (not saying which one coz it`s a secret and as yet has no name ;) )
once that is done i will start on the turbo installation then the engine will be rebuilt with low compression pistons, rods and cams:thumbs:
I will be using the car just as a toy with obvious drag uses and possibly drift, will have to see how it turns out.
Almost forgot to update :D
the V8 is nearly ready for removal i spent a couple of hours yesterday stripping it and will hopefully pull the engine this weekend then I can strip out the S14, I have a Supra R154 gearbox coming next week and also hopefully the adapter plate to bolt the auto V8 bellhousing to the Supra box and the fun can begin:D
Been busy this afternoon pulling the engine out of the Lexus, no easy task when the car is on grass and on a slight angle:wack:
Finally got it out and pulled the autobox and aircon pump off:thumbs:
here are some pics:
Engine and box out!
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=43862&d=1174759991
The space left behind in the Lexus
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=43863&d=1174760007
V8, Yeah baby!!!!
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=43859&d=1174759958
more V8 lovelyness:smitten:
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=43861&stc=1&d=1174760540
Now I just need to wait for the Supra gearbox to arrive and the adapter plate
In the mean time I will start stripping the S14 down:thumbs:
Looks fantastic mate, hopefully I'll get a chance to pop down and have look ;)
Very interesting project. Cant wait to see the final result :thumbs:
Knowing how good this engine is in standard form and in the LS400, I dread to think what it's going to be like turboed and in a S14:eek: :eek:
Good luck:D
BTW, are you going to be using the standard LS400 PAS pump ;)
SteveDunn
24-03-2007, 21:43
Could I ask how much the R154 cost? I needed one for my old Soarer as it was fookered, the new owner asked me if I knew the other night... :)
Knowing how good this engine is in standard form and in the LS400, I dread to think what it's going to be like turboed and in a S14:eek: :eek:
Good luck:D
BTW, are you going to be using the standard LS400 PAS pump ;)
I was, why do you ask?
Could I ask how much the R154 cost? I needed one for my old Soarer as it was fookered, the new owner asked me if I knew the other night... :)
I got mine for £260 delivered complete with prop and all the other bits, if you need one pm me and i`ll pass on the details of where I got mine from:thumbs:
I was, why do you ask?
I could do with one as mine is the only part of my car that's getting tired:wack:
I could do with one as mine is the only part of my car that's getting tired:wack:
Ahh i see, I kind of broke the vacuum pipes off it getting it out of the car:(
So I need one too lol
Just a quick update, spent a couple of hours last night and tonight stripping the front of the S14 down,bumper, lights, intercooler ,rad, aircon rad, turbo kit, prop and all the wiring off the engine and gearbox so hopefully tomorrow night I can just whip the engine and box out and see how the V8 fits in the hole :whip: I have done some measuring and it`s going to be tight:eek:
Just a quick update, spent a couple of hours last night and tonight stripping the front of the S14 down,bumper, lights, intercooler ,rad, aircon rad, turbo kit, prop and all the wiring off the engine and gearbox so hopefully tomorrow night I can just whip the engine and box out and see how the V8 fits in the hole :whip: I have done some measuring and it`s going to be tight:eek:
That'll make a nice change :p :D:D:D:D:D
The big question is..... Are you actually going to finish this one though? :D
That'll make a nice change :p :D:D:D:D:D
The big question is..... Are you actually going to finish this one though? :D
Of course I am you cheaky sod!!!!
Is there room to fit twin turbos either side of the engine?
Is there room to fit twin turbos either side of the engine?
No I don`t think so, they will have to go in front i think but I should be able to see tomorrow:thumbs:
Come on then Mark, get the new pics up ;)
I popped round to see him yesterday and the 1UZ is looking right at home in the S14 I can't wait to hear it running :thumbs:
Come on then Mark, get the new pics up ;)
I popped round to see him yesterday and the 1UZ is looking right at home in the S14 I can't wait to hear it running :thumbs:
Yeah I've seen an MX5 with a 1UZ fitted, so fitting one in a S14 should be easy enough.
No I don`t think so, they will have to go in front i think but I should be able to see tomorrow:thumbs:
Supercharger on top of the engine maybe:confused:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x9YV4SN-Kw&mode=related&search=
Some more pics from Mark's place - this time of the gearbox and adaptor plate in place. The 5 speed Supra box is far chunkier looking than the sr20 box we had nearby!
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The shift action was pretty nice too, like a slightly longer civic/s2000 snick
Oh and if you get bored you can use a big sharp thing to chop through prop shafts in 5 seconds!
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Cheers for putting those pics up Dan:thumbs:
As you can see I now have the gearbox and adapter
Here is a pic of the engine sitting in the S14:
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=44138&d=1175370586
It`s a tight sqeeze to say the least!!
Looks like it was made to go in there:thumbs:
Woooh, that does look a bit tight, but it seems right at home! :D
i can't see the pic :(
You need to be signed into www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb:nod:
disco-tom
11-04-2007, 19:58
Excellent work! :thumbs:
Did I miss it somewhere, or have you not said where the gearbox adaptor work was done/supplied from? And how does it fit the transmission tunnel of the S14?
