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There I am, sat in a queue of traffic waiting to turn right into work. I happen to be looking in my mirror at the guy behind me. He waves at someone and the next thing I know theres a loud bang and I see a flurry of legs and bike then the crack of my wing mirror being bent forwards.
Some twat who admits he wasn't looking where he was going has smacked his handle bar into my passenger door and I guess either him or his bike went into my mirror.
There's now a reasonible sized dent in my door and my window doesn't seal or close correctly. It doesn't look like much but the dent above my door handle is going to cost him. I hope for his sake they don't have to respray and re-skin the door.
http://www.paulcoles.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/twat.jpg
Luckily he works at the same place as me so he best pay when I get quotes. I now really think that push bikes need insurance for things like this. I don't want to claim on my insurance for it.
I'm still annoyed and it happened at 9am :down:
SteveDunn
09-06-2004, 22:51
That sucks mate :(
teamcapsule
09-06-2004, 23:06
Happened to me once in my old car. Bugger didn't even apologize. :furious: :mad:
crackdownuk
10-06-2004, 00:16
There I am, sat in a queue of traffic waiting to turn right into work. I happen to be looking in my mirror at the guy behind me. He waves at someone and the next thing I know theres a loud bang and I see a flurry of legs and bike then the crack of my wing mirror being bent forwards.
Some twat who admits he wasn't looking where he was going has smacked his handle bar into my passenger door and I guess either him or his bike went into my mirror.
There's now a reasonible sized dent in my door and my window doesn't seal or close correctly. It doesn't look like much but the dent above my door handle is going to cost him. I hope for his sake they don't have to respray and re-skin the door.
http://www.paulcoles.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/twat.jpg
Luckily he works at the same place as me so he best pay when I get quotes. I now really think that push bikes need insurance for things like this. I don't want to claim on my insurance for it.
I'm still annoyed and it happened at 9am :down:
hi mate sorry to hear you bad news :( but i think ( aint 100%) if you a pedestian runs out in front of your car and they write you car off ( or break the screen etc) you have to foot the bill yourself :(
does anyone know where you stand legally???
if a pedestrian is in the road he has right of way don't he?
as we all share the road with cyclists, if they damage our car whilst sharing the road with us i would assume that we could sue the saddle-sore-riddled-ass off them.
but then i don't have any legal experience whatsoever!
Rude Dog
10-06-2004, 00:46
Just beat the fcuker to within an inch of life and steal his wallet. Fcuking cyclists should have to insure before they are allowed on the roads, or get them to ride on the pavements :furious:
Not sure if it aplies yet but new EU legislation states (read somewhere, not sure where tho) that any incident involving a car and pedestrian/cyclist is the car driver is liable regardless of the incidient! Hopefully he wont be a :censored: about it though if you know him.
Not sure if it aplies yet but new EU legislation states (read somewhere, not sure where tho) that any incident involving a car and pedestrian/cyclist is the car driver is liable regardless of the incidient! Hopefully he wont be a :censored: about it though if you know him.
I've got a foot in both camps on this one and IMO the law is as it should be. I know it's a pain in the arse when this sort of thing happens but compared to the expense caused by damage to bikes and bodies cyclists experience it rather pales into insignificance. Cyclists and peds both deserve the utmost respect and diligence when we're sharing the road with them. Motorbikes to a lesser extent as many of them insist on acting like total arseholes, tailgating at stupid speeds, cutting in hard after passing, undertaking on the mway, etc. etc. so caution rather than respect becomes the watch word.
Sorry about your paint though Wallers and if he's a decent bloke he should definitely see you right.
My point is, I was sat in a stationary queue of traffic with my handbrake on. Some tit who's not looking where he's going, undertakes me on a single lane carriageway and hits me and it's my fault? There's something wrong there if that's true :indiff:
If that's the case then I'll by accident walk down the gutter swinging a hammer and if a car happens to be in the way...not my problem mate!
Jezz_S13
10-06-2004, 09:59
push bikes need to be kept off the roads full stop, oh and horses but we won't go into that argument again.
