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Actual_Ben_Taylor
26-02-2002, 13:27
Bren, any further developments on the intercoolers for the S14? Very keen to hear prices and specifications...

Dave_S14
26-02-2002, 16:47
Me too,

Dave.

bren
26-02-2002, 18:11
The S13 version has been finished and should be down with Jez now. Hes going to try it and let me know how it fits and if it works well.

If I get a good report then Ill be on with an S14 version asap.

http://upload.turbosport.co.uk/gallery3/20022261825214046.JPG

JackaL
26-02-2002, 18:27
Originally posted by bren:
<STRONG>If I get a good report then Ill be on with an S14 version asap.
</STRONG>

If the S14 one is as good as that I'll be sorely tempted - but will prob need more fuel to go with it, via some sort of chip :(

Any rough idea of price yet?

bren
26-02-2002, 18:59
£315ish. If the price changes it will only go down, not up :)

Edited to say that the above price was probably a little hasty, and definately now that you lot have put the idea of a behind bumper stylee ic rather than in front of rad type ;) Mmmmmmmm, gonna be good, and still a big chunk less than £400. :D

[ 28-02-2002: Message edited by: bren ]

Dave_S14
26-02-2002, 19:36
Does that include all the pipe work aswell?
At that price I think i'll definately have one of them.

Dave.

bren
26-02-2002, 20:02
No that doesnt include all the pipework :rolleyes: :D

So far so good. Jezz reports that its basically all the right shape and fits well. It just needs a slight tweak to the bottom mounts and the inlet and outlet pipes extending by 10mm to improve it :)

He should be out road testing as I type :)

[ 26-02-2002: Message edited by: bren ]

Dave_S14
26-02-2002, 20:04
How much roughly with the pipework?? :)

Dave.

bren
26-02-2002, 20:17
Final price wil depend on complexity of the mounting kit as an S14 kit hasnt been started yet. I really dont want to quote a price because Ive basically no idea until I start developing it and looking into the S14s necessities :)

Dave_S14
27-02-2002, 17:37
No problem, keep us posted.

Cheers,

Dave.

Actual_Ben_Taylor
28-02-2002, 09:20
Bren, what about something like this:

http://store3.yimg.com/I/jspec_1635_54049

I can get you the exact dimensions if you want. I'm assuming that, like me, most S14 owners will want an intercooler that fits behind the front bumper, rather than in front of the radiator.

Let me know how it goes...

Actual_Ben_Taylor
28-02-2002, 09:28
And another one, APS make a nice one that's a simpler design. Its for the S15 but it should also fit the S14. It measures 595 mm x 300 mm x 63 mm to give you some idea (obviously this is quite large, but similar would be nice!).

http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/200sx/fmic/fmic1.jpg

didier_gg
28-02-2002, 09:41
595mm for length, is it the total length (side to side) or the core length ??
And the price ?

Just to compare with my IVECO stuff.

Actual_Ben_Taylor
28-02-2002, 09:44
That's the core size.

go to www.airpowersystems.com.au (http://www.airpowersystems.com.au)

bren
28-02-2002, 15:43
Ill probably base it around an existing design just to make life that much easier ;) Core size is not an issue, I can make these things any size :D

Anyone got a preference to basic design, HKS, Greddy, APS???

Actual_Ben_Taylor
28-02-2002, 15:52
Bren, my preference would be for something *similar* to the APS one. It looks like the end tanks would be easier to fabricate (read as cheaper!).

I also found some very good pics of the pipework that goes with it too:
http://www.racetoys.net/200sx_APS_JR2/index.htm

I know its an S15, but the 2 cars are VERY similar and it looks like those pipes wouldn't be all that difficult to reproduce (it steel or silicon). I am seriously interested in something like this...

JackaL
28-02-2002, 16:48
Anyything that DOESN'T involve hacking holes in my battey tray or bulkhead to route the pipes would be nice :)

I'd rather not have the battery in the boot too, but seeing as I've got a bit of ICE a teeny replacement battery is out of the question!

bren
28-02-2002, 18:03
Ben,

Complexity isnt really an issue with regard to price. Id rather not go for the APS style as its designed for the S15 and I dont want to spend time messing about re-designing it to fit the S14 properly.

