View Full Version : Horsham Developments S13
As some of you know I raced my S13 in the Club Challenge Time Attack series last year (2006) and won the championship!!
Well this year I'm competing again and currently preparing my car for the event.
Horsham Developments has gone full time now, so I'm going to be competing in the Pro Class - scarey stuff as I'll be up against the very best tuners in the country: Norris Designs, RC Developments etc etc. I'll be in the rwd class and hope to win it... Whether I will or not is a different matter.
Anyway, I'm going to update this thread with news and pictures of the car.
At the moment its engine-less - less than ideal for racing, so I'm building up an SR.
I'll also be doing a lot more work on the aerodynamic side of things - having proved this year that getting it right can make a huge difference.
Currently the car is running:
No engine :wack:
H-Dev 6-point full roll cage with door bars and fixed diagonal
Sparco bucket seats
OMP harnesses
Full poly bush setup
RL Traction Control
Electonic boost controller
VEMS EGT gauge and AFR gauge
17" alloys, 8.5 and 9.5"
Big ghey wing and front splitter
K Sport inverted suspension
K Sport 356mm brakes (when Bren gets me some 4 stud bells...)
The engine I'm building will have the following spec:
Steel stroked crank
Steel rods
Custom H-Dev spec forged pistons to bring capacity to 2310cc
Ported, polished and reshaped combusion chamber head
Tomei cams of disclosed spec
Uprated double valve springs
GT3582R turbo with Tial ext wastegate
Twin plate clutch
OS Giken gearbox
I'm doing to flat plate the whole of the underside of the car (if possible) and use a side exit exhaust.
Pictures to follow :)
Will the changed bore and stroke have an adverse effect on the engines ability to rev high?
Sounds awesome. Looking forward to seeing the progress.
Will the changed bore and stroke have an adverse effect on the engines ability to rev high?
Its going to be still what they call 'square' in the sense that the bore and stroke are near identical. So revs won't be an issue, however I think Jez is aiming for a mid range torque monster for driveability, therefore the main reason for the larger capacity.
Good luck Jez, looking forward to seeing the finished article :)
Will the changed bore and stroke have an adverse effect on the engines ability to rev high?
I'm not going to rev it that high - prob stick with the std 7000rpm limit.
So really going all out on the aero side - flat underside? Venturi vents upwards on the bumper? Does the aero matter that much when you are hoofing it from point to point? I guess every little bit of friction and mechanical loss you can minimise, like air resistance would help.
Where do you stop - ceramic bearings for everything?? ;) How about lightweight panels - doors, windows etc?
does this mean you have to trailer it if it has a side exit exhaust? I cant imagine Mr. Beemer being happy on the motorway when you flame the side of his new euro turd..
Its not much to do with friction, all to do with downforce so I can corner faster - thats the key. Then a shite load of power to overcome the drag down the straights :)
Also going to be making the car lighter and I've been to the gym!!! :eek:
Good luck with the project Jez, be nice to see you showing the established names how do it.
im going flat floor aero route too, and to the gym yuk:hurl:
IrishPaddy
08-01-2007, 18:55
did the turbo blowing up a few weeks ago do damage to the CA or was there another reason why your changing to sr power?:)
did the turbo blowing up a few weeks ago do damage to the CA or was there another reason why your changing to sr power?:)
The turbo didn't blow up a few weeks ago - I lost oil pressure and spun a bearing. My CA has now been sold.
I'm building an SR because I've not done one and need an engine with a larger capacity than the CA. I'm also going to be offering rebuilt CAs and SRs through H-Dev and need to prove myself :)
I'm really looking forward to seeing how this car evolves :nod:
Good luck with the business,car & new season Jez ;) :thumbs:
Cheers :)
Reckon it should be pretty good. Roughly the same weight as the old CA, but with a lot more torque, hopefully up to RB levels without the weight :)
What about widening the car and light weight panels.
Going to be a legend when done mate:thumbs:
All a bit expensive really...
Anyone know where I can get an ali fuel tank? Ideally I'd like one that fit behind the rear seats to keep the weight in board - but I think that might be too expensive - I'd also need to make a firewall for safety.
The other option is a tank that'll go in the spare wheel well, but thats behind the rear wheels and not so good. But cheaper.
Autosport show is your friend:thumbs:
Also I think Pace or someone does them too - also if your fuel was in the wheel well wouldnt this be good? If you were adding extra weight to the front, wouldnt you want that sought after 50:50 weight distribution that bmw engineers dribble on about all the time?
Might not be needed - would yours be corner weighted and set up etc after?
What are you doing for fuel/oil surge when cornering? Im assuming your going to get mental G forces now when your car has more power, is lighter, etc etc...
Also I think Pace or someone does them too - also if your fuel was in the wheel well wouldnt this be good? If you were adding extra weight to the front, wouldnt you want that sought after 50:50 weight distribution that bmw engineers dribble on about all the time?
I want it as far back as possible, but in board - i.e. not hanging behind the rear wheels.
would yours be corner weighted and set up etc after?
Yup.
What are you doing for fuel/oil surge when cornering? Im assuming your going to get mental G forces now when your car has more power, is lighter, etc etc...
The fuel tank will be sumped and have foam to stop the fuel slopping about. I think the SR oil sump should be fine as standard with regard to oil surge.
