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bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:27

as most already know we (Buffy and myself) are building an S13....
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so after the little fire we had while mapping my car (wheel spinning at 140mph :eek: )
it was time for a new plan...
with thanks to Mel B I got my hands on a new shell (well he gave it to Buffy and buffy then graciously passed it on to me :thumbs: )

the end... :cry:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_1838.jpg

the start...:nod:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_1699.jpg

we had to get it back to Buffy's garage and as she was still drivable I drove it there, but I had to stick £2 in petrol (if that wasn't embarrassing enough Buffy took a pic of the fuel pump :o )
once at the garage it was time to prep her....1/2 hr into the strip we got this far..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_1706.jpg

at this point Mel B came around and said "that was a compleat car 3 hrs ago.."

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_1719.jpg

back to the shell prep...
as we wanted to do something thats never been done to a 200 the thinking caps went on...
ND came up with a few as did Buffy and myself
so it was time to put them into practice
first to go was this...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_1851.jpg

Buffy set to it with some power tools.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_1860.jpg

and a few hrs later the bastid was out...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_1868.jpg

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:28

then came the refit
first off came the suporting bars to take the new fuel tank

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_1897.jpg

then the new floor

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then we made this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_1912.jpg

to fit in here

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like so

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_1913.jpg

one new floor to house new fuel tank..

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:29

some of the crap we cut out...(more to come)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_1871.jpg

after replacing the boot floor Buffy let me loose with the welder (well it is mine)
so I welded up the back..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_1930.jpg

we then got rid of all the sound proof stuff and started seam welding her..

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bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:30

as we seam welded we also primed..

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the whole boot floor also got primed..

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as we started welding we found the odd bit of rust so we fixed it..
this one was behind the door hinges both sides..

we cut out the rust..

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replaced and prime..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_1949.jpg

the battery tray was next to go..
sweet job dont you think..

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we also made a nice hole for a new air feed..
Mike made this..

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for here

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and looks like this..

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bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:31

ok, now for some weight saving..
the first thing we cut up was the doors...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/200sx%201/100_1855.jpg

we also removed the lecy window
loads of weight there

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/200sx%201/100_1857.jpg

as for the drivers door the lecy window will be staying..

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we then had a look at the bummper..

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now to lose more weight the subframe came under scrutiny..
so off came the counter weights

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/200sx%201/100_2036.jpg

bit of a twaty job but we managed to remove all 4 lumps of metal..
if its not needed its coming off...

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:31

before any work was carried out on the subframe we first had
to get the old bushes out...

a quick trip up to Merthyr to see Chris
and no more bushes...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/new%20spec%201/100_2016.jpg

with the uesless bits of metal now gone its off to the shot blaster for the
subframe and other bits..
before

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/200sx%201/100_2047.jpg

after

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also

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/200sx%201/100_2132.jpg

and a home made power brace

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/200sx%201/100_2134.jpg

then we fitted some solid bushes

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/200sx%201/100_2163.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/200sx%201/100_2162.jpg

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:36

re fitting the front subframe and power brace

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/200sx%201/100_2143.jpg

I have to say fitting the power brace was a pain...
watch out for the captive nuts they can snap off, as did mine..
so we cut out the side of the inner rail to gain access to the little bugger..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/200sx%201/100_2146.jpg

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:37

next job we had to do was get the shell's interior painted so the roll cage
could be fitted...

out came the spray gun..

before

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/new%20build%201/100_2102.jpg

after

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/new%20build%201/100_2119.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/new%20build%201/100_2105.jpg

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the big man in action (me)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/new%20build%201/100_2117.jpg

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:39

now the painting of the shell is compleated its time for the rollcage...
you would not believe the trouble we had finding a company to make us a cage..
4 of us went to the autoshow at the NEC thinking we would find one...
and we did, unfortunately they are based in Yorkshire...
now the first challange we faced was to get the car to Yorkshire..
as we didn't have a trailer Buffy came up with the idea of an A Frame...
so we made one (it did an awesome job)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_2347.jpg

I would like to say a big thank you to Protection & performance for an
awesome job they did on the rollcage..

The cage is all T45 to keep the weight down..
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and now all painted up..

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bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:39

now its time for the car to go to its second home...ND's
Mr Norris was kind enough to let Mike and myself have the run of his workshop
all by ourselves
so off we went to ransack I mean work in his garage..
firts thing was to drop the rear subframe..

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then we stone chipped her..

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and the refit begins..

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Mike with the 1 finger lift..

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bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:40

now for the brakes...

up rated brakes all around..

rear (R33's)

new

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_2375.jpg

modded

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painted

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_2382.jpg

prep and painted

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now to fit the new calipers and discs we had to cut away the dust cover

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front (4 pot brembo's with 330mm discs)

spot the new ones

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_2342.jpg

with longer studs

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bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:41

now with all the pads in place its time to sort out the brake lines and as we are diching the ABS and servo we are fitting 2 new master cylinders...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_2272.jpg

we are also fitting a line lock

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to the rear

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we bent the bracket slightly to get a nice stright fit (brake line to braded line)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_2412.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_2413.jpg

ok with every thing in place it was time to bleed the brakes

with the first few pumps of the brakes we found 4 leaks

1 at the rear T (the pipe going to the drivers side)
turns out to be a fecked thread inaside the T so we need a new one

the other T also leaked (we fixed that)

and the thingy with the wire leaked out of both ends
so we changed fittings and managed to stop the leak

the only leak we still have is out of the rear T...we'll change that next time..

fitting brake pipes is not the easyest job but if you have time (we didnt)
you can do it (we need to slow down abit)
the thing is for Mike and Myself time is something we dont have a lot of
as we have to travel just over an hour to get to ND's before we can start work
its not in Mike's garage anymore so you cant just pop up and do stuff..

