MadMinor project - not 56k friendly though

[cliffb75]

Hi All

After watching other peoples projects with interest, I thought it might be about time I put some pics of my baby up on here.

Now, its not your normal SX project, but it is definately SX related.

So, what do you get if you take one of these;
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_0074.jpg

and one of these;
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1620a.jpg

and an angle grinder? Answer..
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/minor6.jpg

At least I will do eventually!

So anyway, the story is in the following pics. First prepare your bodyshell;
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1644.jpg

After which you will get a few bits left over, which you won't be needing any more;
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1645.jpg

Then you can set about preparing your rolling chassis - snow is optional;
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1679.jpg

As is a garage too small to fit the car in without chopping the front off (you won't be needing that bit anyway...);
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1698.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1712.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1749.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1755.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1753.jpg

You now have the main ingredients;
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1757.jpg

Trial fit them together;
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1776.jpg

At this point you can measure how much needs removing from the wheelbase - 9 inches was the final amount, which actually leaves the wheelbase a bit longer than a standard minor, but makes things easier to fit together.

[Butuz]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You rock!

Make the next one a R32GTST woody traveller :nod:

Butuz

[Yakko]

WOW! :cool: That's going to be brilliant. Keep it a standard Morris colour on the steel wheels and you've got an awesome sleeper.

:notworthy

[gonzomagic]

A blast from the past:p

This will be soooooooo :cool:

:thumbs:

[96dennis96]

:eek: :notworthy

how cool is that?!!!!!

great project! looks like lots of fun :thumbs:

[Petrol]

Insane and awesome :thumbs:

Superb :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

[cliffb75]

Once you're happy, get cutting!
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1881.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/Cliffsmogandmypug025.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1942.jpg

You should now have something that looks like this;
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1885.jpg

However, that still sits a bit high, so with a bit more trimming of the inner arches etc;
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1961.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1960.jpg

You get the body sitting just nicely on the chassis;
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1945.jpg

Now you can hang a few panels on and see what it might look like
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1978.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1958.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1980.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1973.jpg

And put the seat in to see if it fits (and maybe make some 'broom' noises, or is that just me?)

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1982.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1984.jpg

And finally, with a bit of help from photoshop, get a glimpse of what it will become
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/minor6.jpg

[Dan@DB-Power]

Wow :eek:

Thats great :nod:

If it handles nearly as well as it did before it would be great. I suppose only time will tell though :)

Dan:thumbs:

[cliffb75]

Geez some of you chaps are quick to respond!

Anyway, the pile of bits you no longer need has reached its full height
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1995.jpg

You can now turn you attention to re-fitting bits
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1990.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1999.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1993.jpg

And once you're happy with the way it sits, and that the major bits fit, you can put it together properly - starting with taking it apart
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2002.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2003.jpg

And from there in its just a case of putting some strength in it
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2023.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2016.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2015.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2018.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/Cliffsmog03-05-06002.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/Cliffsmog03-05-06001.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/Cliffsmog03-05-06004.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2132.jpg

[Petrol]

All I can say is :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

[cliffb75]

And so on.....
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/CliffsMog10-05-06002.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2077.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2075.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2084.jpg

Then you can try some new bits on it

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2097.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2100.jpg

And thats from Christmas until now.

I should point out that the guy in most of the pics isn't me, but is in fact my good friend Steve, who has done all the structural welding on the car, and made an excellent job of it, despite my very vague instructions as to what I wanted. I can fully recommend him and his Father and their Company Minor Medics in Milton Keynes :Plug: - though I should warn you this is a one off, they normally only do fairly standard minors as its what they know and are good at.

So the plan from here on is to have a multipoint cage fitted, which will also be attached to the shell so acting as a semi-spaceframe, get it all sprayed in Old english white inside and out, and then I can go about fitting my Apex coilovers, adjustable arms, perspex windows, Cobra race seats, Sparco 4 point harnesses and eventually the (by then) rebuilt engine with forged pistons and rods, equal length manifold, gt2871 turbo etc etc.

Target 400bhp and 800 kg. Fingers crossed I can keep the weight down!

Wish me luck.

[Paul FWx]

Thats fapping AWESOME!

[Garrett_T25]

Possibly the greatest project Ive ever seen! :notworthy

[Fake Ben Taylor]

i want one:nod:

no really i do!:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

[ekjim]

that is excellent looking mate :thumbs: ...cannot wait to see that when done!....im doing something along the same lines but to an anglia but i couldnt quite commit myself to go for the full s13 running gear so it only has a nissan engine and box :) ....again, top job!

jim

[cliffb75]

Thanks all - I'm doing something right then.

ekjim - I've been watching your progress on the Anglia. It looks lovely! Hope to see it at some events this year??

[MeLLoN Stu]

you sir, are a grade A lunatic :nod:

fantastic project :thumbs: huge respect to you for having the balls to do it! :notworthy

[BigD]

thats fantastic mate :nod: .

[S13_joe]

i love it!!

[twaiter]

wow absolutley amazin that will be very rapid when finished:notworthy :notworthy :thumbs:

[MEL]

That is fapping awesome - loving it :smitten: :notworthy

Does the chop and swap mean you can get it insured as a kit car :confused:

[zimsoundz]

very good !

just out of interest how've you done the propshaft ? how much have you had to shorten it ? have you got pic's of that.

Regarsd


Gordon

[madcowman]

:notworthy: thats very impressive !! cant wait to see it at an MK meet sometime !

[Richy_Boy]

:thumbs: top job.. Great latteral thinking by dropping the nodywork on the chassis. I'm sure may-a-folk would of dropped the engine into the minor engine bay.

:notworthy

Rich

[Jeffers_S13]

hehe ! that will surprise a few people at the traffic light grand prix...top work on doing something different :thumbs:

[Bens13]

that is awsome

[ants13]

:notworthy:

awesome, just awesome

[Silencer]

how cool is that... awesome

[Pete C]

That is unbelieveably cool - love the way you can just fit any S13 parts to it too :D

[arry]

So impressed - that is a fantastic project and top work. Absolutely awesome :notworthy

[thenickos]

speechless!!

WHOA!! :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

[NikB]

Wow, top stuff :thumbs:

Good to see some good old fashioned, hot rod style chopping and channelling type stuff. Any chance of a roof chop maybe?

[matt_j]

OMG, UTTER RESPECT:notworthy:

That is incredible! Thank you for all of the pictures, it's amazing!:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

[Damo]

your nuts but loving it

[doninphi]

:smitten:

Love mad moggies, and that is gonna be the coolest I've seen! V8, bah humbug! Turbo 4 pot will be lighter and produce more power and better handling!

:smitten:

Good work old chap!:cool:

[adsmithy]

:eek: That is soo cool :thumbs: Can anyone tell me what rims they are? i like

[Django67]

There have been a lot of great projects on SXOC - but you win!

Just awesome!

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[Johnny]

Nooooooo !!!!!!!! ... I am sooo jealous. I have always wanted a Minor (Morris) - but been put off by the thoughts of a rotting body, no power and crap handling ... I no its not meant to be a modern car, but there is only so much you can tollerate on a drive.

this looks ideal, I would love that car !!! ... shame I dont have the money to pay someone to build it for me.

[dan e]

cant wait to see it at an MK meet sometime !
Seconded! That's awesome. :nod:

[blue boy]

that is amazing and total respect to you for doing it.

Is it just me or would others like to see that being drifted?

[james anderson]

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[ColinR]

May I be the first to say - your insane!! I love it!!

Colin

[pdh 14a]

Absolutely amazing work :notworthy

[mitch205gti]

You have to take that on a track day!

[Angelus]

:eek: :eek: Wow!:thumbs:

[cliffb75]

Does nobody not like it?!

I was expecting a few 'well I wouldn't have done it like that' comments, but none so far!!

Thanks for the nice comments - its a good motivator, as these things tend to eat time, money and relationships if you're not careful. Lots of patience, good friends and a VERY understanding partner are essentials.

Roof chop? - no. Thought about it, but once the arches are widened I think the proportions should come out about right, and a chop would make it look too flat unless you sectioned the body too = LOADS of work. Also, it means i don't have to worry about special glass etc.

Propshaft - once we had the floor pan welded back together, I took some measurements and my old prop down to RECO PROP in Luton. Explained what I wanted, and they gave me some options. I am now having a custom single piece with heavy duty joints made up that should slot straight in. Comes to about £330, but is fully rebuildable unlike the nissan joints, and guaranteed to handle the power and torque. No pics yet, but I will when I get it back from them.

Rims are Longchamps XRV's, 7X17 front and 8X17 rears. Got them off here just before Christmas from a chap who imports bits from Japan (Cheers Sasha!) Not seen many sets about........

Drifting - maybe, but I think the short wheel base will be a hinderence, and probably make it a bit twitcy. We'll see

Track days - I should say so!! I'm also intending to do some sprinting and hillclimbing in it too.

And finally top marks to Pete C.

'love the way you can just fit any S13 parts to it too '

That was one of the main reasons for doing it this way. So many specials source parts from all over the place, but I didn't want the confusion of trying to remember / record what bits came from what car, so I wanted to keep it to just one (very good:thumbs: ) donor car. I know this compromises me a bit on the front suspension, and probably adds some uneccesary weight with the subframe etc, but its worth it for the simplicity and tuneability. It also means the interior is very factory, with the trans tunnel etc all looking like standard (it is!!) and keeping the good driving position. Overall it's worked out better than I imagined it would, so I'm very happy:D

Thanks again for the nice words. I'll keep it updated as I get more pics and progress

[mambastu]

Thats superb. :thumbs:

[Pete C]

And finally top marks to Pete C.