Good luck with the full time and the car
I happen to have a ebay watcher on for fuel tank foam, this keeps coming up (or something like it) but I'm after just foam, and Demon Thiefs is ££££££££
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280067644168&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:UK:1
£50 but firewalling the S13 would be hard work, K-sport also do one.
All a bit expensive really...
Anyone know where I can get an ali fuel tank? Ideally I'd like one that fit behind the rear seats to keep the weight in board - but I think that might be too expensive - I'd also need to make a firewall for safety.
The other option is a tank that'll go in the spare wheel well, but thats behind the rear wheels and not so good. But cheaper.
I may know of a place that can make you one - he's one of our suppliers at work - i'll get in touch with him tomorrow mate.
I may know of a place that can make you one - he's one of our suppliers at work - i'll get in touch with him tomorrow mate.
Superb! Thanks a lot!
Stevecarter200
08-01-2007, 22:10
I think the SR oil sump should be fine as standard with regard to oil surge.
Not interested in one of these then?
http://www.driftworks.com/catalog/product_info.php?pName=driftworks-high-capacity-baffled-sr20-sump-kit
Not interested in one of these then?
http://www.driftworks.com/catalog/product_info.php?pName=driftworks-high-capacity-baffled-sr20-sump-kit
Hmmm... maybe... Cheers for the link :)
It was my fear with semi-slicks - I did fit a wide-winged sump to the S14a late in its track-life ready for it. I think especially for the added oil capacity/cooling it would be daft to risk a investment you'll have in the engine for the sake of a couple of hundred quid. Suprised your even considering not having one.
sunnybono
08-01-2007, 22:48
Gym! that must mean you are taking this seriously
Jez,
I remember seeing a foam filled bag tank that sat over the driveshaft well of a car. I think it may have been in demon tweeks. it would sit right behind the seats in an S13. I just have no idea where I saw it... I have a feeling it was designed for an evo.
dunno what the regs are nowdays regarding fuel tanks and driver safety.
good luck :thumbs:
/Steve
McRearout
09-01-2007, 08:26
What are your plans for underside plating then?
I should imagine you're going to be getting really close to the ground when you take into account the chassis rails, driveshaft, sump etc?
:)
Can't wait to see some piccies :nod:
'Aerodynamics for Competition Cars' by Simon McBeath is a good read if you're thinking of doing aero. Also his book on Composites for competition cars might help you shed a few pounds. On the flip side though, the more you find out the longer the planning seems to take.
think this will be a beast of a car:nod:
Jez,
I remember seeing a foam filled bag tank that sat over the driveshaft well of a car. I think it may have been in demon tweeks. it would sit right behind the seats in an S13. I just have no idea where I saw it... I have a feeling it was designed for an evo.
dunno what the regs are nowdays regarding fuel tanks and driver safety.
good luck :thumbs:
/Steve
the nurburgring 24hr car we ran last year had a bag tank,we had to completly enclose it in aluminium sheet AND use aluminium tape to seal the edges
that was for adac regs in germany,but i would think it depends on the race track/organisers/scrutineers
good luck with the project jez:thumbs:
cliffb75
09-01-2007, 20:55
I'm intending to go for one of these on the minor
http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=281_303_307&products_id=1865
I'm going to go for an upright style, as it will absolutely eliminate any surge problems, but means the range isn't very far between fill ups, but they do larger flat types too, and I think they are a good price.
I know your looking into aero and lightweight at the moment so i though i would show you these people.
http://www.fibre-lyte.co.uk/
Could be able to sort out a lightweight venturi system for you.
They prob could, but have you seen the price - about 40p per square inch!
For the fuel cell, could you not copy what BigTone did to his project a while back?
Chop out the spare wheel well and surrounding panel and weld in a new panel, removing the original tank, thus clearing space to the diff (for repairs etc) and enabling you to fit a custom ali tank anywhere in the boot area you want?
For the fuel cell, could you not copy what BigTone did to his project a while back?
Chop out the spare wheel well and surrounding panel and weld in a new panel, removing the original tank, thus clearing space to the diff (for repairs etc) and enabling you to fit a custom ali tank anywhere in the boot area you want?
The idea is to get the weight inboard of the axle lines, which rules out putting the tank in the boot. Hence the saddle tank idea. Cheapest way to do it would probably be to get rid of the passenger seat and put a basic rectangular tank in it's place. You would have to sort out some kind of firewall though.
I meant, plating out the existing boot to save weight, then putting the tank along the width of the car, inbetween the two suspension struts or similar?
This would put the tank as far forward of the rear axle as possible, while still leaving room to create a firewall between driver and tank.
I meant, plating out the existing boot to save weight, then putting the tank along the width of the car, inbetween the two suspension struts or similar?
This would put the tank as far forward of the rear axle as possible, while still leaving room to create a firewall between driver and tank.
OK, would be nice to have the weight a bit lower though.
Parts are now slowly coming in now :)
I've got the correct inlet manifold:
http://sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=42537&d=1171530045
http://sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=42538&d=1171530141
http://sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=42539&d=1171530161
The runners are way shorter than standard, with will help top end torque and hopefully stop the huge drop off normally seen with SRs.
The exhaust manifold and turbo are in the post - should be here in a couple of days.
