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Paul_S13

11-03-2007, 20:07

Well I thought fcuk it why not class my heap as a "project" and I may try to drift it if it ever gets finished.

The bodywork isn't too bad but it needs a few little bits done.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v124/Jeremy200/DSCF0704.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/pauls13200/14122006079.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/pauls13200/11032007054.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/pauls13200/mani.jpg

http://www.dirtymonkey.org/vids/paul_charger.mp4

Me spec...

Engine

CA18DE soon to be CA18DES
4-2-1 stainless manifold
Custom exhaust system
Apexi Filter
3 foot of PVC pipe
Homebrewed chip
CG Motorsport Clutch
DB Brakes quickshift
Cusco engine mounts

Chassis

KYB AGX's
Chassis Dynamics Springs with one coil off the fronts cos it was too high innit!
Poly TC arm bushes
Rose jointed rear camber arms
8x17 Compomotive MO's ET20 front and back
345mm AMG CL55 front discs
R33 GTS-T calipers
Aston Martin DB7 Redstuff front pads
Godspeed Antiroll bars
Custom rear strut brace
180SX rear spats & centre section
Cusco safety 21 through dash 6 point cage
Rear arches rolled by Archenemy - recommended :thumbs:

Interior
S14 leather seats front/back
Luke 3 point harness
Boost gauge molded into steering column
Oil pressure gauge in Door card
Wideband reader in dash
Nismo gear knob

Too be fitted

1.9mm Cometic head gasket
Jag XJ6 eaton m90 supercharger
Evo 6 FMIC and....
RB25 throttle body and.....
550cc injectors
Welded diff
CA16DE cam
VEMS engine management

Shopping list

Kaaz 2-way
Better clutch
Respray (black maybe)
Front strut brace
DB Brakes coilovers

Thanks to -

Archenemy
DB Brakes & Performance
RADS_S13 for the help
Kev, Mike & DanE for the negative encouragement!
Team D:Mon members for parts I've been given and got cheap and the use of the unit!

Damn, I've done more than I thought! :D

SteveDunn

11-03-2007, 20:36

You should fit a rollcage to it! :D

Will be cool when it's done. At the moment though it's just ****ing loud and ****ing slow :D

Paul_S13

11-03-2007, 20:38

You should fit a rollcage to it! :D

You offering to do it? :wack: :D :D

Will be cool when it's done. At the moment though it's just ****ing loud and ****ing slow :D

Errrrr yeah.....:( :D

Kev

11-03-2007, 20:53

Good to see young Paul ;)
Why the rb26 AFM though, doesnt make sence to me mate, u have an AFM for a 1.3 to replace an AFM for a 1.8:confused:

For referance i have an RB25 AFM and and RB25 TB to go on this week actually :wack:

Now more pics of the supercharged madness !!!:D :D

Paul_S13

11-03-2007, 20:54

It was a bit bigger and cheap cheap cheap, not too fussed if I use it or not, looking like VEMS anyway after talking to Phatbob :notworthy so MAP sensor it will be. :)

Mikesx13

11-03-2007, 20:58

Liking the 180sx rear stuff, would look even sweeter with some 180sx skirts on there.

Get some pics of the interior and brakes up :nod: :)

Paul_S13

11-03-2007, 21:09

Will do boss, I have to tidy it up inside first though :wack: :D

dan e

11-03-2007, 21:11

looking like VEMS anyway after talking to Phatbob :notworthy so MAP sensor it will be. :)

Dooooo it :nod:

Fake Ben Taylor

11-03-2007, 22:35

glad to see this in projects finally buddy :thumbs:

whats the timescale for completion looking like?

Paul_S13

12-03-2007, 10:52

Some brake pics....

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/pauls13200/20072006001.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/pauls13200/20072006003.jpg

:)

Mikesx13

12-03-2007, 11:24

madcowman

12-03-2007, 11:33

lovin' the aero paulywauly :)

Paul_S13

12-03-2007, 13:18

Nice, could there technically be an issue with the brake pads extending further below the calliper than was originally intended or is it just better to have something there than nothing?