Why not go for a sexy HKS style ic for the same cash ;)

Jackel,

I was under the impression that there was no other option??

didier_gg
28-02-2002, 23:13
Go a bit underneath the car for the left side, I want to keep my huge battery also.
But this requires metal piping, I will go for copper (easy to work), black paint.

Actual_Ben_Taylor
01-03-2002, 08:54
Bren, the dimensions for the HKS S14 and S15 intercooler cores are identical, Spec S = 600x302x97, Spec R = 600x301x65 for both.

Anything similar in size would be great!

Also wrt cutting a hole in the battery tray, I don't think there is any way to get round this, but I shall investigate...

Bren, let me know if you want any pictures, details, etc...

Ben

bren
01-03-2002, 09:35
The cores might be identical but are the inlet and outlet pipe positions the same and are the piping kis the same? Id rather have a tried and tested base to work from than have to modify (however slightly) pipework to get it to fit 100%.

Actual_Ben_Taylor
01-03-2002, 09:53
Bren, I can't argue with that!

I'm 99% sure that the fitting is the same, but if its not then it makes for a lot of grief...

bren
01-03-2002, 09:56
EEEEEExactly!! LOL :D

JackaL
01-03-2002, 10:03
Ok, I'll cut holes if I have to, not ideal though :(

How easy is it to relocate a battery to the boot? What do I need to consider when doing this? Actually, that would make the car's weight distribution better, as that battery isn't light :) Yeah, don't mind doing that now :)

Would an intercooler sit in front of the Radiator, or is this not a good place for them?

HKS Style IC would be fine Bren - but better would be good! ;)

David_S14
02-03-2002, 11:52
Looking at takakaira (http:///www.takakaira.co.jp)

http://www.takakaira.co.jp/performance/hks/intercooler/intercooler_1.jpg

http://www.takakaira.co.jp/performance/hks/intercooler/intercooler_3.jpg

David_S14
02-03-2002, 11:59
They list four for the S14
6379 Type S Front Mount 93.10~98.12 S14 SR20DET 600X301X65
6380 Type R Front Mount 93.10~98.12 S14 SR20DET 600X302X97
6381 Type GT Front Mount 93.10~98.12 S14 SR20DET 509X283X76
6382 Type GT Front Mount 93.10~98.12 S14 SR20DET 400X260X65

http://www.takakaira.co.jp/performance/hks/intercooler/intercooler_2.jpg

bren
02-03-2002, 12:13
We can have then as deep as we want. The largest tube size is 70mm but if we want say 90mm deep core well just go for 2x45mm or a 50 and 40 etc :)

Ill have a proper look around on Monday to see what I can find :)

Papa Lazarou
02-03-2002, 12:22
Originally posted by JackaL:
<STRONG>Ok, I'll cut holes if I have to, not ideal though :(

How easy is it to relocate a battery to the boot? What do I need to consider when doing this? Actually, that would make the car's weight distribution better, as that battery isn't light :) Yeah, don't mind doing that now :)

Would an intercooler sit in front of the Radiator, or is this not a good place for them?

HKS Style IC would be fine Bren - but better would be good! ;)</STRONG>

Well I believe there MAY be one alternative to going through the battery tray, if it really was a problem. With the Apexi Hybrid IC. Its quite a small FMIC, but the piping goes through almost the stock location.

Check this pic out :

http://www.takakaira.com/performance/apex/suctionandcooling/hybridintercooler.jpg

This would keep cutting to a bare minimum although the IC is small compared to HKS type ones and the piping is much less direct.

On the plus side its a very efficient "Delta Fin" intercooler.

Jibber
02-03-2002, 14:16
fair play, your a clever git pap! :)

[ 02-03-2002: Message edited by: jibber ]

bren
02-03-2002, 14:49
Cheers Papa but if Im gonna do it Im gonna do it right!! No tiny ics here, only hunking great huge ones! LOL

Actual_Ben_Taylor
02-03-2002, 14:55
Right, just been and had a quick measure...