Mint_Sauce
10-06-2004, 10:08
I use both and to be honest car drivers are generally ars*holes towards cyclists. I get cut up all the time on my bike and sometimes almost get knocked off by idiots allowed to control tonnes of metal around whilst on the phone or doing their makeup. I've considered making up some metal inserts for the end of my handlebars as i've been hit and bounced along the sides of cars on more than one occasion by morons. I try to cycle on the pavement as much as possible in order to keep my life but get stopped by police and told to get back on the road. You can't win being a cyclist. :indiff:
Horses on roads is just inconsiderate :nod: :D
archenemy.co.uk
10-06-2004, 10:25
If the dent is up to tennis ball diameter and no broken paint try one of those dentmaster etc people. Someone round here massaged around 10 dents out of mine no trace, most were so tiny I hadn't seen them but one was a bit of a sod and he got it clean off.
When they're finished go to the back of the dent and put some primer on the scratches that will be left behind. :thumbs:
I've got a foot in both camps on this one and IMO the law is as it should be. I know it's a pain in the arse when this sort of thing happens but compared to the expense caused by damage to bikes and bodies cyclists experience it rather pales into insignificance. Cyclists and peds both deserve the utmost respect and diligence when we're sharing the road with them. Motorbikes to a lesser extent as many of them insist on acting like total arseholes, tailgating at stupid speeds, cutting in hard after passing, undertaking on the mway, etc. etc. so caution rather than respect becomes the watch word.
Sorry I completely disagree with you - this law is EU crap gone mad.
Lets say the same story happened but this time the cyclist drove into the car, fell over and cracked his head open and died. Wallers would lose his license, and be in prison for life. Even if 10 other people saw exactly what happened and said the cyclist was at complete fault.
You can't blanket sweep an issue like this... plus why should car drivers pay an additional 10-20% insurance hike to cover cyclists being stupid.
I use both and to be honest car drivers are generally ars*holes towards cyclists.
I agree but how many cyclists have you seen...
running red lights, going the wrong way on one-way streets, no lights at night, pi$$ed as fook... its time we got insurance for them
I may not have made myself clear enough there.
I said the law is as it should be, not that the new pending legislation is correct, nor that cyclists and peds should have compulsory third party insurance.
The pending legislation is stupid IMO although well intentioned in terms of raising the profile of the issues. Where it applies already e.g. the Netherlands, there is a significant element of discretion in its application by both courts and insurers, which should always be the case, all law must be subject to interpretation or it can end up being applied very stupidly. Of course these things don't get reported properly cause the media want to present a simplistic view that gets everyone going "typical EU stupidity again", *yawn*
A much bigger issue is the 2.5 million uninsured drivers out there and standardization of EU insurance law will go some way to sorting this out.
Cyclist are far more honourable than drivers and anyone that thinks differently is just plain wrong. None the less that accident is blatently the cyclists fault and yes, you should have insurance for cyclists - £20 a year isn't much and would be ample coverage IMO.
If I had to give up driving or cycling it would be driving because although I love driving I know the world would be a better place if we all rode bikes. Also all the fat, greedy and lazy sods would have to do excersize rather than drive turbocharged Sierra's muwuahha...
Horses need to stay away from roads unless they have a legitimate journey from one field to another and in that case they should be walked, not rode.
Sorry to hear about your misfortune Wallers, hope you get it sorted sweetly mate :thumbs:
to be fair its a pain in the ass and annoying i'm sure to have a cyclist hit ur car by accident. But theres no need to say that all bikes should be banished to the pavements so that if u were walkin along and a bike flew by u would complain to... to say that the only thing on roads shoudl be cars is stupid and proves the typical car drivers opinions of the road is theres. sure bikes do make mistakes but so do cars and a small dent like that isn;t exactly goin to cost half as much as if a car had clipped the side of u is it?
i think a small sum towards insurance for bikes would be reasonable but its hould mean that cyclists do get treated with respect n road coz at the end of the day. they ARE allowed on the road and they are so much more vulnerable to being hurt badly. its a cheap and easy form of transport which liek cars and anything else has its risks but the risks grow when every driver reckons u should be on the pavement and that the road is theres.
i'm sorry but having to pay insurance to ride a bike is bullshit!
car insurance is stupid enough at the moment,
whats this world coming to when you can't do anything unless you
insured to do it,
paying the government tax to do it!!
DaveyBoy
10-06-2004, 12:51
Inconsiderate toss-pot cyclist, so some of you think cyclists should be ok to cause accidents/damage and get away without paying????? Sorry, it doesn't wash with me, I'd sue the bugger for damaging my car :rant:
3rd party Insurance on a push bike wouldn't be expensive, coz its very unlikely you'll cause £1000s of damage in a claim, more like a few quid or few hundred at worst. Therefore insurance would be only pocket money.
