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CBomb
01-05-2006, 11:36
Not me, just posting the pictures for Stuee69

His PC is up the chuff:rolleyes:

Just a couple of tasters for now but I think you'll get the idea

Looks like 2007 is going to be a phenominal year for modifed 200s in the UK with Purplepowers and Bigtones on the way too:thumbs:

Can you guess what it is?

http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=31668&stc=1&d=1146483280

A bit more of a clue........

http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=31669&stc=1&d=1146483320

***:thumbs:

bigtone
01-05-2006, 11:37
massy fergason

MeLLoN Stu
01-05-2006, 11:38
pmsl :D

CBomb
01-05-2006, 11:39
massy fergason

lol, it'll probbly have a similar amount of torque:D

Mikey
01-05-2006, 11:41
God knows, Supra Engine ?? :confused:

MeLLoN Stu
01-05-2006, 11:43
God knows, Supra Engine ?? :confused:

the clue is in the last picture :)

Mikey
01-05-2006, 11:44
the clue is in the last picture :)

Monitors not that good :smash:

pyro
01-05-2006, 11:58
:eek:
Where did he manage to come by one of those?

nene
01-05-2006, 12:02
RB30 with an RB26 head? :D

Making the mythical beast that is the RB30DETT :thumbs:

That should move reasonably swiftly.

CBomb
01-05-2006, 12:04
It's going to be a bloody tight fit in an S13 but worth all the effort when it's finished:nod:

I'll try and pop round for some more pics next weekend (the engine is going in today:thumbs: )

***:D

nene
01-05-2006, 12:07
Don't you need an angle grinder to make the bonnet shut afterwards? :D

MattyGee
01-05-2006, 12:08
cool :thumbs:

Paul FWx
01-05-2006, 12:09
It's going to be a bloody tight fit in an S13 but worth all the effort when it's finished:nod:

I'll try and pop round for some more pics next weekend (the engine is going in today:thumbs: )

***:D


S13?!?! Yikes... That makes it even more imrpessive

CBomb
01-05-2006, 12:10
Don't you need an angle grinder to make the bonnet shut afterwards? :D

IIRC the engine is 34" tall,

Bonnet is going to have to be a bit taller and the sump a bit lower (it's already a shorter specced sump)

***:nod:

disco-tom
01-05-2006, 12:10
Is the 3.0 block significantly taller than the 2.6, then?

But it's gonna be sweet as well, though. :thumbs:

I wonder what happened to Luffy's RB30 project.... :confused:

Jezz_S13
01-05-2006, 12:11
The 26 head doesn't fit the 30 block AFAIK (oil & water ways don't align), the 25 head does fit though. :)

The RB30 was used in some Holden efforts as the GM lump couldn't meet the emmisions conditions; so I guess that means they are not that rare, as long as you live in OZ.

Anyway, nice work Stuee, that's going to be pretty cool. :)

Yakko
01-05-2006, 12:12
Wow! :cool:

That's going to be an awesome S13. Really different too. :thumbs:

CBomb
01-05-2006, 12:13
I've just been chatting to MeLLoN Stu on MSN,

Apparently Keith Cowie and Rod Bell are using RB30s too:nod:

:Edit: for speeling :wack:

Jezz_S13
01-05-2006, 12:17
Apperently the 30 block can take about 1600bhp and is stronger than the 26 block.

This has potential of being a rather cool S13. :D

OdEssA
01-05-2006, 12:24
Apperently the 30 block can take about 1600bhp and is stronger than the 26 block.
1600bhp. :cool: this is what i call a monster project :nod: :D

Tom_w
01-05-2006, 12:33
very nice!!

If my rb25 bottom end doesnt like the power it gets then I plan to build a strong rb30 and bolt on a suitably massive turbo.

Finally seems like we are catching up with the guys down under, they dont know what a ca18 is i dont think lol.

So how much power is hoped for on what turbos?

dunc
01-05-2006, 12:33
:cool:

Martin T
01-05-2006, 13:07
Oh yeah fcuk me thats going to be an impressive project!
:notworthy

BigD
01-05-2006, 13:31
looks like a fun project :thumbs: .



people chill an stop dissin :wack: each other ffs

Aitch
01-05-2006, 13:34
WTF an illiterate tw@t taking the p1ss out of someone for a typo.
You really are thick aren't you?
Now, now Martin - you are lambasting what could be the UK's biggest hope of getting a medal at this years special olympics ;). You should show someone, who possesses these olympian standards of demonstrating their specialness, a bit more respect :)

Another cool project - it's good to see that this bank holiday has revealed a high number of ongoing monster ideas and not just a high number of retards crawling out of the woodwork :notworthy

Jeremy 200
01-05-2006, 13:50
Known about this for ages but Stuee swore me to secrecy:D Was hard not to tell anyone about it!lol

Cant wait too see the finished result!

Power wise i thinks it built for upto 600hp:eek:

ferretca18
01-05-2006, 13:54
christ on a stick:eek: keep the pics comming, im loving all these projects, very inspiring!:thumbs:

Stu
01-05-2006, 14:00
IIRC the engine is 34" tall,

Bonnet is going to have to be a bit taller and the sump a bit lower (it's already a shorter specced sump)

***:nod:

Dry sumping would make it a bit easier surely? That would remove 4" from the height.

This sounds like a pretty impressive project, it'll be good to see progress reports.

Dave_S
01-05-2006, 15:48
Ooooh Sweeeeet :cool:

Can't wait for more pics :thumbs:

Dave

unipsycho
01-05-2006, 16:12
We need to have all these monster projects in one place for a damn good thrashing once they are finished :nod:

:notworthy

BigD
01-05-2006, 16:21
what we need is a projects section, where only the thread starter can update.

Jeremy 200
01-05-2006, 17:02
Dry sumping would make it a bit easier surely? That would remove 4" from the height.

This sounds like a pretty impressive project, it'll be good to see progress reports.


Stuee's made up some subframe spacers to space it down more so the engine sits lower. Aiming for it to fit under the std. bonnet.

Papa Lazarou
01-05-2006, 17:11
The 26 head doesn't fit the 30 block AFAIK (oil & water ways don't align), the 25 head does fit though. :)

The RB30 was used in some Holden efforts as the GM lump couldn't meet the emmisions conditions; so I guess that means they are not that rare, as long as you live in OZ.

Anyway, nice work Stuee, that's going to be pretty cool. :)

Theres an OS Giken RB30DETT kit you can buy. Very serious money though :nod:

MeLLoN Stu
01-05-2006, 17:14
8200 quid :nod: :eek:

Asht_200
01-05-2006, 17:33
to my knowledge the RB30 was never a skyline engine. it was a Diesel

this is a hybrid ;)

The RB30 was fitted to the patrol as a carbed petrol IIRC

Jezz_S13
01-05-2006, 17:58
Don't think it was ever a diesel.

Some Holden info..
http://oldholden.com/?q=search/node/rb30

And a wiki about RB's..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine

RohanC
01-05-2006, 18:00
Sweeeeet, but heard a rumor about this the other day ;)

sirtest2004
01-05-2006, 18:02
Bren hurry up and finish your 700bhp SR22 S14a!!!! These S13's are showing us lot up!!!!!!