More pad area the better, also the pads are wearing at the same rate all over so not worried about it TBH.

Btw, I find myself seriously lusting after those wheels :smitten:

:thumbs:

Cheers Moby. :D

Ben,

Well I have to design a pulley for Pace to make then its not far, but like most things its down to cash......

Silvia-lou

12-03-2007, 17:03

Yeah its ok I suppose :p

Only joking mate, looking good! :)

Paul_S13

12-03-2007, 18:58

Yeah its ok I suppose :p

Only joking mate, looking good! :)

Wooooooooooooooo! you know it sister! :D

A 2 M? ;) :D :D

Pablo13

12-03-2007, 21:52

Looks good. So will this be 'charged for thursdays HWH?

Hope to see you there:thumbs:

Paul_S13

13-03-2007, 08:27

Looks good. So will this be 'charged for thursdays HWH?

Sadly not a hope in hell for that :( Aiming for a month or two.

RADS_S13

14-03-2007, 09:38

Sadly not a hope in hell for that :( Aiming for a month or two.

the mission if you chose to accept it is to have it all done for JAE :p

pull your finger out :D

its coming on nicely :thumbs:

RADS_S13

14-03-2007, 10:16

scimmy ben

14-03-2007, 10:37

LOL

yeah its money and time. he's building my engine with me so we've got to get that finished ad get a front pully made for his then its just finishing off brackets and pipework and mapping. it'll take a while to get it done right.

Just to throw a cat in amongst some pigeons...

If a new front pully is being made, will it have a damper built in?
Are all of the accessory belts being used?

RADS_S13

14-03-2007, 10:39

its going to be a pully purely for the charger belt and its getting pressed into a standard CA pully, all the standard belts will be ok and the damper will still be there.

scimmy ben

14-03-2007, 10:51

Just a thought...

If Paul were to move the PAS pump back towards the bulkhead and use a longer belt he could drive it off the alternator pulley, leaving the Aircon and PAS drives available for the supercharger.

I don't know how much load the 'charger puts on the crank but I would have thought the near it was to a bearing, the better. A man with his skills could easily create a pulley for the super charger from a pas pump pulley and a bit of grinding :D

As a proof of concept at least...

Sideways Danny

14-03-2007, 10:54

I suggested the PAS pulley be used a while ago, there's a different number of belt grooves and they're spaced differently I'm told.

RADS_S13

14-03-2007, 10:56

From what I undertand you can't use any of the other belt pully's partly because the belts would be too small. I think the charger need a 6V or 8V belt. also you need the right diameter pully to get the required boost :D

At the moment the idea is to leave the pas pump where it is and just move the resivoir.

scimmy ben

14-03-2007, 11:11

If it needs a belt that wide, it implies a big old load

Has he thought about the electric ones you get on ebay? :D

RADS_S13

14-03-2007, 11:18

Has he thought about the electric ones you get on ebay? :D

what the ones that fit just behind the filter and look like a PC fan :wack:

I belive the belt on the jag does all the ancilaries.

Paul_S13

14-03-2007, 12:21

I'm using the standard pulley so it still uses the damper, not a prob, the aircon is not attached so there is currently less load on the pulley so with the charger on it will be an increase but it should be ok.......we'll find out won't we kids! :)

The new part will be pressed into the existing pulley so it doesn't need any welding and its certain to be central.

Mike, you can go f**k yourself. :D

The bored part of the crank is being measured as we speak, once I have the correct bore I'll get designing. :)

liquidsmoke

14-03-2007, 12:41

how much boost do you think you'll get out of the m90?
Where you gonna mount it?

I think you should use a toothed belt so you can run an ultra small pulley and more boost :)

Paul_S13

14-03-2007, 12:45

It'll push 500cfm at 10psi, it'll be mounted where it is in the pic.

I won't have the engine to cope with much more boost so I'm not over spinning it, if I over spun it it would put out over 650cfm and a standard bottom end can't take that.

I have to use a ribbed belt as thats what the charger has, the V8 charger has the toothed wheel but the charger won't fit, unless I do what that bloke did on that ebay thing, that would be a pig to do and thats why I'm assuming he gave up.

