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now i know i know its been done b4 but i just wanna put a general figure in my head b4 i goto dastek to get the car rr'ed
mods are:
Full SS mongoose Exhaust
Decats
Apex induction system
Forge Twin Piston dv
Denso Ik27 plugs
Autometer Boost Gauge and pod
Running 16psi (spikes at 17 but settles to 14...)#
any ideas?
Papa Lazarou
18-10-2004, 23:28
About 250 to 260-something hp I'd say.
wa wa waaaaaaa.... i didnt mean to the poin just ball park ffs theres always a wise ass...
Papa Lazarou
18-10-2004, 23:35
I would say 220-290 depending on which rolling road you go to but would that be too controversial :wack:
:indiff:
well another reason im asking is because of my recent rumble with a lightend 172 (see road kill section)
Don't forget the altitude and ambient temperature, Papa ;)
Papa Lazarou
18-10-2004, 23:54
Indeed.
King - have you done a timed 1/4 mile?
na unfortuantly not yet no.
Papa Lazarou
19-10-2004, 00:55
Really that will give you a better idea of you and your cars performance than any blat from the lights or anything like that. If your getting a crap start, it'll show up in your times for example.
Our trip to thor and the dynapak yealded some pretty reasonable results...
http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=94724&page=7&pp=20
Some peoples graphs have disapeared, but SM's would be quite similar to yours.
King_J have you had the fueling checked, I recon at a guess you will be underfueling at 16psi ;)
Running a similar spec on a RR I got 302Bhp... I personally wouldn't run 16psi day to day though without a FMIC and bigger injectors.
well is it 16psi this is what i dont know spikes at 17 then settles to 14...
kirkster
19-10-2004, 09:06
well is it 16psi this is what i dont know spikes at 17 then settles to 14...
Probably because your fuel pressure is dropping off mate.... hence Vez's comment about underfuelling at 16psi.......
well is it 16psi this is what i dont know spikes at 17 then settles to 14...You're using a bren's device right? I don't get that much variation in boost. I may get the odd spike to 16psi if I lift off and boot it straight away, but more or less it stays rock solid at 15psi.
no its a mbc not a bren device, same thing though, not a bleed valve.
Any1 want to hazard a guess at mine.
see here for spec http://www.sxoc.com/site/rides/ride.php?Member_ID=1873
I know need a decent zorst will get one after xmas.
King_J sorry for hijacking this, also get a WALBRO now really worth it. :thumbs:
hehehe aye ok m8, im getting one asap and a fmic just to be safe, just had this boost valve lying about so fitted it to have some fun now i love it too much and have kept it on hahaha./
just think ive hurt the turbo... as it was wet last night and i pulled off from a road (empty and wide) and the car drifted so i tryed keeping it going and naglected the revs as the car started bouncing off the limmiter too manytimes for my liking, and after that the car didnt feel as kick ass (then we went and had the 1/4s) so wasnt sure if id hurt it but ill go check today.
It will be about 250bhp if running correct...
:no: :no: :no: don't wreck it. they cost a fortune to repair.
see you at dastek, might have my secret mods done by then...... (secret to the forum that is :p not my insurance company :D )
jolly F is that to me the 250??? or king J
jolly F is that to me the 250??? or king J
Yours would be more like 210-220 i would think, you need to up the boost and get a full exhaust system. Then you should be around the 250bhp mark...
j - about 270bhp at Dastek.
r dastek optomistic?
Don't say things like that - your thread will end up in the bin lol ;)
Dastek has exceptionally good cooling and accurate rollers IMO :thumbs:
Cheers,
Brian.
I got 270@fly (15psi) with a lesser spec than yours(k&N Panel) Blackburn RR
244@hubs (16psi) with Apexi induction, with WMIC still a few months ago
Now with the FMIC, hopefully soon SAFC-II, I'm hoping for 250@hubs for the November RR day.
I got 270@fly (15psi) with a lesser spec than yours(k&N Panel) Blackburn RR
244@hubs (16psi) with Apexi induction, with WMIC still a few months ago
Now with the FMIC, hopefully soon SAFC-II, I'm hoping for 250@hubs for the November RR day.
Lesser spec than who?
I should go to blackburn RR, should make 400bhp at the hubs...
Thor or abbey are more accurate!!!
Lesser spec than who?
I should go to blackburn RR, should make 400bhp at the hubs...
Thor or abbey are more accurate!!!
Lesser Spec than King_J
Nothing wrong with that Blackburn RR ... gave to with 2BHP the same power as SCA on the same car, fits with my power gain @ Thor the other month (From Apexi Induction + another 1psi boost).
Gave expected results for Std S14a + induction and CTR + Induction on the same day :nod:
Calculated flywheel figures will always produce some disagreement :rolleyes: but its not like it gave me 450BHP.
You need an offroader to get on the blackburn rollers anyway ;)
And blackburn were good compaired to SCA, infact almost identicle.
Mosts cars should run 250bhp approx with those mods, unless you have a very healthy car i suppose. Shame all RR aren't calibrated to the same spec...
I suppose figures are only relevent between people if everyone uses the same rr or there proved to be all the same.
Does it really matter? Its only an indicator anyway as you say ;)
Course i don't care, as long as mine is better :D
Seriously though, alot of s14's seem to be breaking the rules of what power figures used to be. 250bhp is a good figure to get for those type of mods, think Dan got 304bhp with not much more. That was the sailsbury rr which a few people found suspect...
Its as long as its short, track times and 1/4 mile shows the way...