Jim
01-05-2006, 18:04
Bren hurry up and finish your 700bhp SR22 S14a!!!! These S13's are showing us lot up!!!!!!
We do that stationary ;)

bigtone
01-05-2006, 18:06
Please don't post on anymore threads unless you have thought first. Also run your posts through a spell checker first as the misspelling in your posts is bloody irritating.
I did point that out to him :nod:

sirtest2004
01-05-2006, 18:09
We do that stationary ;)
:eek: lol

we'll see, we'll see...!!!

Bigtone...Buffy.....fancy helping build the ultimate SR20?;)

Buffy
01-05-2006, 18:10
:eek: lol

we'll see, we'll see...!!!

Bigtone...Buffy.....fancy helping build the ultimate SR20?;)

Already got one on the go :cry: :wack:

Top choice of engine :thumbs:

purplepower
01-05-2006, 19:54
Sweet :cool:

jrtuning
01-05-2006, 20:13
Hope this is going to end up a SR vs CA bashing thread?? :wack:

Nice project mate in fact very, very, very nice :nod:

me too go CA power :wack:

looks like a really good project though all the best with it and i agree with the idea of a section for projects so we can keep updated on them easier :nod:

Sideways Danny
01-05-2006, 21:03
Don't think it was ever a diesel.

Some Holden info..
http://oldholden.com/?q=search/node/rb30

And a wiki about RB's..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine


I knew it came in the patrol, sure I was told it was a diesel. I know it was an SOHC

enigmatik33
01-05-2006, 21:25
there is a rb30/25 single turbo powered 260z from austalia in sept 2005 issue of retro car magazine.

Matt_S
01-05-2006, 21:26
The RB30 was fitted to the R31 afaik.

Nice one Stuee :thumbs:

mambastu
01-05-2006, 23:13
Looking forward to seeing this finished Stu :thumbs:

walkin
02-05-2006, 05:56
hi from NZ


The 26 head doesn't fit the 30 block AFAIK (oil & water ways don't align), the 25 head does fit though. :)

The RB30 was used in some Holden efforts as the GM lump couldn't meet the emmisions conditions; so I guess that means they are not that rare, as long as you live in OZ.

Anyway, nice work Stuee, that's going to be pretty cool. :)

correct. having never tried myself, although the 26 head is not a direct bolt on, it is nothing insurmountable. a lot of guys are doing it in NZ/Aus. try searching for RB30 and R.I.P.S on the skylines downunder website. R.I.P.S. commercially produce them. also look on GTROC - a few guys on there are now building and importing R.I.P.S. RB30 engines.

Holden used them in the VL as a SOHC turbo. Apparently it is not uncommon for VL turbo driving aussie bogens to yell abuse about "jap crap" ;). I don't know for sure, but I think they used the RB30 because it was the most cost effective way of getting a (comparatively) well performing 6 cylinder engine to complete the range alongside the v8. I don't believe that it was for emmisions reasons.


to my knowledge the RB30 was never a skyline engine. it was a Diesel

this is a hybrid ;)

R31 used RB30. I once considered purchasing a R31 estate and adding the rb26 head for a very good sleeper. common sense and the bank manager saved me in time. Also most definitely a petrol engine.

can you tell I considered buying a skyline before the 200sx?

andypat
02-05-2006, 08:10
here we go the engine came from n/zealand the engine stands 2"" taller the th ca I know cos I was there when we measured it it,s an rb 30 3litre twin t28,s and we think it,s about 450ish bhp as it goes in the car I,m heading round to see stuee later this morning so will get lots of piccies and a lot more info he has also fitted a skyline rear axle and the clutch is triple plated and with the fly wheel weighs approx 10 kgs. I will put up some more details later

andypat
02-05-2006, 15:56
Right just spent a couple of hours round at stuees place trying to sort a few thing like wiring loom we seem to have worked out most of the connectors but there are a few we weren,t sure about so if there is anyone out there with a bit of wiring loom knowledge stuee would be most grateful for their help.
Also I have managed to get a few photo,s of the engine already fitted he has a couple of issues with the height but nothing that can,t be sorted with a bit of fabrication

andypat
02-05-2006, 16:00
here is a couple more

Jezz_S13
02-05-2006, 16:15
Feck me, quick work. :)

:cool:

purplepower
02-05-2006, 16:23
Hmmm... Does look a little taller than the 26 :( - How are you going to get around this? Custom engine mounts? Although I gather there's not alot of meat on the standard one's to allow them to be cut down too much?

Jezz_S13
02-05-2006, 16:25
An FJ20 S12 Silvia style bonnet vent would work (look shite though), but I'd be lowering the CoG if at all possible.

andypat
02-05-2006, 16:30
I beleive he has lowered the engine mount,s when we measured the engine it was about 2-3 inches taller than the ca but with a bit on manipulation to the bonnet he think,s it will fit

purplepower
02-05-2006, 16:31
An FJ20 S12 Silvia style bonnet vent would work (look shite though), but I'd be lowering the CoG if at all possible.
The only way I can think of doing that would be a custom crossmember. It's doable, but would be a bit of a pain...

Definately the way to go though if you're after a car that handles as well as go's like shit off a shovel :D

andypat
02-05-2006, 16:44
The only way I can think of doing that would be a custom crossmember. It's doable, but would be a bit of a pain...

Definately the way to go though if you're after a car that handles as well as go's like shit off a shovel :D

he had one made up in n.zealand and shipped with the engine

doninphi
02-05-2006, 16:54
:notworthy

Awesome...

:notworthy

Surely a modded bonnet with a kinda smooth 'power bulge' will sort it, unless you want it to be a sleeper...

Parker
02-05-2006, 17:04
Just slam the bonnet really hard :smash:

Jeremy 200
02-05-2006, 18:01
Pic taken from the side to show clearance issue:wack:

http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=31824&stc=1&d=1146592768
:smash: :smash:

nene
02-05-2006, 18:06
You have an angle grinder, right? ;)

purplepower
02-05-2006, 18:18
I'm sure you have thought of this, but is there any way you can angle the engine less? It looks at quite an angle as it's sitting :confused:

Alex l
02-05-2006, 18:33
What about one of those big intake thingys you see on the old American muscle cars?

RohanC
02-05-2006, 19:24
Good luck getting the bonnet shut :wack:

Sure you will fine a way :)

Parker
02-05-2006, 19:25
I'm sure you have thought of this, but is there any way you can angle the engine less? It looks at quite an angle as it's sitting :confused:

Will there be enough room to pivot the gearbox up? If not, surely they'd be no ground clearance as you'd have to lower the block (which looks like it isn't an option).

Get Andy to sit on the bonnet :D

Phil LS
02-05-2006, 19:30
:cool:

blue boy
02-05-2006, 19:33
That is amazing, great work lads :thumbs:

NikB
02-05-2006, 19:33
Pic taken from the side to show clearance issue:wack:

http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=31824&stc=1&d=1146592768
:smash: :smash:

That's easy if you've ever had to shut the missus's suitcase after she's put all her shoes in :smash:

Nice project :cool: Nice to see people doing very silly things with hooge engines :D

Jeremy 200
02-05-2006, 19:35
The engine is sitting level at the moment. However the gearbox isnt in yet so the final angle and resting place of the engine wont be known till then:)

John Sharratt
02-05-2006, 19:46
just out of interest, whats the gearbox?