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:42

now for the real twat of a job....
setting up the brake bias..
We are using .75 rear and .625 front cylinders with the bias bar attached to
the brake pedal...

Mike fecking about with the bias

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this is what it looks like under the dash

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_2020.jpg

by welding the tube on to take the bar

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we had to cut this away

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so it woulden't foul on the brake pedal when pushed..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_2027.jpg

nothing is ever easy is it

time to re bleed the brakes (thanks to Jimmy Somerville for the help)

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bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:43

ok.... some action shots

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bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:44

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/new%20spec%201/mike.jpg

Norris getting ready to receive a finger up his arse

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bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:45

now for the fuel system..

the new tank..

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its baffled and foam filled

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it will sit inside the hole

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the fuel pump will sit here..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/000_0005.jpg

and we ran the fuel lines..
dash 8 to deliver and dash 6 return

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/000_0007.jpg

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:46

so Dave could make a new engine loom we had to fit the engine
so he could get the measurement right....

so this is the first time this engine has been in this shell...

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allmost there..

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and in...well bugger me it fits..

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bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:47

going to try something differnt to the front so we cut away the slam panel

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/200sx%201/000_0029.jpg

and finished off the ends like this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/200sx%201/000_0028.jpg

as far as I know this has not been done to a 200..
we also plan to fit an angle bit of ally accross the opening to make it a removable
slam panel.
should also make it quicker to remove and re fit the engine if ever needed..

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:48

to save even more weight 1 of the wipers had to go..
so we came up with a single wiper conversion...

first off we had to cut up the 2 arms and re weld them together to get the
correct lengh

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/200sx%201/100_2224.jpg

then shape them (bend, twist) so as they rotate they miss the bulkhead and give a clean sweep
on the screen

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/200sx%201/100_2223.jpg

we also had to cut, shorten and re weld this to make the sweep the correct arc

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/200sx%201/100_2226.jpg

a bit trial and error to get the bend and lenth right..
we also hooked the wiper motor up tp a battery to see what the final sweep was like..

then we had to remove the screen (without any screen removing tools)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/200sx%201/100_2181.jpg

that was fun..

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:49

now for the rear lights..
didn't want standard or a set of Kouki's so went for R32 rears..

first we cut away a load of waste metal

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/rearlights.jpg

then made new by placing the lights where we wanted them to sit and cut and welded in new metal to take up the space between them and the lights
All the other 13's we'v seen have mounted the R32 lights in a way which requires cutting the tailgate. This was something we wanted to avoid doing, so we chopped the back of the car instead (explanation by Mike)
The bodshop will make a new surround to blend the car and lights when finished.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_2096.jpg

and fitted the new lights

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_2093.jpg

and should look something like
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_2322.jpg

and one with Mike in it...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_2283.jpg

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:50

in the mean time (while the shell is at the bodyshop) it was time
to dyno the engine....
now the engine has not been started since the fire so now came D DAY...

Nd and Yop bolting it to the dyno while Dave (out of shot) finished off the loom...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/Img_0547.jpg

almost ready for starting...(Dave in the background)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/Img_0543.jpg

SHE RUNS....glowing nicely

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/Img_0559.jpg

thanks to Jez H for the pics..

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:52

some bodywork mods...

we have gone for some perspex rear quarters (dark smoke)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/100_2503.jpg

think they could be darker myself but we'll see when its all sprayed up...

on closer inspection it look just right....

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:52

we also have a carbon rear hatch...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/000_0020.jpg

no third brake light and no rear wiper

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:54

now.....we did want a spoiler and I thought this was the answer but
when we put it on the car it didn't seem right some how..
a bit like marmite..you love it or hate it (I like marmite :P )

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/000_0026.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/000_0025.jpg

in the end we decided to go spoilerless...

ps the spoiler is for sale..

sold to Spesh :thumbs:

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:54

we have gone for fiberglass (more weight saving) front wings but with a difference.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/000_0030.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/000_0031.jpg

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:55

went to the bodyshop for a look see (loads to do...PULL your finger out Will)
anyway the new carbon bonnet needs fixing and as we have diched the hinges
for aerocatches Will made these

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/garage007.jpg

to fit like this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/garage009.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/garage010.jpg

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:55

now the rear lights are a bit more of a pain...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/garage013.jpg

a lot more work left to do still

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/garage015.jpg

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:56

remember to always do up your nuts......

check out the drivers side front wheel.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/Image003.jpg

as we were towing the shell I looked in the mirror and thought there was somthing wrong with the camber....

we found out why.........

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/Image002.jpg

do up your nuts lads...... :ph34r:

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:57

and sprayed

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/side.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/leftside.jpg

getting there.......

bigtone

15-02-2007, 23:58

some of the interior..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/cage4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/cage3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/cage.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/cage2.jpg

bigtone

16-02-2007, 00:01

oh the power graph (for the time being)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/Img_0560_edited.jpg

and this is where we are at to date.....

D1HKS

16-02-2007, 10:28

Hooray!!! My favorite project on this forum is back!!!:clap: Glad to see things are progressing nicely!!! This is the project that inspired me to strip mine down to bare metal and build it from the ground up! :thumbs: :wack:

dhracer

16-02-2007, 12:24

I've been looking forward to seeing this project again on the BB :cool: is it going to be ready at Japfest?

ekjim

16-02-2007, 13:23

looking great!...and the power :eek:

gareth - track

16-02-2007, 13:42

Nice project, where abouts did you get the boot from?

Fake Ben Taylor

16-02-2007, 15:20

looking good tone, and good to see an update on here:thumbs:

2 Black Lines

16-02-2007, 15:31

Some brill ideas, and great project.:nod:

30psi

16-02-2007, 15:40

640bhp! Thats a UK world record is it not?

