Integra Type R

[docwra]

Anyone know anything about these - a mate of mine has decided he needs one (the cheeky bugger wants it in black too http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/rolleyes.gif!!) and I said Id post to see if anyone knows much about our rice burning brethren
So come on then - out with it! What to look for when buying, any known faults etc.
Cheers

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92 200SX, grey
K+N 57i (Im ready for max power now!!)
Jap spec engine fitted by yours truly
Nismo paddle clutch
Uprated cams
Bit of ICE, cant be arsed to take the dash off to put more in
Never refuse a challenge!!
gentlemen prefer blondes ......

[DJFish]

Last month's EVO has a full buying guide.

Dave

[NikB]

Very good motors if you don't mind a harsh ride. I used to have one before the 200 and it was great. The VTEC motor is bullet proof so nothing to worry about there. Look at the bodywork cos the front end is prone to stone chips as it is all in one fibre glass. Look at the front tyre wear as I had to replace both on mine cos the tracking was out. The seats also wear a lot but I had the read ones, the blacks won't show up every little bit of dirt!
Check out this months Evo as it has a buying guide.
All in all very good cars, once you experience that VTEC kick you'll be addicted! Apparantly this is enhanced further if you remove the top from the airbox.

Check www.honda-r.org.uk (http://www.honda-r.org.uk) for more info.

Hope this helps

Nik

[Jezz_S13]

Scrabble non turbo. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/wink.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

[AshT_200]

Originally posted by Jezz_S13:
Scrabble non turbo. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/wink.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif


Maybe, but still listed as one of the fastest point to point cars that you can buy

[NikB]

1.8 litre 187 Bhp....

[Jezz_S13]

Originally posted by NikB:
1.8 litre 187 Bhp....

Aye that's not bad is it, i'd prefer a high powered NA car over these turbo larks, unfortunately you have to spend alot to get one. Me's thinking M3 ish http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/frown.gif

[docwra]

Yeah, I was trying to bring him round to the RWD way of life, but his heart is set on it. We might be going to look at one on Saturday http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif

[AshT_200]

Originally posted by Jezz_S13:
Aye that's not bad is it, i'd prefer a high powered NA car over these turbo larks, unfortunately you have to spend alot to get one. Me's thinking M3 ish http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/frown.gif



They aren't turbocharged. Car magazine tested and the car produced 190bhp at 7900 rpm. Redline was close to 9000.

Motor Trend managed 0-60 in 6.2 and clocked a 14.8 @ 96.3mph 1/4 mile

[NikB]

I have to say that it is an awesome motor to drive - the handling is spot on and not too much scrabble. I had a TVR chimera off the lights in mine http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

[bond_200]

I'd like one, I think they are nice looking and u wouldnt have half the problems u have with effin turbo'd cars.

[AshT_200]

Originally posted by NikB:
I have to say that it is an awesome motor to drive - the handling is spot on and not too much scrabble. I had a TVR chimera off the lights in mine http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

Driven an Integra, fantastic. Driven an S2000 in the summer with roof off. Even Better http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif

[Paul_S13]

A mate of mine has one.....quite quick but as soon as you get over 80 its a slug, great handling and VTEC engine note though, also there not too scrabbly due to the LSD as standard.


190Bhp
130Ftlbs

[Jezz_S13]

Originally posted by antmcp:
They aren't turbocharged.


Yeah I know, that's why I said it. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif
By powerful NA I mean something that can compete with a modded S13 260+ bhp. Hence the 320bhp M3.

Okay another debate.

Turbo cars only produce loads of power and hence use loads of petrol when flooring it and on boost right? And when you easy off boost disappears and less fuel is burnt.

What about an NA car with the same bhp output, do they use loads of fuel in comparison to a turbo car when cruising?

Jezz.

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[Ripper]

I know someone who has one, too.

The VTEC kick is certainly punchy but the ride......

I had a lift down a village highstreet at night (ie it was quiet) at 25mph and it was like driving across the moon with flat tyres!

Terrible.

And the performance; I understand 6.8 and 145mph and power at 197bhp.

I would say that sounds like performance equivalent to an S13 but without the sh!tty ride and WITH the Scrabbly Nonsense ( http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif) element built in.

And they're expensive.

I'd have a 200 any day of the week, thankyou.



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Tree uprated at Ripper laboratories, Florida.
Chairman of the Commission for No Scrabbly Nonsense!

[AshT_200]

Originally posted by Ripper:
I know someone who has one, too.

The VTEC kick is certainly punchy but the ride......

