What clutch for the power?

panadol · 11-10-2006, 17:45

Hi guys,

I'm looking for a clutch that can keep up with loads of power.

I'll be using the car for drifting and drag racing, but it will be driven on public roads too.

I just fitted a new clutch that rates up to 398 torque, but I bearly made the running in! I have a Spec stage 2 clutch kit. My contact in the US told me to go for a Spec stage 3 plus, which would keep up with 571 torque.

What clutch kit do you guys suggest?

Any comments would help.

Thanks.

Matt

bren · 11-10-2006, 17:46

We tried the Spec clutches and they were very very poor. We had a lot of problems with them and refuse to sell them now.

Sideways Danny · 11-10-2006, 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by bren

We tried the Spec clutches and they were very very poor. We had a lot of problems with them and refuse to sell them now.

I fitted Dan Es 2 and a half years ago (may 2004). it's done over 30k and has never been a problem

Dan E · 11-10-2006, 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by bren

We tried the Spec clutches and they were very very poor. We had a lot of problems with them and refuse to sell them now.

Based on what?

bren · 11-10-2006, 17:56

There were some lucky ones but we had a batch of customers with slipping Spec kits regardless of power. Guys running low power and few mods were having huge problems.

Its the only brand Ive seen thats had these issues, every other clutch we have experienced has worked to some degree but a large percentage of the Spec were just utter junk right from the off.

I think I still have a couple kicking round here somewhere that I dont want to sell as I cant do with the comeback.

bren · 11-10-2006, 17:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan E

Based on what?

What do you mean based on what? Based on exactly what I said, i.e. our experiences of them and having a lot of problems with them.

bren · 11-10-2006, 18:01

http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showpost.p...33&postcount=1

http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showpost.p...12&postcount=2

http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showthread...=spec+clutches

http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showpost.p...65&postcount=6

http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showpost.p...21&postcount=1

http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showpost.p...53&postcount=1

Sideways Danny · 11-10-2006, 18:04

that's just a list of links of YOU slagging them off

bren · 11-10-2006, 18:05

Blah blah blah, take my advice or ignore it, I really dont care.

I forgot Im not allowed an opinion nor able to give advice based on my experiences

Tom200sx · 11-10-2006, 18:07

i have an act organis clutch in and it is great highly reccommend them

Dan E · 11-10-2006, 18:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by bren

What do you mean based on what? Based on exactly what I said, i.e. our experiences of them and having a lot of problems with them.

You hadn't really elaborated when I posted.

I've done track days and santa pod straight line malarkey with 300 ish brake without a problem, and 30k miles as Danny mentioned... so it's only fair I express my positive experience of them.

bren · 11-10-2006, 18:18

Thats fine but I really dont see why I have to validate my opinions and experiences repeatedly. I spent a small fortune recalling and replacing Spec clutches with ones that would do the job guarenteed rather than it being a lottery dialled in with a bit of voodoo as to weather theyd hold 220bhp or not.

Maybe I got several bad batches, maybe Spec have started producing clutches that all work rather than a percentage of them working, I dont know. Nor do I care as after getting stung big time once Ill not touch them with a bargepole again when every alternate manufacturer that I have experience of manages to produce a product that is consistantly fit for purpose and that means Exedy, ACT, RPS, Cusco, OS Giken, LUK, Blueprint, Helix, ORC etc.

Only Spec supplied a product that repeatedly failed to do its intended job.

panadol · 11-10-2006, 18:46

Thanks for the feedback. I didn't know that the spec clutches had so much faults.

I'm in a situation, I don't know what clutch to go for!

This is for a 200sx S14 with an SR20DET.

The final figure for the car is between 450 and 550 bhp. Any suggestions?

Thanks

Matt

archenemy.co.uk · 11-10-2006, 23:09

Sounds like you need a decent paddle clutch to me

But be aware, seems like they don't last as long as the organic ones

bren · 12-10-2006, 08:13

Id go for a twin plate and do the job once and do it properly.

panadol · 12-10-2006, 09:54

I was thinking of getting the ACT 6 puc sprung hub clutch with the extreme plate.

What do you think? It's rated at about 550 ft/lb torque.

ian_t · 12-10-2006, 10:02

Go for some sort of twin plate. I would avoid paddles, the shock loading of a heavy paddle seems very bad for the o/p shaft on the gearbox. The RPS organic single non-paddle might just about be good enough as a single.

