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    Dream or Nightmare? Falling for a rotary.

    A long time ago, before Gran Turismo was a gleam in Yamauchi's eye, before Initial D sanctified RWD, before I was out of shorts let alone behind the wheel, I read in Autocar & Motor about the latest in the nineties wave of science-fiction Japanese sports cars. No computer-controlled 4wd here, but it did feature two turbochargers that worked in sequence. How did they get the turbo valves to open and close at the right time? My 12-year-old brain struggled to work it all out. The brand new and very curvy Mazda RX-7 FD was beautiful, focused and very cool.

    Eleven years later in rural Japan, I got a passenger ride in one. While it wasn't as dramatic as a flame-spitting Skyline, it felt smooth, planted and very, very right. Moreover, the styling was incredible close-up - all subtly defined bulging forms melding purposefully one into another, with the classic double-bubble roof. That it felt cramped inside compared to even my Silvia only made it seem more special. Later I visited Mazda central in Hiroshima, saw the green-and-orange 787B, and felt how the quest to productionise the rotary engine is intimately tied up with the resurrection of this elegant, beautifully sited city.

    Then Si spoke with the enthusiasm of a convert, about just how special his FD makes him feel, how comparing numbers with S-bodies tells you nothing of what it feels like to drive. I looked, noted the fuel consumption and reliability challenges, admired from afar and continued with my economical 180SX.

    More recently, a combination of modestly rising pay and falling annual mileage allowed me to think I might be able to run a rotary. When I close my eyes and imagine my dream car, it is a curvaceous coupe, with a short, powerful engine nestled behind the front wheels, driving the rears. A Corvette was LHD and too expensive, a Cerbera even more scary to own, while a test drive in a GT86 proved that I couldn't go cold turkey on torque. The RX-7 FD was looking like the one.

    A little research suggested that I was looking for a fairly standard car owned by a knowledgeable enthusiast, with good compression results. I just missed out on a rather nice blue '99 spec fresh import at £7,750, then saw a black '96 up for £4,750. Rebuilt five years ago and with nice high, even compression results, this car had been with the same guy for years, serviced twice a year at a rotary specialist. The seller took me for a drive (I couldn't sort insurance to test drive a modified car, albeit one with just catback and panel filter). He apologised for not being able to really push it in the wet, and promptly ran up to over the ton on a sweeping A-road, car feeling totally planted. Everything seemed to check out, so we agreed £4,500 and I paid over the cash on the spot - lucky really, since we'd barely finished counting the fifties when his phone rang with another buyer offering to take it.

    The last thing I want to do is diss the S-body; but I can only echo Si's comments, the FD is truly special. The 13B knows neither vibration nor harshness, only how to pull and pull with such ready willingness that the 7k beep comes as a rude surprise. The whole car moves instantly and linearly with the steering, with no delay - the sense of absolute control is similar to holding a toy car in the palm of your hand. The brakes, big ones on my Type RS, reassure instantly. The smooth power and seemingly-invincible chassis make 100mph feel like the natural cruising gait (this may turn out to be a problem). While it makes speed natural, it never feels boring - you are intimately connected to the car.

    I've already ruled out body kits, coilovers, or messing with the sequential turbo operation that blew my mind twenty years ago. Future plans are basically reliability mods so that I can take her on trackdays without fearing blowing the engine - I can't wait to see how this chassis feels at Cadwell Park.

    So yes, the 180 is sold, and I have a new love.

    "Aero wave" double-bubble roofline


    Lure of the open road


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    Shades of the TVR Tuscan in this bonnet


    Even the wing mirrors are elegantly sculpted. Everything on this car has been thought about and designed by someone who cared.


    Dished Nardi wheel suceeds in giving me knee clearance. However, although the speedometer is clearly visible in this shot, it isn't from my driving position (!) Phone app helps here.

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    Ive always had a soft spot for the RX but the engine was always the fear factor with the rotor tips

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    once I get the s14 running I'm getting a stabby rx7 and rebuilding it would love to import a 20b motor so I can drive around with that fantastic noise

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch View Post
    Ive always had a soft spot for the RX but the engine was always the fear factor with the rotor tips
    Yeah, absolutely, I'd have bought one sooner if not for the worry. At this point all I can say is, the previous owner had it rebuilt in 2007, and at the end of last year it still had really good compression (>8 on all faces of both rotors). *If* they need a rebuild every 60k miles, that's a long time at ~5k miles a year before I need worry about it. I'll try and keep you guys posted how it fares in my ownership, though!

