Ae86?

Wad_2002 · 20-09-2006, 20:09

Hi,

Just wondering, the ae86's are going for like 5k on d/w.

Wots so good with them tht they are that dear?

colinjy · 20-09-2006, 20:11

there a classic

engine is solid and it has all the ingredents for a drift car.

RW drive
High revving engine
light weight

and oyu dont see that many about

Wad_2002 · 20-09-2006, 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by colinjy

there a classic

engine is solid and it has all the ingredents for a drift car.

RW drive
High revving engine
light weight

and oyu dont see that many about

So, basically the better than a s13 cadet

colinjy · 20-09-2006, 20:14

think of it like a dc2 teg but with rear wheel drive

id have one but would begrudge paying that sort of money if not more for a minter only to put it into a wall of tyres

Wad_2002 · 20-09-2006, 20:16

Are they rapid?...a fancy 1 now lol

colinjy · 20-09-2006, 20:19

i dont think there rapid i standard form but chuck some cams in standard stuff and then throw some webbers on it and you'd be looking at 170 - 200 bhp in something that could potentaly weight 800 kg's out of the back wheels

Wad_2002 · 20-09-2006, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by colinjy

i dont think there rapid i standard form but chuck some cams in standard stuff and then throw some webbers on it and you'd be looking at 170 - 200 bhp in something that could potentaly weight 800 kg's out of the back wheels

Added to the want list

colinjy · 20-09-2006, 20:24

some thing to wet your appitite

One crisp bright January morning, whilst trawling through Tokyo's auctions for cars to buy for stock - my colleague Gareth & I came across this AE86....I'd been on the lookout for a top example for 3 months...
Opening the bonnet, my pulse quickened at the sight of a pair of twin 45 Mikuni carbs, a full uprated exhaust system, MSD ignition system, TRD suspension, 14" Deep dish Watanabes, Full roll cage, Bride bucket seat, Bodywork was perfect too - I just had to have it....!
Having recently sold my S2000 daily driver to buy something more sensible and less costly, this was it, I thought!!
The carbs were so badly out of balance it would backfire and splutter, but that just made me relish the thought of tuning it, even more...!

Over the next few months, I went Corolla Levin Crazy, spending much of my spare time either on the net and reading through AE86 books and catalogues in Japanese stores to find out about how best to tune it, then buying parts for it and fitting them... On went a 13 row Grex oil cooler kit with remote filter, a double capacity racing radiator and for good measure - a Billion 12" electric radiator fan with a Greddy multi controller to do away with the power sapping mechanical item fitted as standard. The standard gauges came out and in place of these went a custom Defi Gauge carbon fibre instrument panel, housed neatly inside the original instrument binacle - which I'd spent 20 evening hours making. An Apexi Rev Speed meter would go on later.. I changed all four brake discs, then still not happy, I fitted RX-7 2nd generation 4 piston front brakes and callipers, braided hoses and a master cylinder brace. The differential wasn't locked up enough for drifting with a worn out 1.5 way LSD, so on went a new TRD 2 way unit complete with special shims, so it would lock earlier. Gearing for the final drive was already heavily lowered and the clutch a Toda Racing 2 way unit, with a lightweight flywheel...

I went out drifting again.... Power was still not enough with lost of hesitation and spluttering. By chance, I found a pair of Toda Racing 208 and 304 degree 7.9mm (standard lift) camshafts for sale second hand, although unused. Bought & fitted them complete with Toyota Yaris one piece bucket shims all set to perfection, but found the car was still not quick enough. Worse still, the carbs were still nigh on impossible to set perfectly and it would splutter at low revs, or high revs depending on the jets used - as well as bogging down badly at low revs in higher gears, making it difficult to keep on a slide, when drifting... In frustration, I began to think I needed some more professional tuning help from someone who knew these well. There's no substitute for years of experience...