Whats the power on 97 ron fuel?

sideways.taff

16-02-2007, 15:43

Great work going on there. Its like a symmetry of my R324 project :)

Is that a B&M short shift I've spied there too? I bought one for the SR22 too.

Its gonna be pretty mental when all is said and done :)

Richy_Boy

16-02-2007, 15:45

:eek: That's looking lovely!! :smitten:

Rich

necromancer

16-02-2007, 15:53

looking lush :smitten: tone glad to see it's coming on :thumbs:

ian_t

16-02-2007, 16:14

Fantastic work tone and buffy cant wait to see it cutting up some tarmac :thumbs:

Parker

16-02-2007, 17:33

Go Tone :thumbs: Keep the updates coming, can't wait to see it at Japfest :D

bigtone

16-02-2007, 18:14

Nice project, where abouts did you get the boot from?

SRB Power

640bhp! Thats a UK world record is it not?

Whats the power on 97 ron fuel?

:eek: :confused: :p

Great work going on there. Its like a symmetry of my R324 project :)

Is that a B&M short shift I've spied there too? I bought one for the SR22 too.

Its gonna be pretty mental when all is said and done :)

it is a B & M

Go Tone :thumbs: Keep the updates coming, can't wait to see it at Japfest :D

heres hoping (only a year late :p )

Jeff

16-02-2007, 18:30

Good work Tone :) Look forward to seeing it at Japfest ;) :D

bigtone

16-02-2007, 18:52

Good work Tone :) Look forward to seeing it at Japfest ;) :D

:thumbs:
cheers mate...
yes japfest is the plan (or sooner ;) )

cliffb75

16-02-2007, 19:12

Some good work going on there :nod:

Are you going to let us in on the engine spec or is it secret?

Look forward to seeing it soon :)

bigtone

16-02-2007, 19:32

Some good work going on there :nod:

Are you going to let us in on the engine spec or is it secret?

Look forward to seeing it soon :)

its no secret...we haven't finished yet but this is it to date...

1809 4-cylinder turbo 16v twin cam,
Motec engine management system,
New loom,
Tomei vernier cam pulleys,
Metal head gasket 1.2mm,
Trust steel H section con rods,
Nd forged pistons,
Garrett GT30/40 Turbo,
ND custom manifold,
External wastegate,
Large flow custom plenum,
80mm throttle body,
Port/gas-flow cylinder head,
Match/port inlet & exhaust manifolds,
Re-profile valves,
Re-shape/equalise combustion chambers,
One off steel crankshaft,
Tomei/HKS re-profile cams,
SARD adjustable fuel pressure regulator kit,
Dash 8 Fuel line (delivery),
Dash 6 Fuel line (return),
SARD 1000cc Injectors,
Custom large radiator with electric fan,
Custom large intercooler kit with 3"pipes,
Large oil cooler,
Oil breather system,
Gp B fuel pump,
Blitz SUS air filter,
3bar map sensor.
HKS S40i plugs,
Evo 7 coilpacks.
Greddy b spec 2 boost controller,

and yes its still a 1.8 :nod:

Jim

16-02-2007, 20:07

Nice to see the project make a come back in this section mate :) This car has encouraged me to keep making mine better for ages, my bank manager salutes you :D

bigtone

16-02-2007, 20:14

Nice to see the project make a come back in this section mate :) This car has encouraged me to keep making mine better for ages, my bank manager salutes you :D

your welcome :D

pdh 14a

16-02-2007, 20:24

I've said it before and i'll say it again,excellent work guys :notworthy :thumbs:

purplepower

16-02-2007, 21:47

Yay! - Tone's back :D

Looking good mate :thumbs:

16-02-2007, 21:56

Also glad to see it back, although I had checked the Stealth forum recently too ;)

Cant wait to see it in action :D

def

16-02-2007, 22:04

Good to see you back big man:thumbs:

Master Chief

17-02-2007, 01:00

Great Stuff. Have you left anything uncut ? ;)
I am all of a sudden getting the feeling i am not doing enough with my car :).

If you dont mind me asking.... At what boost were those 640HP's achived ?

I am estimating it would take about 43 PSI of boost, to make 640HP at 7800RPM on a 1809L Engine.
Is this what you'r running - Almost 4 BAR or am i reading something wrong here ???

Buffy

17-02-2007, 01:38

43psi is "only" almost 3 bar ;)

Tones engine made 633hp on race fuel @ about 2.1 bar iirc

Kouki Mad

17-02-2007, 09:40

My car is running around 220bhp and has good bodywork, yet thanks to this, I'm considering rebuilding it from scratch :annoyed:

Your car has prevented me from any impure thoughts about skylines now I have a job where I could consider getting an r32 GTR. Believe me, the impure thoughts were there, but no longer.

S13's ROCK!

Vaughny

17-02-2007, 09:45

Glad to see your project is back Tone, I thought you'd given up with.

Master Chief

17-02-2007, 11:16

Roger_Sausage

17-02-2007, 11:18

landspeed

17-02-2007, 11:44

That car will be amazing when finished - as well as having that much power, so much weight has been lost from the bodywork!. Well done :)

landspeed

17-02-2007, 11:48

Holy repost! :wack: Read above mate....2.1 bar and race fuel.

The reason for it needing 2.1 bar rather than 4 bar is probably because internal combustion engine efficiency increases to nearly 40% at higher load, compared to 22% when driving normally. Therefore you need less air / fuel burnt to get the same BHP. Although the fuel efficiency decreases on boost (due to enrichment), the power output 'efficiency' doesn't.

Master Chief

17-02-2007, 12:45

Roger_Sausage - I Reposted by mistake, and fixed it - sorry for that.
landspeed - Either I dont understand what you say, our your wrong.
Take a look at my previous post on this thread.