'love the way you can just fit any S13 parts to it too '

That was one of the main reasons for doing it this way.

:D

Something else that's just occurred (after seeing Mambastu post on the thread)... how awesome would this be with an RB swap? Looks like the front end is too short though.

[unipsycho]

That is fantasic, but white :no:

I'd stick with the green :nod:

[S Nap]

That is frickin awsome!!! :eek: :thumbs:

[Pulsargt]

absolutely awsome.....total:notworthy

[amnesia]

You're a mentalist !!

How cool is that ?!

:notworthy

[sirtest2004]

What a project :nod:

[NikB]

That is fantasic, but white :no:

I'd stick with the green :nod:

I reckon, paint it Old English White, stick some chrome bumpers and some banded steelies on and that would surprise a few people.:thumbs:

[Ruaraidh]

Hehe!!!

Good one Cliff you mad eejit!!! That's where you've been hiding!

Are you doing the Lotus Karting Challenge?

[Ed]

Wheres that thread gone for our favourite cars on the board??

this could well be taking place as alot of peoples fave :D

Its certainly is mine :nod:

Superb idea/project, I cant wait to see it finished.

Can I book a lap or 2 in the passenger seat when its finished please???

[Fil]

Superb work mate :thumbs:

That's a very modern take on the traditional 'street rod' theme. Nice bit of lateral thinking.

And as it happens I have an old Moggy van with a rotten chassis and floor (but excellent bodywork otherwise) in bits in a barn here. Hmmmm...!!

Unfortunately unless I win the lottery in order to buy another S13 base car and not have to work so I can spend all my time fettling cars, that's where it will stay for the time being...

Can't wait to see the rest of the build :)

[Johnny]

drifting ?? .... track days ??? .....sprints ... pah, stop being a pussy, a car like that deserves one thing and one thing only ........ to be sold !!!! .... to me :nod: :D

Swap it for a bike ?

[Aitch]

:notworthy

[JB]

Absolutely brilliant :notworthy :notworthy

[GeeSexAah]

Fook me!!! that is awesome mate, well done for the idea never mind the expertise/balls/insanity to actually do it, I want to see vid of it drifting as well as hidden camera vids of it destroying boy racers from lights :)

Col

[The Missus]

Propshaft - once we had the floor pan welded back together, I took some measurements and my old prop down to RECO PROP in Luton. Explained what I wanted, and they gave me some options. I am now having a custom single piece with heavy duty joints made up that should slot straight in. Comes to about £330, but is fully rebuildable unlike the nissan joints, and guaranteed to handle the power and torque. No pics yet, but I will when I get it back from them.

£330 ! :eek: :eek: Should have gone to Autoprop ! would have been less than half that delivered :) I got a rebuildable one made for £120.

[testpilot]

I don't like it mate I wouldn't have done it:wack:, sorry only joking of course like everyone else I love it more than a chinese and a pizza. I'm a fat bar steward in case you didn't guess and everything is measured in food. Pizza being the highest and chinese being a very close second.

[Paul200sx]

awsome!!!! i really cant wait to see this finished!

[Slev]

all i can say is well done,i do love the old morris minors since meeting my current girlfriend as she doesnt stop going on about them,iv got to get her one sum day.
have seen a morris racing a porsche 911 4s before and it left it for dead, real wolf in sheeps clothing

[Leo]

Dude you are :wack: and we are :notworthy !

Fantastic project - on seeing the first pics of the Moggy and the S13 I thought it was just going to be putting the engine into the Mog, not an entire chassis/body hybrid!

One question from a bit of a Nissan noob - are you going to be getting your 400bhp from the C18 engine or putting an SR20 engine in?

RB26 would be the ultimate though :thumbs:

[nismo joe]

that is one big crazy project...

i lovve it :thumbs:

[mantachris]

absolutely amazing work there mate:thumbs:
how long do you think before it hits the road?
are you planning to get it to retro cars show in july? - they'd love it, i seem to remember the beardmore bros 16V moggy (http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/) going down well there the other year and this looks far more impressive (to me anyway)
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[Yak]

Track days - I should say so!! I'm also intending to do some sprinting and hillclimbing in it too.



WOW :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy for planning to give it some proper use :thumbs:
Have to see what events your going to enter it into and travel down and see how it fairs again a less fettled S13 :D :thumbs:

[gaz f]

You sir are completely and utterly a headcase! Amazing work your doing there, have always been a fan of street rods and what your doing is just pure genius. :notworthy :notworthy

[cliffb75]

Ruaraidh - yep I'll be there, but as part of the Denso squad. Been there 5 weeks now, so like part of the furniture;) . I think they're going for the domination through numbers approach:)

Anyway, back to the thread....

Do it Fil - you know you want to! Just don't blame me when you end up single and broke:(

Its funny, but I really don't know whay more people haven't done it. I did put quite a bit of thought into how it would all fit together, but really the combination works very well, as the Minor is designed to use the sills as a structural member, very similar to modern cars (i.e. the S13). The only tricky bit is having the skill, space and equipment to patch it all back together again - which is why I gave it to a professional who patches cars back together for a living:) I'm much better with the angle grinder and spanners, and whilst I'm sure I could learn to weld, I don't think the structural bits of this car is the place to start learning. That and the time - Steve did more in 2 weeks that I would be able to get to in about a year, and I'm really not kidding:no:

Even so, I'm not expecting to see it on the road until next summer:( . I reckon there's a good few weekends work (!!) in making it all fit together, and I really want the details to be right. Remember, Its already taken 5 months to get this far:eek:

Leo - CA for now. Should be just about do-able with the 2871 and a decent engine build and port fettle:thumbs:

You and Pete C are right though - RB is probably the way forward. Two problems - I think it would fit, but I'd have to relocate the rad to the rear, and that means loads of plumbing and venting and stuff, and second ll that extra weight in front of the fornt axle line. its going to be front heavy already as there's nothing in the back to speak off, and its quite short, so another 2 cylinders out front would be a bit iffy:indiff: On the plus side it woud make a fairly easy 600 ponies:thumbs:

Maybe one of you chaps should do one based on a Skyline floorpan and prove me wrong???:thumbs:


Mmmm Pizza........

[Bowleg]

Thats sheer genius verging on the lunatic :eek:

Feckin love it mate http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/bowleg1974/rockon.gif

[Si]

that's absolutely fantastic - 56k here and every pic was worth waiting for :notworthy. A proper old skool engineering approach :thumbs:

[Deacon]

Your nuts and i love it :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy


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Wicked thread :notworthy :notworthy

I love this kinda thing, great see it coming together nicely :nod: :thumbs:

[ricey]

Does nobody not like it?!

I was expecting a few 'well I wouldn't have done it like that' comments, but none so far!!

Thanks for the nice comments - its a good motivator, as these things tend to eat time, money and relationships if you're not careful. Lots of patience, good friends and a VERY understanding partner are essentials.

Roof chop? - no. Thought about it, but once the arches are widened I think the proportions should come out about right, and a chop would make it look too flat unless you sectioned the body too = LOADS of work. Also, it means i don't have to worry about special glass etc.

Propshaft - once we had the floor pan welded back together, I took some measurements and my old prop down to RECO PROP in Luton. Explained what I wanted, and they gave me some options. I am now having a custom single piece with heavy duty joints made up that should slot straight in. Comes to about £330, but is fully rebuildable unlike the nissan joints, and guaranteed to handle the power and torque. No pics yet, but I will when I get it back from them.

Rims are Longchamps XRV's, 7X17 front and 8X17 rears. Got them off here just before Christmas from a chap who imports bits from Japan (Cheers Sasha!) Not seen many sets about........

Drifting - maybe, but I think the short wheel base will be a hinderence, and probably make it a bit twitcy. We'll see

Track days - I should say so!! I'm also intending to do some sprinting and hillclimbing in it too.

And finally top marks to Pete C.

'love the way you can just fit any S13 parts to it too '

That was one of the main reasons for doing it this way. So many specials source parts from all over the place, but I didn't want the confusion of trying to remember / record what bits came from what car, so I wanted to keep it to just one (very good:thumbs: ) donor car. I know this compromises me a bit on the front suspension, and probably adds some uneccesary weight with the subframe etc, but its worth it for the simplicity and tuneability. It also means the interior is very factory, with the trans tunnel etc all looking like standard (it is!!) and keeping the good driving position. Overall it's worked out better than I imagined it would, so I'm very happy:D

Thanks again for the nice words. I'll keep it updated as I get more pics and progress

WELL I WOULD NOT HAVE DONE IT LIKE THAT. but then again i would not atempt such an awsome project.

mate thats going to be wicked round a track:notworthy :notworthy

[JC]

HOLY FOOK! :eek:
I've only just found this thread,very impressive,can't wait to see it all finished and running.
I so wish I had the time,space,tools & skills to do something like this :nod:
Awesome work dude - keep it up :thumbs:

[Daniel-San]

That's a great piece of work :thumbs:

[Stu]

This thread has brought a massive smile to my face for the lunacy of it!! :D

That is honestly one of the coolest things I have seen and brilliant work!

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[Ruaraidh]

Hi all,

I'll let you all into a little secret here, Cliff used to work at Cosworth so he has more than a fair clue about these things hence the quailty of the work so far!

The idea is truly original one though, more so than some of the Cosworth people extreme projects that are still lurking in lockups around Northants... That mad Seat and that V6 Manta spring to mind!

Can't wait to see it finished Cliff, I'll have to come round and have a look!

See you at the Karting, we've even managed to field two teams this year in vain hope of beating Ford/Jag (some chance!!)

(in denial over old copies of Custom Car...) :eek:

[RohanC]

Great project :)

Wondered if you are going to upgrade the rad? Most of the original s13 rads are past their best now.