I called up Toshio Kumakura, who I'd met at Tokyo Auto Salon a couple of years back remembering I'd kept his business card as I'd been truly impressed with his Corolla demo car as well as his Tsukuba lap times... Kumakura runs Techno Pro Spirits in Saitama prefecture - probably the most respected 4AGE engine tuning company of all in Japan, He's a total AE86 nut.

Drove the car some 2 hours to get there. Together with his softly spoken genuis mead mechanic Asano San, we talked about the carbs. When they opened the bonnet the problem was immediately evident.... The inlet manifold was of an old & poor design, with curved and unequal length pipes from the carburettors to the inlet ports - a design fault caused because the designing engineer had wanted to avoid the carbs fouling on the brake master cylinder. This would have to be binned. A new straight pipe'd Toda Racing inlet manifold would cure the difficulties in setting up the carbs.

"How much power would it give with all the settings I have now, then", I asked...
"You've got a 1st generation low compression engine, so if it's healthy, it'll make around 145 bhp", they told me.... We discussed the carbs...
"They're around 20 years old. Parts for these are scarce nowadays as they haven't been manufactured for over a decade. Maybe think of changing for a set of flat slides..." a cool cost of £1,500 odd....!

Yikes, I thought. 145 bhp. That's all? Hmmm, if I'm going to spend that much, it's still not enough power. I'll definitely want more.......
"Aren't throttle bodies going to be better than flat slides with high lift long duration cams", I asked?

So we kept talking. One thing led to another and I found myself asking for a quotation for a genuine 200 bhp hand built race engine with a 9,000 rpm rev limit. When they presented me with the bottom line, the price almost made me dismiss the idea..It was twice what the car had cost me, but I thought about it a bit and persuaded myself it made sense.
"Hell, I'm not going to sell this car, ever - so I may as well get the best engine I can (barely) afford... Put me down for a that race engine, please".

Two weeks later, I bought a cheapo AE92 FWD Corolla Coupe with only 55,000km for £500 and sent it off to Techno Pro Spirits direct from the auction. All we wanted was the block and head, which are stronger than the earlier 4AGE engines. This engine was completely stripped. The head machined with 3 angle for inlet & 2 angle cut for exhaust valves, then gas flowed and fitted with TRD valve springs, one piece bucket shims, Tomei Power Pro 304 Degree, 11mm high lift camshafts. A set of Corolla AE101 throttle bodies went on. The block was stripped, rebored, honed and high compression racing pistons together with AE101 Forged conrods, AE111 Crankshaft, found their way inside, all fully balanced. ARP studs and a metal head gasket were added, as well as a special baffle plate to add rigidity to the block. A specially machined AE92 oil pump was also added for good measure. Uprated injectors are fed by a used MR2 turbo fuel pump.The 4 branch Cusco exhaust manifold the car had come with was junked in favour of an equal length Techno Pro Spirits item able to go around the air conditioning compressor and much other secret work added. Then Kumakura San sent me an e-mail, "Engine completed...we need your car now!"

That week I drove it there, with a smug smile of satisfaction in the anticipation that the hesitation and problems caused by that poxy manifold would be banished forever soon. I'll sort you out, you Bstard I thought....

I would have much more power with an engine responding cleanly with strong power from 4,000 rpm and a safe 9,000 rpm rev limit... Just 4 days later, the new motor's fitted and they're working on the new engine bay wiring loom, so they can connect the Freedom ECU and map it..

I'd opted to keep the air conditioning and power steering for now, as I'm a strong believer in making sure the car's drivable for daily use too. 38 Degrees and high humidity would turn a black coloured AE86 into a mobile sauna in Japanese summer weather...The Air con can't be used when the engine's switched on in anger, as it'll fail if used at high revs, but I can handle that... Besides, it's too hot in summer to race - trackdays are usually in the Spring, Autumn and winter.

There's something special about these for me that nothing else can quite replace. Not even Gareth's S15 380 bhp + drift Silvia (now in the UK) distracted me. Watching these AE86's at drift events here in Japan and listening to their engines at full bore had always made me hanker after another one above any other drift machine.