The crank, rods, pistons etc should be sent on Monday - fingers crossed it all fits.
Nice manifold... it's still attached to an SR though Jez :smash:
disco-tom
15-02-2007, 11:42
Where did the manifold come from and how did it cost, Jez?
Sideways Danny
15-02-2007, 11:46
Where did the manifold come from and how did it cost, Jez?
Ebay. I linked to it in the ebay forum a while ago ;)
disco-tom
15-02-2007, 12:06
That Stryder link?
Does larger throttle bodies, too. Does anybody think they look any good?
Jez must before he bought one
disco-tom
15-02-2007, 15:50
I meant the throttle bodies, actually, sorry. :)
Slowly building up my parts. Pics of manifold below. Still waiting for crank, H Dev custom spec pistons, con rods, liners and head gasket. Its in the post though, and should be here in a few days.
Not sure if I'm going to be able to do Time Attack now - very little time left :( :cry:
If you can get it built in time, I wouldnt mind taking it out to get some runing in miles done for ya!!! Might save you some time :D
very nice. hope to see your stuff soon :D
If you need a second pair of hands you just need to ask:thumbs:
Getting to know my local couriers quite well now.
The turbo - and thats a £2 coin :D
http://sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=42978&d=1172653087
http://sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=42979&d=1172653103
Whats the model number of that bad boy turbo, and is much larger than the turbo you were running on your CA?
Yeah, its a bit bigger: GT3582R
ferretca18
28-02-2007, 10:45
that manifold is awesome, is it one from phoenix turbo by any chance? theres a place in the US that makes ones EXACTLY the same as that, the FTW range :D cant wait to see this car comming along! all the best mate:)
ZXSpectrum
28-02-2007, 10:50
Full Race Manifold... MMMMmmmmmmmm :cool:
Actual_Ben_Taylor
01-03-2007, 08:26
Full Race Manifold... MMMMmmmmmmmm :cool:
:no: Hybridynamics
:no: Hybridynamics
:nod: and I've got the tee shirt to prove it :D
:nod: and I've got the tee shirt to prove it :D
I once got a free t shirt when I bought some Mobil 1. One size fits all, so it managed to stretch round my gut :D
What wastegate are you going to run with that manifold?
Hi jez,
Those intake and exhaust manifolds are sweet! Can't wait to hear the car run. Really curious how the turbo will spool up and @ what rev you have full boost! What boost will you be running by estimate? See you in march! And i'll bring the nice gearbox ;)
Best regards from Holland Bas
Matty2Fatty
01-03-2007, 09:27
http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=42979&d=1172653103
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Matty2Fatty/42000404-51d9-02510146-.jpg :eek:
thenickos
01-03-2007, 10:11
:no: Hybridynamics
Hmmm, same place you getting a new one from by chance?
thenickos
01-03-2007, 10:48
$800
Jez,
YOU BASTARD!:mad: :eek: :eek:
Thats the spec of the engine I wanted to build, you git!:wack: Same turbo and stroker kit you lucky man.:nod: Your custom pistons, did they get your compression ratio down enough? Still aiming for 8.1:1 or so?
Next you will be telling me you have got bigger valves on the way too..........:wave: :)
Good luck for the build/season.:)
How much?
I got their complete kit: manifold, turbo, wastegate, down pipe, cat pipe, and all hoses. Much more than $800 lol.
Your custom pistons, did they get your compression ratio down enough? Still aiming for 8.1:1 or so?
Assuming I've got my sums right, it'll be in that region :)
Really curious how the turbo will spool up and @ what rev you have full boost! What boost will you be running by estimate?
I'm hoping for full boost around 4krpm with a 7 - 7.5k red line.
I got their complete kit: manifold, turbo, wastegate, down pipe, cat pipe, and all hoses. Much more than $800 lol.
Why so cheap? Looks like a great bit of kit for the price some charge for a refurb:confused:
Uh? did you read it right def? Jez, is this SR going in your S13?
Yeah, its going in the S13 - hopefully before the 1st round of Time Attack...
dam you got alot of work to do there bub. really hope you get it all done in time as would love to see 3/4 sxoc people there. i will be cheering you lot on.
damo
Uh? did you read it right def? Jez, is this SR going in your S13?
ooppps no
maximtaylor
02-03-2007, 12:52
Good to hear that the project is coming on nicely Jez, if a bit behind schedule.
If its any consolation, my Time Attack car is still a shell! Custom Cages FIA spec cage is in, 120 litre fuel tank from Pro Alloy (for a 24hr event) is in the back, T88 SPL turbo will be here in two weeks.
So.......that leaves me one month from now to completely build the car up including spraying, fitting, running in and tuning the Motec M800.
And then theres the small matter of setup time :(
If we're both at Donny it will be a miracle!
If we're both at Donny it will be a miracle!
Yup :(
Good luck though - hopefully my parts will arrive soon...
Parts should be here tomorrow! Fingers crossed it's all present and correct...
Ive got Friday of if you need me mate:thumbs:
Hope you havnt drunk all the wine
Thanks for the offer! Unfortunately I'm not about on Friday :(
Not drunk all the wine yet - had a couple though, very nice! :)
Have the parts arrived then??
Yay! Off to the machine shop I go!! :D
http://sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=43227&d=1173276403
http://sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=43228&d=1173276447
That crank looks real nice!