[Dave_S]

That's absolutely mental :D :thumbs: :notworthy :notworthy

Dave

[andy s13]

i dont like it i f:censored: in :smitten: :smitten: it.good work mate :thumbs: cant what to see it finnished :D

[cliffb75]

My rad was indeed well past its best - especially after a wheel fell on it in the garage (DOH!) So I have this waiting
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2124.jpg

In fact, there is a big pile of bits.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2135.jpg

And growing all the time. Included so far are

Big Bosch fuel pump - should do the job
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2122.jpg

Adjustable fuel pressure regulator. Nice and shiny.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2118.jpg

Equal length manifold. I know there are varying opinions on these, and to be fair the quality of this one looks a bit suspect, but it was cheap, so we'll see. I will get it checked / skimmed for flatness, match the ports to the head and dowel it, and see how it goes. If the worst comes to the worst, I haven't lost that much on it.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2110.jpg

Apex FMIC and pipe kit, though I intend to get the end tanks modified on this and fit it upside down from normal to reduce the pipe runs, which will help response
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2071.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2070.jpg

Apex adjustable coil overs. These will do to start with, but may get upgraded later to full race spec double adjustables when funds permit (i.e. when i have payed off enough of my credit card to max it back out again!)
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1896.jpg

And adjustable arms
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1900.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1899.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1898.jpg

FIA spec seats
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1650.jpg

The wheels you've already seen on the car. There's also the harnesses, quickshift, brake master cylinders and balance bar (no servo's here!) and some bits of trim and so on.

On the list of bits still needed are big mutha brakes (Fingers crossed for Brens 8 pots coming up trumps:thumbs: ), LSD (not decided what to go for yet) turbo and all the other less exciting but equally necessary engine bits, fuel tank, perspex window kit, and heated front screen (so i can ditch the heater completely - less weight=more speed), steering wheel with removeable boss and lots of fibreglass and body filler to extend the rear arches and flip front with!:), not forgetting the acid dip, roll cage, paint and tyres!

Still you can't take it with you....

[Gary]

I'm still debating if it's wrong to want to marry a car...

I love it :thumbs:

[Aitch]

I'm still debating if it's wrong to want to marry a car...
You're from Norfolk so it's either a car or your sister :wack: :D

[andy s13]

I'm still debating if it's wrong to want to marry a car...

I love it :thumbs:
well i did see a programme about a woman who married her cat so you never know:D

[hriggs]

That is absolutally amazing :eek: :D :cool:

[Parker]

Awesome project :noworthy

*Spys Mother's 2CV outside and wonders...*

[Kouki Mad]

Not cutting any corners are you :eek: Thats a lot of nice kit you've got there :eek:

[gonzomagic]

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2124.jpg

Where did ya get this Rad from:nod:

:thumbs:

[Pete C]

Where did ya get this Rad from:nod:

:thumbs:

I've got one of those rads, I got it from sideways danny, it's a Nissen (not a mis-spelling) one...

[gonzomagic]

I've got one of those rads, I got it from sideways danny, it's a Nissen (not a mis-spelling) one...
:cool:

[beeniemac]

Wow, that is absolutely awesome :D

:notworthy

[DLowe]

lovely only just seen this thread.

White - no

black with flames up the bonnet - yes yes yes

[cliffb75]

Yep, rad was originally from sidewyas danny's group buy, though I got it second hand (ish - its still in the box!) off here from Miro :thumbs:

[docwra]

You are a legend mate. No other word for it :notworthy

[IrishPaddy]

holy crap what a project!! i thought i was bad having a ca18det in me kitchen... you seem to have quite alot of parts there...

i wish i had a shed and a weld to do this kinda stuff!

keep us updated:wack: :thumbs:

[big dan namechanged2014]

Is it cooked yet cant wait to see the finished article!

Good work fella thats mint! :nod:

[Quail]

You have the biggest balls in the world to cut a car in half and weld it back together. Muchos respectos

[The Big Yin]

what does it say on the alloys?

as they look awfy ike a set i sold to someone about 3 months ago

gtst lad

mine saud 86 on them with a wee flag

[autohausdolby]

Awesome project, I'm impressed! I've followed a link over from the www.volkszone.com/VZi aircooled VW forums.

I've just registered cus I wanted to sound a cautionary note about Nissen rads - compare the number of cooling fins on the new rad to the old one. I fitted one to a VW Transporter van and rampant overheating on hot days was the result. I took it out again and compared it to a VW one and after a very long time counting we decided the original rad had something silly like 50 times the surface area :) I ended up using a secondhand genuine one but Serck intertruck were very helpful when I wanted advice - they'll also recore you're original rad with a hi-efficiency core if you need them to.

Matt

[Pete C]

I've just registered cus I wanted to sound a cautionary note about Nissen rads - compare the number of cooling fins on the new rad to the old one.

I compared mine before fitting - it has at least as many fins, if not more. Most of mine had crumbled and fallen off anyway :wack:

Testimonies on here confirm that the Nissen rad keeps the water cool a lot more efficiently than the standard S13 rad - they're utter rubbish anyway.

OE VW rads are obviously far superior to Nissan ones ;)

[autohausdolby]

Winner, that's OK - I didn't want your car to get cooked :) The rads for Type 25 vans (Like mine) are chuffing huge cus the engine's at the back. The big rad's meant to make up for the fundementally flawed design :D

[slider91]

I have only just bumped into this thread and I love the car already :thumbs: top job mate cant wait to see it when it is complete :thumbs:

[PGD]

What a properly mint idea! Instead of making up new chassis rails are re-fitting all components, just merge the two, genious! Well done gents! :nod: :smitten:

[Bahnstormer]

truly awesome! :notworthy :notworthy :clap:

[Confused]

Wow, looks awesome :)

If I didn't want to keep the track of my Anglia the same - I'd do this.

I'm going the difficult way, and am going to cut down the SX's suspension :)

[base-1]

Awesome project, well thought out and properly done aswell with all the right bits, I love it when people do things right! :D

Keep at it, good luck :)

[Pete C]

This thread is really doing the rounds of the forums now... just found it linked to from http://forum.205gtidrivers.com :)

[LiGhTnInG]

You have the biggest balls in the world to cut a car in half and weld it back together. Muchos respectos


they do it in liverpool every 7 seconds apparently....

[Ste333]

I just linked this on the Zetec-S owners club :thumbs: Everyone needs to see this lol

[Paulwoodford]

Absolutely awesome that! Would love to have the patience to do something like this!

[GPS_S13]

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

you are the man!!!

[base-1]

It's doing the rounds alright!

Pete I was going to ask who you are on GTi Drivers but having just gone on there I can clearly see, idiot...!

[cliffb75]

Hi All

I got a message from photobucket telling me I have exceeded my bandwidth for the month, so no-one can see any pictures until my 'next month' comes around. I think this is the 30th, so apologies to anyone trying to look for the first time. You'll just have to come back next month, as I'm far too tight to pay for it:(

But well done to everyone else!!:thumbs: I'm amazed at how its doing the rounds and the amount of hits its got already.

Also, thanks to autohausdolby for the cautionary note on the rad, and the positive feedback of someone who's checked it (PeteC). I hadn't thought about that TBH, but it didn't look wrong if you know what I mean. The only concern i had with it was that its black, not nice shiny silver, so it doesn't match my lovely IC. How :ghey: I know

Anyone else whos had experience of any of the items or components, please feel free to post. I'm all for sharing of info on what works and what doesn't, as it will hopefully stop us all from investing our hard earned in useless stuff. As I mentioned in a previous post, I weighed up the pros and cons of the XS power manifold, and decided to go for it, so no need for comments on that - there are plenty on other threads already. As for mine, I'll let you all know how that turns out when I get it up and running, which won't be for a while yet.

[NTC Jay]

this looks cool!!

my mate has a minor with a 5.2 mopar v8 in it!!!! now that rips!!

huge drag tyres and tubbed rear end too its soo cool

heres a vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN8dnAotYRU&search=ryans%20rat%20rod

and another before the matt blacking:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9sIFJcD9Lk&search=

hope you likey

J

[Crazy Jay]

Try imageshack.us for ur pics, think its pretty much free :D

[Matt_S]

Nooooooooooo!

I need to see the pics!

Bandwidth exceeded :(

Can someone host them for him?

[Petrol]

Nooooooooooo!

I need to see the pics!

Bandwidth exceeded :(

Can someone host them for him?

Petrol to the rescue.... Some of the pics.....

http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/IMG_1698.jpg

http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/IMG_1753.jpg

http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/IMG_1757.jpg

http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/IMG_1776.jpg

http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/IMG_1881.jpg

http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/Cliffsmogandmypug025.jpg

http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/IMG_1942.jpg

http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/IMG_1885.jpg


http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/IMG_1945.jpg



http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/IMG_1958.jpg


http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/IMG_1980.jpg


http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/Cliffsmog03-05-06002.jpg

http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/IMG_1990.jpg


http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/IMG_2077.jpg

[Petrol]

Can you see these?

[TVR Rob]

Yup, can see the pics.

Cliff, drop me a PM and I'll see if I can host them for you. Got a spare bit of space and bandwidth at the moment

[cliffb75]

Cheers Petrol

Rob YHPM

:thumbs:

[Ed]

http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/IMG_2077.jpg

That is one of the coolest pics I've ever seen :D

[cliffb75]

Well, after TVR Robs best efforts to help me out,:thumbs: I've ended up just going for the easy option and spending some cash.:down:

So, my photobucket account is now upgraded, and should have unlimited bandwidth:clap: Any new viewers should be able to see the pics again.

