So by your standards skyshack what category does my e36 coupe fall under?
So by your standards skyshack what category does my e36 coupe fall under?
he would have to measure it first ..... you cant decide if a car is aesthetically pleasing or a performance car before measuring it... its not enough to look at it
Yep, it's often said that it's not hard to make a car, even a 200sx, have the performance of something far more exotic, but those exotic owning people are not just buying performance, they are also buying an ownership experience, everything from the looks/engine type/image/racing heritage/style/interior etc etc.Originally Posted by docwra
2004 - on : 1999 S14a 398bhp 378lb/ft
2010 - on : 2007 RX8 PZ
1998 - 2004 : 1991 S13
The great thing about changing a car is that you can do what you like to it to make it suit. I guess the real argument is, what do you want? If you want something that is a good car and has a "good image" then you wouldn't end up in a 200. If you didn't care so much about the image aspect of it then in reality, you could make a 200SX (or any other car realistically) whatever you wanted.
Doc's arguments RE: the M4 against his 135i stem as much from image as the capability of the car.
Old and smelly?
Ok might not be smelly, do you have one of those wee trees hanging from the mirror?
No no far more sophisticated, I have a febreeze air vent thingy
I hate air fresheners - disgusting chemical smell that just tries to cover up the stench of old and decay. ... Its a bit like old women; first you get the chemical stench of Lavender, then comes the underlying whiff of piss and death ...... without it they just smell of piss and death
cars with mountain fresh trees in them ... they smell of fake chemical mountains and death
Piss and Death, that must be a new fragrance waiting to be developed.
You too can smell like a bag lady/e36 ..
My S14 smelled of unburnt petrol usually.
Only one letter from being one of the most enlightening posts on this thread.
Hmm piss and death sounds tasty...e36 smells more like stale fags atm, haven't hoovered it in ages and ash always ends up in the back...
Shit can suit. Beauty is in the eye of the beholderOnly one letter from being one of the most enlightening posts on this thread.
And the interior design, the ICE + Nav, the way it looks but also the resale value
Youre right though, the same way that Ill,lust after an M2 when it comes out despite it likely being very similar to what Im already driving. Id guess the M4 would be marginally better on track as well, Ill let you know when I find out
TBF though its obvious that the newer a car, the easier its going to be to get it close to the cutting edge, youll remember many a thread of me banging on about how a 350 is dynamically a generation ahead of the 200SX, my 1er is a generation on from the 350 and arguably 1/2 a generation back from the M4.
Could you make a 200SX do what an M4 can? Probably, but it would take a LOT of work.
I get the feeling that this would only work if we could pursuade Ernest Borgnine to drive the Isle of Wight to Portsmouth hovercraft.
I think if you aim to make car A like car B then you're wasting your time. Just buy car B
But if car A is 5k and car B is 40k, then even if it costs you 10k to get car A close to car B it represents good value, as car A will probably then be worth 10k over the time period car B depreciates to 30k.I think if you aim to make car A like car B then you're wasting your time. Just buy car B
So sometimes there are financial reasons to factor in as well
What i have learnt from owning a Prodrive car in the past, is that sometimes there really is no substitute from having a car designed and setup by world class experts, which is were Porsche excels.
2004 - on : 1999 S14a 398bhp 378lb/ft
2010 - on : 2007 RX8 PZ
1998 - 2004 : 1991 S13
But invariably it won't be close. That's the point Doc is making. It might be close to the performance, but won't have any of the gizmos and likely won't be as nice to live with as the other car. Alternatively it might be a lovely place to sit but won't have the performance or handling etc. You think about how much stuff costs an OEM to put in a car versus some guy on the street... You want to build your own M4, to cover all the same bases that such a car does, it will cost you at least as much as the M4, most likely more.
You might be able to match one or two attributes of the other car for "cheap" but never the whole package for the same money.
Yes, sometimes if you don't have the money though, the best option, or only option, is to buy car A and then increase the attributes you want.
I guess the best bet is to wait till these cars depreciate to the price range you can afford, as I agree if you can get a car that does what you want as standard that is always a great option.
2004 - on : 1999 S14a 398bhp 378lb/ft
2010 - on : 2007 RX8 PZ
1998 - 2004 : 1991 S13
The problem is that by the time you have done that, car C has been released and you start all over again
I think the other thing is that since I first bought a 200SX 15 odd years ago .... shit Im old* ..... cars in general have got better, much better.
I had a Golf GTI as a hire car the other day and it was bloody superb, fast, handled well, lovely inside, practical etc. etc - Id have never have swapped a 200 for a 2001 GTI but no-one would blame you now.
Likewise, in 2001 an E220 Merc was an old man looking thing with 125hp and 150nm, its now a sexy bastard with 200hp and 500 lb/ft. Why suffer 15mpg and a deafening exhaust when you could have that instead?
I love 200's, I really do but as time goes on, relative to everything else they become more compromised. But then again, thats the doorway to becoming a "classic", E Types, TR6's and the like can hardly be described as good daily drivers
I get the feeling that this would only work if we could pursuade Ernest Borgnine to drive the Isle of Wight to Portsmouth hovercraft.
It's all fun building a car, and people always say "it only cost xyz" but you've got to think, to take an s13-14 to be on par you've got 5k purchase price, 3k on swapping in a 6 cyl, least a couple grand on suspension, then brakes a couple grand on top, before you know it you've spent 10-15k on the sbody to have car as quick and handle a touch better.
Then you've got to try and get it as nice inside, which is plenty of time and money, then you've got a 20k sbody that's worth 7k resale.
Building an enjoyable car with resale value in mind seems(is)a bad idea...
As the yokel said "If I wanted to get there, I wouldn't start from here !"
I bought the S13 because I liked it. An M3/M4/whatever is probably better handling, faster, comfier, quieter etc. but TBF, I don't give a f*ck !
I modify it to improve it i.e. make it more like what I want it to be NOT more like an M3/M4/whatever.
If I wanted something faster, more exciting, better handling, better looking and cheaper than an M3/M4/whatever, I'd buy an Aprilia RSV4R..............Oh, I already did
Basically, what I recommend is that you buy what you want (and tweak it to be more like what you want if you wish).
Don't buy something because it is cheap then try to turn it into what you wanted in the first place. That is going to be expensive, frustrating and, ultimately, full of fail.
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