What are you having done to the parts at the machine shop?
What are you having done to the parts at the machine shop?
Liner fitting, piston fitting, skimming etc - nothings being done to the rods, crank or pistons but I need them to make sure it all fits :)
Liner fitting, piston fitting, skimming etc - nothings being done to the rods, crank or pistons but I need them to make sure it all fits :)
are you not getting them all balanced together then? In the research for my brother's rebuilt I've seen that most companies quote about a 1-5g tolerance in weight on each component -which obviously adds up when you put them together- but the machine shop who are putting the bottom end together are dynamically balancing it all as an assembly to +/- 1g (IIRC) which should really help with throttle response and maintaining good torque up high the rev range
With your current plan of keeping it torquey and not reving it too high this will work wonders as it'll widen your powerband even further and therefore make your gear ratios less crucial to performance which is great for a championship like this where you will drive on rather different style circuits but the budget won't allow for interchangable ratios etc. We were quoted £350 to lighten and balance the whole lot, which seems like very good value from a proven race preparation machinist :thumbs:
...anyway good luck with the build and I hope you get to the 1st round on time and have another successful season :)
Jez the crank and pistons look great! Looking forward hearing the car run!
Regards Bas
Jezz_S13
01-04-2007, 18:56
What's happening with this now Jez?
3 weeks and no update. :(
Not going to make it to the 1st TA round :(
Should be picking the engine up from machine shop tomorrow or Tuesday - they're dead busy and have taken ages. I've also been busy which means I've not had time to sort the other things on the car.
But things are looking better now - I'm in the new unit, so I've got loads more space to get things done - I've scheduled in some time so I can crack on with the car. So fingers crossed it should all be good for Japfest :)
Where's the new unit? I got lost finding the old unit. :wack:
Even if you miss TA round 1, you'll still kick ass in the rest. :thumbs:
Not going to make it to the 1st TA round :(
Should be picking the engine up from machine shop tomorrow or Tuesday -
:(
Thought you were picking it up last week?
Even if you miss TA round 1, you'll still kick ass in the rest. :thumbs: Hope so! It'll be really interesting to see what times people get this weekend - I think the tuner class will be a lot quicker - they'll have some decent practise and they'll have developed their cars even further.
Richy_Boy
01-04-2007, 20:24
Looking good Jez, shame about the delays... :(
If you want someone to make the tea or hold tools, give me a shout :nod:
Rich
Not going to make it to the 1st TA round :(
good luck with the rest of the season.. i'm working for edc again so i'll be there shooting :)
If you want someone to make the tea or hold tools, give me a shout :nod:Will do :)
APT Gary has just been trying to persude me to make it... There is the slimest possibility I could do it...
good luck with the rest of the season.. i'm working for edc again so i'll be there shooting :)
Cheers :)
I'll prob see you at one of the events :thumbs:
APT Gary has just been trying to persude me to make it... There is the slimest possibility I could do it...
Sleep is optional, build it, map it and you can be ready for weekend :eek:
Will do :)
APT Gary has just been trying to persude me to make it... There is the slimest possibility I could do it...
Do eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
Hope so! It'll be really interesting to see what times people get this weekend - I think the tuner class will be a lot quicker - they'll have some decent practise and they'll have developed their cars even further.
Difference being, you can drive, as opposed to having an infinite wallet. ;)
If you can make R1, though...good luck with that. :thumbs:
If you need a hand with the spanners and engine fitting, let me know mate .I'd really like you to make it this season.
well, the engine is ready for collection - I'll prob get it this afternoon or tomorrow morning :)
c'mon, Jez you can get it done, I'll even drive all the way down and help out if you need it!!!!!
Your next post better read "Engine now fitted":whip:
Richy_Boy
02-04-2007, 18:20
lol :nod:
Your next post better read "Engine now fitted":whip:
and have pictures
well, the engine is ready for collection - I'll prob get it this afternoon or tomorrow morning :)Do it do it do it make it :) And good luck :thumbs:
What's left to sort out?
Jez, you obviosly arnt putting in enough hours:wack:
The amount of times iv worked silly hours to get a car done in time!!!! one example was only last month, i worked from 8am till 10:30pm monday till thurs, friday till 1am went home for a bit, got back in at 5am sat:eek: finished it then to silverstone for 9am sat!!!
You can do it Jez:nod:
I don't think the issue is whether Jez is doing the hours or not, its purely other things holding him back like the engine machining.
Good luck Jez if you're trying for this weekend :)
Richy_Boy
02-04-2007, 20:25
... and customers.. and a partner :rolleyes:
DAMN YOU H-DEV CUSTOMERS!!
;)
Rich
Personally I think the whole of the SXOC should descend on Jez's unit to help him finish that car :nod:
Yep - if he has the engine done now (Im done now, not seeing him for a bit!) then... its all the rest of the stuff - and wearing in and mapping..
FFS - get on the blower to the rolling road, you can bed in AND do mapping on the fly at the same time.... You know it makes sense!!
I would be prepared to come down tomorrow night to help - wouldnt get there till about 8 though... but thats a couple of hours help I would be prepared to do :thumbs:
Personally I think the whole of the SXOC should descend on Jez's unit to threaten him until he finishes that car :nod:
Here, here :smash:
Sadly not happening... pity the engine guys were so slow sorting you out :(
Thanks for the offers guys, really appreciated but its not going to happen.