Oh BTW, our team came second in the karting challenge - 18 seconds behind first place after 3 hours - B@**ocks:rant:

So anyway, here are some more pics from a few weeks back to keep me going. Been slow progress recently, but should have it home soon and have a couple of weeks off work to really crack on with it, and get it prepared for the cage fitting:)

Later

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2097-1.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2102.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2092.jpg

and my current desktop
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2088.jpg

[Petrol]

Keep them pics coming :nod: The fabrication work must be immense. Mucho repect :notworthy

[Paul FWx]

The pics are getting better and better :)

[MattSX]

Wow! What an awesome project! Can't wait to see the finished product.

[sxowner]

well done... its fantastic....

[Django67]

It's all looking just so right. All the proportions are spot on.

Please sell it to me when it's finished! :nod:

[Cloudy]

Fantastic project, I look foward to seeing the end result:cool:

[200krisx]

Wow! much respect for the time and effort that the car is taking to produce. Gonna be so cool once done, cant wait to see it :D

[GrahamB]

OMFG :eek: :notworthy

It's like something out of the A-Team, where they get locked in a room with only a few bits of stuff and of course welding gear :wack: :D:D:D:D

[200krisx]

'Shut up fool, I aint gettin in no minor' :wack:

[M.D.]

that is class, i want the wheels too lol, what are they by the way

[Monkey]

how did you come up with the idea to do this? and was you drunk/stoned etc

this is a fantastic project.

ive posed it on www.UJCC.co.uk

[Rob77]

Absolutly amazing work chap.

You have blown me away!

Only hope I can do something like this sometime in the not to distant future!

(I need to learn how to weld ASAP!!!)

Rob

[bren]

Lol, love it, absolutely love it :D :notworthy :thumbs:

[Ruaraidh]

2nd place, skinny sod....

We had a nightmare with track rod end failures and a failed clutch and limped to a patheticaly dismal 17th.... Ho hum

Keep those pics coming Cliff!

[cliffb75]

Found this.

http://www.morrisminoroc.co.uk/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=10929

Actually, should have found it sooner as I am a member, but have been spending too long on SXOC......

Some interesting opinions :) It does annoy me a little how some people jump to massive conclusions though....


It seems like this 200sx/Minor chap has destroyed two perfectly good cars to make one that may never get finished, and if it does, may never pass an SVA or could be a dangerous vehicle or at the very least not particularly good to drive:(. OK it was done by a Minor company so should hopefully be safe, but may not live up to his hopes and end up being sold on E-bay. And he could have had a 200SX for the motorway and a Minor for local driving and classic shows.


On what is that little rant based (and thats just a small sample)? How would he know whether I'll finish it, whether I've built it with SVA in mind, and how good its going to be when its finished?? Still, I did say I was expecting a few negative opinions, so I think thats officially my first:nod:

Just for the record, neither car was 'perfectly good'. OK, I've seen worse examples of both, but the 200 had rusted its rear sills all the way through into the passenger compartment, and the minor had been patched and bodged in various places over the years, and had been stood waiting to be rescued for 2 years before I took it on.. Anyway, :rant: over:)

I'd love to post more pics, but nothing worth seeing has happened over the last few weeks, and all the other pics I have are pretty much the same, but from different angles etc.

However, Here are a couple anyway;) (gotta use that bandwidth now I'm paying:) )

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/Cliffsmog03-05-06003.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2083.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2081.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2082.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2080.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2079.jpg

Petrol, you said about fabrication - well, all I can say is that its a good job that Steve (who's been doing this bit of it for me) is a good mate, cos not only is it a fiddly job, but i can be a bit picky. Hes had to modify and re-do a few bits in this area because I didn't like it! Theses photos show the area that was of most concern as it ties the strut towers into the A pillars and bulkhead, which as you will notice is half minor, half 200. This area is critical in terms of keeping the strength and torsional rigidity of the car.

There is a lot of effort here. The box sections are fabricted from scratch, along with the front inner wing stiffeners. The lower innner wings on the minor shell have then been cut and folded back to meet the 200 inner wings to give clearance to the wheels on full lock on full bump (thats what the pics are showing) That way, I know I don't have any clearance issues or chances of wheels rubbing etc.

The minor bulkhead has been cut up the sides and re-angled, and the resulting gaps filled. It has then had sections removed to join it to the 200sx lower bulkhead, which retains all the appropriate holes for wiring etc, whilst keeping the look of the pressed sections in the minor. The result (once I've ground it back and smoothed it properly) shoud be really nice.

By the time the cage is in and tied into the structure, it will be a very rigid shell. And before anyone says it, I will get whats left of the original 200 seam welded too!

Can't wait to get it home again now and get grinding:wack: :D

[GeeSexAah]

OMFG its getting better, well done, keep it up, and what are those wheels? Love the the minor the car is made then they need to ADD arches cos theres no where for wheels...old school dragster type shape its that premis alone that makes em so Mmmmm

[ATrull]

how're you going to do the steering column ?

[cliffb75]

Standard 200sx Column, complete with rake adjust:thumbs:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_1982.jpg

In the pic the column is supported for now by the cross brace that is bolted in the 200sx (I've chopped the ends off). When the cage is welded in, I will have a loop added that comes out to support the column. That bolted in cross brace will then be removed.

I'll also fit a decent wheel and removeable boss os I can get in and out!!

[Rob77]

What regestration will the car have?

SX or Minor?

Or will it be a Q plate jobbie?

[testpilot]

Each to their own and all that, I like the Minor for what it is a classic car, but hope this doesn't offend anyone IMHO it has it's place in history along with the Model T.

I think them guys are taking their love for the Minor a bit too far, yes it is a classic but I like most on here like the s13, you can't see anybody slating you on here for cutting up it, we're maybe just more grown up:rolleyes:

The first thing I thought of when I saw this was some of the build's that people did with the Beatles (VW not Band) turning them into drag cars and beach buggies. Made me feel all warm inside as it made me feel like a child again.

Everybody is entitled to their own opion I suppose, unless it's not the same as ours.

Well done would love to see this in the metal when completed, keep up the good work.

[testpilot]

What regestration will the car have?

SX or Minor?

Or will it be a Q plate jobbie?
I would have thought it would end up a Q as it isn't really any of the 2 cars anymore, not sure.

[Parker]

so I can get in and out!!

That would be a bonus :wack:

I'm willing to bet that if you took it to a Morris show, there'd be loads of interest :nod:

[John Bennett]

I'm willing to bet that if you took it to a Morris show, there'd be loads of interest :nod:

They'd probably run after him with pitchforks :D

Looking very :cool: anyway.

[Parker]

It's not like they're gonna catch him in their standard ones is it Bennettttttttttttt :wack:

[Fil]

That would be a bonus :wack:

I'm willing to bet that if you took it to a Morris show, there'd be loads of interest :nod:

You can almost hear the sound of smouldering pipes hitting the ground as jaws drop open...




I'm not saying that all Morris Minor owners are pipe smoking, beardy old men. Just the ones who would react negatively at this fabulous project, and post negative, presumptuous comments like the one taken from the Morris Minor OC forum ealier on this page :no:
Obviously there is a place for restoring and preserving classics like the Moggy, but there is also a place for people to do something wilder and totally individual with their cars :nod:
Keep up the good work :thumbs:

I remember when I started reading 'Street Machine' magazine when I was 12 or 13, there was a Jag E-Type that someone in the States had rebuilt with a tube chassis, big block supercharged V8, tubbed arches and a Ford back axle. It even had wheelie bars out the back! Not one for the purists, but man, was that a sweet looking car :) :)

[GmasterT]

The American (GM) V8 engine...? Rover made them under license and eventually bought rights to the design.

Really, everyone knows that! And EVERYONE refers to it as the rover v8 anyway you knobber :annoyed: :rolleyes:

As for this project...

SHOEPOIB :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

[thebigroyboyski]

You can almost hear the sound of smouldering pipes hitting the ground as jaws drop open...



thats exactly what i was thinking:nod:
awsome project cliff:thumbs:

[driftmonkey]

when you came over to buy the wheels i wasnt that interested in the project but now i see it i fecking want your car :nod: :nod: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :ingerland

and of course them longchamps of mine look the nuts on that morris....
well done fella:clap: cant wait to see her finished.

sacha.

[Monkey]

Cliff fair play on a very good answer on the Minor OC, i feel the alot of people do tar other people with the same brush, where they may have seen a bad project 20 years ago and assume that all mojor projects will be as bad if not badder (is that a word)

and ive also learned that i should hit a wall rather than a tree in a accident :wack:

what made you do this project?

and yep you are still a nutter

[cliffb75]

Hmmmm

We may have hit the first snag of the project.:(

Whilst borrowing my daily driver, my brother managed to blow the engine.:rolleyes:
Thought it was the turbo, but turned out to have no compression on one cylinder, and I mean NO compression.:eek: Sounds like a big hole to me:cry:

Trouble is, my daily is a 97 sti v limited = mucho cash to rebuild the engine.:(

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_0748.jpg

So, thats my engine budget blown for a while, as i can only afford one engine build at a time, and a scoob with no engine is a sorry sight. Bugger:(

Still, never fear. I can still get all the shell and everything sorted, I may just have to run at low power to start with until I can afford to build the engine and buy the big turbo. And at least I'll know the scoob is sorted for a while:)

So still looking forward to getting the minor back and getting the grinder out:nod: It'll be good to have something to take my aggression out on;)

[arry]

make Mr Bro pay for it :nod::D

[Petrol]

Unlucky :( These things always happen at the worst time :annoyed:
Nice Scoob though :smitten:

[Ruaraidh]

Autosportif in Bicester Cliff. Ask for Martin.