I had a lift down a village highstreet at night (ie it was quiet) at 25mph and it was like driving across the moon with flat tyres!

Terrible.

And the performance; I understand 6.8 and 145mph and power at 197bhp.

I would say that sounds like performance equivalent to an S13 but without the sh!tty ride and WITH the Scrabbly Nonsense ( http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif) element built in.

And they're expensive.

I'd have a 200 any day of the week, thankyou.



Scabble they don't http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/wink.gif

[Paul_S13]

Originally posted by Jezz_S13:


What about an NA car with the same bhp output, do they use loads of fuel in comparison to a turbo car when cruising?



With a NA car its all about volumetric efficienty, to fill the cylinders fully you need VTEC, VVT, VVL or lary cams, this all pushes the power up the rev range and as a rule sacrifices low end torque, filling the cylinders isn't a problem with a turbo car due to the fact that the inlet is not drawn in by the piston, but its forced into the cylinder.

At cruising speeds your generally of boost anyway so I would imagine that fuel consumption would be similar.

[Billy]

Originally posted by Jezz_S13:

What about an NA car with the same bhp output, do they use loads of fuel in comparison to a turbo car when cruising?


That's the beauty of turbos though. 1.8l economy and 3.0l performance!

Actually the economy is not quite as good as an atmo 1.8l due to the lower compression ratio, but still shed loads better than a 3.0l.

[Jezz_S13]

Originally posted by Billy:
That's the beauty of turbos though. 1.8l economy and 3.0l performance!

Actually the economy is not quite as good as an atmo 1.8l due to the lower compression ratio, but still shed loads better than a 3.0l.



Yeah that's what I guessed. So has anyone made a variable CR mechanism to up the CR off boost. I dunno inflatable gasket or summat that it blown up by the boost so regulates itself. More boost, thicker gasket lower CR, less boost thinner gasket higher CR.

I think I'm on to something her guys. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

Jezz.

[AshT_200]

Originally posted by Jezz_S13:
Yeah that's what I guessed. So has anyone made a variable CR mechanism to up the CR off boost. I dunno inflatable gasket or summat that it blown up by the boost so regulates itself. More boost, thicker gasket lower CR, less boost thinner gasket higher CR.

I think I'm on to something her guys. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

Jezz.

There has been talk of a man who has designed variable stroke to increase and decrease the displacement. How this works, dunno, but could be interesting. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif

[Billy]

Spring loaded head bolts, telescopic cylinder liners and external plumbing springs to mind!

Actually, it would be possible to have a small secondary chamber, a bit like Honda used a while ago, that closes (unlike the Honda) when off boost.

Don't start on the Heath-Robinson road though, or I'l start telling you about my non oil burning two-stroke turbo design.

And then you'll be sorry......

[Christian]

Originally posted by Jezz_S13:
Yeah that's what I guessed. So has anyone made a variable CR mechanism to up the CR off boost. I dunno inflatable gasket or summat that it blown up by the boost so regulates itself. More boost, thicker gasket lower CR, less boost thinner gasket higher CR.

I think I'm on to something her guys. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

Jezz.

There is already a (test??) engine capable of this.
Saab builds it.
Saab - even if you won't believe - is quite good at building turbod engines with low boost pressure. I think they get more economy out of this

[Christian]

And by the way...

A standard S13 is no way competitive to an Integra.
197HP, 1100 kg compared to 166HP, 1200 kg

Had a race with one once and we where even up to 200 km/h.
Although I had 200HP, not 166....

Have a look at the best motoring videos and the like. Look how this car performs comared to NSX, Skyline, Supra, Porsche on the track...
Awsome for a car not half the price of the others

[Jezz_S13]

Originally posted by Billy:


Don't start on the Heath-Robinson road though, or I'l start telling you about my non oil burning two-stroke turbo design.

And then you'll be sorry......

Already am mate. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

So tell me whats that then?
Could you make a tiny turbo for one of my 2 stroke model plane engines?
2bhp instead of .9 from a 3.5cc motor would be rather spectacular, or would it interfere with the tuned pipe?

Are free flow exhausts tuned at all, or are they not because of the need for usefulness throughout the rev range?

Heath Who?

Jezz.

[Billy]

Yeah, but where do you go from 197bhp?

And what happens for the first 6000 revs?

[AshT_200]

Originally posted by Billy:
Yeah, but where do you go from 197bhp?

And what happens for the first 6000 revs?


Turbocharge it?