The standerd battery is 9"x6.75" and there is a gap between the front bar and the fuse box of 8". So, if you should be able to fit a replacement battery measuring 8"x&lt;=6" turned through 90 degrees. That seems like a reasonably sized battery to me, I'll try and have a look in Halfords this weekend and see what looks a similar size.

Now, while I was there I noticed that there doesn't seem to be much clearance between the screen wash bottle and the body, I'll need to have a closer look at this as it might cause problems.

Btw, this is all on an S14a. Can anyone check the washer bottle on the S14??

Papa Lazarou
02-03-2002, 16:07
Ben, on the HKS kit the washer bottle is moved slightly because it fouls the IC pipes otherwise. You get a bracket which rotates the washer bottle slightly, to allow some space for the pipes. This is the same on both S14 and S14a.

Jibber - thanks :D . BTW your package will be posted Monday. Spent this morning trying to pack the thing :)

[ 02-03-2002: Message edited by: Papa Lazarou ]

Jibber
02-03-2002, 18:04
ithangyouverymuch and yourquitewelcome

Actual_Ben_Taylor
02-03-2002, 18:05
Cheers Papa!

Bren, looks like the kit will have to accomodate this, but it shouldn't be a problem.

Jibber
02-03-2002, 18:12
by the way pap, are you on this msn messenger, if so what address are you using. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Quick Pete
03-03-2002, 13:29
Ben, I could be interested too. Richie has given me a list of a few things I should think about and an intercooler is on it.

I'm a mechanical muppet so I hope you will be supplying step by steps.

Papa Lazarou
03-03-2002, 17:47
Originally posted by jibber:
<STRONG>by the way pap, are you on this msn messenger, if so what address are you using. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D</STRONG>

Hi Jibber - I am yes. My address is jonbob45@hotmail.com

Ivanski
04-03-2002, 22:57
Mmmmmm FMIC :)

I guess this falls into the declarable mod category... Doh!

Needs to be efficient, cause a very low pressure drop and (most importantly) be bigger than the S13 one!

Indeed BIG sum’s it up well :D

PS Cheers for the order confirmation Bren :)

David_S14
06-03-2002, 19:24
I'm not letting this thread drop down the post list ;)
I want a nice IC and would like to see a nice nice Apex one before shelling out for a HKS type S.

Dave_S14
06-03-2002, 23:02
Originally posted by David_S14:
<STRONG>I'm not letting this thread drop down the post list ;)
I want a nice IC and would like to see a nice nice Apex one before shelling out for a HKS type S.</STRONG>

I couldn't agree more. ;)

Dave

Actual_Ben_Taylor
07-03-2002, 09:10
Bren, thats about 5 people showing a definite interest.... :)

Want to start making enquiries? Let me know if I can help out in any way.

Ben

bren
07-03-2002, 12:23
Ok, tell you what, you guys decide what exsisting intercooler youd like if you had free choice and money was no option and Ill buy one and produce similar units :) The fancy staggered core designs maybe a little tricky so bear that in mind, a good solid basic design would be best in terms of cost.

Bean
07-03-2002, 12:37
Originally posted by bren:
<STRONG>Ok, tell you what, you guys decide what exsisting intercooler youd like if you had free choice and money was no option and Ill buy one and produce similar units :) The fancy staggered core designs maybe a little tricky so bear that in mind, a good solid basic design would be best in terms of cost.</STRONG>

It's gotta but one of the Big B a s t a r d HKS jobbies then! :D

I'm sure someone can tell you which model, guys? :rolleyes:

Actual_Ben_Taylor
07-03-2002, 13:13
Bren, that'll be the HKS R-Type for Silvia S14 then.

[ 07-03-2002: Message edited by: BenTaylor200 ]

Bean
07-03-2002, 13:50
Originally posted by BenTaylor200:
<STRONG>Bren, that'll be the HKS R-Type for Silvia S14 then.

[ 07-03-2002: Message edited by: BenTaylor200 ]</STRONG>

Cool, have you got it yet Bren???? :D :D :D

bren
07-03-2002, 14:11
HKS Type-R..OK...any advances or are we happy with the Type R???

Bean
07-03-2002, 15:42
Originally posted by BeanS14:
<STRONG>

Cool, have you got it yet Bren???? :D :D :D</STRONG>

Just had a look at Takakaira and their largest IC for the S14 is a GT Type 705x324x130

The R Type is 600x302x97.