Aitch
02-05-2006, 20:33
just out of interest, whats the gearbox?
It's a box full of cogs and stuff that can make the car travel at different speeds :nod:

JulesS14200
02-05-2006, 20:37
Nice project :notworthy

TVR Rob
02-05-2006, 20:55
Is there no way you can cant the engine over more? Double benefit of a) fitting and b) lowering the CoG more...

Great project, keep up the good work!

cowpatmatt
02-05-2006, 22:25
looks like a mad project!! i am sure you can make it fit. dont have a bonnet!!

SX Drifting
02-05-2006, 22:55
Just slam the bonnet really hard :smash:

Works every time:)

Jeremy 200
02-05-2006, 23:06
It's a box full of cogs and stuff that can make the car travel at different speeds :nod:

LOL:D

If i remember correctly its a gearbox from an rb25 engine with strengthened internals.

stumitch
02-05-2006, 23:13
If i remember correctly its a gearbox from an rb25 engine with strengthened internals.

I think its going to need to be strengthened :nod: a lot :wack:

fudi
02-05-2006, 23:35
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Pilot
Just slam the bonnet really hard





Works every time:)

lovely shaped power bulge :wack:

Tom_w
03-05-2006, 02:17
RB25 box will have no problems with 450hp.

stuee69
03-05-2006, 08:50
Hi Guys, :wave: :thumbs:

So this is what's going in:

RB30 block,
baffled and expanded sump,
RB26dett head,
a pair of uprated T28's,
Skyline front subframe and engine mounts
Subframe already lowered 15mm but the bonnet still won't shut!
76mm/ 80mm pipework,
600x 300x 75 FMIC,
RB25 gearbox,
Super lightweight fly with triple plate low inertia clutch pack,
custom propshaft,
GTS rear subframe with the rear steering removed,
Skyline crossdrilled rear brakes and twin-pots,
power FC management,
GTR loom.

I think that's most of it anyway:smitten:
I estimate the sump will be 80mm from the floor.:eek:

***If anyone knows anything about the wiring looms conversion/ link up process I would be very grateful for your assistance.

***And I need a Koyo Radiator if anyone knows of one going cheap!

I got loads of pics, will try to get em posted up in the next few days. ( I'm a bit busy at the mo!)

stuee69
03-05-2006, 08:51
Oh yeah, 720cc injectors and vernier cams!

Need to change my sig:wack:

cranky
03-05-2006, 09:05
What about this style: :D
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/rxv8/P1010073.jpg

stevec
03-05-2006, 09:09
Apperently the 30 block can take about 1600bhp and is stronger than the 26 block.

This has potential of being a rather cool S13. :D



The 26 head doesn't fit the 30 block AFAIK (oil & water ways don't align), the 25 head does fit though.

The RB30 was used in some Holden efforts as the GM lump couldn't meet the emmisions conditions; so I guess that means they are not that rare, as long as you live in OZ.

1600 bhp is for the os giken conversion, not the std RB30, IIRC the crank can take about 700.

the head does fit you just need to open the headbolts out to 10mm like on the RB26 from the 6mm or whatever they are on the rb25. all the holes are in the right places. (edit: may be 12mm and 10mm for the 25 not sure)

depending on what configuration you run there are some waterways that need to be slightly modified and you also need to drill and tap an oil feed for the turbos.

I believe there are some issues with the gearboc lining up as well, but this may be just if you use the gtr box. there is a chap on the GTROC who is doing a step by step photoshoot of his conversion, but he is staying 4wd.

this is something I was looking into and will keep an eye on this thread.

Great work stuee69 !!:notworthy

/Steve

Tom_w
03-05-2006, 10:36
I got my Koyo rad from america for half the price you pay over here.
I think it was on ebay from a place that sell loads of them. I just asked if they had one in stock.

Did you import the engine as a whole? I would like to know how much I can get a shagged RB30 bottom end for so I can rebuild one.

John Bennett
03-05-2006, 11:12
:cool: :cool: :cool: Looking rather amazing.



***If anyone knows anything about the wiring looms conversion/ link up process I would be very grateful for your assistance.


What version of skyline is the engine management harness out of? There only seems to be R32 wiring harness diagrams available unfortunately (and I wouldn't know if they changed it for 33 and 34), but I could have a browse through with some suggestions if no-one else steps forward :nod:

WideboyS14
03-05-2006, 11:21
this is going to be some maadddd car, keep up the good work.:notworthy you should just cut a little section of the bonnet away where it sticks up, so you can see the top of the head sticking out.:thumbs:

nene
03-05-2006, 11:49
What version of skyline is the engine management harness out of? There only seems to be R32 wiring harness diagrams available unfortunately (and I wouldn't know if they changed it for 33 and 34), but I could have a browse through with some suggestions if no-one else steps forward :nod:
I would've already thrown an offer in, but I'm worried about not having a wiring diagram available. Without that you're left to toning the wires out or worse.

I'm happy to help though, if there's anything I can do :nod:

This is a wonderful project, I'd love to help :)

mambastu
03-05-2006, 16:38
Subframe already lowered 15mm but the bonnet still won't shut!


If the engines level in the car the underbonnet bracing needs a bit of modification for the cam belt cover with the 25/26 in an RS13 and the RB30 block itself is 30mm taller than a RB25/26 block so it was never going to fit in without a bonnet bulge Stu. Should be able to get away with a subtle bulge at the front of the bonnet though :thumbs:

stuee69
04-05-2006, 07:52
Some more piccies of the monster

purplepower
04-05-2006, 07:55
Some more piccies of the monster

Jeez - I better get my Arse into gear! :D - Top work Stu :)

stuee69
04-05-2006, 07:55
and some more,,,,,,.....

stuee69
04-05-2006, 08:02
And some more....................This is one BIG MUTHA of an engine!

stuee69
04-05-2006, 08:14
:cool: :cool: :cool: Looking rather amazing.



What version of skyline is the engine management harness out of? There only seems to be R32 wiring harness diagrams available unfortunately (and I wouldn't know if they changed it for 33 and 34), but I could have a browse through with some suggestions if no-one else steps forward :nod:

The head and loom are from an R32 GTR apparently. Do you have the wiring diags??? Is it possible to send them over?
Cheers

purplepower
04-05-2006, 09:03
The head and loom are from an R32 GTR apparently. Do you have the wiring diags??? Is it possible to send them over?
Cheers

What's your E mail address? I have the wiring diagrams here :)

amnesia
04-05-2006, 10:45
An oil filter relocation kit might be a good idea - there's not going to be much room to change it otherwise :eek:

Matt_S
04-05-2006, 18:05
What's your E mail address? I have the wiring diagrams here :)

*cough*

Yes he does (now) ;)

Delboy
04-05-2006, 21:51
Stu, been looking forward to seeing this get going for a while now... and you don't hang about do you??!! :)

Going to be keeping a close eye on how this goes, can't wait to see it finished :D

RIPS NZ
04-05-2006, 22:00
Hi guys, I'm Rob from R.I.P.S.
Thought I'd better introduce myself.
I've read the thread and although some of the comments about what fits what and different block/head combo's etc are correct, quite a bit is not.
I do nothing but build these engines and there are a number of combinations that all work well and we apply them to different situations for maximum results.
If you have any questions regarding RB25's, 26's, 30's or combinations of them, and would like to hear answers from a reliable source, feel free to ask away, I'm more than happy to help if I can.