Dal

17-02-2007, 15:31

great project:nod:
Nice too see you back tone:thumbs:

17-02-2007, 15:39

Race fuel is around 116 Octane, and therefore you can dial in a lot more advance = more power at lower boost.

boost is not what you need to measure to calculate engine power, but flow, flow depends on boost and restrictions. Hence why a small turbo @ 1 bar produces less power than a large turbo @ 1 bar as its all about flow. Flow depends on cams, manifolds - well, lots of things.

Lee75

17-02-2007, 16:00

:clap: yay BigTones back:clap:
is that going to be the finished colour? Its a proper Stealth look:nod:

AdamB

17-02-2007, 17:27

:thumbs:
Can`t fault the colour sceme if it does stay like that!!:cool:

spesh

17-02-2007, 17:38

i'm gonna pick bits off your bumper when its finish. so nerrr.

:D

bigtone

17-02-2007, 17:45

sorry lads Im going to have to come clean about the colour.....

thats just the primer ;)

Pablo13

17-02-2007, 17:45

Wow cant get over how clean this thread is compared to you old one! Lookin good:thumbs: Try keep it that way, mayb try to actually have at least one picture on each page this time to keep everyone interested:wack: :)

17-02-2007, 17:49

thats just the primer ;)

I guessed that ;)

Fake Ben Taylor

17-02-2007, 18:31

I guessed that ;)

me too:nod:

Yakko

17-02-2007, 20:11

Wow. Such an awesome project, definatley the most inspirational on the forum. Your attention to detail is stunning.

Thanks for the update.

:thumbs:

Master Chief

17-02-2007, 20:14

SM, i dont whant to hijack the tread from its main topic.
Just on thing though - Aturbo doesnt produece power. A turbo simply supports the power made by the engine. An engine with a small turbo @ 1 bar, will make less power then with a bigger turbo @ 1 bar, because the increassed back pressure that the smaller tubo will create.
Allso, you can only advance the timing by so mutch, and the advnced timing will not create as much power as compared to increasing the boost.
I still find hard to understand how 640HP are achived at 2.1 BARS on a 1809L engine at 7800 RPM.

Buffy

17-02-2007, 22:07

Buffy you'r right, i ment almost 3 BAR, and not 4.
But still, how did you guys manage that ?
Racing Fuel or Not, is only to prevent detonation, but the engine still needs to be able to inhale enough air for 633HP, reguardless of the fuel you use - Unless you use Jet Fuel wich in it self produces more energy, or this RACE fuel is not just OCTANE BOOSTED....

The "Race Fuel" we have here in Israel, is just a higher octane fuel, so iam guessing what you use is something else then? Can you explain to me what it is exactly ?
I guess i mix up my terminology of the things.

As i know, for an engine of 1809cc to produece 633HP , it needs to inhale about 928.89, wich at 7800 RPM means that it has to boost 43 PSI's for that....

So....???

Although Tony has given you the basic spec of the engine some secrets still remain ;) (no nitrous :ghey: before anybody asks) Norris Designs built the
engine and as far as I'm aware it's their most powerfull CA to date. Try asking Simon at ND if he'll tell you every aspect of this engine given the amount of money he has invested trying various specs to get this far :p

The Big Yin

17-02-2007, 22:33

holleeeee mother funking shit

4 pages of posts solely about the project impresive, how long has this taken so far?

Messydan

18-02-2007, 00:40

probably not as long as its taken me to read it LoL.

Well done guys but MORE PICTURES PLZ!!!

Papa Lazarou

18-02-2007, 00:43

As i know, for an engine of 1809cc to produece 633HP , it needs to inhale about 928.89, wich at 7800 RPM means that it has to boost 43 PSI's for that....

So....???

Has to inhale about 928.89 what? Cubic feet a minute? That would be based on various assumptions including about the brake specific fuel consumption of the engine and so on and so forth. Perhaps the assumptions you are making are not accurate?

Nismo_Freak

18-02-2007, 01:32

Has to inhale about 928.89 what? Cubic feet a minute? That would be based on various assumptions including about the brake specific fuel consumption of the engine and so on and so forth. Perhaps the assumptions you are making are not accurate?

The CFM is accurate, but he hasn't corrected for density, temp, and a number of other factors that you must rate along with CFM.

900 CFM at the top of Mount Everest is not the same mass as 900 CFM in Bermuda

Nismo_Freak

18-02-2007, 01:34

BigTone, the build looks good dude. I like the R32 tails, they fit the body lines pretty well.

Master Chief

18-02-2007, 10:31

bigtone

18-02-2007, 11:09

we used VP race fuel (this is NOT Jet or Alcohol fuel) we did not run the
car over 2.1 bar of boost and only took it to 7800rpm

jatpoolsx

18-02-2007, 12:02

Very nice project, a good read. Looking foward to see how the project goes :)

30psi

18-02-2007, 12:11

There is no way for a 1809L engine, to produce 640HP, at 7800RPM @ 2.1 BARS, unless its using some kind of other then PETROL fuel

By putting a turbo on a car you are increasing the flow it can take.

EG a 1.8 running 1 bar (2 bar absolute) of boost is flowing the same air as a 3.6.

Tones 1853cc running 2.1 bar is the equivalent of 5,744cc normally aspirated flow. Therefore the power fig's stand to reason in my opinion.

ian_t

18-02-2007, 15:22

you can get 200bhp out of a NA 5.5 litre engine or you can get 600bhp out of a NA 5.5 litre engine neither run boost so obviously the guy with 600bhp is lying LOL :rolleyes:

Coupe

18-02-2007, 16:20

I am talking about CFM, and my assumptions are based on the BEST case Cenario, wich usualy it never is.
That means, that in Real life, EVEN more the 43PSI's of boost would be needed to reach those 640HP at 7800RPM on a 1809L engine, or higher RPM.
BTW: this has nothing to do with secret aspects of the built - Those secret can only help the engine get closer to its full potential (Best case cenario).