As for the law element, its a gay law that needs changing :smash:
no i reckon that if a cyclist damages a car then they should pay for it hence if it really came to it insurance..
my arguement is that while all u guys want cyclitst off the road its a way of sayin the road is mine. if u arenlt payin huge amounts of raod tax and insurance u shouldnt; be on the road as u might cause a hassle. what i also reckon is that cyclists cause so little damage compared to accidental accidents in cars yet u the people who are pig headed "the road is mine" promotors cause so much damage to bikes and cyclists.. i'm gonna be the firtst to admit i've knocked off a fair share of wing mirrors of people who blatantly cut me up or doi summit deliberatley to me while in town riding. its unbelivable the amount of people who think its ok to cut upa bike or force them off the road in town.. i hate it
if you're going to use the roads then you should be insured. the prices of insurance are ridiculously high though but thats another debate.
Motorbikes to a lesser extent as many of them insist on acting like total arseholes, tailgating at stupid speeds, cutting in hard after passing, undertaking on the mway, etc. etc. so caution rather than respect becomes the watch word.
Great, nice to see someone making a non sweeping generalisation :rolleyes:
toss pot cyclist?? look as u said i think insurance or summit liek that would be a good idea.. maybe even havin car insuracne coverin the main driver for riding a bike or summit.. but at the ed of the day cyclists cause less accidents and less damage than a car accidently takin the side of u rcar out.. ive had it happen ( a car) to me but ive not coz i give cyclists a wide berth... at the end of the day... if ur gonna try cutting up a cyclist deliberatley then gettin ur car damaged as a result.. u try sueing someone u don;t know what he looks like and all u know is his bike colour...
only reason i say this is cause i hate poeple in cars who give cyclists no room, cause them grief just coz its not a car and think that they own the road
Great, nice to see someone making a non sweeping generalisation :rolleyes:
I said many of them, not most or all
Just going on 16 years driving experience that's all :indiff:
I ride a pushbike, a scooter, but also have two cars (both RWD, one S13!). I've never had a car accident of any sort but if I get on my bike or scooter to go to work (about 10 miles) then within that distance an attempt will be made on my life. Usually it's someone who didn't see you, but often you do get idiots who take my presence on the road as an affront to their cock size and will do unbelievably dangerous stuff. Why can't some people handle the idea of cyclists using the road? I reckon because they don't have enough confidence in their driving skills and the little fellas make them nervous. And how much damage can a bike really do to your car? Sure cyclists have got in the way of my car on the road before but it's a lot more often that some pillock in a car they can't drive does.
One week using the roads on a pushbike or a 50cc scooter should be compulsory for new drivers, then mayeb they'd be able to see the problem from both sides.
And another thing. When you get M3s caning their engines just to get past you and you're only on a bike - hahahaha that shit's funny as fook
i argree a cyclist should pay for damage,
but making them have insurance!!!
come on,
some people ride bikes that cost £20,
should we make them mot them :eek:
and what age do you make this come in affect?
i know its an annoying situation, i'd be well pissed off if it was me,
but that idea ain't gona work,
we have to have some freedom of movement without been tax, goverented etc....
Do they still do the Cycling Profficeincy course in primary school? (Probably not, no doubt it "harms" the children that dont become proficeint ;))
See so many cyclists on the road who are a danger to themselves and others on the road.
DaveyBoy
10-06-2004, 14:00
tbut at the ed of the day cyclists cause less accidents
Where are you getting your statistics/figures from?
and less damage than a car accidently takin the side of u rcar out
True, but still doesn't make it alright!
Interesting one this.
I'm a car driver and a Mountain Biker. I use both often and enjoy them both very much for different reasons.
Now.....from a car driver point of view I think that if a cyclist is going to use the Queens highways then they should carry some sort of liability insurance.
In Aberdeen I consistently see cyclists running through red lights, jumping up on pavements to over take or avoid junctions, weave through traffic and some even vary their distance from the pavement by as much as 6 feet in an irregular weave down the road.
Now, as a car driver I respect cyclists and give them as much room as I can and if I happen to get stuck behind one on a narrow bit of road I'm patient (delay will only last a few mins max) - I know that not all car drivers are like this, but I strongly believe that the majority are - anyone who has a bad experience with a car driver on a bike will automatically tar them with the same brush and vice versa - it's human nature.