If I rush the rebuild I'm bound to make a mistake and then I'll just have a very expensive grenade - less than ideal really. I've got the engine from the machine shop and have started to put it together. All looking good so far :)
Some pics of my engine and the new unit :)
Block with liners, new unit, con rod, piston (that I had to machine to clear the oil squirter) with pin and stroker crank :)
Richy_Boy
04-04-2007, 18:57
Excellent news Jez, and you're right it's best not to rush the things that cost you lost if you get it wrong!
Nice new gaff by the way :nod:
Rich
of all the stuff in your photos there the thing I thought looked nicest is the ARP bolts; I love the little touches they have like the thinner non threaded section and the radius to the head to reduce stress concentration! :smitten:
The new unit looks good Jez, and best of luck with the rebuild... :D
thenickos
04-04-2007, 20:10
The Evo yours aswell Jez ?
I liked the ARP bolts too :)
Yup - the Evo is my "daily drive" :wack:
Only got it to develop remapping software for them, really ;)
Well thats what I tell the gf :D
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, black 7, sex on 4 wheels!!:smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :thumbs:
Like the new unit Jez - it's a bit more 'garden shed'-like than the old one though :D
Oh, and the engine looks very shiny too, could do with being a bit more finished though ;)
Like the new unit Jez - it's a bit more 'garden shed'-like than the old one though :D Cheeky git! It's loads better than the old unit - much much more space and i've got my own kitchen and loo!
Oh, and the engine looks very shiny too, could do with being a bit more finished though ;)Yup - going to continue putting it together today :)
Jezz_S13
05-04-2007, 08:11
Gutted that it's not going to be ready for the start of 'season', but impressive progress there regarding the engine, business etc. :thumbs:
Cheers Jezz :)
Hope to get the engine running in the next week or so :)
I'm really gutted I'm not going to make the first race :( :cry:
"Build it, and they will come..."
;)
"Build it, and they will come..."
;)
LMAO!:D
really gutted I'm not going to make the first race :( :cry:
Only because of your defeatist attitude :p ;)
OK, I concede it might be a bit late now
testpilot
05-04-2007, 09:59
Do you not have the old engine kicking around to put in just to show up to Rnd 1?
Richy_Boy
05-04-2007, 10:03
Do you mean the old engine that he blew up at Brands Hatch?
Rich
testpilot
05-04-2007, 10:09
:o Right enough so that would probably be a no then.
Do you not have the old engine kicking around to put in just to show up to Rnd 1?If Jez's not given Alex's car back to him yet, maybe he could fit that engine and strap on a massive turbo? :D
Think it would take the power as well (when its run in!)... Its bloody awful running something in.. rough, slow... low revs... grrrr!
Cant wait till its all on song... 390 brake hopefully (optimistically thinking!)! Just under the magic gearbox breaker figure..
More pics!
1 Rods and pistons
2 Rod hitting block, due to stroker crank
3 Pic showing bore liner
4 Progress so far
U can almost hear angels singing when you look @ the parts cant wait to see them i real life end this month.
Regards Bas
Ha ha - see you the week after next
Hey guys - was there today - its looking good!! Might be a colour change possibly too. In any case - it REALLY looks good.. Engine is coming along too! Just got to wind up the big turbo when its done... and not wipe out in those narrow country lanes!! :thumbs: rear wheel steer a go go...
Dan@DB-Power
11-04-2007, 16:21
Looks good chap, will be lovely when it's all together :nod:
What made you try and SR after your successful CA?
Dan :thumbs:
He turned :ghey: :p
Shut it dick wad :D
I went for the SR because I'd done a CA, RB are pretty much the same (but longer) and I wanted to build something a bit different :)
So how is it different to all the other boring sr engines :p does it sound less poop? :D
Admit it you are getting old and felt the need to fit in with ye olde 200sx owners :D
(I have to admit I don't really care as long as you kick ass though!)
Richy_Boy
11-04-2007, 22:08
It has nearly 2.2 capacity I think... which erm, helps over a 1.8 in his old engine :wack:
I'm looking forward to it running too :nod:
Rich
So how is it different to all the other boring sr engines :p does it sound less poop? :D
Admit it you are getting old and felt the need to fit in with ye olde 200sx owners :DHa ha, very funny :D
Just needed an engine capable of pulling my pipe and slippers ;)
It has nearly 2.2 capacity I think...Nearer 2.4 :)
Ha ha, very funny :D
Just needed an engine capable of pulling my pies and slippers ;)
:wave:
2.4 fook me i dint think it was that big.....
damo
couple more pics - not that exciting, but I'm nearly there. Just waiting for a couple of odds and ends.
Colin Gibson
18-04-2007, 11:34
Hi Jez,
I was wondering,
what bore size will your side exit exhaust, (downpipe, turbo elbow etc..) be ?
will it be custom made or some 'off shelf ' item?
It's (only) 3", all the way through
Colin Gibson
18-04-2007, 16:45
do you plan to measure backpressure levels at any point?
