View Full Version : Finally get some justice
Mint_Sauce
29-06-2004, 09:23
Horrah! Finally some justice.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/3835537.stm
I fail to see much justice at all in this incident :confused: :confused:
I fail to see much justice at all in this incident :confused: :confused:
I do, some little 15yr old twat stabs him .... so he goes in side go gets a harpoon and shoots the little cnut in the face.
And the best part, gets off for it. ............ every other day of the week, you would get done for shouting at a minor ... they are untouchable. :mad:
In fact how can you not see justice in that.
A gang of kids vandalises a phone box ..... (****ers)
A member of the public that wants to live in a functioning society intervenes and has a go at them
They go round his house and stab him (right next to the heart)
Hmmmmmm
(1) Say "bad kiddy widdys" and tell them not to do it again
(2) Send them on holiday somewhere hot as a punishment
(3) Put the man in prison for having a go at kids vandalising because he upset them
(4) Shoot the fcuker in the face.
Its (4) everytime for me ... hooooooray :thumbs:
Mint_Sauce
29-06-2004, 10:00
In fact how can you not see justice in that.
A gang of kids vandalises a phone box ..... (****ers)
A member of the public that wants to live in a functioning society intervenes and has a go at them
They go round his house and stab him (right next to the heart)
Hmmmmmm
(1) Say "bad kiddy widdys" and tell them not to do it again
(2) Send them on holiday somewhere hot as a punishment
(3) Put the man in prison for having a go at kids vandalising because he upset them
(4) Shoot the fcuker in the face.
Its (4) everytime for me ... hooooooray :thumbs:
Agreed, that's what I meant. Too many times you see posts of people who have been put away after stabbing some little twat after he breaks in. This is a step in teh right direction if you ask me.
John Bennett
29-06-2004, 10:12
Could Scottie not mean the sentences for the 3 attackers were too lenient? One cleared, the other community punishment rehab and 18 months for the third, for kicking punching and stabbing someone :eek: . Although, that would have made a permanent mess of the kids face :hurl: .
I'm impressed he managed to get away from a 3-man beating go into his house and then go back outside with the harpoon gun after being stabbed in the body.
It's a pity the harpoon dodn't kill the lad. It would have been no loss to society. As for the sentences they were far to lenient :annoyed:
Mint_Sauce
29-06-2004, 10:30
It's a pity the harpoon dodn't kill the lad. It would have been no loss to society. As for the sentences they were far to lenient :annoyed:
True, but at least the innocent dude didn't go to jail for the rest of his life this time.
law or no law,if someone breaks into my house i will do everything in my power to kill the mother****er,how do i know they aren't after my kids its not that long back that guy got jailed for sneaking in a hostel and murdering a young girl.
they should give the harpoon guy a bloody medal :nod:
Agreed, that's what I meant. Too many times you see posts of people who have been put away after stabbing some little twat after he breaks in. This is a step in teh right direction if you ask me.
[QUOTE=John Bennett]Could Scottie not mean the sentences for the 3 attackers were too lenient? One cleared, the other community punishment rehab and 18 months for the third, for kicking punching and stabbing someone :eek: QUOTE]
Exactly, nearly murder someone and get fcuk all. :mad: :mad:
Quite ironic really
An Eye for an Eye and all that :wack:
Suprised the Spear gun didnt kill him, they are leathal underwater, and are seriously rapid when fired, even though the water resistance is very high. If it had been a spear and not a fork, he would have been dead!
Mint_Sauce
29-06-2004, 11:45
Probably not much to hit.
It's a pity the harpoon dodn't kill the lad. It would have been no loss to society. As for the sentences they were far to lenient :annoyed:
Christ no. Dude you're being way too harsh. I laughed hard at Johnny comments and I fully agree. Kids are little bast*ds these days and need a slap from time to time although the law says no (stupid law) but to wish death on him is just wrong. Chances are he'll mature into a decent human being with crappy depth perception thanks to the fact that growing up changes people and the fact that he got stabbed in the eye. Everyone is a twat at somepoint in their lives, usually the teen years particularly...
The law needs to be changed so that once kids become voilent (or engage in any other adult type of conduct) that they can then be treated as adults and if that means knocking one out then so be it !!!!
Christ no. Dude you're being way too harsh. I laughed hard at Johnny comments and I fully agree. Kids are little bast*ds these days and need a slap from time to time although the law says no (stupid law) but to wish death on him is just wrong. Chances are he'll mature into a decent human being with crappy depth perception thanks to the fact that growing up changes people and the fact that he got stabbed in the eye. Everyone is a twat at somepoint in their lives, usually the teen years particularly...
The law needs to be changed so that once kids become voilent (or engage in any other adult type of conduct) that they can then be treated as adults and if that means knocking one out then so be it !!!!
Sadly I think this is the kind of attitude that has contributed to the parlous state our society is in right now. Never mind the kid and his lack of depth perception!! What about the poor bloke who was stabbed near the heart. That's where your sympathy should lie. With the victim, not the aggressor.