Best of luck Stu with the repower, get a tyre sponser!!! :thumbs:

Rob

purplepower
05-05-2006, 03:29
*cough*

Yes he does (now) ;)

Thanks to you mate :thumbs:

stuee69
05-05-2006, 07:44
Rob at RIPS is the friendly and knowledgable gent who built the RB30/26DETT for me over in NZ.

We can all speculate or say "I read somewhere that....", but if you need a definitive answer to anything RB, It's fair to say Rob is your man!

CHEERS ROB, MATE!

Matt_S
05-05-2006, 07:46
Rob at RIPS is the friendly and knowledgable gent who built the RB30/26DETT for me over in NZ.

We can all speculate or say "I read somewhere that....", but if you need a definitive answer to anything RB, It's fair to say Rob is your man!

CHEERS ROB, MATE!


They must be pretty good - there's quite a few of them over/on there way over for the liner boys. You didnt fancy RB34 then mate? ;)

stuee69
05-05-2006, 07:50
You didnt fancy RB34 then mate? ;)

Yeah when I blow this one up, I will overbore it a few inches and take it up to 3.4!!!

Matt_S
05-05-2006, 07:52
Youre crazy dude!!! :D:D:D

andypat
05-05-2006, 16:04
Matt: you shouldn,t be saying things like that to him he,s just mad enough to try it:nod:

RIPS NZ
08-05-2006, 22:48
We'd be interested in doing some custom 3.4-3.9's if you guys are. :-)

RIPS NZ
09-05-2006, 09:52
Any "big cube" RB's we do won't be built for outright hp bragging rights, just 600-800hp with huge tyre shreading torque. The turbo/turbo's selection will be similar to the same powered RB30's we do.

stuee69
11-05-2006, 08:12
Here you can see the difference between the skyline diff flange and the S13 (on the right) Much better!

Also, with the bonnet clearance problems, Even though I lowered the subframe 25mm and lost an extra 20mm or so with the engine mounts, I had to grind down the timing belt cover. Only I took too much off! And put a couple of holes in it OOps

stuee69
11-05-2006, 08:15
And the difference between the front end of the prop where it fits into the gearbox- Skyline prop on the bottom

stuee69
11-05-2006, 08:19
The bits that had to come off the bonnet bracing, to clear the "TWIN TURBO" pipe and the timing belt cover.

And where I had to dent in to clear the rear breather....

stuee69
11-05-2006, 08:31
The two looms laid out, S13 on the top. Notice the difference between the two particularly on the right hand side, the Skyline loom has loads more connectors inside the car (right of the big grommets)

stuee69
11-05-2006, 08:37
The RB25 box sits about 40 mm from where the CA one so the gearbox crossmember had to be modified

stuee69
11-05-2006, 08:39
And another pic from the other side

Topper
11-05-2006, 08:57
Looks good mate :nod:

Nice holes in the cover too :rolleyes: :smash:

Jeremy 200
11-05-2006, 09:09
Keep up the good work stu....want to see it running when i come round next week!:wack: :wack:;)

stuee69
11-05-2006, 19:57
Phil LS is gonna help out with the loom conversion on Saturday.
The last few parts are on an aeroplane from New Zealand so it could be running very soon!!!
Will keep you updated. Watch this space..........

S13 Drifting diff for sale- Check out the For Sale section

CBomb
11-05-2006, 20:05
Any chance I can pop over after work next week mate?

I'd love to see it in the flesh:nod:

Phil LS
11-05-2006, 20:05
That very helpful gentleman also known as Phil LS is gonna help out with the loom conversion on Saturday.


he sounds like a cock :confused:


:wack:

purplepower
12-05-2006, 08:13
he sounds like a cock :confused:


:wack:

You should start charging for info mate - you'd make a fortune :wack: :D

LiGhTnInG
12-05-2006, 08:28
An FJ20 S12 Silvia style bonnet vent would work (look shite though), but I'd be lowering the CoG if at all possible.


pulsar bonnet...... :whip: :whip:

Jezz_S13
12-05-2006, 09:17
pulsar bonnet...... :whip: :whip:

Nah, they are too common on Saxos and Corsas these days.

stuee69
14-05-2006, 08:57
Any chance I can pop over after work next week mate?

I'd love to see it in the flesh:nod:


PM'd Ya, see you later in the week:thumbs:

ekjim
14-05-2006, 09:39
excellent project!..somehow i have missed this up until now....top work!

jim

andypat
14-05-2006, 10:26
stuee has twin t28,s running his rb30 and a few upgraded toy,s as well so when it,s upand running properly I would think that 600+ horses wont be that hard to do

CBomb
14-05-2006, 11:09
PM'd Ya, see you later in the week:thumbs:

Cheers mate,

Looking forward to it:thumbs:

RIPS NZ
15-05-2006, 21:05
Stu's motor is of a very simila spec to the one in my R32 GTR, it makes 1.5bar boost by 3500rpm and pulls hard to 7500 (current rev limit), runs 11.0 in full street trim and the only time we used NOS at the strip we were on for a very low 10 second pass the gearbox blew 3rd so now it stays on the street. Stu is going to have his hands full for sure. If he can get traction it will be a 9 second car easily.

stuee69
16-05-2006, 07:33
Stu is going to have his hands full for sure. If he can get traction it will be a 9 second car easily.




yikes!!!!!!

oh feck

Gulp

stuee69
16-05-2006, 08:14
So the Skyline GTR rear subframe has different shock absorber mounts to the S13.
Rather than buying the right part, I decided as usual to go the unique route and modded the S13 coilovers to suit as you can see...

stuee69
16-05-2006, 08:16
A pic of the hicas lock bar needed to do away with the rear steering rack

stuee69
16-05-2006, 08:21
Here are the front subframe spacers I made. On the top are 15mm thick ones which weren't enough to help me clear the bonnet.
So I made up some from 25mm thick ally.
Also ground the timing belt cover down.
And cut bits off the bonnet.

Incidentally, the 15mm spacers are for sale for £20

stuee69
16-05-2006, 08:28
The bonnet has been in my lounge for 4 months. So happy it's back on the car, although now I can't watch snooker in the reflection in the paint!

The skyline gearstick on the left is slightly longer and has a wider plastic bush on the end so the S13 (right) does not work in the RB25 box.

RohanC
16-05-2006, 09:22
I soooo want to see this! I think you should flat bed it down to Japfest so we can have a look :wack:

Oh and i have to say... nearly every post by SR20 on this thread has been cringe worthy :indiff:

Tom_w
16-05-2006, 09:29
Thers a lot more to 1/4 mile times than power so who knows what time it could do.....
In the states there are supras running 8's with 800bhp.
I know of two supras with 1000 that can do 9-10's but the one doing 8's has a th400 box and other superoir running gear and so is faster up the stip with much less power.
These cars also weigh a lot less than a supra of skyline, so have another advantage.

mr power you seem to have a lot of knowledge, what car do you drive and where is your workshop? I have only met a few people with as much knowledge as you, all of them seem to like typing and are quite good at it.
Do you know more about typing than cars????

Stevecarter200
16-05-2006, 09:30
SR20-Power, you said that RIPS know what they are talking about and are very well respected so how come youre now disagreeing with him?