Grim

14-03-2007, 13:04

glad to see this in projects finally buddy :thumbs:

whats the timescale for completion looking like?

just after hell freezes over, and the flying pigs make a run for it:smash:

(that's called negative motivation Paul. you have to do it, to proove me wrong. look how well it's working on dans s14 project. ;) )

Paul_S13

14-03-2007, 13:19

(that's called negative motivation Paul. you have to do it, to proove me wrong. look how well it's working on dans s14 project. ;) )

How's the power distribution block and the dimmer going Grim? :p

Mikesx13

14-03-2007, 14:31

Mike, you can go f**k yourself. :D

Wish I could dude, wish I could :smitten: :wack: :no:

Will this be the first S13 supercharged in the UK?

Kev

14-03-2007, 14:52

How's the power distribution block and the dimmer going Grim? :p

hehe love it:D

Mike, depends how quick Paul is, as Gordon is making progress on his SC'd V8

14-03-2007, 14:56

Lovely project Paul!!!

Hope to see it finished when the JAE is there :thumbs: :nod:

Paul_S13

14-03-2007, 15:28

hehe love it:D

Mike, depends how quick Paul is, as Gordon is making progress on his SC'd V8

I'm going for first supercharged CA innit. :D

Mikesx13

14-03-2007, 15:31

hehe love it:D

Mike, depends how quick Paul is, as Gordon is making progress on his SC'd V8

Erm........nice!!!

Is there a thread for this, might be quicker than trying to follow Pauls meanderings :p

Paul_S13

14-03-2007, 15:35

Erm........nice!!!

Is there a thread for this, might be quicker than trying to follow Pauls meanderings :p

Fcuk you, you fcuking fcuk!:smash: :smash: :smash:

I blame everyone else's 200's (and DanE's Toymota Poopra :p) for my lack of progress!

I have RADS's engine to help complete and a head to finish porting and fit to Docwra's car before I get time for mine. wooooooooooooo!!!! :D

Kev

14-03-2007, 15:35

erm yeah, surprisingly the one about 5 or 6 down which says supercharged V8 S 13 :wack:

Mikesx13

14-03-2007, 15:43

erm yeah, surprisingly the one about 5 or 6 down which says supercharged V8 S 13 :wack:

I know, just winding Paul up ;)

Looks like it worked :D

Paul_S13

14-03-2007, 15:51

I know, just winding Paul up ;)

Looks like it worked :D

No it didn't! :p stop filling my thread with shite! :D

***ON TOPIC (that means shut up Mike :D) ****

I have an Evo 6 FMIC to fit on it too, now just thinking that the 440's may not be enough :wack:

Fake Ben Taylor

14-03-2007, 15:58

Fcuk you, you fcuking fcuk!:smash: :smash: :smash:

I blame everyone else's 200's (and DanE's Toymota Poopra :p) for my lack of progress!

I have RADS's engine to help complete and a head to finish porting and fit to Docwra's car before I get time for mine. wooooooooooooo!!!! :D

you do head porting too...........;) :D

Paul_S13

14-03-2007, 16:03

you do head porting too...........;) :D

Yeesszz! I think this is the 4th one I've done, gotta do my own one now...... :annoyed: :D

A work in progress....
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/pauls13200/14022007046.jpg

Fake Ben Taylor

14-03-2007, 16:06

Yeesszz! I think this is the 4th one I've done, gotta do my own one now...... :annoyed: :D

A work in progress....
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/pauls13200/14022007046.jpg

looks good:nod:

i may have to pick your brains one day:D

Paul_S13

14-03-2007, 16:09

Won't take long...............:D

What I found is that you need to concentrate on the exhaust side more, match the inlets and keep it simple, my old engine pushed 500+ with that head porting. :)

Fake Ben Taylor

14-03-2007, 16:10

Won't take long...............:D

What I found is that you need to concentrate on the exhaust side more, match the inlets and keep it simple, my old engine pushed 500+ with that head porting. :)

:thumbs:

Mikesx13

14-03-2007, 17:45

lol, i'll shut-up then :wack: :thumbs:

Paul_S13

20-03-2007, 18:29

I've just had the arches rolled so I can lower it some more when I get some coilovers, biggup to Phill @ Arch enemy for doing the work, it was so bloody cold but he did a storming job, thanks mate :thumbs:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/pauls13200/20032007057.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/pauls13200/20032007059.jpg

Only a slight flair but thats all that was needed, no more tyre scrubbing!