[thenickos]

make Mr Bro pay for it :nod::D

:nod:

[PGD]

make Mr Bro pay for it :nod::D

Too right! :nod:
He's obviously been ragging the :censored: out of it! :whip:

[RyanH]

make Mr Bro pay for it :nod::D
Yep. :thumbs:

[cliffb75]

Oh my poor Brother. I think he already paid with the sleepless night and worry of how to tell me...

He wouldn't have been giving it any more stick that I do - i think it was just its time to go. I don't blame him, and I 100% believe what he told me about how it happened.

Anyway, enough morbid stuff - look what turned up in the post today

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2446.jpg

Another ebay special:thumbs:

We'll get there.......

[LiGhTnInG]

YUMMY!!!!!!!!!!!

exedy clutch!!! how much that set ya back?

[butchus maximus]

nuts but im liking it good work boys :thumbs:

[haggis]

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Excellent project mate,

Was thinking of doing this with mine, but only using the running gear on a new chassis with a 34 Model B fiberglass body ( need 4 seats)

You've now got me thinking differently, with using the 200 as the chassis, would save some cash.

How are you doing the rear axel, from the write up, you said you've kept the subframe and diff etc, but how have you mounted the rear sub frame as you must have lost some length off it?

Any pics of the rear from underneath?

and once again

Not worthy mate

Superb build:notworthy :notworthy

[DaV]

Wow.. just wow :thumbs:

Good stuff :thumbs::thumbs:

[cliffb75]

Go Haggis Go!!:thumbs:

One of the early ideas for a project was for a 34 body (prefer the grill to 32) over a westfield type chassis, until I realised that there is quite a size difference !!

Better would be to scale down the body, but then you need to make a buck and a mould and then a body - very pricey. So I came up with the minor.

Anyway, back to your point. The subframe is still bolted into the original floorpan. All I've done is to chop some length out of the wheelbase across where there is a seam already. The sills from the minor are then welded to the floorpan, replacing the 200sx ones (which are long gone), and underneath Steve will extend the chassis to join up.

I don't have pictures of that done yet, but here it is in the 'before welding' state.

You can see (bottom right) the tiny gap between the chassis rail, that needs closing. You can also see the seam that runs across the car that needs cutting back and welding. This will leave two full seam welds, about 25mm apart, which should give it plenty of strength across there (probably more than the original seam actually).

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2127.jpg

Here it is from a couple of different angles
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2128.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2130.jpg

The left is similar, but needs the chassis rail extending further due to the slightly weird assimetrical design of the chassis rails. Anyone who knows why the hell Nissan did this, please tell me, 'cos i haven't got a clue!

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2126.jpg

The new bit of metal is where we removed the hump for the catalyst, which I don't need anymore. This will allow me to put the passenger seat much lower = better.

At the rear, I just cut back the rails to where the subframe mounts, as i don't need that much strength beyond the rear axle line. The boot floor will get fabricated from the old nissan bonnet!
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/CliffsMog10-05-06009.jpg

BUT!!

The Nissan is designed as a monocoque. The upper structure of the car is fundamental to its stiffness. You couldn't just cut the body off like this and bolt a fibreglass one on, because it wouldn't be stiff enough, and would probably just fold up in the middle. Those chassis rails are not designed to be a chassis - they don't have a deep enough section, and they aren't cross braced to each other properly. The way around this (which I am also doing) is to fit a full 6 or more point weld in roll cage. This will provide the additional stiffness required, assuming it is tied in to the floor properly, and basically replace the upper structure of the car, making it semi monocoque / spaceframe. But then this only works with a closed roof car, and if you don't mind having a cage in the cabin.

Ultimately, If I were looking to do a project like yours, and depending on exactly how you want it to look when its finished, I would probably stick with the intended chassis that fits the body, with the front suspension that comes with the chassis (go for a double wishbone option), but possibly look at attaching the 200sx rear subframe to the 34 chassis - maybe even by cutting and welding the two together, but you would need to have a look at the size and shape of the two next to each other first to see if it would work. There may be advantages to doing it this way in terms of better rear suspension etc, but I doubt very much it would cost any less. Unless you are a proficient, competent welder, and have a good understanding for what is structurally sound, then it would probably cost you more to get it done properly than simply building the car the way the manufacturuer of the kit parts intended. One offs are rarely cheaper than (even small volume) mass production.

Don't want to put a downer on it, but thats my opinion. If you think you can do it then great:thumbs: Either way, I look forward to seeing it!

[haggis]

Cliff
Thanks for the advice and the pics, that's made it a lot clearer as how you've done it.

Can see the advantages and disavantages of both the options, and for the fiberglass body vs chassis vs 200 chassis, strength would be the big issue so and I would have been going for a 6 point cage inside anyway no matter which chassis I used.

Definatley given me loads more to think about and plan it out in detail over the next couple months.

Best of luck with your build and the scooby

Cheers
THomas

[haggis]

Cliff

BTW the gap in the chassis rails is probably for a side exit exhaust

Cheers
THomas

[PGD]

a 34 Model B...
:smitten: :smitten: I'd love one of those! Tiz my favorite looking car!

This is about as close as I'll get to one for some years yet, my drawing here (http://www.pgdesigns.co.uk/caricaturep10%2034tudor.htm) :D

[Richy_Boy]

:Plug:

:D

Rich

[cliffb75]

Its back!:clap:

Loads of pi$$ing about to get onto borrowed trailer as its soooo low, but got there in the end.

Should have some more pics soon:nod:

I've got that 'kid at christmas' feeling - just can't wait to get back onto it.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

[Petrol]

Nice one :thumbs:
Keep them pics coming :D Oh and be prepared to answer a few questions ;) :wave:

[cliffb75]

Since you asked so nicely pete:)

Theses are only a few quick pics since I have family here for my partners birthday this weekend, so car is stuffed in garage with everything piled on top of it.

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http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2521.jpg

These are the 'before' shots. The intention is to grind back most of the welds to make them disappear, and hopefully tidy everything up. Although this is a competition car, I still want it to look right too - maybe a bit:ghey: ?

[Matt_S]

Nice :)

[Pugger]

Nice Projects :D

Need to keep an eye on it :D :thumbs:

Good work :)

[testpilot]

I hope someone took a note to where all that cables go:eek:

Looking great, when are you hoping for it to be finished?

Funny things with stuff like this unless your involved in the build it's hard to say how far from the finish it is.

[base-1]

These are the 'before' shots. The intention is to grind back most of the welds to make them disappear, and hopefully tidy everything up. Although this is a competition car, I still want it to look right too - maybe a bit:ghey: ?
Not :ghey: at all I'd say, when you are spending so much time, effort and money on a job like that, you don't want to feel you've only done 90% of the job because it looks tatty round the edges. When you build a car for a customer you don't let it out the door looking shabby, so don't do it to yourself either :)

What competition are you going to use it for?

Rich :)

[Petrol]

The fabrication on this is superb :thumbs: Loving the pics :) I agree, it's worth spending the extra time to achieve a good finish, it will be worth it.
After it's been ground up, how are you going to prep the bodywork before primer?

[cliffb75]

Thanks guys :thumbs:

Testpilot - The wires are no problem. It probably helps that I kind of work with this stuff every day so they don't phase me any more. All the connectors are different, so you can't really get them wrong (famous last words...), and the only reason it looks so scary is because I have removed the binding to take out unused wires - like ABS, heater controls etc. I've kept all the other connectors so what I'll do is solder the pins onto the Morris items (lights and so on) and use the nice modern Japanese electrics and plugs so it should all work properly :thumbs:

The intention is to have the car done for next summer. I'd love to take it to the Retro Cars show, which I guess will be July again. The reason for it taking so long is partly due to time available to work on it, but mostly due to budget. If I had the cash available then i could probably get it done this year, but there are several expensive bits that need to happen to the shell before it can even begin to be assembled, and those are what will take the longest to be able to afford because they pretty much need to happen one after the other. I've been trying really hard to keep the cost down by searching out bits on here and ebay, but there are some things that I just know I can't do as well as professionals (welding and paint spraying spring to mind), and so I would rather pay the money for someone else to do them right first time than compromise on quality in these areas.

You're right Rich - for the sake of a few more hours I can get it perfect, and feel proud of it, instead of leaving it and always having that 'what if' over my head. My feeling was though that if it was a pure competition car, then a neat weld with some paint over it would be sufficient - function over form and all that.

I'm intending to sprint and hillclimb it, since thats one of the few forms of motorsport that will allow something as oddball as this. It will end up in Sports libre against stuff like group B rally cars, so any success is more likely to do with what else turns up on the day than my driving :rolleyes: , though I would to have a reasonable chance in a straight line with the intended power to weight ratio (400bhp / 800kg = 500bhp per tonne), assuming I can get the traction. Maybe some drag racing would be an idea, but I don't want to go down the dedicated drag racer route as I prefer going round corners, which again means I'll probably struggle with traction.

Pete, I can't take any of the credit for the fabrication, thats all Steve's work at Minor Medics (thats the second :Plug: - I should be on commission!). For quite a few bits I've explained what I wanted, and sometimes even drawn sketches :) , but mostly Steve has just sorted it out, and I'm really pleased with the results.

You've got to remember everything is having to be cut and shaped from scratch to fill the gaps and fit the different profiles, and the modern Nissan steel, which is pretty thin and flimsy, is being welded to the older Morris steel, which is pretty thick mostly, but sometimes a bit rusty, so to get welds as nice as he has is quite an achievement. I'll get some pics of the underside up as soon as I have some (on Steve's camera at the moment).There are a few places where I deliberately don't want to grind back the welds as i think they will actually enhance the look of the car, like here

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2081a.jpg

The seams along the tops of the strut turrets are really nice (all MIG welded by the way), and will look lovely with a coat of paint on them.