ZXSpectrum
19-04-2007, 15:11
Is that a Full Race Fanimold i see... ;)
this thread is amazing! the engine looks :thumbs: :clap:
Is that a Full Race Fanimold i see... ;)
Hybrid Dynamics, but could be from the same place in reality :)
Nearly there now! Just need to get some water hoses to go from the engine to cabin heater and an ignition amp and I'm off (please let me know if you've got either of these!!)
http://sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=45005&d=1177363679
http://sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=45006&d=1177363696
SteveSadler
23-04-2007, 21:31
looking good mate.
whats the spec on the block. is that your old tubby rebuilt?>
SteveSadler
23-04-2007, 21:31
but then looking twice at that exhaust housing that one looks a little meatier.
Block is lined. Stroked and bored.
Turbo is a GT35r :)
PhilMorrison
25-04-2007, 20:12
Block is lined. Stroked and bored.
Turbo is a GT35r :)
looks like the 0.86? I can't believe you've got a bigger tub than I have on the 2JZ :wack:. That's cool :D
LOL - should do the job. It is the .86 - should be ok on spool though - assuming I've got my sums right...
Oh yeah - its runs now!! Started it up for the first time today and it sounds chuffing awesome :)
Heres a rather poor quality vid:
Video - requires quick time (http://www.h-dev.co.uk/video/h-dev SR start up.3gp)
Richy_Boy
26-04-2007, 22:21
:eek: sweeeeeeeeeeeettt!
Rich
Oh yeah - its runs now!! Started it up for the first time today and it sounds chuffing awesome :)
Heres a rather poor quality vid:
Video - requires quick time (http://www.h-dev.co.uk/video/h-dev SR start up.3gp)
Sounds like someone wanted to get it started before they could be bothered to attach an exhaust!
Or is it that loud with the exhaust on? :D
:D
That was with just a Nur spec, no silencers, indoors...
It does sounds pretty fecking cool though
The engine went in yesterday and I've been working, with Carl, since 8am this morning getting it all sorted. Been a bit of a marathon getting all the pipe work made up...
Nearly broke down in tears at about 9.15pm this evening as I couldn't get any oil pressure and I thought I'd seized it. The engine turned over really slowly on the starter, so I tried turning it by hand. Really tight :( I was convinced it had seized. But thank god it was ok - it was just really hard to turn due to lumpy cams and double valve springs (I think).
Still didn't get any oil pressure so I removed the oil feed to the turbo and sucked... Did the trick but I got a mouth of Halfords shitest oil (which I can still taste now), turned the engine over again, got oil pressure and we were off!
Yay!
Cool. When are you going to bring it up then?
;)
Great to hear it running Jez it sounds like a monster!!! Hopefully you can get mine running like that! But i'll settle for less BHP's. What management are you running at the moment? Vems or the original computer in mapped form?
I guess with the oil mounth you aint getting nowhere near nic tonight ;)...
Best regards Bas
Its on a std ECU with std injectors and Z32 AFM :wack: at the moment - only using Z32 AFM as that's what was left on the car from the last engine.
It'll be running std ECU, 950cc injectors and Z32 for a bit, then I'll move on to VEMS :)
Nice one Jez :thumbs: Now hurry up and get it run in :whip: :D
Its been what? 15 minutes? Should be run in, by now?? :wack:
Do a lap of the m25 stopping at peoples houses or work place;) to show it off on the way and that should half run it in:D
Before you turn up in Theale im now in Binefield;)
Richy_Boy
27-04-2007, 10:41
Shame the Brands slots have run out for the 9th... that'll be one hell of a way to run an engine in ;) :D
:clap:
Nice job :nod: can't wait to see how it goes! :eek: (bugsy a ride in it again!)
Rich
Colin Gibson
27-04-2007, 11:16
Oh yeah - its runs now!! Started it up for the first time today and it sounds chuffing awesome :)
Heres a rather poor quality vid:
Video - requires quick time (http://www.h-dev.co.uk/video/h-dev SR start up.3gp)
but how can this BE !!,
everyone on the SXOC knows that SR engines can only produce 'a boring drone'
:p
Har har...
Well the car drives now, and it feels good :)
Lots of torque low down :)
Har har...
Well the car drives now, and it feels good :)
Lots of torque low down :)
Free bottle of wine if you take me for a blast:nod: :thumbs:
Jezz_S13
27-04-2007, 15:48
Excellent. :)
Richy_Boy
27-04-2007, 15:54
...and to think, it has bits of my old gearbox in it, that I gave you for free... ;) :D
Orderly queue behind me and Def at the next Wokingham meet :D
Rich
LOL
You can both have a ride when I get to the first round of finishedness :)
Now piss off on holiday would you - reckon you earned it.. sooner your away sooner your back ;) lol
Now piss off on holiday would you - reckon you earned it.. sooner your away sooner your back ;) lol
You meen sooner you can break in and run his car in;) :D
Running in engine rebuilds sucks - im only half way through my 800 miles :( Reckon he will be going spare pootling about in his!
Richy_Boy
27-04-2007, 18:34
Depends which school of running in you subscribe to I guess. Some people rag the beans off the engine (at low boost) to bed in the rings... :eek:
Rich
Your absolutely right - I asked Jez about this and he said :no: not a chance - rev up stop start about 50 times straight away up to 3000 revs etc then take it easier - mixed driving for the next 800 miles up to about 4000 revs. Have taken it up to 5 once..