In other words, There is no way for a 1809L engine, to produce 640HP, at 7800RPM @ 2.1 BARS, unless its using some kind of other then PETROL fuel.
Its either higher boost, or higher RPM, or some Hi Enregy burning fuel (like JET or Alcohol etc.) , or some enormous Compresion Ratio.

Even if iam off here, i am not off by much.

Sorry to go on about this, im just curious.

The point is, it IS running 2.1 bar (several people have stated), it is 1809cc (what would be the point in saying it was, if it wasn't?), and it HAS produced 633bhp. I don't know any of these guys personally, but I believe everything they are saying. As someone else has said, ask Simon Norris how he did it (although I doubt he'd tell you).....

And at the end of the day, this WILL be a 633bhp S13 so who cares about how much CFM they need - they've already achieved it.

cHiL

18-02-2007, 16:38

Great to see you back on track Tone:thumbs: This ones obviously gonna be alot better than the last:) Go on, tell us what colour it's gonna be..;) Can't wait to see it on the track at Castle Coombe:eek: :D

cHiL

18-02-2007, 16:39

Thing is, you'll be pretty much all alone out there! :D

shogun

18-02-2007, 16:47

Splendid Tone.
I was wondering what happened with your project.
Good that you are up again.

Nismo_Freak

18-02-2007, 17:06

Beezy

18-02-2007, 17:08

SWEET!! Iv been waiting for this car to be posted up, Simon norris's mechanic (the one flicking the finger) was tellin me about it when i got my lifters changed! Nice stuff though m8, Whats the plans now then?

Jezz_S13

18-02-2007, 17:51

2.1bar boost is in realilty 3.1bar absolute pressure after you've added the 1 bar atmospheric pressure, and therefore is 44.9psi absolute.

The chef is correct, probably.

Oh, and welcome back bigman. :)

JDK

18-02-2007, 18:57

:notworthy , I wish I had that much time and money:rolleyes:

looking forward to seeing the finished product:thumbs:

Master Chief

18-02-2007, 23:13

Ok guys, you got me all wrong.
Iam not doughting for a second, the RR Results, nor am i suggesting that anyone is lying. I just want to understad HOW !

Anyway since i dont think its fair to go on hijacking this Topic, i opend a topic in the GENERAL 200SX Related Chat section, to continue this discussion to whomever is iterested.

http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?p=3063590#post3063590

Again, amazing project, thumbs up !!!

Chris

18-02-2007, 23:54

You aren't accounting for density.Quite correct :nod: Bigtone is well known for his high density level :wack:

slider91

19-02-2007, 09:11

looking good tone cant wait to see the finished article :thumbs:

Neal

19-02-2007, 16:33

You bastard lunatics!

Great work :D

Nismo_Freak

20-02-2007, 03:41

Quite correct :nod: Bigtone is well known for his high density level :wack:

I suppose he should avoid swimming then :wack:

VIDAL BABBOON

01-03-2007, 18:24

Come on then bum boy, you got any further with it yet ?

bigtone

02-03-2007, 00:02

Come on then bum boy, you got any further with it yet ?

cant do a lot untill she is back from the body shop mate
(should be back very soon:p )

02-03-2007, 07:07

(should be back very soon:p )
Plenty of us watching and waiting :thumbs: :sxoc:

PhilV

02-03-2007, 12:49

wow what an awesome looking project, can't wait to see how it turns out but its looking very tidy!

Topper

02-03-2007, 13:41

Bit slow on noticing this, but good to see its back :thumbs:

Anyone got an S13 they want to give away :wave:

bigtone

05-03-2007, 20:37

my steering wheel has turned up

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_1191.jpg
how cool is that

Pablo13

05-03-2007, 20:46

pretty cool if youve got a lowrider. Your not really going to put that on are you? Cos your gonna want furry seat covers, hydraulics, and curb feelers to go with it.....also try learning to say "eh chico" with a spanish accent:wack:

cHiL

05-03-2007, 20:52

Pablo13

05-03-2007, 20:55

Cheech n Tone? PMSL

VIDAL BABBOON

05-03-2007, 20:56

pretty cool if youve got a lowrider.

No no no it's not a lowrider :rolleyes:

Its a dam RAT ROD :D

SpencerS14

05-03-2007, 21:38

yet another awesome project on sxoc! i love this place!!!

The_BULK

06-03-2007, 18:10

Cheech n Tone? PMSL

ha ha LMAO, when are you likely to have it back then tone???

darkangel

06-03-2007, 18:40

guys all i can say is:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

AdamB

06-03-2007, 19:26

There`s bling and then there`s bling!! a goldie lookin`chain steering wheel !!.... on a 200....!
you mad, mad barsteward!!:thumbs:

def

07-03-2007, 08:33

O do hurry up with the pics big boy:ghey: :rolleyes:

bigtone

13-03-2007, 22:10

quick update...
fitted the fuel tank today..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/100_2549.jpg

and
:eek: :eek: :cry: :cry:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/100_2525.jpg

800bhp

13-03-2007, 22:12

Is it a convertable now?