If cyclists whish to use the road then they need to accept that they can be the cause of an accident, they may lose focus and crash into a car (it happens) they may scrape a car while passing, their brakes may fail, a wheel could come off, the chain could snap and cause them to fall etc etc - where there is risk, there needs to be culpability.
It is not fair at all to say that car drivers should be liable in every instance, just because they are bigger? because they carry more weight? if thats the logic, then every crash involving a HGV and a car would automatically be the HGV's fault.
It's a two way street, you get idiot car drivers and you get idiot cyclists - only by making sure that EVERYONE has relevant insurance should the worse happen will people start paying more attention. If cyclists are automatically removed from blame then they feel no responsibility.
ROB-S13 - I know some people who drive £50 cars - does this mean they should carry no insurance?
My daily bike costs £400 (Norco Storm) and thats not including the new forks, disk brakes and the Shimano Deore XT crap I have.
Is my bike insured? damn right!! covers third parties, damage done to components on trails and theft amogst other things.
Is it expensive? A little, yes.....is it worth it? most definately? It not only shows that I take care whenver on a bike - but also that I'm willing to accept responsibility should I ever cause damage or be the cause of an incident.
It's a two way street, you get idiot car drivers and you get idiot cyclists - only by making sure that EVERYONE has relevant insurance should the worse happen will people start paying more attention.
Totally agree with the first bit but an alternative to the second would be to have the police enforce existing laws properly - cyclists can get slapped with heavy fines for jumping lights and riding dangerously on pavements and they should be.
I know some people who drive £50 cars - does this mean they should carry no insurance?
A valid rebuttle of the argument, however, 2.5 million of them don't. The difference between an uninsured cyclist hitting a child and a car doing it is potentially hundreds of thousands in medical expenses, special care, etc.
ROB-S13 - I know some people who drive £50 cars - does this mean they should carry no insurance?
My daily bike costs £400 (Norco Storm) and thats not including the new forks, disk brakes and the Shimano Deore XT crap I have.
Is my bike insured? damn right!! covers third parties, damage done to components on trails and theft amogst other things.
Is it expensive? A little, yes.....is it worth it? most definately? It not only shows that I take care whenver on a bike - but also that I'm willing to accept responsibility should I ever cause damage or be the cause of an incident.
what i'm getting at is cycling should be a mode of transport that is FREE why should i have to pay someone to ride my bike!
i used to be a cyclist, 15th in the country in the british trials championship 99'
infact i my bike has been worth more than any car i have owned!
and if someone drives a £50 car is still has to be mot'd
you can't have compusary insurance policy on a piece of equipment that has no way of been judged as been safe!!
so they'd need a mot
oh and we might as well pay tax on them while we're at it!
think of the legal loopholes in that one!!
oh and what if its you mates bike,
etc....
oh we better put registration plates on them all!!!!
think about this one people!!
Oh and no more having a quick go on you mates bike, unless your ring your insrance company up and make sure you covered to,
:annoyed: :annoyed: :annoyed:
Just try living in Cambridge, or for that matter, driving through it once. Im not anti bike, by any means but it appears you have to be lobotomised to ride a bike here. :indiff:
No respect for red lights, right of way, one way streets, roundabouts, driving on the left, pavements, bus lanes - anything. Half of the fcukers dont even speak english FFS. :indiff:
And what do you think happens when they hit your car?? Do they stop, ay sorry, check for damage?? Do they fcuk. I have had at least 3 ride off making hand gestures at me, after they hit me with my tax, insurance and driving inside the laws of the road.
IMO all bikes should be subject to 3rd party cover, and cars should have right of way everywhere. Period. If a bike gets in the way you should be allowed to hit it and then claim back from his insurance. :nod:
Last three hits I had?? All Chinese/Japanese students - one hit me while I was stopped at a red light HEAD ON :eek:, one hit my wing mirror driving the wrong way down a one way street and the other one just fell into my car because they were drunk. :rant:
Point made, you think?? :indiff:
sorry mate but its exactly that kinda attitude that i ahte and if ur the kinda person who if cut me up would a wing mirror or side window short.. if u had three bumpbs by a micra( bot hte same one) would u say that all micras should be abned from road and hit if they were in ur way??? EXACTLY... don;t tar everyone with the same brush......
I pya road tax therefore the road is mine...... i pay a gym fee but i don;t run about throwing people out of the pool or off thw eights when i want them..
:furious:
The simple fact of the matter is that today more than ever we are living in a segregated society where everyone else is to blame and there is no sense of community or shared responsibility.