Prepping the bodywork - I've been Umming and Ahhing back and forward between just bare metalling it myself with a wire wheel in the grinder and then a sanding disc, or having it acid dipped. Big advantage of having it dipped is that it neutralises all the rust, even in the bits you can't normally get to, and then goes straight into a paint booth to be etch primed. The down side is that it's bloody expensive! But again, I figure that If i spend the effort and money on getting the shell absolutely right then all the bolt on bits can be upgraded later as I get the money. I reckon by the time the shell is done (and I mean literally the bare shell including the cage but with nothing else attached ) they way I want it, I will have spent well over £6000, which when I sold the idea to the missus was the budget for the entire car! When she finds out she'll be :furious: :rant: :mad:, and thats before she finds out what the engine build is eventually going to cost me.......

[cliffb75]

More new bits have arrived!

Went and collected this today

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You can see pretty clearly how much the car has been shortened by. Haven't had a chance to weigh them yet, but new prop is substantially lighter than the old one since it doesn't have the centre bearing or extra joints. Its also now rebuildable, just in case. The guys at Recopro have done me proud, and came in well under their original estimate, which is a bonus.

Hopefully give it a test fitting tomorrow :thumbs:

[cliffb75]

And its fitted

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2574.jpg

Straight on no fuss, not that I expected any less. Best bit is that the handbrake cables still clear it OK in their new location (mounts have been moved back fair bit). It weighed in at 6kg, whereas the old one was 10.6kg.

While I was under there I tried to take a couple of photos of the underside now the welding is completed. Sorry they didn't come out that great as the car isn't really jacked high enough, but maybe you get the idea?

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2575.jpg
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You can see where the left hand side chassis rail has been extended back, and the right side has been welded at the joint. I will get round to grinding most of these welds back too, but I'll probably roll the shell onto its side for that, when the engine and suspension is all out.

Also got started on removing the sound deadening from inside. After a good look round, (and a chat with my financial advisor aka the missus) I have decided not to have it dipped after all. I'm happy that there isn't any rust lurking inside the sills etc, so its just means I need to get my hands dirty and strip it all myself. First 20% done tonight

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2584.jpg

Does anyone know what will remove the sticky stuff thats left?

[Petrol]

Try white spirit first, if not celly thinners will more than likely remove it. A job on the drive me thinks :)

Pics are good btw:thumbs: Having to scroll across the page to read the text though. Slumming it here on 1024X768 :(

[Lenagh]

yeah just thinners and spirit and lots of scrubbing standard interior stripping equipment :)

[cliffb75]

Cheers guys.

Can't put it on the drive because Scooby is stranded there :( . Lots of ventilation and short stints perhaps..

[Lenagh]

If thats all there is you will be fine. Took me 2 weeks to strip my interior a year ago I still got the headache from the fumes :wack:

[cliffb75]

Well, can confirm white spirit does the trick :thumbs:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2606.jpg

Still hard work though!

Feels like I've spent hours on it and hardly got anywhere. Definately be glad when its done (tomorrow hopefully) and I can crack on with some more interesting bits like the seat mounts and grinding the rest of the welds back smooth.

Just to add to the misery (you know it never rains but it pours??) had this happen yesterday whilst sat at some lights

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That was whilst popping out for a tool in the middle of this

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So another couple of hours wasted informing insurance company, arranging replacement vehicle etc etc. Just managed to get the Scooby engine to API before they closed.

I do get so bored during the day with nothing to do........

[Richy_Boy]

:thumbs: great work Cliff, she's coming on nicely! (not the forum member nicely :eek: ) nice looking Scoob too! Another one of your toys?

[M.D.]

love it mate, id love to have a go at doing this with a nova shell, would be rather naughty i recs, and could get rid of the nasty nova chassis too lol,

[h0us3y]

god I love this project. :cool:

:thumbs:

[cliffb75]

So, although I haven't been able to spend as much time on it as I would have liked, we do at least have some progress.

Since interior stripping is a fairly popular mod, I thought I'd let you know exactly what I did, as although there are a few threads with pics, there is not much info on whats the best way to do it.

I started with a scraper like you use for wallpaper etc, in the rear seat floor area behind the driver. It was hard bloody work, but seemed to come off resonably OK, in chunks. Left a bit of residue behind, as shown previously in the thread.

Moved on to the other side of the rear seat floor, and this was much harder to remove. It seemed to be much better stuck to the shell, and the scraper wasn't getting under it properly. I tried using a hammer to tap the scraper, but found this was difficult to control properly, either cutting too high through the material, or leaving gouges in the metal underneath.

So I then got the blowtorch out, and heated the sound deadening until it started to brown slightly. This seemed to do the trick of softening the material, which allowed me to get the scraper under it. The downside however was that instead of all the residue being little patches, it was a general smear across the whole panel. To see what I mean, have a look at the front passenger footwell after i had just removed it this way. The pressed sections are nice and clean because the sound deadening was hardly stuck to them at all. Oddly, though I did the trans tunnel the same way, it came off differently again as you can see.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2609.jpg

On balance though, this seemed like an easier and safer option than the hammer, so I carried on.

The other downside though is the mess caused when removing the residue. White spirit works well, (I found carburettor cleaner works even better, but its a bit expensive!!) with lots and lots of paper towel. First I wetted the area to be cleaned in white spirit, and then left it to soak for a bit (time for a cuppa), which softened most of it up nicely. I then gave it a bit of a rub to start moving the stubborn areas. This is what happens

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2612-1.jpg

Not pleasant, but after that its just a case of cleaning it up in stages, using (like I said) lots and lots of paper towel, until eventually it comes out like this

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2613-1.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2616.jpg

Interestingly, the boot floor area I did without the blowtorch, and it was like the first bit, came off in big chunks, and left only a patchy residue. Go figure?

All in I reckon it took me about 20 hours spread over a few days.

Thats how I did it. Anyone who has tried any other methods feel free to share them, and I can wonder why I didn't think of that :rolleyes:

So anyway, I now have a stripped interior :clap: Next job is to finish smoothing around the handbrake mount area, and install something for the seat mounting rails to bolt to. If I'm lucky, I'll get some time this weekend to have a go at that.

[Sphinx]

Awesome awesome awesome awesome :D
By the looks of things, you'll have to re-arrange the pedals like a french car, ie; close together. Shouldnt cause to much of problem though, ya get used to it lol and it makes heel and toeing easier :)

[base-1]

You're right Rich - for the sake of a few more hours I can get it perfect, and feel proud of it, instead of leaving it and always having that 'what if' over my head. My feeling was though that if it was a pure competition car, then a neat weld with some paint over it would be sufficient - function over form and all that.

I'm intending to sprint and hillclimb it, since thats one of the few forms of motorsport that will allow something as oddball as this. It will end up in Sports libre against stuff like group B rally cars, so any success is more likely to do with what else turns up on the day than my driving :rolleyes: , though I would to have a reasonable chance in a straight line with the intended power to weight ratio (400bhp / 800kg = 500bhp per tonne), assuming I can get the traction. Maybe some drag racing would be an idea, but I don't want to go down the dedicated drag racer route as I prefer going round corners, which again means I'll probably struggle with traction.

Good stuff, it'll be worth it once you've finished exerting the effort, and definitely leave some of it, that strut top is almost artistic for a MIG! :eek:

Drag racing is for americans, corners are where it's at :nod: I can't remember what you have got underneath in the way of chassis tweaks but I'm assuming you will have basically everything adjustable by the time you've finished? Traction should be reasonably easy to keep in check with the right diff, tyres and geometry, I don't think it would end up too much of a monster to control nicely.

[Paul200sx]

looking nice and clean! what colour are you going to paint the inside?

[M.D.]

getting there mate, what is the car going to be used for again for those who just looked at the pictures on all 10 paged but never read all of it lol,

cos if its going to stay stripped id get some small ish box section and weld it from the sills to the tunnel for the seat mounts, assuming you will be using buckets etc, saying that tho a mate of mine did that to mount some FTO seats to his mk2 escor still retaining the runners and it worked a peach,

ive put seats in novas, fiestas, ren 5s, escorts and its by far the easiest and strongest way, also stiffens the floor pan up too, kind of like a floor strut brace lol

[cliffb75]

Good stuff, it'll be worth it once you've finished exerting the effort, and definitely leave some of it, that strut top is almost artistic for a MIG! :eek:

Cheers for that - I'll pass the complement on :thumbs:

I've got all the adjustable arms from Bren, and i was thinking about modding / re-making whats left to take rose joints too.

What I meant by my comment about traction was that there obviously a compromise beteen cornering and straight line requirements. I don't want a drag orientated setup i.e. soft to maximise weight transfer, though a bit of experimenting with different spring rates and anti roll bars may give a good compromise. The setup will need to be slightly more launch orientated than a normal circuit car anyway due to my chosen form of competition, since the runs are so short, so good traction off the line is perhaps more important than in a 15 lap race.

The whole shell, inside and out will be in old english white. A guy I used to work with had a minor in that colour with black revolution 5 spokes and it looked :smitten: I think it really suits the car, and shows off the curves without being too in your face.

m.d., I'd looked at the various ways to mount the seats, but I have to conform to MSA regs also which requires a minimum 6cm longitudinal bracing for the seat mounts, so in the end I've done it like this

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2637.jpg

The mouting rails are profiled to the floor.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2642.jpg

Since the 200sx is a lot wider than the minor, I've had to mount the seats as close to the trans tunnel as possible, so Ive used angle against the tunnel, and then added another side to make a U section out towards the sill.