This is now my 4th Corolla AE86 (Had 3 in the UK before I moved to Japan 7 years ago). By far this is the best one.

It's cost well over what my S2000 returned, but hell - it'll be a lot more fun for sure!....My plans to pay off a large chunk of mortgage this year have been shelved for the 7th year running...Cars have had a bad effect on my (financial) health with no cure in sight yet, but conversely the high octane has been good for the heart.

The old engine was donated to a young local drifter who works at a local petrol station (The guy standing next to the white Trueno in the petrol station in the Tokyo thread) We always used to chat whenever I pulled in and so became friends. He's also had the old exhaust system, manifold, etc. When he's not working serving petrol or changing oil on customer's cars, he's usually to be found somewhere under his car. He's 20 years old, but drifts pretty well!

Since then, we've now built up to 5 drift friends with AE86's. 2 Japanese, one Aussie, one Canadian and me, a Brit.
Some cars are still in development, but we'll get there :P :P

Bodywork will probably be next. I can't help thinking that a shade of Lamborghini Pearlescent Orange wouldn't go amis with a full lightweight body.... Early pics are below.

How it was before...

How it looked when I first bought it:

Home Made Defi Gauge Panel just before fitting:

New Engine being fitted:

colinjy · 20-09-2006, 20:26

little vid too

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/1...aad9f8aa6f.htm

The Big Yin · 20-09-2006, 22:56

learn to drive your s13 before you consider a hacji roku wad

they are underpowered,
very hard to learn to drift in
expensive for parts and parts are like ****ing rocking horse shit, only rarer than that

they are hugely expensive

and a few other bits and peices as well that i cant quite think of to disuade you yet

200sx_mark · 20-09-2006, 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Big Yin

learn to drive your s13 before you consider a hacji roku wad

they are underpowered,
very hard to learn to drift in
expensive for parts and parts are like ****ing rocking horse shit, only rarer than that

they are hugely expensive

and a few other bits and peices as well that i cant quite think of to disuade you yet

i gotta agree here you can barely handle your s13 as it is so youre ****ed if you buy an ae86 an 86 may be under powered but theyre much more twitchy over the bank end and very snappy !! if you buy one be preapred to pay for parts the way you drive ure s13 mate plus ae86 as before you cant find them in any scrap yard to get new parts either

so weigh it up mate its not worth it in ure case bud

20-09-2006, 20:09	#1
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20-09-2006, 20:11	#2
colinjy Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: between oxford and swindon Posts: 1,586	there a classic engine is solid and it has all the ingredents for a drift car. RW drive High revving engine light weight and oyu dont see that many about __________________ Xbox Live Colinjy COD MW2 PC Absolution81 COD MW2

20-09-2006, 20:14	#4
colinjy Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: between oxford and swindon Posts: 1,586	think of it like a dc2 teg but with rear wheel drive id have one but would begrudge paying that sort of money if not more for a minter only to put it into a wall of tyres __________________ Xbox Live Colinjy COD MW2 PC Absolution81 COD MW2

20-09-2006, 20:19	#6
colinjy Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: between oxford and swindon Posts: 1,586	i dont think there rapid i standard form but chuck some cams in standard stuff and then throw some webbers on it and you'd be looking at 170 - 200 bhp in something that could potentaly weight 800 kg's out of the back wheels __________________ Xbox Live Colinjy COD MW2 PC Absolution81 COD MW2