When I was 10 (1988) I crashed my bike into a neighbours caravan and dented it, the guy was more concerned with my well being and not who was going to pay for the damage. As it stood even though my mum offered to pay (I got a smack for not paying attention!) the guy refused with the attitude "kids are kids, $hit happens).
However, things have changed, society has changed, our attitude towards others have changed (seems like a "hate everyone till proven otherwise" philosophy has taken hold) and although in a perfect world incidents could be sorted out in a rational, mutually beneficial way - this is no longer the way of the world.
We need to accept that if something bad happens, it will more often than not turn nasty (solicitors, claims etc) and we need to protect ourselves and ensure that we have our liabilities covered.
This includes cyclists.
I gurantee within 20 years we will no doubt have to take out "child insurance" to pay for any damage our kids may cause to others property....should it be like this? Of course not. But thats life, and it's getting suckier by the day.
The simple fact of the matter is that today more than ever we are living in a segregated society where everyone else is to blame and there is no sense of community or shared responsibility.
When I was 10 (1988) I crashed my bike into a neighbours caravan and dented it, the guy was more concerned with my well being and not who was going to pay for the damage. As it stood even though my mum offered to pay (I got a smack for not paying attention!) the guy refused with the attitude "kids are kids, $hit happens).
However, things have changed, society has changed, our attitude towards others have changed (seems like a "hate everyone till proven otherwise" philosophy has taken hold) and although in a perfect world incidents could be sorted out in a rational, mutually beneficial way - this is no longer the way of the world.
We need to accept that if something bad happens, it will more often than not turn nasty (solicitors, claims etc) and we need to protect ourselves and ensure that we have our liabilities covered.
This includes cyclists.
I gurantee within 20 years we will no doubt have to take out "child insurance" to pay for any damage our kids may cause to others property....should it be like this? Of course not. But thats life, and it's getting suckier by the day.
:clap: :notworthy
London seems to be very similar :(
Very few (but there are some :) ) obay traffic lights, signals etc
However a huge amout of issues would be solved if people bothered to follow the highway code :rant:
Yes there are idiot car drivers, motorcyclists, even pedestrians, but by far the biggest group of idiots (in London) has got to be cyclists :mad:
And as for policing cyclists who the fook is going to do that??? The police are far too busy booking speeders than to bother with cyclists getting themselves killed and other real road safety issues :( (There was a cyclist killed outside my office 2 months ago 'cause they jumped a red light and got hit by an HGV :( )
This is going to run and run :D
annoying as it is and money aside,
think of the implications of having compusary insurance on a bike!!!!
and the loop hole surroundin it
£10 a year tax which included third party insurance a la Australia is a better one!
I can't see anyting wrong with making insurance for someone who is using main roads for a bicycle compulsary. Loopholes? for instance?
Third party liability insurance made compulsary for all cyclists using main roads can surely only be a good thing. I gurantee you will see a reduction in injuries to cyclists if they can be held liable for their own dumb ass actions (much like car drivers / motorcyclists).
The whole point here is that if a cyclist damages your vehicle (how would you feel watching a handlebar trail down the side of your car?) they should be made to pay for the damages.....as it stands there is nothing in place and the cyclists has no real liability.
And registration plates for bikes? excellent idea Rob....no longer will they be able to dis-appear into the sunset never to be seen again.
I see what your saying about the whole freedom of movement and that things are getting ridiculous with regards the amount of Tax / insurance we pay....but this is the way the world is going. It sucks, I agree, but it's life.
Until we make sweeping changes to society as a whole, it will continue to get worse.
Jezz_S13
10-06-2004, 15:22
I think bikes and horses should pay road tax too.
And extra health tax as they are more likely to need to get fixed up. :D
Yes there are idiot car drivers, motorcyclists, even pedestrians, but by far the biggest group of idiots (in London) has got to be cyclists :mad:
So speaks a driver/biker who wouldn't be seen dead on unpowered 2-wheels? :p Just lending more weight to Abaddon's argument there mate. Those cyclists in london are evil though, all the kiddies they kill every year with their huge bull bars.
This is going to run and run :D
There we agree :nod: :D
So speaks a driver/biker who wouldn't be seen dead on unpowered 2-wheels? :p Just lending more weight to Abaddon's argument there mate. Those cyclists in london are evil though, all the kiddies they kill every year with their huge bull bars.