Shame all RR aren't calibrated to the same spec...
I suppose figures are only relevent between people if everyone uses the same rr or there proved to be all the same.
Yep, thats true :nod:
Talking of calibration ...
The Blackburn rollers are part of ELTEC/Blackburn centre of excellence, being a non-commercial rolling road, BOSCH have an agreement with the college that they use those roller to train their mechanics/installers/operators/calibration staff so they are probably one of the best maintained/calibrated BOSCH rollers in the country. :indiff:
I remember at a similar time to that result I had, Suffolk1 (??) had achieved 280BHP with similar Spec @ SCA (but had induction kit, not airbox mod + K&N panel) and people were saying that wasnt possible without an FMIC :indiff:
Anyone wanna dispute my 244@hubs from Thor, done the same day 17 other SXOC's ran .. Including Jez's excellent 419BHP and Richies 537@hubs (might have figures a little worng, but close)
This doesnt mean King_J will also get 270+ @ Dastek
track times and 1/4 mile shows the way
Why? They will show driver skill more than anything, I recon SM would stand a VERY good chance of kicking your ass round a track ;)
Why? They will show driver skill more than anything, I recon SM would stand a VERY good chance of kicking your ass round a track ;)
Why thank-you kind sir :notworthy
Also shows that the 50BHP @ hubs vez had more than me at santapod counted for about 0.05sec :indiff: before we even talk about tyre width :whip:
I'm pretty sure 70BHP is worth 0.1secs as is 50Kg (assuming a base of 1000Kg and 12.5Sec 1/4 mile startign point)
Its only because I have no confidence in the brakes, I managed to keep bren behind me, unlike some :p
Its only because I have no confidence in the brakes, I managed to keep bren behind me, unlike some :p
What have brakes got to do with 1/4 mile times :confused:
@Trax you have to remember i was running around 7/8psi with massive fear of a dodgey boost gauge, thats why Bren left me on the straights. I do believe I was the ONLY person not to be passed by Richie @ Silverstone (by about the length of hanger striaght.
Next year Vez :whip: your ass :whip: I dont need coilovers once i get some DJ01's
lol, well if your gonna run those, ill just get another set of R33 wheels and run slicks :p
Why? They will show driver skill more than anything, I recon SM would stand a VERY good chance of kicking your ass round a track ;)
Thats more the point, its not just about the car. I don't think SM would stand a very good chance atall. Up for the challenge. Especially since i changed standard shocks to Tein Flex last weekend :p
And my breaks work :nod:
Besides, i'm gunning for you next time we're out together :whip:
Thats more the point, its not just about the car. I don't think SM would stand a very good chance atall. :
Excellent .. see you at Elvington on the 13th of November :thumbs:
(see link in Sig)
I have driven away from people with more power, wider tyres and coilovers before ... its nothing new :nod:
I'm happy your so confident. The cars not on the road till january, but after that i will join you in a track day.
Your obviously a very good driver so i best get some practise in...
Silverstone was my first ever track experience, and I drove 'reasonably' - well enough to pass a good number of people, including some with similar/more power and coilovers. I certainly couldn't catch Kev (SM) that day, though. I would, however, back Jolly F over Kev - 301bhp @ hubs, wider tyres, 310mm brakes, and Tein coilovers.
Oulton Park (http://www.track-action.co.uk/evntfrmr.htm) showdown, anyone? :)
Your obviously a very good driver
Nah ... I just dont care about leaving the track with no tyres or brakes left :wack:
Oulton park :thumbs:
My trackday budget is used up until January I think :'( but I deffo want to do some (more) laps around Oulton, it was top last time I only did laps in a Audi TT + Audi single Seater(on the rev limiter for 90% of the time :ghey: )
TBH the power and torque is against me (and others around this power). Its harder to drive faster for obvious reasons but more fun in a way...
Coilovers to standard supension etc, thats a different story. But if i'm a cr@p driver and SM a good driver then its clear the way it will go. Nothing wrong with a bit of spirited competition anyway. We all have the same interest, sounds like hes done a few more trckdays then me = 1...
Look forward to it :)
TBH the power and torque is against me (and others around this power). Its harder to drive faster for obvious reasons but more fun in a way....
What bollocks .. more power make it harder to drive fast?
More lag might make it harder to be just on the ideal power round a corner but should more than make up for it on the striaghts, up to 450BHP should only be of benifit, I can imagine 700BHP is easier than 1000BHP though on a twisty track.
Nothing wrong with a bit of spirited competition anyway. We all have the same interest, sounds like hes done a few more trckdays then me = 1...
Exactly .. if a bit of forum banter gets more people doing more trackdays thats excellent. I'm actually surprised that with all the club members, in modified cars, that the number that do trackdays is so so low !!!! I think there is only Bren, Andre(doesnt post much) and JSF who do "lots" and the drifty people....
I've not done that many, Oulton park "taster", Castle Coombe/Japfest (again tatser really), Bruntingthorpe(2/3 of a day till tyres were shot), Trax @ Silverstone (again, just a taste) .... and Elvington coming up soon, hopefully manage the full day.
So you havent that much catching up to do.
What bollocks .. more power make it harder to drive fast?
More lag might make it harder to be just on the ideal power round a corner but should more than make up for it on the striaghts, up to 450BHP should only be of benifit, I can imagine 700BHP is easier than 1000BHP though on a twisty track.
You be suprised how 370lb/ft at the hubs makes a car handle on corners, straights are a different matter though :D
Depends on the circuit, makes interesting driving on the road :eek:
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