With a bit of fiddling about, the seat is still reasonably central to the column though

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2644.jpg

And I can always adjust the column to hang a little further towards the centre of the car if I really need to.

The passenger seat was also tricky, as it's 50mm wider (I'm a skinny bastard, but it turns out Erika is not as skinny as she looks :no: ), so it really needs to be as close to the tunnel as possible and very low.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2654.jpg

The shoulder 'wings' on both seats actually go under the lower window bar.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2656.jpg

I've probably gone a bit overboard using 5mm, but thats what I had in my shed :thumbs: MSA regs state minimum 3mm for reinforcing plates anyway, and the side mounts with the seats are 4mm, so I'm not that far off. I may also put a smaller bar across the floor to tie them together and replace the standard nissan pressing thats been removed, but I don't want to over do it as I'm conscious of keeping the weight down.

While I was at it, I had a quick look at how the cage might fit, if it will get past the seats, and how much space that left me in the door aperture.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2652.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2651.jpg

Blue book says between 1/3 and 1/2 of the door height (depending on which bit you read) as the max you can bring the braces up to, and this arrangement pictured is at about 2/5ths at the front, to tie in with where the dash bar will go. I don't think it looks too bad for access, as the low bit happens to fall where its needed - near the seat!

Not a bad weekend's work :)

[base-1]

More good progress mate :) I know exactly what you mean about traction v handling round the bends, didn't mean to sound condescening or anything if I did!

Box section is alright, but easier rather than a great solution. T45 with tapped bosses welded in is the best way to go IMHO :cool: :thumbs:

[chefs14]

Well I followed a thread on the New Zealand Performance car forums ( http://forums.performancecar.co.nz/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=48735&highlight= ) and I've gotta say that some amazing work you've done dude!! I've read the entire 10pages and just had to register to say WOW!!!! :notworthy Its great to see there's still some mad buggers in this world!! I'll be following the build with great interest dude!! Oh and I hope ya don't mind I put up a link on the New Zealand Nissan Silvia Forums ( www.nissansilvia.co.nz :Plug: ). Amazing work dude :thumbs:

[bkvj]

just out of interest...how long did it take to put the cars together...(S13 chassis and the morris top bit-without the modifying etc)
could it be done in a long weekend/two weekends?

me and my best mate have been thinking of doing this to a certain car(i can assure you its not a morris or anything close to that) and a S13.

[cliffb75]

Hi all

Sorry for lack of updates, my phone line is down at home, so having to log on from work. Will get some pics of this weekends progress up as soon as....

Base-1: No worries! You didn't come across bad, but just thought it was worth explaining my thinking. However, I am aware I don't know everything, so am always open to listening to other peoples opinions, and then making up my own mind. I agree with you on the 'right' way to do the seat mounts, but in the end I didn't have any T45, and I did have the angle. I will get bosses welded to the back though (not nuts), and then I may actually add some lightening slots in the top where the seat mounts cover it up. TBD

chefs14 - Cool:thumbs: I guess the word is spreading then. No problems with linking to other forums, The pressure helps to spur me on to get it done, otherwise it would be too easy to sit and watch TV rather then getting out in the garage. This will become increasingly important as winter draws nearer.......

bkvj, sorry to disappoint, but it's not a weekender (not for me at least). It took me a good while of measuring up to decide what would fit where and what to cut away. I then went at it in stages to try and minimise the amount of fabrication required. If you ignore the planning and just look at the work, I reckon it breaks down roughly as :
Prepare Minor shell: 8 hours, 1 person
Prepare 200sx floorpan: 10 hours, 1 1/2 people
Rough fit two halves together: 20 hours, 2 people (lots of fitting and removing shell, shortening wheelbase and trimming back bits of shell / floor as necessary)

That was all done on my drive using a grinder and a small MIG (note - I used about 50 cutting discs, so get plenty in if you don't want to run out) I then took it to Steves workshop to Properly weld the 2 parts together, including fabricating all the new bits that were required to bridge gaps, strengthen the front strut turrets etc. He does this for a living, has access to all the tools including a plasma cutter for making intricate shapes from sheet metal and plenty of working space. He put in around 100 hours work to get to the point you see now, and it still needs a boot floor fabricating.

So, in short, I don't think its really a weekender :no: As with most things, it's the details that take the time. Still, if you do decide to go for it, lets see some pictures, and if you have any questions just ask. I'm ore than happy to share how I did things (and then get flamed for it probably :rolleyes: )

Good luck!

[Rude Dog]

WOW!!! What a great project :thumbs:
Bet your neighbors love you :D

[bkvj]

cheers cliff:)

awesome project it is

[base-1]

Base-1: No worries! You didn't come across bad, but just thought it was worth explaining my thinking. However, I am aware I don't know everything, so am always open to listening to other peoples opinions, and then making up my own mind. I agree with you on the 'right' way to do the seat mounts, but in the end I didn't have any T45, and I did have the angle. I will get bosses welded to the back though (not nuts), and then I may actually add some lightening slots in the top where the seat mounts cover it up. TBD
:D :D Brillotastic


I'm more than happy to share how I did things (and then get flamed for it probably :rolleyes: )
So true - the joys of the internet lol ;)

[anorak]

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy absolutley bloody amazing lookin forward to seein this project finished .Just read the whole thread you sir are a welding and fabrication god

[minordan]

I joined simply to say this.

You guys have been slating the Morris Minor OC on the basis of a single comment. The vast majority of the comments about the project were the same as here, highly supportive and looking forwards to seeing the end result.

The MMOC is not, as many imagine, full of flat cap wearing pipe smoking, 60-80 year old men. Just the same (I would imagine) that the SXOC is not full of chavs and boy racers as many would imagine. The concerns were not so much of ruining a savable car (you'd have to be nuts to do this to a concourse winner after all) but more about the safety implications and how handling etc would be affected by this.

Sorry, rant over.

I think its a marvelous project and I look forwards to hopefully taking a gander at some point. And I will follow the progress with interest

[Minor_Detour]

Hi Guys,
As yet another Minor owner, member of MMOC and fan of this project, I can only appologise on behalf of the negative comment.
Any message board will get their share of flamers and grumpy old gets so best to avoid acting the same way ;-)
I can understand why Chris didn't like the snotty comment (I can't blame him either!) but as nearly all the replies were positive, it's not fair to see it out of context.

Having rebuilt + driven a Minor across the Sahara in the last year I can certainly appreciate the work that has gone in on this one - this is gr8.
My ladder chassis V8 Minor project is getting nowhere fast! :rolleyes:

I can't wait to see this at an MMOC national rally - it will be in good company amongst carbon fibre spaceframe Minors, Ladder Chassis V8's, no end of 2.0L twincam Minors et al... The green rat-look V8 always draws a crowd and I was sad not to see it this year as it has been coming for ages.
I guess most people wouldn't expect a Minor National rally at a race track where owners get the chance to do timed laps? Been there, done that (2004)

Part of the MMOC membership is of course old, wrinkly and very conservative (not neccessarily all 3), but the club has always tried hard to cater for all tastes.

Anyway - was mainly here following the thread for the update pics as the thread on MMOC site went cold. Can't wait to see more.

Ray.

[Driftwood]

we are watching this from far away, we all love it.

howdy from texas, John

[testpilot]

Madminor is certainly doing the rounds now.

My cousin in Malta has heard about it too:eek:

[SvenEst]

We heard about it too, in Estonia :thumbs:

[thenickos]

no updates on this yet ? ;)

[archenemy.co.uk]

Just the same (I would imagine) that the SXOC is not full of chavs and boy racers as many would imagine.

there are more every day :smash: :rolleyes:

[Topper]

Just catching up with this, awsome project, just amazing :clap:

[cliffb75]

Hmm, MadMinor has been heard about be people all over the world. No pressure then.....

I am amazed this has taken off like this. I really didn't expect it to be so popular. Thanks to those who have gone to the effort of registering just to make a post saying they are watching. Its appreciated :thumbs:

Sorry about lack of updates. I have a real job, unlike Petrol (sorry Pete, couldn't resist ;) ) so don't get much done in the week, and have had problems with phone line at home so haven't been able to upload last weekends progress. Should be able to get some more pics up after this weekend though.

[will_datsun]

Despite being a member here, i just found this thread, it was linked from an AMERICAN car (Mopar) forum ! Well impressed with your idea and determination to pull this off, and as far as 'i would have done it differently' goes, i guess I might have picked an early 70s Datsun bodyshell, to keep it all Nissan :) but.. Top work!

[h0us3y]

ok ! so you now have half the world watching you build this.


No pressure then :wack:

[Johnny]

The MMOC is not, as many imagine, full of flat cap wearing pipe smoking, 60-80 year old men. Just the same (I would imagine) that the SXOC is not full of chavs and boy racers as many would imagine.

Actually thanks to the 200sx model s14 - most people think of us a pipe and slipper 60 year old men.

[cliffb75]

Phones up:thumbs:

Some pics from last weekend. Doesn't look like a lot of progress, but all the grinding and smoothing takes time, plus I'm not the worlds fastest worker as I tend to think about things a lot rather than just getting on with it. :whip:

Anyway, inside rough smoothed and first couple of coats of etch primer to protect the bare metal

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2668.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2667.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2666.jpg

and the seat mounts cleaned up ready for welding the bosses underneath and then welding into the car
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2670.jpg

And finally a few shots of the beginnings of the new boot floor.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2662.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2665.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2664.jpg

Still not sure whether to keep the bracing or not - I'll see how it goes when I add the sides. Although the pics don't show it too clearly, the front of this is at the bottom of the diff level. It then curves up to the rear. If my calculation is correct, I should end up with around a 12 degree exit angle, which is reasonable for a diffuser, plus a nice smooth transition. The intention is to fit a full length flat undertray to help airflow under the car, and hopefully stop it from taking off :nod: I know I'll have to think about how to keep the diff and gearbox cool, but I'm sure the appropriate re-location of coolers and naca ducts can be used to overcome this.