Curiously got feck all power - but the injectors arent in, neither my PFC, AVCR, z32 afm and filter etc etc - so nothing powerwise - just pushing the 2871r around on normal ECU etc. :( makes a bitch of a whine though. Sounds like my GF when shes tired ;)
Oh yeah - its runs now!! Started it up for the first time today and it sounds chuffing awesome :)
Heres a rather poor quality vid:
Video - requires quick time (http://www.h-dev.co.uk/video/h-dev SR start up.3gp)
That sounds fooking awesome:cool: :clap:
Sweeeeeeeet!! Nice one Jez :thumbs:
I'm still on holiday but thought I'd post while I've got a interweb connection
I drove the car down to the body shop before I left for holiday - felt great!
Only took it to ~3300rpm but it was making 0.5 bar boost - not bad for a GT35R. And I had the exhaust bung in...
I've got a few problems to sort, but hopefully they won't take too long.
Can't wait to get the car back, I think its going to be fun :)
Seen a pic of the engine on this, looks mental :)
Hallsy67
04-05-2007, 21:38
be ready for japfest? :D
Yup - should be...
Prob won't be running full power then, but I'll be there.
Richy_Boy
05-05-2007, 08:49
coooooooooooooooool!!
How many ponies / ftlbs you hoping for from this engine Jez?:)
SteveSadler
08-05-2007, 11:26
turbos good for 600-700odd horses at full whack
I'm after about 550-600 :)
Should be getting back from the body shop on Friday. Then got to fix the leaks and continue doing the running in...
How long are you running it in for mate?
1000 miles... probably... zzz...
On my last engine I just went out driving for 2-3 hours to try to cover 100 miles a day. You need a CD player for sure :thumbs:
Jez, get lots of your fave cd's, loads of petrol and just drive everywhere and every day! :thumbs:
My routes of choice was either up the A34, along the M40, down the M25 and back along the M4.............or down A34, Along M3, up M25, back on M4.
Ran mine in a week, had been without it for about 5 months tho :annoyed: , patience isn't my best quality. :wack:
You want to avoid motorways though, best stick to roads where the speed and load changes ie twisty B roads.
danny-mac
11-05-2007, 18:34
I'm after about 550-600 :)
Should be getting back from the body shop on Friday.
Loving this project, any update pics?:)
No, not yet - should have some on Wednesday :)
lezdrifta
14-05-2007, 16:56
that lump looks the nuts! well happy with what you did to my 14a on the 8th looking forward to seeing you on the track:thumbs:
Richy_Boy
14-05-2007, 18:09
If you need a passenger for japfest, I know just the man :nod: :D
Rich
It won't be at Japfest, but I will be :)
Jezz_S13
16-05-2007, 16:04
It's wednesday, are there any pics? :)
Theres been delays - should be able to get it tomorrow...
So no excuse for Japfest then, days to go :p
darkstar
16-05-2007, 17:43
I,d better get some 5kg doors sorted for you then Jeza ...
Gaz
darkstar
16-05-2007, 17:48
Jez can I bell you at some point as i have some ideas for y car pm me your no ..
cheers Gaz
dude is very very very busy with work! Car issues too - its looking together and looks like a mean mean MF as well - I cant wait to see it - Jez is looking at next year unfortunately.
Unfortunately, Jez is a bit popular with work - so much so that he hasnt much time - and also - his engineering firm stuffed up something on his engine which set him back a fair amount. Im gutted for him, the engine and ancillaries are quite staggering.. the top mounted large turbine he has looks frankly amazing...
Does this mean the engine is knackered then? :confused:
Hope not. I really want to see what this engine can produce!
Richy_Boy
29-05-2007, 19:58
his engineering firm stuffed up something on his engine which set him back a fair amount.
From talking to him at Japfest it would appear either his block or head have been skimmed wrong as he couldn't get the HG to seal correctly :( He had a post in the wanted section for a new head I remember seeing a few weeks back too :nod:
Proper f-up :nod:
Rich
Yep, was mayonnaise time :( Im gutted as it looked great.
As an aside, I am not just saying this, but after seeing all the other time attack cars, Jez is the best "looking"... that colour is gorgeous!
I think next year, it will be a tried and tested monster though. Its pretty mad right now, but I have to say.. next year.. wooooa cowboy...!
Any pics of it in its new colour?
I saw the car last Thursday and I have to say it looks brilliant, the workmanship thats gone into looks second to none and the colour is fantastic:nod: Its a shame about the engine though, Jez perhaps you should give Dan a little kick ;) :D
SteveSadler
30-05-2007, 11:13
sorry to read about your set backs m8.:( i hope the build n running in is going ok.
Real shame about the engine Jezz. Hope all goes well though especially with the business.
You need to give the others a chance at TA anyway Jez:D
Sure it will all work out in the end
Engine is still not fixed :(
Heres a couple of pics (that don't really do it justice)
http://sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=46005&d=1180563305
http://sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=46006&d=1180563320
Still lots of work to be done - should be good when we finally finish it :)
In true SXOC style, if something breaks then replace it with something better - so I'm going for a properly machined and flowed cyl head from Angelworks... +1mm over size inconel valves and epoxy port shape remodelling - should be pretty nifty :)
Looks very nice mate :thumbs:
Your plywood lip spoiler is going to look out of place though ;)
Think you might be right... theres going to be a whole lot more plywood this time round as well...
andyfield
30-05-2007, 22:38
Looks good. Looking forward to seeing it in action.