Stu's motor is of a very simila spec to the one in my R32 GTR, it makes 1.5bar boost by 3500rpm and pulls hard to 7500 (current rev limit), runs 11.0 in full street trim and the only time we used NOS at the strip we were on for a very low 10 second pass the gearbox blew 3rd so now it stays on the street. Stu is going to have his hands full for sure. If he can get traction it will be a 9 second car easily.

Make your mind up son, as you appear to be talking out of your arse.

Oh, and try reading the bloody thread, the gearbox and bonnet clearance issues have already been covered you dimwit.:rolleyes:

arry
16-05-2006, 09:41
let's try not to clutter Stuey's excellent project thread up with this shit, eh? :)

andypat
16-05-2006, 13:16
Hi phil if I know stuee he is probably out there now trying to sort it out:nod:

RIPS NZ
16-05-2006, 22:57
Gee, sorry to start something here guys, definatly not trying to give false info, maybe I should clarify a few things.
Our 10.2 was done on pump gas, a road legal, DOT tyre with a tread width of 8.0 inches, they do perform similar to a slick and in my opinion the car handles far better with 4 soft tyres than 4 low sidewall road tyres. The car runs much straighter and is more predictable. When you off throttle over the finish line it is not as stable as normal road tyres but you soon get use pulsing the brake to match the car bouncing. (we actually turn the LF rim clockwise and the RF rim anticlockwise in the tyres thats how hard it grips after the finish line.)
The engine has 100% stock used unmodified N/A internals, no cams or springs, stock second hand pistons and rods, stock crank, stock RB20det exhaust manifold, stock head gasket, everything stock, its now 4 years old, has won 2 NZ championships and several big name meetings, its still in the same street car now going strong, untouched. We ran a stock gearbox, axles and diffs, stock old suspension.
The car weighed ALOT more than 1280kg with driver.
Getting back to Stu's car........
If it weighs 1200kg, on an ideal run he only needs 475whp to do a 9.99.
His engine has been built to make 5-600hp as a reliable street engine. He can run NOS and get the power to 550-600whp which can give a 9.4 on a perfect pass. Maybe I should have said, well set up on suitable tyres, with traction and a good driver the car could do a 9 second pass (as long as he doesn't have a big curry first).
If it was here, I would add NOS to his engine, would run good tyres and am confident 'with traction it could do a 9 second pass'
If he goes to the strip on normal wide road tyres, hard road suspension and 600hp he couldn't do a 9, or a 10 and would have to drive well to do an 11.
With a well set up car with traction it is 'possible' to do a 9 but I did forget to say he can run NOS on his enigne if he wants to help him get there.
We are building a street S13 with a very similar set up to Stu's and if it doesn't run well into the 9's I'll be pissed. Sorry about any confusion or trouble my previous post may have caused......Rob

Stevecarter200
16-05-2006, 23:23
Gee, sorry to start something here guys, definatly not trying to give false info, maybe I should clarify a few things.......... Sorry about any confusion or trouble my previous post may have caused......Rob

Any blame is not directed at you mate, nice to have people that know what they are talking about on here.:)

nene
16-05-2006, 23:34
Any blame is not directed at you mate, nice to have people that know what they are talking about on here.:)
I just think it's evil to have people tempting us with things we can't afford :cry:

's'not fair :(

I'll go back to lurking, watching the progress, and dreaming now :D

liquidsmoke
17-05-2006, 03:11
Rotorua Imports is a well respected place in NZ. I was there for a couple of weeks and the local car nuts mentioned them a couple of times... That if you can stomach the constant eggy smell of sulphur as it pisses out of just about everywhere in the town all day long, as its the thinnest earths crust in the world...

And I presume the RB30 conversion is popular in Oz/NZ as there are any number of old knackered R31's kicking about to nick thier blocks. Whats more most of the skylines you see out here are RB25's - its rare to see a GTR - and so theres probably a lot of RB25 heads going about too.

PS: Danny are you thinking of the RB28 which i remember reading somewhere was a diesel?

stuee69
17-05-2006, 08:04
[QUOTE=MeLLoN Stu]
would it be possible for a mod to tidy up the last couple of pages please? so people reading the thread dont have to read this and the rest of the cack as it really is a monumental and fascinating project.

[QUOTE]

Stevecarter200
17-05-2006, 08:31
[mod hat on]OK, no more off topic posts on this thread please. :whip:[/mod hat off]

SR-Power please start another thread with this "proof" that you mentioned otherwise people will continue to think you know next to fcuk all. In fact, I'll start it for you.:) http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?p=2395578#post2395578

Jezz_S13
17-05-2006, 08:38
Right, I've wasted 5 mins deleting 59 posts from this thread, if you post on this thread again SR20-tosser, I will ban you.

OK?

mattkeeber
17-05-2006, 09:21
Absolutly stunning work guys! Cant wait to see and HEAR it for the first time on the road.

Stuee :notworthy:

andyf
17-05-2006, 10:46
Stuee it's looking great dude :D Hope you get a winner of a time once it's together - we can roll out the MS Paint crown-on-yer-head pic again :D

stuee69
19-05-2006, 07:20
THANX for all your positive comments guys!!

Here is the hybrid mish mash exhaust I am gonna use till I get round to making a DOUBLE SIDE PIPE(!)

The downpipe is Skyline GTR and the cat-back is N1 S13.

The chances are they will not meet up in the middle but I will have to deal with that when I get round to it.

I have the turboS BOTH on, plumbed in, and fitted the front pipe late last night, and it hits the floor of the car roughly under where the passengers knees would be.

HAMMER TIME!!!!.

stuee69
19-05-2006, 07:23
Thanks to JEZ for this one!:)

stuee69
19-05-2006, 07:35
A couple of before and after pics.

Spot the difference?

SM
19-05-2006, 07:49
A couple of before and after pics.
Spot the difference?
Have you cleaned the engine bay, theres nothing else I can spot :wack:

stuee69
19-05-2006, 07:50
The strut brace wouldn't fit so I bent the straight end and straightened the bent end!!

Everything I try to fit fouls on somrthing!

None of this has been simple, but the anticipation is making it worthwhile

stuee69
19-05-2006, 07:54
The last pic for today, I gotta go and hammer some stuff.

The downpipe, as I said touches the floor, but it does clear the gearbox.

BY about 2mm, phew!

TAS
19-05-2006, 09:04
Are you not worried about gearbox oil temperature issues? Or would this not matter? :Plug:

Excellent project mate - really looking forward to seeing it in the flesh at some point :thumbs:

RIPS NZ
24-05-2006, 02:38
Heat wrap the pipe if you can't get it further away, that'll help.

Turu
24-05-2006, 04:54
OMFG!!! This is really impressive!! What a great car are you doing... ;)

docwra
24-05-2006, 12:21
Stuee it's looking great dude :D Hope you get a winner of a time once it's together - we can roll out the MS Paint crown-on-yer-head pic again :D

Bejesus that was a while ago.

I think this is the build I have been anticipating most ever - cant wait to see it in action :nod: :thumbs:

stuee69
25-05-2006, 14:37
BIG thanks to Phil LS, for putting me on the right track with the loom conversion.
I did the whole conversion on my own in one day. Don't ask how it's done it's too complicated to explain!
More piccies to follow at the weekend, I been too busy to post em up!