20-09-2006, 20:24	#8
colinjy Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: between oxford and swindon Posts: 1,586	some thing to wet your appitite One crisp bright January morning, whilst trawling through Tokyo's auctions for cars to buy for stock - my colleague Gareth & I came across this AE86....I'd been on the lookout for a top example for 3 months... Opening the bonnet, my pulse quickened at the sight of a pair of twin 45 Mikuni carbs, a full uprated exhaust system, MSD ignition system, TRD suspension, 14" Deep dish Watanabes, Full roll cage, Bride bucket seat, Bodywork was perfect too - I just had to have it....! Having recently sold my S2000 daily driver to buy something more sensible and less costly, this was it, I thought!! The carbs were so badly out of balance it would backfire and splutter, but that just made me relish the thought of tuning it, even more...! Over the next few months, I went Corolla Levin Crazy, spending much of my spare time either on the net and reading through AE86 books and catalogues in Japanese stores to find out about how best to tune it, then buying parts for it and fitting them... On went a 13 row Grex oil cooler kit with remote filter, a double capacity racing radiator and for good measure - a Billion 12" electric radiator fan with a Greddy multi controller to do away with the power sapping mechanical item fitted as standard. The standard gauges came out and in place of these went a custom Defi Gauge carbon fibre instrument panel, housed neatly inside the original instrument binacle - which I'd spent 20 evening hours making. An Apexi Rev Speed meter would go on later.. I changed all four brake discs, then still not happy, I fitted RX-7 2nd generation 4 piston front brakes and callipers, braided hoses and a master cylinder brace. The differential wasn't locked up enough for drifting with a worn out 1.5 way LSD, so on went a new TRD 2 way unit complete with special shims, so it would lock earlier. Gearing for the final drive was already heavily lowered and the clutch a Toda Racing 2 way unit, with a lightweight flywheel... I went out drifting again.... Power was still not enough with lost of hesitation and spluttering. By chance, I found a pair of Toda Racing 208 and 304 degree 7.9mm (standard lift) camshafts for sale second hand, although unused. Bought & fitted them complete with Toyota Yaris one piece bucket shims all set to perfection, but found the car was still not quick enough. Worse still, the carbs were still nigh on impossible to set perfectly and it would splutter at low revs, or high revs depending on the jets used - as well as bogging down badly at low revs in higher gears, making it difficult to keep on a slide, when drifting... In frustration, I began to think I needed some more professional tuning help from someone who knew these well. There's no substitute for years of experience... I called up Toshio Kumakura, who I'd met at Tokyo Auto Salon a couple of years back remembering I'd kept his business card as I'd been truly impressed with his Corolla demo car as well as his Tsukuba lap times... Kumakura runs Techno Pro Spirits in Saitama prefecture - probably the most respected 4AGE engine tuning company of all in Japan, He's a total AE86 nut. Drove the car some 2 hours to get there. Together with his softly spoken genuis mead mechanic Asano San, we talked about the carbs. When they opened the bonnet the problem was immediately evident.... The inlet manifold was of an old & poor design, with curved and unequal length pipes from the carburettors to the inlet ports - a design fault caused because the designing engineer had wanted to avoid the carbs fouling on the brake master cylinder. This would have to be binned. A new straight pipe'd Toda Racing inlet manifold would cure the difficulties in setting up the carbs. "How much power would it give with all the settings I have now, then", I asked... "You've got a 1st generation low compression engine, so if it's healthy, it'll make around 145 bhp", they told me.... We discussed the carbs... "They're around 20 years old. Parts for these are scarce nowadays as they haven't been manufactured for over a decade. Maybe think of changing for a set of flat slides..." a cool cost of £1,500 odd....! Yikes, I thought. 