Is that the same colour as Bigtones? ;)
Is that the same colour as Bigtones? ;) Har har...
Wondered how long it would take to be compared to Tones car...
Har har...
Wondered how long it would take to be compared to Tones car...
You know what Jez, I was comparing it to Tone's car, but I was thinking that it was a really nice subtle blue compared to Tone's "look at me!" attention whore Yamaha Blue :)
Yours is beautiful IMO, Tone's is just eye-catching, there's a difference :thumbs:
danny-mac
30-05-2007, 23:27
Looks awesome Jez. Its gonna be a beast.
What extra will the new head give you?
What extra will the new head give you?
Less leaks, with a bit of luck ;) :D
Jezz_S13
31-05-2007, 08:05
Less leaks, with a bit of luck ;) :D
PMSL, good to see you still have a sense of humour through the misery. :D
Do you have piccies of the new head, sounds cool. :cool:
Do you have piccies of the new head, sounds cool. :cool:
No, not yet - I've not got round to sending it off yet... Valves, seats and guides are on their way though :)
GT_MAXER
31-05-2007, 09:52
nice one mate,itll be worth it in the end. Better finding these problems early.
At least yours has proper headlights :thumbs: Preferred it in faded red/moss though :D
Looking good Jez,
do you know what the name of that colour is?:)
Why... its H-Dev blue of course lol!
Why... its H-Dev blue of course lol!
Surely it's "Jezabelue" :D
Dave
How are you controlling the boost, Jez?
What degree of boost control does VEMS offer?
Jeebus, the old red car now looks seriously hot!! Did you paint the cage as well?
Har har...
Wondered how long it would take to be compared to Tones car...
Jez and his car have always been faster though ;)
How are you controlling the boost, Jez?
AVCR for the moment
What degree of boost control does VEMS offer?I'm not 100% sure at the moment - I've yet to fit it to my car :cry:
Jeebus, the old red car now looks seriously hot!! Did you paint the cage as well?Yeah - the cage is the same as the body colour :)
Nice to see some progress :D
Liking the blue, its well known I dont like Red Jap cars.
Yeah - the cage is the same as the body colour :)
You flash git :D
I am not jelous at all :o
Time for a brief update:
Got the engine out this week and stripped it down on Wednesday. Turns out the head and gasket were fine.
The problem was with the liners and the way they've been fitted. Coolant was leaking down between the liner and block and into the sump.
I've got another block and going to try again. We think we know what went wrong so hopefully we'll be able to get it right this time...
I will have a 2.4l SR... eventually... :wack:
Eeeeeh not so good.. I hope its not something you see very often - do you know what the problem was?
Sideways Danny
08-06-2007, 21:34
bloody SRs ;)
The problem was with the liners
See, that's your problem right there, CAs and RBs don't have those :p
Or those silly snapping rocker arms for that matter ;)
bloody SRs ;)
Yup - stupid bloody engines if you ask me...
Sideways Danny
09-06-2007, 17:26
should have done an FJ20ET ;)
should have done an FJ20ET ;)
Why?
Jezz_S13
13-06-2007, 11:59
should have done an FJ20ET ;)
Yeah, cos that would be great for business wouldn't it; a shit hot engine that no one else will have because they are so rare. :wack:
I reckon a proven high power SR20 (24) will be much better at lining pockets. :nod:
Sideways Danny
13-06-2007, 15:27
Yeah, cos that would be great for business wouldn't it; a shit hot engine that no one else will have because they are so rare. :wack:
I reckon a proven high power SR20 (24) will be much better at lining pockets. :nod:
just messing ;) the 2.4 SR should be mental when it finally works :)
Sideways Danny
13-06-2007, 15:28
Why?
cos they're cool as fook :D:D:D
cos they're cool as fook :D:D:D
again...... why?
Surely its just another 2.0l turbo'd engine?
I have heard that you can get near 900bhp out of them.... :D
200sxjay
18-06-2007, 11:51
[QUOTE=Jez;2955203]All a bit expensive really...
Anyone know where I can get an ali fuel tank? Ideally I'd like one that fit behind the rear seats to keep the weight in board - but I think that might be too expensive - I'd also need to make a firewall for safety.
hi jez good luck with the car mate cant wait to see it. theres a bloke on ebay that makes ally tanks my mate bought one a the guy made it to how he wanted it. the tank looked the nuts when he got it really impressed by the work. i will try and find his name for you:thumbs:
theres a bloke on ebay that makes ally tanks my mate bought one a the guy made it to how he wanted it. the tank looked the nuts when he got it really impressed by the work. i will try and find his name for you:thumbs:
Thatd be cool if you could :)
Got my block back today - liners fitted again - with a bit of luck they won't leak. Going to be building the engine up over the next couple of weeks so should (fingers crossed) have it running again soon!
Got my block back today - liners fitted again - with a bit of luck they won't leak. Going to be building the engine up over the next couple of weeks so should (fingers crossed) have it running again soon!
Good luck Jez (not that you'll need it of course ;) ) :D
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.3 Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.