[TomM]

The new Integra type-R, which is only available as an import (as Honda decided that the Civic type R was enough for the UK http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/frown.gif ) is soooo much nicer - it was in Evo a few months back. It is a 2.0, has more power, and looks veeeeerrrry sexy! http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif

[andyf]

Turbocharging VTEC engines can lead to phenominal power. 300+ bhp etc. Of course you typically have to spend an absolute shed load. Most powerful naturally/normally aspirated tuned version I've seen is probably the Jun or Spoon version, about 225 bhp.

And the torque at 7500/8000 is pretty much the same as it is lower down, it's just carried higher into the revs so the car can take advantage of the gearing.

[Billy]

Originally posted by Jezz_S13:
Already am mate. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

So tell me whats that then?
Could you make a tiny turbo for one of my 2 stroke model plane engines?
2bhp instead of .9 from a 3.5cc motor would be rather spectacular, or would it interfere with the tuned pipe?

Are free flow exhausts tuned at all, or are they not because of the need for usefulness throughout the rev range?

Heath Who?

Jezz.


I'm afraid not as you need to start with a four stroke. Then it's a simple matter of doubling the cam speed, developing the cam profiles, fitting direct injection, and the tricky bit, designing a compressed air starting system. Piece of cake!

All exhausts are tuned, whether intentionally or otherwise. Generally a road system will work best around maximum torque, whereas a race system would be closer to maximum power.
Turbos negate the effects though, as they disturb both the outgoing positive pulse and the returning negative one.

Heath Robinson (1872-1944) is the man who got me interested in everything mechanical. Artist, plumber, pogo-stick inventor and laterly the Conservative minister for alien technology, he was killed in tragic circumstances while attempting to back-engineer a cold fusion unit (which later turned out to be a food processor).

Yes, I'm that bored....

[Christian]

Originally posted by Billy:
Yeah, but where do you go from 197bhp?

And what happens for the first 6000 revs?

what do you mean with where do you go from 197 hp???
peak power in these cars is slightly above 8000 whereas the redline starts at 8500..
the 200 has peak power @6400 and redlines at 7200 - we all know that.
And we also know that the turbo runs out of puff in the high rpm ranges

What happens before 6000? Well, what happens in your 200 before 3000??
They are high revving engines. The power band is just shifted upwards.

But I can tell you, low down power isn't too bad also. I got a ride in a S2000 twice and it is quite nice and usable from 2000 upwards - as you would expect in a 2 litre engine.

I'm not defending Honda engines against Nissan engines here - I'm a Nismonautic in the end. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif
Just trying to explain my opinion. Integras are very quick and good handling cars and wipe the floor with most similar powered cars I know. (in the end they are lighter)
I got a video where a japanese Integra (200HP) beats a japanese S14a (220HP) on the quarter. And it got the worse start... In this run the S14 got 14.944 sec and the integra 14.746, both cars standard

[Papa Lazarou]

Apparently Option Motorsport claim to be able to tune an Integra to 300 bhp without using forced induction or swapping the engine.

How? Well they build the engine to be capable of revving to 13,000 RPM or some crazy figure like that. How long it would last, I wouldn't like to guess.. Would sound awesome though I reckon!!!

[Funb0b]

Now here's a thought why not turbo one.....nah! forget it.

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[AshT_200]

Originally posted by caleini_350:
Now here's a thought why not turbo one.....nah! forget it.



Ha! Beat you to that http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/tongue.gif

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[jimboturbo]

I've got a book that tells you how to get and what to buy to get an integra type r engine (B18c5)(or 1.6 civic) to run 9 sec 1/4 mile times. Big turbo, lots of porting, make it a closed deck construction, add vtec controller, standalone engine management and big intercooler. All off the shelf in the US. Seriously, they can run 300hp easy. bit scrabbly though (!).

conventionally aspirated honda's now run in the 10's at 16:1 CR's!

whose for a 1000 hp 200sx?

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[JackaL]

I raced one of these before I did any mods to my 200, and we were dead level all the way to 100, when the road ran out. Not an inch in it, he pulled away VERY slowly as my turbo spooled up, then I started to claw it back, but as I said - nothing in it really to 100 - except the cost that is! Same age... 50% more to buy?

I'd like to see one try now though http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif

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S14a, Blitz NUR-Spec, K&N 57i, De-catted - 222.2bhp @wheels

[Chris_Lacey]

Only the very finest of them puts out 197Bhp, a mate of mine was dynoed at 188Bhp and when he complained to Honda they said that the cars have up to 10% power deviance, with 197 being the optimum....