Hopefully will look dead cool too - a minor with a diffuser :)

[base-1]

:thumbs:

[Petrol]

Sorry about lack of updates. I have a real job, unlike Petrol (sorry Pete, couldn't resist ;) )

Old and semi retirement has it's advantages :D ;) S13's are driven by the pipe and slippers brigade you know :D

Looking good. I will be interested to see what you do with the boot floor and the full length flat undertray, as will most of the world :D Talk about pressure :eek:

Mailed you BTW ;)

[Observer]

Registered just to say what an awesome project, shall definitely be keeping an eye on this one :) :notworthy

Hence my user name as someone has the one i normally use :ghey:

Obs

[wocketfast]

Im in total awe! and shock! crikey. you are clearly nuts. Wish I had the vision and comitment to see something like this as possible, and then follow through with the idea. Awsume.

[cliffb75]

Steady progress this weekend. Couldn't seem to get the enthusiasm together, and ended up watching the Grand Prix instead. Well done Jenson - about bloody time too!

Anyway, thinking about the best way to sort the boot floor was making my brain hurt, so I turned to the front of the car for a bit, and did this

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2687.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2690.jpg

Nissan have helpfully spaced the original mounting holes near enough the same as a standard aftermarket master cylinder, although the two cylinders are a bit further apart than would be ideal, but will be OK. Started on making the hole in the pedal for the balance bar assembly, but got a bit late to be making too much grinding noise.

There's a few other little mods that need to happen to fit the twin master cylinders, like filling in that big hole and modifying the spacers that are spot welded to the bulkhead, but it doesn't look like its going to be too hard. Once I've done it I'll post up a 'how to' showing what I did. In my opinion, anyone looking to turn their 200 into a track car should have this mod as one of their top priorities, since the reduction in weight is huge (I'll weigh the bits and let you know later) and the improvement in brake feel and response is immense when you get the servo out of the way.

[base-1]

Servo's are for fags :ghey:

[wocketfast]

Yup well done Jenson (at last)

With those 2 cylinders does that mean you will be running one for the front and one for the back? and therefore I presume will look to on the fly brake bias adjustment in the future? Would be a nice track day touch.

[30something]

Mental project, it's going to look great :thumbs:

I'm wondering what the handling is going to be like with the shortened wheelbase? - hopefully not too much of a handfull.

:sxoc:

[Parker]

If anyone reading from around the world is interested in buying an S13 to do this kind of thing, prices start at £5k 'cos I said so ;)

Looking forward to seeing the brakes and diffuser taking shape :nod:

[Hayce]

To add to the round the world flavour, Im in New zealand and was linked from an american Honda forum.

Top work on the project, amazing :clap:

[cliffb75]

With those 2 cylinders does that mean you will be running one for the front and one for the back? and therefore I presume will look to on the fly brake bias adjustment in the future? Would be a nice track day touch.

Thats the idea. :nod:

Quick update on this:
Pedal drilled and then ground out to take balance bar tube
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2704.jpg

and balance bar assembled into it
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2708.jpg

Fitted to pedal box
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2710.jpg

With master cylinders and modified spacers attached, after pedal box modified for clearance
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2716.jpg

There are still a few adjustments needed before it fits and opertates properly. Still got to fill that whacking great hole in the bulkhead too. :rolleyes:

[LiGhTnInG]

WOW!!!!!

Excellent update!!!!

(also well done to mr button! )

[Petrol]

Looks great :)
Are you going to connect a bowden cable to the balance bar for dash adjustable bias?

As always :notworthy :notworthy

[cliffb75]

Probably :nod:

[bren]

Looks great :)
Are you going to connect a bowden cable to the balance bar for dash adjustable bias?


In English? :)

[Buffy]

one of these Bren :)

http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=36334&stc=1&d=1155286272

[cliffb75]

Thats the kiddy

Is it technically a bowden cable if it truns rather than push/pulls??

Have you got one on project phoenix? I noticed it looked like you also left the MC's spaced to the original mounting holes. What did you do with the pedal and the pushrod lengths? I'm having the balance bar clevis's extended, but did you go for longer pushrods or what?

Interested to know how people tackle things

[nicco]

Hey mate, just giving you another vote of confidence! :P

Just so you know too, i found the link through an aussie ford site... which i got to from another aussie ford site... and i posted it on another aussie cruising site!! ha ha. you'll be world famous before long!

[Petrol]

In English? :)

Turning this adjusts the brake bias

http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/IMG_2710.jpg

If you connect a flexi cable to it, like the one Buffy posted a pic of, you can adjust the brake bias on the move :cool:

Pic of dash adjuster (sorry for poor pic)


http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/petrol/S13_Waxoyl_pics/Minor/dash_adjuster.jpg

Hope that makes sense :)

[arry]

Hey mate, just giving you another vote of confidence! :P

Just so you know too, i found the link through an aussie ford site... which i got to from another aussie ford site... and i posted it on another aussie cruising site!! ha ha. you'll be world famous before long!

welcome aboard by the way :wave:

[Ed]

This car should be world famous, its awesome :notworthy

Is there an E.T.A. for the project, or is it going to take as long as it takes :)

Not that I'm impatient or anything :thumbs:

[base-1]

In English? :)
You
NEED
To
Fit
One
To
Your
Monster
;)

[cliffb75]

Is there an E.T.A. for the project, or is it going to take as long as it takes

Well, unofficial deadline is for next years Retro Cars show, which is probably July, but its all about money, and how quickly I can afford to pay for stuff. If it takes longer then so be it - I'm not going to rush it to make a deadline :no:

Todays progress

Got the clevis extensions made up by my friendly machinist
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/ba7c436c.jpg

Assembled it all on the bench to check it works
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/19ed02df.jpg

Then tried it in the car
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/c16184f2.jpg

Seems pretty good, but cant get pedal to the floor without some fouling on the pedal box, so there is still some tweaking to do.

Anyway, cracked on with filling the bulkhead. My welding is improving! (shame it wasn't quite in the right place though :rolleyes: )
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2728.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/cliffb75/IMG_2730.jpg

Got a bit late to do any more grinding, and I'm away for the weekend, so thats probably it until next week. I'm quite pleased with it so far though. :D

Oh and I weighed the bits. Old servo is just under 5 kgs. New mastercylinders and balance bar are just under 2 kgs :thumbs: Didn't weigh the ABS pump before I skipped it, but was probably going on for 7 or 8 kgs, so total weight saving of about 10 kgs and better brake feel and adjustability. Winner.:)

[95KoukiS14]

Just wanted to chime in and say your doing some amazing work. I never seen anything like this done before. Keep up the good work and progress. :)

[Z63R]

Reg'd to say that you're doing a top shelf job of it. :notworthy Not bad for a Home Hack. :p

I appreciate that you'll ponder a bit rather than "just getting on with it" and the project shows it. There's obviously much more work to be done, but the foundation appears to be somewhat complete. Love the Morris and the absolute beast this machine of yours will be. We like the 200SXs over here in the States as they are some of the last available front engine/rear drive vehicles commonly available and decent enough for hobby motorsport.

Myself? After years of banging on yank tanks with pushrod V8s (I can fully understand the magnitude of your undertaking... LOL - moreso with the modern PCM and it's wire) I find myself in a lil' front driver and loving it. I'm fairly fortunate to have a big aluminum Ford/Mazda Duratec in a lighter Focus hatch; it's not slow and the handling is superb.

Point is, if I were to get on with a project similar to yours but without going vintage, it'd be correcting the driveline layout of my Focus using a BMW M3 rear suspension clip and a 300 HP naturally aspirated Duratec in it's proper orientation. Hee.

I will, Sir, with envy continue to watch your project. :) :thumbs:

[Ruaraidh]

You got your feet up Cliff? ;)

Was looking forward to this week's lunchtime entertainment! Hehe!

[M.D.]

still looking good mate, and if its going to mainly be a play machine who needs abs anyway, im sure the minor would not have had it lol,

altho i will be keeping it on my car as its saved me too many times in the wet when panic kicks in, hard to put all that practice at stopping and controlling the car quickly you have done when someone pulls out in front of you or a kid steps out between the cars, in the wet........

[MiDGet]

hey mate, Im a part of the PGA(www.pulsar.org.au) in australia... i think your doing a great job and cant wait till the car is finished and will be watching keenly!

Well done and keep up the good work!

[SamuelH]

I love this! Im impressed, Keep the good work up :)

[Parker]

75,000 views... I'd be setting up a pay per view website ;)

[thenickos]

75,000 views... I'd be setting up a pay per view website ;)

got to be the most viewed ever.

Think of the advetising fees you could charge ;)

[cliffb75]

got to be the most viewed ever.

Think of the advetising fees you could charge ;)

Pretty cool huh? :)

I had thought about a website, but I like it here - the interaction is good. And hopefully some of these people will have a look around the rest of the forum, and get a new perspective on the SXOC and SX owners in general. Can only be a good thing I hope.

Bit of a lack of obvious progress this week, as I've been busy at work. I have done a bit of fettling, but nothing worth taking pics of. Probably won't get much done at the weekend either as I should be picking up the scooby's engine and re-fitting it :D Just hope the weather holds (no chance :( )

[medium dave]

Genius.... Madman...

Never before have the lines been so heavily blurred! Keep up the great work, watching from Tasmania - Australia, this car has gone global! :clap:

Oh and kudos to your girl for putting up with you, she must be a good woman :)