145 bhp. That's all? Hmmm, if I'm going to spend that much, it's still not enough power. I'll definitely want more....... "Aren't throttle bodies going to be better than flat slides with high lift long duration cams", I asked? So we kept talking. One thing led to another and I found myself asking for a quotation for a genuine 200 bhp hand built race engine with a 9,000 rpm rev limit. When they presented me with the bottom line, the price almost made me dismiss the idea..It was twice what the car had cost me, but I thought about it a bit and persuaded myself it made sense. "Hell, I'm not going to sell this car, ever - so I may as well get the best engine I can (barely) afford... Put me down for a that race engine, please". Two weeks later, I bought a cheapo AE92 FWD Corolla Coupe with only 55,000km for £500 and sent it off to Techno Pro Spirits direct from the auction. All we wanted was the block and head, which are stronger than the earlier 4AGE engines. This engine was completely stripped. The head machined with 3 angle for inlet & 2 angle cut for exhaust valves, then gas flowed and fitted with TRD valve springs, one piece bucket shims, Tomei Power Pro 304 Degree, 11mm high lift camshafts. A set of Corolla AE101 throttle bodies went on. The block was stripped, rebored, honed and high compression racing pistons together with AE101 Forged conrods, AE111 Crankshaft, found their way inside, all fully balanced. ARP studs and a metal head gasket were added, as well as a special baffle plate to add rigidity to the block. A specially machined AE92 oil pump was also added for good measure. Uprated injectors are fed by a used MR2 turbo fuel pump.The 4 branch Cusco exhaust manifold the car had come with was junked in favour of an equal length Techno Pro Spirits item able to go around the air conditioning compressor and much other secret work added. Then Kumakura San sent me an e-mail, "Engine completed...we need your car now!" That week I drove it there, with a smug smile of satisfaction in the anticipation that the hesitation and problems caused by that poxy manifold would be banished forever soon. I'll sort you out, you Bstard I thought.... I would have much more power with an engine responding cleanly with strong power from 4,000 rpm and a safe 9,000 rpm rev limit... Just 4 days later, the new motor's fitted and they're working on the new engine bay wiring loom, so they can connect the Freedom ECU and map it.. I'd opted to keep the air conditioning and power steering for now, as I'm a strong believer in making sure the car's drivable for daily use too. 38 Degrees and high humidity would turn a black coloured AE86 into a mobile sauna in Japanese summer weather...The Air con can't be used when the engine's switched on in anger, as it'll fail if used at high revs, but I can handle that... Besides, it's too hot in summer to race - trackdays are usually in the Spring, Autumn and winter. There's something special about these for me that nothing else can quite replace. Not even Gareth's S15 380 bhp + drift Silvia (now in the UK) distracted me. Watching these AE86's at drift events here in Japan and listening to their engines at full bore had always made me hanker after another one above any other drift machine. This is now my 4th Corolla AE86 (Had 3 in the UK before I moved to Japan 7 years ago). By far this is the best one. It's cost well over what my S2000 returned, but hell - it'll be a lot more fun for sure!....My plans to pay off a large chunk of mortgage this year have been shelved for the 7th year running...Cars have had a bad effect on my (financial) health with no cure in sight yet, but conversely the high octane has been good for the heart. The old engine was donated to a young local drifter who works at a local petrol station (The guy standing next to the white Trueno in the petrol station in the Tokyo thread) We always used to chat whenever I pulled in and so became friends. He's also had the old exhaust system, manifold, etc. When he's not working serving petrol or changing oil on customer's cars, he's usually to be found somewhere under his car. He's 20 years old, but drifts pretty well! Since then, we've now built up to 5 drift friends with AE86's. 2 Japanese, one Aussie, one Canadian and me, a Brit. Some cars are still in development, but we'll get there :P :P Bodywork will probably be next. I can't help thinking that a shade of Lamborghini Pearlescent Orange wouldn't go amis with a full lightweight body.... Early pics are below. How it was before... How it looked when I first bought it: Home Made Defi Gauge Panel just before fitting: New Engine being fitted: __________________ Xbox Live Colinjy COD MW2 PC Absolution81 COD MW2

20-09-2006, 20:16	#5
Wad_2002 NON-MEMBER Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wrong side of your firewall! Posts: 537	Are they rapid?...a fancy 1 now lol

20-09-2006, 20:26	#9
colinjy Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: between oxford and swindon Posts: 1,586	little vid too http://videos.streetfire.net/video/1...aad9f8aa6f.htm __________________ Xbox Live Colinjy COD MW2 PC Absolution81 COD MW2