Have you put all the stuff back in or is that an old photo? :p
slipperywhenwet
12-04-2007, 10:36
i am sure that the turbos would fit in front of that sexy lump, you could even separate them from the rest of the bay with a bulkhead, much better for overall underbonnet temps (just a thought:wack: )
as above top man for this build :sxoc:
Excellent work! :thumbs:
Did I miss it somewhere, or have you not said where the gearbox adaptor work was done/supplied from? And how does it fit the transmission tunnel of the S14?
The adapter was supplied by Thor Racing, the shifter is about 6 inches forward of the S14 one but there may be an easy solution to that.
Have you put all the stuff back in or is that an old photo? :p
That`s an old photo, I`m going to put some new ones up when I make some more progress, at the moment I`m clearing out and tidying up in my garage:smash:
Awesome, keep it up :) Don't forget SXOC members will be there if you need the help :)
Matthew
Any updates?
Could I ask how you're going to fabricate the engine mounts? And could you post some pictures of them, when they're done? :)
No updates at the moment I`m swamped with housework:ghey:
I`ll be putting pics up of everything don`t worry:thumbs:
looks awesome!!!! just needs a 14a front end conversion :p
No updates at the moment I`m swamped with housework:ghey:
I`ll be putting pics up of everything don`t worry:thumbs:
Get a move on :whip:
I thought you'd given up on it! If you need a hand again mate just give me a shout :D
I should be able to update tomorrow with pics if i get round to it, some progress has been made:thumbs: ;)
About time too,slacker:whip: :D
Ooo....
The suspense is killing me!
Oi Gandalf wheres these pictures:whip: :wack:
Oi Gandalf wheres these pictures:whip: :wack:
You can talk Mr :ghey: facial hair:p where`s that video you said you would put up several months ago??? hmmmmm???? yeah exactly!!!
:wack: :D :D
:wack: I knew I forgot something, I'll try and sort it this weekend.
Now get those pics up :whip:
***UPDATE***
Finally decided to take a break from the house and get on with the car, these are the engine mounts that I have made to bolt up to the standard 200sx mounts:
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=46295&stc=1&d=1181304233
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=46296&stc=1&d=1181304234
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=46297&stc=1&d=1181304235
This is how they look bolted up:
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=46298&stc=1&d=1181304240
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=46299&stc=1&d=1181304239
simple but effective :thumbs:
I have mounted the engine as far back as I can to give me as much space in front of the engine as possible and also because the Supra box is about 5 inches shorter than the S14 one, I made a couple of temporary brackets to hold the shifter central to the tunnel and this is how the shifter lines up:
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=46300&stc=1&d=1181304704
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=46301&stc=1&d=1181304743
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=46302&stc=1&d=1181304762
As you can see even though the shifter starts futher forward, a slight rake on the rod puts the knob almost central with the original hole, it`s probably about an inch futhar forward from standard and doesn`t really make any difference to shifting comfort :thumbs:
The dash will need modifiing but that`s simple enough and I have some ideas in mind :)
Here you can see just how close it is to the bulkhead, there is about 1 cm clearance for the coolant hoses that come from the heater matrix to the back of the block:
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=46303&stc=1&d=1181305514
There is also very little clearence from the sump to the steering rack, I want the engine to sit as low as possible so the bonnet will shut, the sump may need modifying to give a bit more clearence:
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=46304&stc=1&d=1181305514
One place I have struck lucky is the fact that the front half of the S14 and Supra props are the same diameter so I just cut and shut them to the right length length, I then put a sleeve over the join and clamped it to keep it straight, there is also some adjustment in lenght so it will not be welded until everything is finalised.
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=46305&stc=1&d=1181305559
The next big hurdle I need to overcome is that there is no room in the engine bay for the clutch master cylinder or brake booster, there is room to put the clutch inside the cabin but i`m a bit stumped as to what to do with the brake booster, I have been looking at pedal boxes but this car will need good brakes and I`m not to sure about loosing the booster, any ideas or experience with pedal boxes (ie AP or Tilton) would be welcome :thumbs:
Blimey, you have been busy, looking good mate:thumbs:
SteveDunn
14-07-2007, 13:30
Have you had any progress on the brake booster? Very interested ;)
Christ, how have I missed this before now?!?!
Good work Mate, can't wait to see this up and running :thumbs:
Have you had any progress on the brake booster? Very interested ;)
A solution has been found - found under the bonnet of an E Type Jag!
Hope he's not got bored of it yet :whip: :p
Bump, what's going on with this? :)
Looks like parkers fears have been realised.
SteveDunn
08-04-2008, 14:32
Half of it is now in my car...
And the other half turned into an Rx-8!
this year he's been mainly modding... his house...
bloody good work it is too though :)
this year he's been mainly modding... his house...
and removing the 5/6 cars from his driveway:wack:
last time i turned up it was rx7, s14, ls400, and legacy wagon!! the nutcase! half the original 14 bits are sat in my garage now too!! Shame he gave up,but the rx8 is nice!
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