Am I missing something? :confused:

Bean
07-03-2002, 15:45
Originally posted by BeanS14:
<STRONG>

Just had a look at Takakaira and their largest IC for the S14 is a GT Type 705x324x130

The R Type is 600x302x97.

Am I missing something? :confused:</STRONG>

I take that back, the largest intercooler Takakaira sell for the S14 is the Type R.

You have my permission to order it Bren. :D

Dave_S14
07-03-2002, 19:21
I'd go along with the HKS type, seeing as I was considering one of them in the future anyway.

Dave.

David_S14
07-03-2002, 19:47
I like the idea of a Type-R but is there a way we can run the pipes like the S13's rather than loosing the front fogs and having to cut the battery tray etc. Could we move the rad back slightly and get a hard pipes that go through the gap to join onto samco's ?

I'll get me coat......

bren
08-03-2002, 09:57
Ok then, HKS Type R it is :) Ill find the cheapest source and get one ordered today :)

Bean
08-03-2002, 10:00
Originally posted by bren:
<STRONG>Ok then, HKS Type R it is :) Ill find the cheapest source and get one ordered today :)</STRONG>

Excellent, wil you have the Apex version made by Monday? :D

Only kidding!!! :D

Actual_Ben_Taylor
08-03-2002, 12:06
Originally posted by David_S14:
<STRONG>I like the idea of a Type-R but is there a way we can run the pipes like the S13's rather than loosing the front fogs and having to cut the battery tray etc. Could we move the rad back slightly and get a hard pipes that go through the gap to join onto samco's ?

I'll get me coat......</STRONG>

No

bren
08-03-2002, 12:36
Well Ive asked what you fancy, heard all your comments, listened to the pros and cons of various FMICs, seen the general concensus to go for HKS Type R and......


Ignored you all :p Research has led me to believe that the Greddy V-SPL is the better unit so Im ordering one of those today :)

Youll all be happy with the results, trust me ;)

David_S14
11-03-2002, 12:57
I take it it's a Greddy V Special, the best one they do is below (I think)

Trust Performance Parts
Vehicle Silvia
Year Made 93.10~99.1
Chasis S14
Engine SR20DET
Core Type Type25
Size H 292 L600 W134
Layer 4
Side Tank (In) No.410
Side Tank (Out) No.410
Position Front Mounted
No. of Pipes 3
Pipe Size 70Ø-80Ø
Look for the last S14 IC (http://www.takakaira.co.jp/php/table.php3?id=318&cat=2)

If thats the one it's ferkin huge m8 :eek: :eek:
It's basically the same H&L as the HKS Type R but its 50% thicker :D :D

Papa Lazarou
11-03-2002, 13:57
No the Greddy V-SPL kits use a 276x600x76mm core.

Actual_Ben_Taylor
11-03-2002, 14:13
Greddy VSPL:
http://www.jspec.com/kaksupngt.html

bren
11-03-2002, 17:44
I only need a basic design so we can have the core as HUUUUUGE as we want it ;) Ill make my intercooler as big as possible, dont worry. :D

David_S14
16-03-2002, 22:43
^bump^ "lest we forget" ;)

bren
18-03-2002, 09:34
We shant forget, the intercoolers been bought and paid for, just waiting for it to arrive :)

David_S14
20-03-2002, 18:40
Gimme, gimme, gimme ;)

teamcapsule
21-03-2002, 01:29
How long will they be available? Because I want to order one in the future.

bren
21-03-2002, 09:59
They should be ready in around four weeks :)

Asht_200
28-03-2002, 17:43
I woul be interested to see if I could fit it into the bumper of my S13. Rather have that than sandwiched between rad and AC

David_S14
29-03-2002, 20:43
Are we still on schedule for the FMIC (about three weeks time) only I should have my Power FC next week and I want to get the FMIC fitted at the same time so I don't have to get it mapped again.

bren
29-03-2002, 21:44
antcp,

Anything possible mate but for the moment they are going to be the sandwich design.

David,

Ill chase them up on Tuesday :)