If anyone can help, I need to track down a few parts::Plug:


-A Skyline GTS-t R33 clutch release bearing CARRIER,
-Skyline R32GTR ballast resistor for the injectors,
-GTR breather pipe that connects the rear of the 2 cam covers,
-the rubber bend (84mm) at the front of the "twin turbo" pipe(GTR),
-the rubber bend at the front of the inlet plenum (GTR)
- A KOYO radiator (S13)

:thumbs:

DR1FT3R
26-05-2006, 12:05
absolutly frickin awsome :nod: have you sorted the bonnet clearence issues??

andypat
26-05-2006, 17:18
absolutly frickin awsome :nod: have you sorted the bonnet clearence issues??

He did with a bit of cutting here and a bit of hammer there it all came together

stuee69
30-05-2006, 20:00
Here's a better pic of the 'zorst to gearbox clearance!

SM
30-05-2006, 20:03
thats not a clearance :(

stuee69
30-05-2006, 20:06
As I said earlier, the lower fitting of the rear suspension legs is different to the gtr skyline so instead of buying the right ones, I sorted the originals out. This is how they finished up...

stuee69
30-05-2006, 20:08
The loom conversion is done now I think. Looks a bit scrappy, butit will get tidied up whenever!

stuee69
30-05-2006, 20:14
I've pretty much run out of parts to fit now till The other stuff arrives, so I got polishing.

Eventually the whole engine will look this good

stuee69
30-05-2006, 20:22
Got the exhaust mostly done now, only there is- as expected- a gap I will have to sort out between the GTR downpipes and the S13 N1 system.
Despite getting Medieval with the passenger floor the flange is still very close to the floor

stuee69
30-05-2006, 20:30
Been playing with the gearstick as well. Before it was a long way forward in the hole in the central console.

So I carried out a few mods and it's bloody great now!
Much shorter, further back, laid back, angled towards the driver more, and much more precise gear selection.


If anyone can help, I need to track down a few parts:


-A Skyline GTS-t R33 clutch release bearing CARRIER,
-Skyline R32GTR ballast resistor for the injectors,
-GTR breather pipe that connects the rear of the 2 cam covers,
-the rubber bend (84mm) at the front of the "twin turbo" pipe(GTR),
-the rubber bend at the front of the inlet plenum (GTR)
- A KOYO radiator (S13)

CBomb
30-05-2006, 21:02
Bloody hell Stu, you've been busy:thumbs:

james anderson
30-05-2006, 21:05
:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy good work mate :thumbs:

pdh 14a
30-05-2006, 21:36
Excellent work!i take my hat off to you :clap: :thumbs:

Aitch
30-05-2006, 21:50
I haven't got a hat, but if I did have one I'd also take it off to you :nod:

Ken
30-05-2006, 22:10
Awesome project:notworthy

Phil LS
30-05-2006, 22:57
Looks :cool: stu, glad u got the hang of that loom in the end, now try and explain how to do it :D

stuee69
02-06-2006, 14:05
Looks :cool: stu, glad u got the hang of that loom in the end, now try and explain how to do it :D


In short........ NOPE!;)




Rebuilt the rear brakes today. the originals look so small now the gtr ones are on. Incidentally if you are planning a brake upgrade like this, I used a 300zx TT rebuild kit, the company didn't list one for the Skyline but did have one for the 300.

RohanC
02-06-2006, 21:45
Cant wait to see this running :)

Out of interest... how did you pop the pistons out of the callipers?

CBomb
03-06-2006, 06:41
I popped round to see Stu on Thursday and have a bit of on ogle at the work in progress, it looks almost finsihed apart froma few connections here and there.

I'm amazed at how much work has been done in such a short space of time:eek:

Hat's off to you Stu:thumbs: :notworthy it'll be worth every minute in the end:D

stuee69
13-06-2006, 09:10
Cant wait to see this running :)

Out of interest... how did you pop the pistons out of the callipers?

I used an airline and some stilsons. The pistons were so badly siezed I had to twist them round and round to free them off then put the air-line into the brake pipe hole to push them out. Obviously only one popped out so I re- fitted it and held it in place with a clamp then popped the 2nd one out. It's quite difficult without a compressor and air-line!




:ingerland

Pete C
13-06-2006, 09:32
Rohan - I used a hammer and a chisel on my 4-pots :wack:

A vice and a pair of mole grips is also useful :smash:

And some new pistons...

Matt_S
13-06-2006, 09:35
Are you not worried about gearbox oil temperature issues? Or would this not matter? :Plug:

Excellent project mate - really looking forward to seeing it in the flesh at some point :thumbs:


The gearbox doesnt get any hotter on an RB S13 than a CA or SR equipped S13.

It looks like its coming along nicely Stu :thumbs:

purplepower
13-06-2006, 09:51
Sweet - I had missed these updates somehow?!

Looking good Stu - Got some new toy's through for mine this morning too :cool:

Topper
13-06-2006, 10:31
Just catching up too, looks good :thumbs:

Chris_Lacey
13-06-2006, 11:28
Amazing project :)

The only way to become the next big boy on the block will be Twin SR20's....

Totally impressed :D Never thought it'd fit in a million years.

SpencerS14
13-06-2006, 12:15
thats impressive!!!

RohanC
13-06-2006, 13:10
I used an airline and some stilsons. The pistons were so badly siezed I had to twist them round and round to free them off then put the air-line into the brake pipe hole to push them out. Obviously only one popped out so I re- fitted it and held it in place with a clamp then popped the 2nd one out. It's quite difficult without a compressor and air-line!




:ingerland

Lol, cheers.

I think ill avoid Petes method if it means new pistons! I may try getting the local garage to do that. Seemed happy enough to push out my wheel bearing!

RIPS NZ
14-06-2006, 03:48
Looking good Stu!!! :thumbs: not long now, take it easy and don't nail it till you have plenty of clear road ahead of you!! :D

scorchio69r
14-06-2006, 05:06
very impressed with this conversion, kind of though of rb30 when i had my r32 gtr, but that engine in a nice light s13......that thing will go like shit off a shiny shovel and i bet it constantly tries to keep head butting the horizon:nod:

Matt_S
15-06-2006, 23:50
Some work by Rips I believe ;)

Cribbed from a thread on Driftworks :)

650bhp on std internals!!!


Check this crazy mofo out :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/superclarkey/REVarticleR334door.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/superclarkey/REVarticleR334door02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/superclarkey/REVarticleR334door03.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/superclarkey/REVarticleR334door04.jpg

james anderson
15-06-2006, 23:51
that black skyline is :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

Pete C
15-06-2006, 23:52
I think ill avoid Petes method if it means new pistons!

Mate, if they're that siezed that you have to resort to my method then they'll need replacing anyway :smash:

stumitch
15-06-2006, 23:59
that black skyline is :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
Ditto mate

Pete C
16-06-2006, 07:42
that black skyline has got too many doors

:nod:

Error404
16-06-2006, 08:52
I estimate the sump wipp be 80mm from the floor.:eek:


why not run a dry sump and then you might not need to have a silly bonnet :confused:

LiGhTnInG
16-06-2006, 09:28
Here's a better pic of the 'zorst to gearbox clearance!


I'm no gearbox expert, but will having it so close possibly cause issues? Maybe by cooking the oil in the gearbox?