But be careful how you drive with it, they dont have much material on them they are more designed for slamming to wind up wrinkle walls or lock up rear diffs

But have more give in them then a paddle so dont snap shafts or at least I never managed to snap one

just managed to break it in other ways lol. The OS giken sprung is very nice to drive with, but heavy traffic, stop start stuff i.e around a town wont make it last long. But then again pretty much all after market clutches wont last long in these conditions. Even the RPS ones, on the website they say they are designed for performance over duration.

panadol · 12-10-2006, 10:10

I'd love to go for a twin plate, but at the moment I'm low on funds, as I got a new appartment, and all the bills are coming in within the next 2 months.

A friend of mine got an OS Giken twin plate on his GTI-R, but we haven't driven it as he's doing some work on the g'box.

I was thinking about the ACT cause all I've heard was good stuff about them, at least from the Honda guys! Exedy was an other option, but I'm not too sure about them!

So you think that with a paddle clutch I might have problems? the car goes out mostly on weekends, when it doesn't rain, but the traffice is horrible here. It will be getting quite a lot of strip action if everything goes well though.

shaq · 12-10-2006, 11:06

I've been looking at getting an ORC 559 Series - Twin Plate Clutch. Nengun sell them for around €950 or £640 delivered. Meant to be able to hold 550ps so that should do for now! Used the Single plate ORC job on last car as was very impressed.

Nengun Link

Vez · 12-10-2006, 11:45

Giken Single plate shouldnt be over looked, but if money is an issue, forget Giken or ORC kit.

11-10-2006, 17:45	#1
panadol NON-MEMBER Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Malta Posts: 59	What clutch for the power? Hi guys, I'm looking for a clutch that can keep up with loads of power. I'll be using the car for drifting and drag racing, but it will be driven on public roads too. I just fitted a new clutch that rates up to 398 torque, but I bearly made the running in! I have a Spec stage 2 clutch kit. My contact in the US told me to go for a Spec stage 3 plus, which would keep up with 571 torque. What clutch kit do you guys suggest? Any comments would help. Thanks. Matt

11-10-2006, 17:46	#2
bren S13 + 2bar = 475@wheels Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bradford Posts: 66,437	We tried the Spec clutches and they were very very poor. We had a lot of problems with them and refuse to sell them now. __________________ KSport 8 pot 330mm brake kit £675 (retail £999), 356mm kit £775 (retail £1249!!!). Apex intercooler group buy, save upto £119!!! Details here Apex Aeroquip style remote oil cooler kit GB - £149!

11-10-2006, 17:56	#5
bren S13 + 2bar = 475@wheels Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bradford Posts: 66,437	There were some lucky ones but we had a batch of customers with slipping Spec kits regardless of power. Guys running low power and few mods were having huge problems. Its the only brand Ive seen thats had these issues, every other clutch we have experienced has worked to some degree but a large percentage of the Spec were just utter junk right from the off. I think I still have a couple kicking round here somewhere that I dont want to sell as I cant do with the comeback. __________________ KSport 8 pot 330mm brake kit £675 (retail £999), 356mm kit £775 (retail £1249!!!). Apex intercooler group buy, save upto £119!!! Details here Apex Aeroquip style remote oil cooler kit GB - £149!

11-10-2006, 18:01	#7
bren S13 + 2bar = 475@wheels Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bradford Posts: 66,437	http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showpost.p...33&postcount=1 http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showpost.p...12&postcount=2 http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showthread...=spec+clutches http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showpost.p...65&postcount=6 http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showpost.p...21&postcount=1 http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showpost.p...53&postcount=1 __________________ KSport 8 pot 330mm brake kit £675 (retail £999), 356mm kit £775 (retail £1249!!!). Apex intercooler group buy, save upto £119!!! Details here Apex Aeroquip style remote oil cooler kit GB - £149!

11-10-2006, 18:05	#9
bren S13 + 2bar = 475@wheels Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bradford Posts: 66,437	Blah blah blah, take my advice or ignore it, I really dont care. I forgot Im not allowed an opinion nor able to give advice based on my experiences __________________ KSport 8 pot 330mm brake kit £675 (retail £999), 356mm kit £775 (retail £1249!!!). Apex intercooler group buy, save upto £119!!! Details here Apex Aeroquip style remote oil cooler kit GB - £149!