Sideways Danny

20-03-2007, 18:35

woooooo

Subcat001

20-03-2007, 18:38

Awesome project:thumbs: .

It's always good to see people taking a different approach to things. Look forward to seeing this progress.

Sideways Danny

22-03-2007, 01:01

post the compressor map you showed me :D:D:D

Grim

22-03-2007, 12:13

How's the power distribution block and the dimmer going Grim? :p

if you attend mk on sunday, then you'll see for yourself:thumbs:

Paul_S13

16-04-2007, 17:00

Right, got sick of the cracking filler on the boot lid and had a few knocks and dents to sort so I had a week off work to sort a few odds and sods.....

Fisrt off I brought a twisted wire brush thingy for my angle grinder and caused some damage :D

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/pauls13200/10042007.jpg

Then started to weld up the holes...

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/pauls13200/10042007001.jpg

Then get it flat as it warped like a mofo...

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/pauls13200/10042007002.jpg

The dent in the rear quarter need sorting too...

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/pauls13200/11042007001.jpg

Then got bored and did an engine swap ricer style!

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/pauls13200/11042007.jpg

Then on with the good wings I brought and some underseal on the front.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/pauls13200/11042007003.jpg

Nowhere finished yet, still have a load to do but biggup to RADS_S13 for the help. :thumbs:

Kev

16-04-2007, 18:33

Rads, also known as mr. 3 fingers :wack:

Paul_S13

16-04-2007, 23:09

Rads, also known as mr. 3 fingers :wack:

Teenage mutant ninja turdle. :D :D

RADS_S13

17-04-2007, 15:15

Cheers lads :D :wack:

Ninja

17-04-2007, 16:30

Nice work there Paul! Now you just need to sort the rust on the sills and door:p :D

Paul_S13

18-04-2007, 12:06

Nice work there Paul! Now you just need to sort the rust on the sills and door:p :D

Yeh, thanks for pointing all the rust out at the chessie meet.....much appreciated....:rolleyes: :p :D :D

Grim

18-04-2007, 12:35

will it make it to a meet any time soon?

Ninja

18-04-2007, 13:01

Yeh, thanks for pointing all the rust out at the chessie meet.....much appreciated....:rolleyes: :p :D :D

No worries! seems to have got you motivated :D

18-04-2007, 15:00

when will it be up and running paul?? :D

docwra

18-04-2007, 15:31

Thought I might mention it, even though its nothing to do with what is currently the most overbraked, lopudest and slowest S13 in existance :wack:, but the ported head Rads and Paul did for me is excellent - car is much more responsive at low revs and more svage at high revs, particularly from 5k up :thumbs:

On top of all that Im getting another 30-50 miles per tank with a T28 as compared to the T25 and unported head. Happy days :cool:

Paul_S13

18-04-2007, 15:37

Yey!

Well 200sx_freak, one of the reasons it's not progessed very far is the work I've been doing on other peoples cars, I have to design the pulley, get some hoses and some other bits, also need to get some sheet ally as I need to make some bits for the inlet.

I've got a couple of other cars to sort then it's full steam ahead! :cool:

Fake Ben Taylor

18-04-2007, 15:58

Kev

18-04-2007, 21:49

GmasterT

18-04-2007, 22:24

big up the bodgesport :notworthy :notworthy :thumbs:

lol, its the ocho era! :D

Paul_S13

24-04-2007, 17:41

Wooooo just emailed Phatbob and I should get my little paws on VEMS soon! :D

doninphi

24-04-2007, 19:41

Lookin pretty dam cool, fun too!