That's where your sympathy should lie. With the victim, not the aggressor.
:clap: :clap:
The little fcukers won't grow up to be functional citizens who put back into society. :no:
Drift_13
29-06-2004, 12:31
Agreed, that's what I meant. Too many times you see posts of people who have been put away after stabbing some little twat after he breaks in. This is a step in teh right direction if you ask me.
Someone breaks in my house i make sure he never gets out of there.. :whip: :whip: big hole in the garden and dump him in there.. He never should have been there anyway.. :whip: :whip: :whip:
Steve@EMS
29-06-2004, 12:36
Who is really to blame for this incident? is it the boys parents? it seems acceptable for teanagers to do what they want to who they want, when they want. Go back 15 years, if you were doing something like vandalism for instance, like this case a phone box and some bloke came out, you would get shouted at and run like the wind and never return back there again! or if you got caught youd get a clip orund the ear and then a belt off the old man :whip: when you got in.
There is no dicipline any more :no:
My sister has three lads the eldest (15) has been expelled from school, been in trouble with the police and all sorts! the second eldest (11) has been done for shooting a young girl in the face with an air pistol :eek: been done for arson, and knows the caution and the law like the back of his hand, its just a joke for the little t**t. And these gits are my nephews!! they get NO dicipline at home at all! It is such a waste as the eldest is really bright and has so much potential, to end up like his bum father would be so much of a waste :(
i bring him to work with me on Saturdays and he is as good as gold, it all seems to come down to respect, something which kids these days no longer have. My sisters youngest kid is 6 and quickly learning the ways of his elder brothers, which is a shame :(
Christ no. Dude you're being way too harsh. I laughed hard at Johnny comments and I fully agree. Kids are little bast*ds these days and need a slap from time to time although the law says no (stupid law) but to wish death on him is just wrong. Chances are he'll mature into a decent human being with crappy depth perception thanks to the fact that growing up changes people and the fact that he got stabbed in the eye. Everyone is a twat at somepoint in their lives, usually the teen years particularly...
The law needs to be changed so that once kids become voilent (or engage in any other adult type of conduct) that they can then be treated as adults and if that means knocking one out then so be it !!!!
I agree with JB here,
I grew up in a rough area of Fraserburgh (Marconi road) when I was younger, we didn't have a lot of money and I did get up to mischeif....but no matter what my Mother was always sure to instill a sense of discipline in me and a respect for elders and the police.
When my mates went to smash car windows and set fires, I walked away, most of those people now still live in the area and are regular visitors to the cells.
This all comes down to the parenting.....no discipline is applied anymore from an early nough age, and by the time the parents think their kids are getting out of control - it's too late.
Of course living in such a pathetically PC country doesn't help at all. It's going to get to a point where residents WILL form vigilante gangs to kick the shit out of the neds who plauge our streets.....where do I sign up?
Tricky-Ricky
29-06-2004, 13:34
I agree with JB here,
I grew up in a rough area of Fraserburgh (Marconi road) when I was younger, we didn't have a lot of money and I did get up to mischeif....but no matter what my Mother was always sure to instill a sense of discipline in me and a respect for elders and the police.
When my mates went to smash car windows and set fires, I walked away, most of those people now still live in the area and are regular visitors to the cells.
This all comes down to the parenting.....no discipline is applied anymore from an early nough age, and by the time the parents think their kids are getting out of control - it's too late.
Of course living in such a pathetically PC country doesn't help at all. It's going to get to a point where residents WILL form vigilante gangs to kick the shit out of the neds who plauge our streets.....where do I sign up?
Your dead right there mate! more and more parents these days, are either to damm lazy or to damm thick to be bothered how there kids grow up! or what they do! :nod: and its a vicious circle, cos the kids grow up to be the same !
= fcuked up society!
Everyone is a twat at somepoint in their lives, usually the teen years particularly...
There's acting a twat and stabbing someone. Acting the twat can have the same fatal results and you rigth most of us have done it at some point, but stabbing someone in the chest with a Knife is intent to kill, end of. That person isn't going to grow up with thoughts of little fluffy bunnies, he knew what he was doing by stabbing the bloke. He raised the stakes of the encounter by using a weapon, he paid the price.
Your dead right there mate! more and more parents these days, are either to damm lazy or to damm thick to be bothered how there kids grow up! or what they do! :nod: and its a vicious circle, cos the kids grow up to be the same !
= fcuked up society!
As the saying goes, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Majority of times, kids will learn from what they see in the home.
The parent should be the mentor for the child. If the kid is going the wrong way in society, its most likely because the parent tolerates and allows it and doesn't see anything wrong in it.
Steve@EMS
29-06-2004, 14:22
But then theres the TV , showing that its ok to stab someone and get away with it?? again when we were kids there wasnt half as much!