RohanC
16-06-2006, 10:13
Mate, if they're that siezed that you have to resort to my method then they'll need replacing anyway :smash:

So its a case of finding which ones are seized, then buying new pistons....

Tempted to just buy a new pair of callipers from Brakeparts!

Its been mentioned a couple of times that the gearbox/zorst wont be a issue.

stuee69
16-06-2006, 10:33
I guess RIPS know what they are doing(!) by using the sump that they make.

And I have sorted out the bonnet clearance problems so it shuts now with no holes cut in it or power bulges.


I will wrap the downpipeS with insulating bandage and hope for the best. The zorst doesn't quite touch the box, it (like almost everything else on the car now), has about 2mm clearance!


The intercooler piping is all done now AND I JUST NEED A BALLAST RESISTOR TO HAVE IT UP AND RUNNING. someone somewhere must have one going spare.

More pics to follow at the weekend.....:ingerland

Error404
16-06-2006, 10:34
coooool

TVR Rob
16-06-2006, 12:56
Great work mate! Can't wait to see/hear it in the metal.

Chris B
17-06-2006, 11:53
AND I JUST NEED A BALLAST RESISTOR TO HAVE IT UP AND RUNNING. someone somewhere must have one going spare.

Only just seen this thread, even better than I imagined since I heard about this at SRR :notworthy

Can't wait to see torque figures/graphs :D
What compression ratio will it be running?

Might sound obvious but have you tried the breaking section of the GTR boards?

stuee69
18-06-2006, 08:09
Yeah, tried a couple of times with no luck.:(

http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/upload/showthread.php?t=56657

http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/upload/showthread.php?t=55723

John Bennett
18-06-2006, 08:27
If you're desperate, could you not splice in a pair of S13 dropping resistor packs? :) - use 6 of the 8 available. (Assuming the RB26 and CA18 injectors are the same impedance??)

stuee69
18-06-2006, 08:39
HMMMM.
Yeah quite possibly. Interesting idea. I was saying only yesterday, I could maybe get some resistors from Maplin or RS and make up my own pack.

I have one CA Ballast resistor set already. Will have to check wot resistance the GTR ballast is.

Thanks for that, You got me thinking now!

purplepower
18-06-2006, 13:46
HMMMM.
Yeah quite possibly. Interesting idea. I was saying only yesterday, I could maybe get some resistors from Maplin or RS and make up my own pack.

I have one CA Ballast resistor set already. Will have to check wot resistance the GTR ballast is.

Thanks for that, You got me thinking now!

Can you let me know the outcome on this Stu, I may have the same problem myself :smash: :thumbs:

Pete C
18-06-2006, 15:17
Surely the resistor packs from the CA18 and the RB26 are the same, otherwise, how would you be able to fit RB26 injectors to a CA18 without changing it? :)

MeLLoN Stu
18-06-2006, 15:38
but the CA only has 4, and the RB has 6

Pete C
18-06-2006, 16:42
but the CA only has 4, and the RB has 6

Well obviously, John Beeennetettttt had pointed that out already so I didn't think it needed mentioning again :)

What he said was to use all 4 resistors on one pack, and two from another... or three on each I guess.

RIPS NZ
20-06-2006, 03:35
I guess RIPS know what they are doing(!) by using the sump that they make.

We don't normally lower the engines at all so the bottom of the sump is designed to be flush with the x-member.
RB30 into S13's are not very common (I know of just 3 in the world, Stu's, mine and another in NZ) but I think we will start doing engine/gearbox mount and special sump kits for this conversion if there is a demand.

stuee69
20-06-2006, 13:49
RB30 into S13's are not very common (I know of just 3 in the world, Stu's, mine and another in NZ) .

cool!


The sump is still level with the bottom of the crossmember:cool:

I GOT IT RUNNING THIS MORNING.

I found a couple of 5 ohm resistors kicking around and added them to the CA (6.3 ohm) ballast resistor just to see if they would work.
Well, when it fired up I nearly crapped myself! 2 turbos with no downpipes in a small garage was a bit (LOT) louder than I expected!:eek:


Only prob is that it then stalled almost straight away. It fires up every time but then immediately stalls when I let go of the key. Must be something simple I've missed out in the loom conversion.:confused:

purplepower
20-06-2006, 14:03
cool!


The sump is still level with the bottom of the crossmember:cool:

I GOT IT RUNNING THIS MORNING.

I found a couple of 5 ohm resistors kicking around and added them to the CA (6.3 ohm) ballast resistor just to see if they would work.
Well, when it fired up I nearly crapped myself! 2 turbos with no downpipes in a small garage was a bit (LOT) louder than I expected!:eek:


Only prob is that it then stalled almost straight away. It fires up every time but then immediately stalls when I let go of the key. Must be something simple I've missed out in the loom conversion.:confused:

WAHEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

I'm envious mate :D

Time for some problem solving though, but well done :thumbs:

CBomb
20-06-2006, 16:57
Nice one Stu:thumbs:

Get the multimeter out and have a dig around in there:nod: :D

Pete C
20-06-2006, 18:38
I found a couple of 5 ohm resistors kicking around and added them to the CA (6.3 ohm) ballast resistor just to see if they would work.

Won't you need resistors of exactly the same resistance for it to work properly? :)

stuee69
20-06-2006, 19:45
Won't you need resistors of exactly the same resistance for it to work properly? :)

Oh YES indeed. Just done this to try it out. Still stalling every time when I let go of the key

stuee69
20-06-2006, 19:51
Still waiting for parts so more polishing...

stuee69
20-06-2006, 19:54
more polishing...

stuee69
20-06-2006, 19:56
and more...............

stuee69
20-06-2006, 19:59
bodywork is back together as well

arry
20-06-2006, 20:00
WOW - looks amazing Stuey, keep it up fella :thumbs:

stuee69
20-06-2006, 20:03
intercooler hiding in there somewhere

stuee69
20-06-2006, 20:07
swirlpot to go in soon

stuee69
20-06-2006, 20:10
hmmmmm, wots this then?

Buffy
20-06-2006, 20:14
exhaust.

Looks really good Stu :thumbs:

stuee69
20-06-2006, 20:20
3 inch / 76mm intercooler piping

stuee69
20-06-2006, 20:27
more i.c. piping

stuee69
20-06-2006, 20:29
i.c. cold pipe and oil cooler

TVR Rob
20-06-2006, 20:34
The guys from Evo building the Westfield XI had the same sort of problem. It ended up being something like the fuel pump (or distributer, can't remember which) wasn't wired to the ignition circuit but they'd wired it to the starter circuit. They only got fuel/sparks when they twisted the key to the Start position :wack:

stuee69
20-06-2006, 21:03
The guys from Evo building the Westfield XI had the same sort of problem. It ended up being something like the fuel pump (or distributer, can't remember which) wasn't wired to the ignition circuit but they'd wired it to the starter circuit. They only got fuel/sparks when they twisted the key to the Start position :wack:
yeah that's the same problem, I've definitely got the sparks working so it's something to do with the fuel side. The +12v is there for the injector resistor but something is missing. Hmmmmm:confused:

Matt_S
20-06-2006, 21:15
Stuee, its not anythign to do with the 2 stage pump the GTR runs is it???

stuee69
20-06-2006, 21:24
the fuel pump is running as it should I think. It primes, pumps when cranking, and pumps then stops when the engine stalls. But the engine stalls first then you hear the pump stop a second later.:confused:

Jeremy 200
20-06-2006, 23:02
looking good mate. Will have to pop over to hear it soon:)

John Bennett
20-06-2006, 23:13
Does the fuel pump prime when you turn the key to the 2nd stage (IGN)? This would suggest the ECU is wired up corectly for it's power lines, but perhaps some of the devices in the harness that have their own power lines are getting it from the wrong wire (the start??). Where did you tap into the start signal signal anyway - the only way the CA18 ECU harness sees it it through the chunky interior connector by the ECU? If you turn it over with a bar, or rotate the CAS, with the ignition on, does it spark and inject fuel?