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    Passionate stuff.

    You've dreamed of it, you've got it and it's living up to expectations.

    Hope she doesn't fook you over . . . or would it be worth it?

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    My RX7 was nothing but a headache the 7 months I owned it. I'd have it back in a heartbeat.

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    I looked at RX's back in '03 when I bought my GTR, it was only the reliability stories that put me off. I got to drive a mates a few years ago, (had to deliver it after we'd fitted a few carbon bodykit bits), and to be honest, I think the decision would have been ALOT harder if I'd driven one in '03! His had a fair bit of engine work but the whole experience was brilliant.

    If I ever have the money, it's definately on my list of cars to own, (just below a Z32, I need to own one of those at some point!).

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    They're like having a really hot wife. Beautiful to look at, an absolute liability, pisses you off 99% of the time, but that 1% when she's in the mood, you're happy!

    The way they handle, the way the dash wraps around you, the way you can't really drive it comfortably if you're over about 5'8", the redline BEEEEEP, the rotary noise, the smell of fuel & oil. They're awesome. So life ruiningly awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinz180189 View Post
    They're like having a really hot wife. Beautiful to look at, an absolute liability, pisses you off 99% of the time, but that 1% when she's in the mood, you're happy!

    The way they handle, the way the dash wraps around you, the way you can't really drive it comfortably if you're over about 5'8", the redline BEEEEEP, the rotary noise, the smell of fuel & oil. They're awesome. So life ruiningly awesome.
    I kept hearing they're tight inside, I'm 6'1" and wasn't uncomfortable, not the roomiest car I've driven, but not the worst.

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    awesome piece of writing mate.

    thing with cars is... if you really love them,you'll take it on the chin when they go wrong and enjoy it ad part of the ownershit of the vehicle. good luck with it!!

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    I'm 6'2", but have quite long legs. I constantly had my legs up against the steering wheel (a small 330mm Nardi), and due to that, the massively offset pedals and my ****ed ankles, it was the only car I've not been able to heel & toe in.

    You can modify the seat rails to gain an inch or so, but I had more important issues to sort than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinz180189 View Post
    They're like having a really hot wife. Beautiful to look at, an absolute liability, pisses you off 99% of the time, but that 1% when she's in the mood, you're happy!
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    In that case the S14 is like a lesbian friend - great to hang out with, nice enough to look at, but you'll never fall for it?

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    I fell in love with both the wife and lesbian.

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    Beautiful. Now for god's sake don't modify it!
    It's too late for the likes of me and Si, we're doomed, go on without us and enjoy a beautifully balanced car that works (most of the time)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandan View Post
    Beautiful. Now for god's sake don't modify it!
    It's too late for the likes of me and Si, we're doomed, go on without us and enjoy a beautifully balanced car that works (most of the time)
    That.

    Quote Originally Posted by skinz180189 View Post
    They're like having a really hot wife. Beautiful to look at, an absolute liability, pisses you off 99% of the time, but that 1% when she's in the mood, you're happy!
    And that.

    I've completely fallen out of love with the engine but the way the chassis feels to drive and the steering... It reminded me of the Exige S I did my ARDS in a few years ago to drive. Light but communicative to throw about and the chassis is so delightfully balanced and predictable.
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    not quite gleening it from your blurb......so you like it then?

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    Never really wanted one of these before but reading that has made me consider it.

    Technically not much better than anything else but just has that certain something... is the FD an iPhone for the road?

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    I really think after the 180 I'm for one of these or an R32 GTR.



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    Welcome to the dark side!

    Not sure if I feel flattered or appalled about your impending financial and emotional ruin, but it'll be worth it, occasionally
    The important thing is that those occasions will more than make up for all the other ones

    I find the important thing is to have one that's clean and tidy, no matter how ****ed it is - that way, when it blows up, you can walk away from it for a while, then return to it, and find you're smitten with the first glance
    There's genuinely very little of modest value that I'd swap mine for, if I were offered. The exception being a late 60's notchback Mustang.

    As far as I'm concerned there are only two ways to own an FD - standardish, or utterly ruinous. once you start changing stuff in pursuit of perfection, the slide into the latter is inevitable.
    They aren't as expensive as everyone seems to think, they just aren't as cheap as an S body.

    Lovely looking car, really is, hope she brings you a whole lotta smiles

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