--lorien--

13-03-2007, 22:13

Awesome stuff :notworthy

Chris

13-03-2007, 22:17

Getting there i spose :indiff: :rolleyes:

Dave200

13-03-2007, 22:21

more more more :D:D

Chris

13-03-2007, 22:24

more more more :D:DSounds like a Billy Idol song :wack:

Dave200

13-03-2007, 22:24

:wack::D

bigtone

13-03-2007, 22:27

well one thing want smooth...
the fuel outlet lined up as it should...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/100_2573.jpg

Dave200

13-03-2007, 22:28

love the cable ties :thumbs: :D

Chris

13-03-2007, 22:34

well one thing want smooth...
the fuel outlet lined up as it should...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/100_2573.jpg

Shame the n/s tyre doesn't :p

30psi

13-03-2007, 22:43

Sounds like a Billy Idol song :wack:

Rebel yell :ghey: :smash:

Chris

13-03-2007, 22:52

Rebel yell :ghey: :smash:Tone is a fan :nod:

Dom_S13

15-03-2007, 14:52

so the car will be blue and a T-Bar? ;)

Tone, once the motor is finished will you be living in it? I take it your house will be repossesed and used as collateral against the car?!!

Absolutly awsome project - I don't even have my 13 anymore but just come back here for an update on this motor!

bigtone

16-03-2007, 16:37

glass,perspex and carbon boot fitted

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/100_2579.jpg

you may notice a colour change from the previous pics

Buffy

16-03-2007, 16:44

looks sweet :thumbs:

Kev

16-03-2007, 16:48

oh and 200sx has been removed from the 1/4 glass :thumbs:

Lovely colour Tony:thumbs:
what flip u adding to id :wack:

Buffy

16-03-2007, 16:50

the rear 1/4s are also perspex Kev ;)

Somethimg else has been removed as well ;) ;)

Kev

16-03-2007, 16:59

oh thats interesting, perspex....... hmmmm

erm sommat else... well i keep looking behind the wheel going, "sommats wrong" then remember the tank is gone, apart from that all is see is the door lock looks to have been filled, and some rubbers/plates are missing :o

so go on, tell me what iv'e missed:o

edit, the rear scoosher is gone too, but i doubt thats it :wack:

edit2, ahh yeah the filler cap freom above fuel tank:o :o
m excuse is that i drive my 200 once a month if im lucky so rarely put fuel in.... or sommat less embarrassing :D :D :D

Jezz_S13

16-03-2007, 17:03

Cool. :cool:

bigtone

16-03-2007, 17:06

the rear scoosher

wtf is that Scottish for?????

VIDAL BABBOON

16-03-2007, 17:06

Tone Love the paint :nod: im also loving the other bit that has been removed and then replaced ;)

Need to see that in the flesh :cool:

doz

16-03-2007, 17:11

dead impressive mate :thumbs:

dhracer

16-03-2007, 18:01

What's the new roof made from? (it looks like it could be carbon :confused: )

def

16-03-2007, 18:01

Is the roof carbon:confused:

The volvo is missing in that last pic

Chris

16-03-2007, 18:03

wtf is that Scottish for?????Rear windscreen washer jet :nod:

If you think that was hard you should try talking to the fecker :whip:

And I know what else is missing :p

necromancer

16-03-2007, 18:06

looking good tone love the colour :smitten:

and the fuel filler cap is missing:)

16-03-2007, 19:06

Nice Progress Tone :D
I think I can spot the other replaced item ;)

Fake Ben Taylor

16-03-2007, 20:55

the rear 1/4s are also perspex Kev ;)

Somethimg else has been removed as well ;) ;)

im wanting to fit perspex rear quarters to mine - could you give me more info on them please? were they shaped or flat perspex (well lexan). also how did you fix em?

Dave200

16-03-2007, 23:20

looking good mate!! as previously said :D

bigtone

17-03-2007, 06:09

im wanting to fit perspex rear quarters to mine - could you give me more info on them please? were they shaped or flat perspex (well lexan). also how did you fix em?

the perspex is exactly the same shape as the original 1/4's ant the windscreen man bonded them in...we will also put in a few bolts around the edges for safety...

danny-mac

17-03-2007, 06:48

glass,perspex and carbon boot fitted

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/100_2579.jpg

you may notice a colour change from the previous pics

Thought the paint job might have included flames licking up the side to keep in fitting with the Phoenix theme.:(

Phill

17-03-2007, 07:34

Loving the project mate.

How secure is the carbon roof skin?? Hope it's not going to pop out the first time you open the window at a ton! lol.

doz

17-03-2007, 08:36

where did you get the rear quarter perspex from n the carbon roof skin?

bigtone

17-03-2007, 11:33

Jim

17-03-2007, 11:57

I also own the mould :p

This the next evolution of the chromed pas pot's tone ;) :D

bigtone

17-03-2007, 12:08

This the next evolution of the chromed pas pot's tone ;) :D

it seems the natural progression :D

dhracer

17-03-2007, 13:36

not sure what you mean "roof skin" but it is the whole roof...old cut out and lobbed away and a new one fitted (made up of nothing but carbon fiber)
I also own the mould :p

its been bonded in with supa dupa bonding stuff they use on aircraft wings :nod:

for the rear 1/4 see Bren
WOW :eek: :notworthy that mould must've cost a pretty penny. Did you make the mould yourself or get someone else to make it?

bigtone

17-03-2007, 13:57

WOW :eek: :notworthy that mould must've cost a pretty penny. Did you make the mould yourself or get someone else to make it?

the carbon fiber man took a mould from a roof we sent him (as mine had a sunroof in it)

inside shot
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/100_2572.jpg

bigtone

17-03-2007, 14:01

close up

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/100_2550.jpg

purplepower

17-03-2007, 14:34

Awesome Tone! - Keep up the good work :cool:

ZXSpectrum

17-03-2007, 14:46

No CF Doors? :D

Infinity

17-03-2007, 14:57

That is looking way :cool: Tone - that roof is lush :smitten:

Jut

JulesS14200

17-03-2007, 15:08

Nice roof :notworthy

bigtone

17-03-2007, 15:20

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/100_2558.jpg

Kev

17-03-2007, 15:24

u cut off the Tbar support?
why Tony?

bigtone

17-03-2007, 15:35

u cut off the Tbar support?
why Tony?

what Tbar????

docwra

17-03-2007, 15:59

bigtone

17-03-2007, 16:05

That is as cool as fcuk :notworthy :notworthy

So will it be a carbon rather than chrome fetish you harbour now tone?? ;)

Absolutely magic mate - looks top quality as well - where did it get laminated/made?? :confused:

cheers mate :thumbs: (and all other coments)

carbon is the new chrome ;)

keeping a few things close to my chest for the time being :nod:

Math

17-03-2007, 16:11

dont know if i missed it, what colour is it? amost looks like a ford focus RS blue.

looking the shizzle so far :cool:

bigtone

17-03-2007, 16:15

its not a ford colour

bigtone

17-03-2007, 16:18

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/rearlights.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_2096.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/build/100_2093.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/100_2575.jpg

Stiffler

17-03-2007, 16:20

More pics from the rear :cool:

It's going to be an animal :smitten: :clap:

ZXSpectrum

17-03-2007, 16:43

I take it that its Le Mans blue like the Skylines?

arry

17-03-2007, 16:44

I take it that its Le Mans blue like the Skylines?

No, he says it's a Ford colour :D

bigtone

17-03-2007, 16:51

I take it that its Le Mans blue like the Skylines?

:no:

RohanC

17-03-2007, 16:51

Lol Arry !!

Looking good Tone, cant wait the see this finsihed :)

Kev

17-03-2007, 16:54

The center roof support Tony, the one which goes front to back, looks like it would be ideal for a T bar roof, so known as the T bar support:)
tbh i figured it would be the perfect frame to stick the carbon roof too, so just wondering why u cut it out.

looks like bayside blue to me btw

ZXSpectrum

17-03-2007, 16:56

No, he says it's a Ford colour :D

I think you will find he said its NOT a ford colour... :rolleyes:

I would have said Bayside Blue but it looks like a flat colour rather than metalic..

bigtone

17-03-2007, 17:04

bigtone

17-03-2007, 17:36

just for you Kev

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/100_2525.jpg

Stevecarter200

17-03-2007, 17:43

I reckon its a motorbike colour.;) Love it.

When you posting me a carbon roof then Tone?:D

RohanC

17-03-2007, 18:00

I reckon its a motorbike colour.;) Love it.

Ah, the same blue a certain spanner wielding gorrilla was going to paint his car, before it went purple ;)

Dobergoose

17-03-2007, 18:06

Is it Audi RS blue?

bigtone

17-03-2007, 18:08

Is it Audi RS blue?

no mate
close;)

800bhp

17-03-2007, 18:09

looks like Golf R32 Blue

bigtone

17-03-2007, 18:11

looks like Golf R32 Blue

:no: :p

Dobergoose

17-03-2007, 18:18

The other Audi blue thats on the S4's then?

Edit: Nogara Blue?

bigtone

17-03-2007, 18:22

The other Audi blue thats on the S4's then?

Edit: Nogara Blue?

:no: :D

Suprmek1

17-03-2007, 18:25

i wana cry thats just about the same blue if not the same as ive got for my car and i was looking at going for a carbon roof how much was it who done it will you be pimping off and making a few :)

Dobergoose

17-03-2007, 18:27

Some sort of German blue? I give up, roof looks stunning by the way, any idea how much weight it saved?

Suprmek1

17-03-2007, 18:39

yamaha extreme blue is my colour its exactly the same even if its not that paint

bigtone

17-03-2007, 18:42

yamaha extreme blue is my colour its exactly the same even if its not that paint

:no:

Dave200

17-03-2007, 19:29

i know :p

Kev

17-03-2007, 19:33

why would I have a Tbar with a sunroof :confused:
and its not bayside

ahh u had the :ghey: sunroof, that explains it :)
thouight u went for a solid chassis

bigtone

17-03-2007, 19:33

i know :p

shut it you :nod:

Buffy

17-03-2007, 19:41

i know :p

I knew long before you :p

Chris

17-03-2007, 20:03

And I know too :D :D

The_BULK

17-03-2007, 20:10

:smitten: loving it tone, that carbon roof is the mutts nutts :smitten:

bigtone

17-03-2007, 20:16

must be carefull with this colour guessing thing....
It wont be long before some up tight knob jocky will start with the attention
seeking whore bit (w@nkers)

Fake Ben Taylor

17-03-2007, 20:21

i want to remove my sun roof now and fit a carbon one - whos idea was the projects section?! its just gonna make me spend more money :annoyed:

Buffy

17-03-2007, 20:31

must be carefull with this colour guessing thing....
It wont be long before some up tight knob jocky will start with the attention
seeking whore bit (w@nkers)

Been drinking again Tone??? :rolleyes:

bigtone

17-03-2007, 20:42

Been drinking again Tone??? :rolleyes:

might have

GAV200

17-03-2007, 21:39

Barbie Pink?

bigtone

17-03-2007, 22:26

Barbie Pink?

:rolleyes:

the weav
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/100_2564.jpg

BreadBin

17-03-2007, 22:38

Oh my :smitten:

DanS14

17-03-2007, 23:16

Looks similar to the 350z blue and the final Honda NSX blue

bigtone

18-03-2007, 10:56

Looks similar to the 350z blue and the final Honda NSX blue

but its not :p

DanS14

18-03-2007, 12:20

Blue Peter Blue!

bigtone

18-03-2007, 13:03

Blue Peter Blue!

:eek: feck me how did you guess......