Jeez, just the sort of shallow and fooking wrong comment I'd expect from a self centred cyclist :mad:
I've been riding bicycles for 27 years :p
Its not the bloody cyclists who kill (they will only get themselves killed) but its the person who kills them who has to live with it just because the cyclist can't be bothered to follow the rules of the road :(
Jeez, just the sort of shallow and fooking wrong comment I'd expect from a self centred cyclist :mad:
Score another one for Abaddon, there was a quesiton mark and a smilie in there mate. I've been on my bike twice in about 5 years, tragically. Kids and jobs will do that.
its the person who kills them who has to live with it just because the cyclist can't be bothered to follow the rules of the road
Yeah, like my mate Ian with his fluoro jacket, lights and exemplary skills who got hit by a "joyrider" doing over 100mph, who subsequently got 18months cos he cut a deal.
Ian's bodyparts were found over a 200 yd radius.
The Artist
10-06-2004, 15:46
well I have not read the whole thread but I used to cylce a LOT I was in a cycling club (time trials) I would go out and do about 120 miles in a day on the road...but in the last few years I have taken to the cycle paths / off-road tracks etc because it is just so dangerous now on the road for a cyclist. Its bad enough in a car but these days people are off their head and always in such a rush to go nowhere indeed a few cyclists have been killed around here recently. But as someone said some cylists are also morons are will go through red lights and play chicken with you coming towards you on a one way street etc......quite often students
I will be selling my beloved road bike soon as I am to scared to use it on the roads...... :nod:
SFC, my apologies if I sound a little too annoyed :)
I'm not sure I'd agree with going that far (full registration etc). I'm more inclined to agree with Rob with a flat £10 a year.
I just think that cyclists currently are failing to take road use seriously enough :( (having said that however that could be taken in to account for a lot of other road users too :rolleyes: )
Perhaps we need to bring in some sort of rider training :confused: I did my cycling proficiency test years ago and I still consider it relevant now :nod:
Motorbike training has progressed so why the hell hasn't bicycle??? :confused:
Yeah, like my mate Ian with his fluoro jacket, lights and exemplary skills who got hit by a "joyrider" doing over 100mph, who subsequently got 18months cos he cut a deal.
Ian's bodyparts were found over a 200 yd radius.
Damned sorry to hear that mate....again this whole issued can be moved away from a Cyclist VS car driver and focused more on a "WTF is going on in society today"
even as recent as 50 years ago there was still a strong sense of community and 'shared responsibility', of course there was bad aspects to society, always has been and probably always will be. I think we need to address the wider issue of blame assignment.
I live in a small town north of Aberdeen called Mintlaw...when I went to Mintlaw Academy it was a great school, high in league tables, good disciplne - some bullying and usual fights and stuff, but all together good. The parents in the town knew each other and if the kids got up to crap....the community knew about it, parents were told, problem was addressed.
However, just two weeks ago Mintlaw Academt got shut down for two days due to un-controllable bullying...CCTV is being installed in every classroom and there are secuirty gurads on the bus's.
The parents blame the tecahers, the teachers blame parents, kids blame each other, local MP's blame everyone.....some parents even said "I can't control what my children do, I can't watch them 24 hours a day"
Point being that 50 years ago you wouldn't have too, because communitys were tight nit, the community as a whole took responsibility.
We don't have that anymore, too many people willing to blame others.
You folks are right, this could run and run....because no one wants to be seen in the wrong. cars get pissed off with bikes cos they waste precious seconds, bikes hate cars cos they are smelly, noisy, and come too close. And we all hate each other cos we are self obsessed with our own little worlds and don't give a flying toss about anyone else.
I do despair.
know one is every goin to win this argument,
but i'll say this, i for one would not pay and tax etc... for riding
a fcukin push bike!! whats next skate boads, roller blades,
fcking shoes!!!
where the hell do we stop!!
If a bike its your car, its up to you to get out and catch the fcuker
and get the money off him!
harsh but i know i'd rather live in a world like that that one where you just keep laying out
cash for bull shit reasons and making other people richer and richer!!
BIGIN UP THE FREE WORLD :Plug:
Abaddon, you're totally right about no one taking responsibility.. thing is if one person does then most of the others will somehow take advantage of that and turn it into an opportunity for personal gain...
I really do wonder how things can be made the way they should be, the way they used to be.
It's a social attitude that's developed and these days adults behave worse than kids 20 or 30 years ago... but WTF is the solution? despair is an apt word in this case.