11-10-2006, 18:04	#8
Sideways Danny Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: gone Posts: 25,609	that's just a list of links of YOU slagging them off

11-10-2006, 18:07	#10
Tom200sx Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lancaster Posts: 914	i have an act organis clutch in and it is great highly reccommend them

11-10-2006, 18:18	#12
bren S13 + 2bar = 475@wheels Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bradford Posts: 66,437	Thats fine but I really dont see why I have to validate my opinions and experiences repeatedly. I spent a small fortune recalling and replacing Spec clutches with ones that would do the job guarenteed rather than it being a lottery dialled in with a bit of voodoo as to weather theyd hold 220bhp or not. Maybe I got several bad batches, maybe Spec have started producing clutches that all work rather than a percentage of them working, I dont know. Nor do I care as after getting stung big time once Ill not touch them with a bargepole again when every alternate manufacturer that I have experience of manages to produce a product that is consistantly fit for purpose and that means Exedy, ACT, RPS, Cusco, OS Giken, LUK, Blueprint, Helix, ORC etc. Only Spec supplied a product that repeatedly failed to do its intended job. __________________ KSport 8 pot 330mm brake kit £675 (retail £999), 356mm kit £775 (retail £1249!!!). Apex intercooler group buy, save upto £119!!! Details here Apex Aeroquip style remote oil cooler kit GB - £149!

11-10-2006, 18:46	#13
panadol NON-MEMBER Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Malta Posts: 59	Thanks for the feedback. I didn't know that the spec clutches had so much faults. I'm in a situation, I don't know what clutch to go for! This is for a 200sx S14 with an SR20DET. The final figure for the car is between 450 and 550 bhp. Any suggestions? Thanks Matt

11-10-2006, 23:09	#14
archenemy.co.uk formerly Mono Phil Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Herts Posts: 12,599	Sounds like you need a decent paddle clutch to me But be aware, seems like they don't last as long as the organic ones __________________ archenemy.co.uk Arch contact is a thing of the past, no more clenching your butt cheeks over every bump

12-10-2006, 08:13	#15
bren S13 + 2bar = 475@wheels Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bradford Posts: 66,437	Id go for a twin plate and do the job once and do it properly. __________________ KSport 8 pot 330mm brake kit £675 (retail £999), 356mm kit £775 (retail £1249!!!). Apex intercooler group buy, save upto £119!!! Details here Apex Aeroquip style remote oil cooler kit GB - £149!

12-10-2006, 09:54	#16
panadol NON-MEMBER Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Malta Posts: 59	I was thinking of getting the ACT 6 puc sprung hub clutch with the extreme plate. What do you think? It's rated at about 550 ft/lb torque.

12-10-2006, 10:02	#17
ian_t Guest Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 5,124	Go for some sort of twin plate. I would avoid paddles, the shock loading of a heavy paddle seems very bad for the o/p shaft on the gearbox. The RPS organic single non-paddle might just about be good enough as a single. But be careful how you drive with it, they dont have much material on them they are more designed for slamming to wind up wrinkle walls or lock up rear diffs But have more give in them then a paddle so dont snap shafts or at least I never managed to snap one just managed to break it in other ways lol. The OS giken sprung is very nice to drive with, but heavy traffic, stop start stuff i.e around a town wont make it last long. But then again pretty much all after market clutches wont last long in these conditions. Even the RPS ones, on the website they say they are designed for performance over duration. __________________ SXOC member 388 - Formerly the owner of a 200sx now owned by FIGJAM Elvington - 13.04@111 - Bruntingthorpe top speed/jtuner magazine - 163.4mph (rev limiter limited with SX gearbox, now with longer ratio 5th 300zx box), SXOC TOTB entry 2006, FIGJAM is entering it for 2007

12-10-2006, 10:10	#18
panadol NON-MEMBER Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Malta Posts: 59	I'd love to go for a twin plate, but at the moment I'm low on funds, as I got a new appartment, and all the bills are coming in within the next 2 months. A friend of mine got an OS Giken twin plate on his GTI-R, but we haven't driven it as he's doing some work on the g'box. I was thinking about the ACT cause all I've heard was good stuff about them, at least from the Honda guys! Exedy was an other option, but I'm not too sure about them! So you think that with a paddle clutch I might have problems? the car goes out mostly on weekends, when it doesn't rain, but the traffice is horrible here. It will be getting quite a lot of strip action if everything goes well though.

12-10-2006, 11:06	#19
shaq Guest Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 67	I've been looking at getting an ORC 559 Series - Twin Plate Clutch. Nengun sell them for around €950 or £640 delivered. Meant to be able to hold 550ps so that should do for now! Used the Single plate ORC job on last car as was very impressed. Nengun Link

12-10-2006, 11:45	#20
Vez Over Run, oh yeah :D Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: AP Racing Smugness! Posts: 30,332	Giken Single plate shouldnt be over looked, but if money is an issue, forget Giken or ORC kit. __________________ The Monaro: 1.7 seconds quicker round the Top Gear test track than the BMW 535d which equaled the mighty BMW M3