:no: :D

DanS14

18-03-2007, 16:27

Lamborghini Gallardo Blue. Last guess, I'm past caring :D

:p

Pablo13

18-03-2007, 16:31

Its blue. You know, that shade god made :D

maff

18-03-2007, 16:43

MG Trophy blue, dont know how thats close to audi, but what the hell

MarcRRN

18-03-2007, 16:43

is it nissan's blue (bl8) it looks very simmilar to what im doing mine

bigtone

18-03-2007, 16:50

:no:
:no:
:no:
:no:

:p

Im not giving away the colour (unless someone guesses correctly )

SteveDunn

18-03-2007, 16:50

Looks fantastic T :thumbs:

Dobergoose

18-03-2007, 17:48

Lambo blu nova
Bentley moroccan
what was close with the aiudi suggestion?:p

bigtone

18-03-2007, 17:53

Lambo blu nova
Bentley moroccan
what was close with the aiudi suggestion?:p

no
no
and that would be telling :wave:

maff

18-03-2007, 17:58

Bugatti Veyron blue... thats linked in with Audi somewhere

bigtone

18-03-2007, 18:07

Bugatti Veyron blue... thats linked in with Audi somewhere

:no:

pdh 14a

18-03-2007, 18:19

Bn6 lovely 14a blue :smitten:

bigtone

18-03-2007, 18:22

Bn6 lovely 14a blue :smitten:

is that a guess???

if so its wrong

disco-tom

18-03-2007, 18:56

It's farkin' blue, isn't it? What does it matter what exact shade it is? :p

STiMPY

18-03-2007, 18:59

Is it this blue:

http://exoticspotter.com/bt000127/bt000127_404300.JPG

...?

bigtone

18-03-2007, 19:01

It's farkin' blue, isn't it? What does it matter what exact shade it is? :p

thats entering the spirit:nod:

18-03-2007, 19:29

I'm with Disco :thumbs:

bigtone

18-03-2007, 19:36

Is it this blue:

http://exoticspotter.com/bt000127/bt000127_404300.JPG

...?
dont know mate..
what colour is it (and yes I know its blue)

:sleep:

I'm with Disco :thumbs:

disco-tom

18-03-2007, 19:38

'Tis a nice blue though, Tone, all the same.

bigtone

18-03-2007, 19:43

'Tis a nice blue though, Tone, all the same.

cheers....
looked at a lot off colour swatches before finding it

bigtone

18-03-2007, 20:27

one of the front

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/100_2533.jpg

bloody tail gaters

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/bigtone/100_2546.jpg

STiMPY

18-03-2007, 20:36

dont know mate..
what colour is it (and yes I know its blue)

Noble call it Azure Blue. No idea what the paint code is though.

bigtone

18-03-2007, 20:40

Noble call it Azure Blue. No idea what the paint code is though.

same as on the TVR's, so no :)

STiMPY

18-03-2007, 20:44

same as on the TVR's, so no :)

Noble also do a slightly darker shade called Indigo Blue, which looks like your first pic :)

bigtone

18-03-2007, 20:52

Noble also do a slightly darker shade called Indigo Blue, which looks like your first pic :)

ummmm no :p

18-03-2007, 20:55

Tahiti Blue - as seen on many a metro

IKRAM

18-03-2007, 20:56

looks :smitten: Tone, i like it!
Well done mate :thumbs:

richardg

18-03-2007, 20:58

it looks very similar to subaru wrc blue

18-03-2007, 20:59

WA779 paint code for some Corvette

800bhp

18-03-2007, 21:00

Like This ?

Wantone

18-03-2007, 21:01

Looks Lovely :nod:

It looks a bit like Misano Blue? (Alfa Colour)

Aitch

18-03-2007, 21:05

I'm firmly in the "I don't give a toss what the actual shade of blue is called, but it's fcuking nice" camp - I'm just loving the whole project, the quality of the work and attention to detail :notworthy

Beautiful car :nod:

STiMPY

18-03-2007, 21:06

Is it a Mazda colour?

h0us3y

18-03-2007, 22:37

BMW M3 blue

Cant remember the colour now :annoyed:

very nice anyway :thumbs:

Pete C

18-03-2007, 22:49

Is that a modified pre-facelift bumper, Tone?

If it is then you are my hero :notworthy

Nice blue btw :D

s13silvia

18-03-2007, 22:51

is it blue? :p

GAV200

18-03-2007, 22:54

VIDAL BABBOON

18-03-2007, 23:15

Is it power ranger blue lol

Kev

18-03-2007, 23:51

jeeze can people stop guessing as it just means another 4 pages of crap that will need to be tidied:wack:

cHiL

19-03-2007, 07:57

LOOks great Tone:thumbs: I don't really give a monkeys what the colours called.. but if I were a betting man I'd say it's Lambo blue:D (they're something to do with Audi now aren't they?

RSendout

19-03-2007, 08:33

def

19-03-2007, 08:44

Is it a trick of the light and its actually Green?

If so Yamaha green like Simons car:D

McRearout

19-03-2007, 13:11

Thst is a lovely blue S13 :)

ColinR

19-03-2007, 14:40

Lovely car, and great project.

Can't believe I just read a whole load of pages with colour guessing though! If he aint gonna tell, don't guess. Nothing worse than reading loads of pages of crap looking for an update.

Col

RSendout

19-03-2007, 15:09

I thought that was what this section was created for?

To try and stop that:confused:

bigtone

19-03-2007, 16:04

Tahiti Blue - as seen on many a metro
no but was on the short list after seeing it on a TVR

Is that a modified pre-facelift bumper, Tone?

If it is then you are my hero :notworthy

Nice blue btw :D

yes it is mate

no one has guessed the colour yet,but it is defo blue
Im not going to spill the beans untill japfest (unless someone guesses:p )
but stop please;)