Look at cartoon network :wack: WTF is all that about :confused: Power puff girls :confused: the cramp twins :confused:
what happened to Mickey mouse?
Sadly I think this is the kind of attitude that has contributed to the parlous state our society is in right now. Never mind the kid and his lack of depth perception!! What about the poor bloke who was stabbed near the heart. That's where your sympathy should lie. With the victim, not the aggressor.
I agree that the sympathy should go to the good guy that stepped in and put himself at risk for the good of everyone else, but I don't want anyone to die and neither should anyone else. The kid got what he deserved and has no right to complain but I'm sure it will shape his life. My sympathy is in the right place, don't change my words so it sounds like I'm saying I'm on the side of the twatty little gobshite.
I used to do allsorts of bad things when I was young, never did I want to hurt anyone in any way but I broke into empty houses and made fires, made bombs and blew them up, climbed tree's and tried to kill animals... I was always pushing my luck. I used to run around shooting my mates with a gat gun (they'd obviously be trying to shot me back too). Back when I grew up all that kind of stuff was (within reason) allowed.
Take an air gun out these days and you'll get shot.
Thing is it's different these days, kids aren't scared of adults and gobby pikey little sods that want to stab people do deserve all they get - its a situation where had the guy who got stabbed in the heart killed the little shite then so be it, he got what he deserved but you don't wanna be saying "the little sod should've been killed" cuz that's just as unhealthy an attitude as complete tolerance (which seems to be the way these days). This is why I say that when a kid engages in voilent acts they should be treated like an adult... there's enough voilence where I live just like this and people are scared to go out at night because gobby little kids gang up, get drunk and stab people - every now and then some die. How about the parents (who are usually kids themselves) experience some life, get a job and put discipline into their children ??? It should be illegal for girls to have kids before they're 25 or something because most chav mums don't give a toss and seem to like being in scummy council houses without a need to work.
John Bennett
29-06-2004, 16:34
I agree, killing people and vigilante justice isn't a solution I'd want (satisfying as it may seem) :no:
Does it say anywhere that it was the kid who actually stabbed the guy? It says he has 2 accomplices of 25 and 37 and elsewhere that one of them hit him with a bat causing the harpoon to go off. All seems a bit of a muddle to me (people don't generally shoot others in the face with harpoon guns as a defensive reflex).
Mint_Sauce
29-06-2004, 16:53
If I was fearing for my life i'd have shot him in the face, and both his mates. :nod:
to my mind the biggest injustice here is that this poor bloke has been dragged through the courts for acting in self defence. this case shouldn't even have made it to court. he was attacked and nearly killed in his own home by three little thugs - surely to fcuk he's gone through enough.
i'm glad he got cleared, but there wasn't really a crime to clear him of in the first place.
the justice system sucks.
Papa Lazarou
29-06-2004, 18:09
Seems a pretty fcuked up incident to me. Like has been said he was 15 but had 28 year old and 37 year old accomplices??
And the defendant happened to have a loaded harpoon gun handy?
All sounds more like some long standing argument/vendetta type thing rather than a confrontation over a phonebox....
Anyway, I think the self defence verdict is right. If someone stabs you in the chest, any amount of force you use to defend yourself is reasonable, IMHO, including lethal force, with whatever happens to be available to you.
That fcuking X ray of the harpoon in the kids head made me cringe though :hurl:
A 12 gauge loaded with buckshot would have done a better job I reckon :nod:
If I was fearing for my life i'd have shot him in the face, and both his mates. :nod:
You'd have had to pull the fork out the other kids yok first though :wack: :hurl:
Martin T
29-06-2004, 20:15
I think thats about right for the guy. As soon as your life is threatened by aggression you should have the right to use ANY force necessary to defend yourself.
Shame the scummers sentances were all so short though.
working in a school and being a parental type person i feel i need to add that, yes a lot of parents honestly dont give a flying f:censored:k what their kids get up to and will defend them to the hilt if they do something wrong
and the baby factories who just reproduce to keep their free house and not have to work definitely dont care what the things they have sired do
but there are a lot of these kids that have decent, grounded parents who are simply afraid of disciplining their childred
there are loads of kids at the school i work at that seriously need a damn good hiding for what they do, a bloody good kicking to open their eyes to realise that the world is more than them and it sure as hell doesnt revolve around them
but the parents cant even give their kids a good hiding these days, the kid starts screaming in the evening from a hiding, chances are someone will call the police, who will turn up and see a bruised minor, in step social services, regular visits from them and the police to make sure you arent harming the little swine or you'll get dragged through the courts charged with abuse/abh something like that
you try to discipline them by sending them to bed without supper, they'll storm out the house and nick something from the shops or just raid the fridge when your asleep, not to mention social penalties for denying a minor suitable food to fulfill requirements
you take away tv/pc/console, most of em will just go out and behave worse or start breaking things in the house, which lets face it no modern parent can afford
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