Likin the s13 projects...

cliffb75

24-04-2007, 20:04

Wooooo just emailed Phatbob and I should get my little paws on VEMS soon! :D

:thumbs:

GmasterT

24-04-2007, 21:34

I'm a stupid fag. :D

Paul_S13

24-04-2007, 21:49

I'm a stupid fag. :D

I know you are George.:wack:

GmasterT

24-04-2007, 21:51

why I outta just come out of the closet completely :smitten:

Paul_S13

27-04-2007, 13:23

Yes G, be true to yourself..........:wack:

Hopefully I'll be fitting a cage in it tomorrow! :D

Paul_S13

01-05-2007, 22:46

Right, the cage is in :cool: and I have just fitted some Cusco engine mounts, my god they are bastard hard but they'll stop the engine flapping about with the charger so close to the inner wing! :eek:

madcowman

01-05-2007, 22:48

no flapping with those mounts :)

Kev

02-05-2007, 21:09

yeah they are harsh eh;)
but dont worry they calm down in a couple of thousand miles :)

madcowman

02-05-2007, 21:27

yeah they are harsh eh;)
but dont worry they calm down in a couple of thousand miles :)

not that I saw - mine were brens old ones so not new when I got em !

dread to think what new ones are like :)

Kev

02-05-2007, 21:58

still be harsher than standard Moby mate, just less harsh than when first fitted :)
Same as poly subby bushes:)

madcowman

02-05-2007, 22:07

true - hopefully the nismo(ish) ones I've swapped them for will be a little more civilised :)

Paul_S13

20-05-2007, 17:50

Righto with my first weekend in freakin' ages to work on my car I.......

Relocated the PAS pot
Relocated the ignition amp
Fitted a big rad
Removed the fan and fitted twin leccy ones and fitted a temp sensor for the fans, just need to do the wiring
Got the dimensions for the pulley
Rear seats back in

Still got loads to do :wack:

M.D.

20-05-2007, 19:17

mate i was thinking the other day at the pub with some mates and i was asked a question that i could not really answer at the time,

my mate asked my if i could just remove the turbo from a standard s13, whack a supercharger on and run the same boost as standard, and it would surely be fine on the same standard map.

is there a reason why this is wrong??? or would it be fine like that, and likewise if he upped the boost to stage 1 boost could he just run a stage 1 hd chip, etc etc,

surely the AFM would sence the boost and fuel like it does when it sences turbo boost, but it would be at lower revs,

Parker

20-05-2007, 19:19

The boost would come in differently so the map would be out plus the exhuast side is different.

M.D.

20-05-2007, 19:20

exhaust side???

i know you have to fit an NA exhaust, but how would that effect the fueling??

M.D.

20-05-2007, 19:21

when you say the boost comes in differently, i thought the map was adjusted fueling wise according to airflow measured by the afm??? so it will just adjust it earlier in the revs... wont it????

cliffb75

20-05-2007, 21:19

when you say the boost comes in differently, i thought the map was adjusted fueling wise according to airflow measured by the afm??? so it will just adjust it earlier in the revs... wont it????

Correct.

The only problem with S bodies is the lack of an air temp sensor. This means that with the different (lower) efficiency of the blower, you are likley to need to run more retarded ignition to avoid det.

You could of course run the engine on higher octane fuel if the change is small enough. A bodge would also be to retard the ignition using the CAS, but this would also retard the areas of the map that don't need it, so making your fuel economy and off boost performance worse.

There may also be some side effects from a driveability point of view with things like transient fuelling.

And a last potential problem is that the base map may not cope with boost at very low RPM,s below (or above, depending how you look at it) the standard turbo's spool line, so the numbers there may not work - you'd have to suck it and see.

But basically, the idea would work. :nod:

Paul_S13

20-05-2007, 22:26

Or maybe I should junk the AFM and buy VEMS....oh yey I have! :D

Theres a few other bits I have to sort out, the front of the plenum is to be chopped and a new hose fitment will be bolted on, probably around 70-80mm (same as the charger outlet) and the ABS has to go for clearance issues, the air filter will be places in that area with a heatshield and vent in the bonnet.