You haven't attached the wire that goes to pin 45 of the ECU and the AAC to the start wire, instead of IGN have you? - does the AAC valve connector get 12V on one of its pins when the ignition is on? :)

Are you using pin 18 of the RB26 ECU to control the original S13 fuel pump relay ? (looks like the way to do it, going off the manual - the speed control unit isn't needed)

stuee69
21-06-2006, 12:09
THANX John for the pointers. I will re-check and let u know what I find.

And Jez- I see your avatar pic was taken in my driveway!

stuee69
21-06-2006, 17:53
Went through absolutely everything today (AGAIN), followed all of John's ideas. And everything was correct. All the connections were right, the fuel pump was working correctly, I had sparks, injectors were clicking, timing belt was ok, compression ok etc etc etc etc:confused:


Then out of nowhere I checked the fuel pressure by squeezing the pipes, and they were soft.



So I tweaked up the pressure regulator
















And.......

















:D




















IT LIVES!!!!!!!!! woo hooo:D

Runs a bit rough but theres a bit of fine tuning to do

purplepower
21-06-2006, 18:07
:cry: - I'm soooooooooooooooooooo jealous!!! :notworthy:

madcowman
21-06-2006, 18:25
Is that a standard S13 Rad I can see there ? will it cope ?

Looking amazing btw !!

CBomb
21-06-2006, 19:11
Nice one Stu, it's always the last thing you look for:nod: :p

alanjuggler
21-06-2006, 19:12
massive :thumbs:

you must be over the moon now it's fired up :)

fantastic project :)

Stu
21-06-2006, 20:22
:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Amazing to see how this has moved on. I forgot about this thread and have just read the whole lot from start to finish. Simply awesome!! :notworthy

james anderson
21-06-2006, 20:24
well done mate :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Parker
21-06-2006, 20:33
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Top stuff. Now get it running properly :D

RohanC
21-06-2006, 20:43
Wayhay, its running!! Superb Stu, still cant wait to see it!

Jeremy 200
21-06-2006, 21:09
THANX John for the pointers. I will re-check and let u know what I find.

And Jez- I see your avatar pic was taken in my driveway!

:nod: Need to drop it off again soon for you to fit my new mani and turbo....I know how much you love working on my car:wack: ;) :) :thumbs:

When you gonna be starting the mapping? Gonna take it to the SRR or get Steve to map it on the road!?

Tricky-Ricky
21-06-2006, 21:16
Thats a real nice piece of work Stuee:thumbs: well done mate.

Yakko
21-06-2006, 22:06
:thumbs:

:notworthy: :)

There are so many great projects going on at the moment!

Dave_S
22-06-2006, 06:33
WOW, thats excellent news, must have been a rush when it first fired up :notworthy :D :D

Dave

andypat
22-06-2006, 12:48
cheeky sod phoned me up and said have a listen to this and fired the car up jealous:no: isn,t a word I would use normally envious oooohhh!:nod: :nod: yes most definately:clap: :clap: :notworthy :notworthy well done stuee I know how much you have waited for this moment

Rudi
22-06-2006, 22:14
The rb30 that OS giken makes is good for somewhere around 1100bhp, after that, the torque will lift the head bolts. Unlike the Toyota 2JZ for example, the rb26/rb30 block are not suited to allow for a redill to bigger studs (for the 2JZ 13mm holes can be tapped) up from the 12mm std, as the water jacket/cylinder will burst. That's why the 2JZ is seen in many cars hitting extremely high hp without revving high. I also heard Toyota uses a coarser thread, creating more clamping force. The rb26 does need to rev high, there's alot of secrecy around the rb26 head bolts and how to make them hold the power. HKS appears to be the only one who knows, which is why they made such an incredible fast 7-second rb27 years ago.

The rb30 found in the Australian Commodore's etc is not very strong. It is a engine ment for large vehichles needing enough torque, which also explains the ohc head. The rb26 head does fit normally upon it. At high rpm first the crank will give up. After that the block will burst. The Nissan Hitachi block is not a strong as the Yamaha 2JZ, even though they share bore and (1mm of) stroke too.

If you want the torque, the rb30 is a good choice should you do not request much more power then like ~500bhp (also highly depending on engine build up and parts used) for the Hitachi rb30 or like ~1100bhp from the OS giken block:) .





Well what the **** nice project keep it up:thumbs: :)

Ps; Did I miss anything or is it the OS block or the Hitachi you're using. I was a bit confused by the rb30 print on the cam pulley cover:wack:

andypat
22-06-2006, 22:44
me think,s you havent read all of this thread the block is rb30 and the head is rb26 and the guy who built this engine just happens to drag one of these babes in n.zealand and is getting very good times

Rudi
23-06-2006, 08:22
I did read all of the thread and asking wether this is the os giken rb30 or the rb30 found in the aussie cars. See, I thought only OS made rb30 cam pulley covers.

stuee69
23-06-2006, 09:17
When you gonna be starting the mapping? Gonna take it to the SRR or get Steve to map it on the road!?

Once I get the exhaust joined up and the clutch release bearing carrier arrives, it's ready to go!
So I hope Steve Sadler is available some time to go for a spin (bet he is!)

Then a trip to SRR once it's bedded in a bit.

Rob at RIPS recommends a 7200 rpm rev limit when it's fully run in:eek: :D :wack: NUTTER.
I think I will stay well clear of 7000 revs for a good while yet:ghey:


Rudi, It's the Australian Commodore engine made by Nissan for Holden. It still has all the Nissan stamps and logo's on the casting. It's simply an RB26 Godzilla block but an extra 35mm taller.

Jules200
23-06-2006, 10:31
Well done stu:thumbs: Im well pleased for you mate:nod:
You've done an amazing turn around since the engine arrived,hats off to you:thumbs: .Jez has been keeping me up to date with the progress:D :D .Lets hope the running in goes smoothly and quickly then you can yuse all those revvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvss:whip: .
Hope to catch up soon sometime:thumbs: ...jules

SteveSadler
23-06-2006, 18:18
Project looks superb mate, just managed to read through the thread.

Let me know when its all complete and running and ill pop round with all my gear

Big Respect for getting it all in and done so quickly.

Stu
23-06-2006, 18:44
RB30 200s really aren't that quick by the looks of things. :wack:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1256444678346140451&q=rb30

:whip:

RIPS NZ
25-06-2006, 21:02
RB30 200s really aren't that quick by the looks of things. :wack:




That wrx sure gets away well doesn't but if you check the time of the 200sx its still a 10 and also not all RB30's are created equal ;)