Alright, lets take a different slant on this then.
If you lived in a town where the vast majority of citizens are not UK residents, but ride bikes to get about (Cambridge, for instance ;) ) would you not think it might be a good idea for some of them to prove they actually know the highway code before they take to the streets??
"Last three hits I had?? All Chinese/Japanese students - one hit me while I was stopped at a red light HEAD ON , one hit my wing mirror driving the wrong way down a one way street and the other one just fell into my car because they were drunk"
Youll always get wakner cyclists, same as wakner peds, but even a little bit of effort will stop stuff like the bird I saw with a lorry parked on her the other day. :(
Oh, and Rob - Skateboards etc. dont use the road. If they do they shouldnt - this argument is bikes and possibly horses. I dont think anyone can really expect bikes to pay tax, but I wouldnt fancy a full respray after some fcukwit on a chopper has scraped down the side of my car :indiff:
Mint_Sauce
10-06-2004, 17:36
Yeah, I used to be really generous knowing that people would do the same for me. Now it seems if your generous people see you as a good way to get something for free and then expect it. Pi$$es me right off. Very few people I know are good enough to give what they get. :mad: :mad:
Yeah, I used to be really generous knowing that people would do the same for me. Now it seems if your generous people see you as a good way to get something for free and then expect it. Pi$$es me right off. Very few people I know are good enough to give what they get. :mad: :mad:
The "nice guys come last" effect. the 80's has a lot to answer for with the whole greed is good attitude. this is where it all went wrong but I'll be damned if I can see a way for it to go back to the way it once was.
America has the greed thing fully in effect and there's no way they'd back down. The rest of the world can't relax because otherwise they will be falling behind faster than they already are.
tinnysteve
10-06-2004, 18:04
this is all getting a bit heated this type of dent can be taken out by paintless dent repair i would do it free of charge for a sx owner if he was close enough but yes damage to our pride and joys pi** us of when its not our fault
steve
SFC, my apologies if I sound a little too annoyed :)
No probs mate, BBSs lend themselves to misunderstanding people and getting over excited about stuff, done it myself many times :thumbs:
Compared to having rabid anarchists telling you you're going to be first up against the wall and how they'd lile to f*ck you with razor wire :eek:, as happened to me elsewhere, this place is pretty tame :D
Compared to having rabid anarchists telling you you're going to be first up against the wall and how they'd lile to f*ck you with razor wire :eek:, as happened to me elsewhere, this place is pretty tame :D
Oooh sounds like fun, where do I go to get razor fecked ???
Richie_Badger
11-06-2004, 10:17
It's a very tricky one. I'll lay down my thought quickly.
I'm a cyclist and a motorist. On a car I have seen few cyclists being proper :censored: s, but on my bike I've been buzzed way too many times. It's scary as :censored: .
Should bikes have insurance? Perhaps, I'd resent paying to rike my bike, giving the insurance companies more money than they need. But also it should not automatically be the motorists fault if a careless cyclist scrapes your door (bad news mate). Perhaps a flat fee for any cyclist for a kind of insurance and tax would be fair, but then you're charging kids just to see their buddies. And it is a kind of boundary on your freedom.
Someone in this thread said something that really wound me up. "where there's accidents, there must be culpability" or words to that effect. BOLL**KS!! Can't an accident just be an accident? Sh!t happens, chains snap and you can fall off your bike. Why is someone always to blame? and then I get to the society debate.
Wasn't around 50 years ago, but yes, I think you're right that people seem to be self-obsessed, screw the rest. that applies to some of the "road is mine" statements on here. :mad: You can slow down and wait for a gap to overtake a cyclist, no probs. I do.
I'm not saying cyclist shouldn't be responsible for their actions, if the aussie thing is true, I'd say let's ave it over here. It's the best solution I've heard yet.
And one more thing to cheer people up... Take a positive point from this. I confess to my guilt - I have ridden my bike in the ways you've described. Yes I've hopped onto kerbs, I've skipped red lights onto the pavement. did it yesterday. But no more!! I'm a changed man cos of this debate. It's still ok to get off and walk in on the pavement though!
Tough one though.
Rich
Like what you have to say Rich, nice one.
What I don't get is where is the problem with bikes jumping red lights?? who cares if they hop onto kerbs? as long as they're not being a danger I don't understand why anyone would be infuriated.
All we need is for people to take care and consider what they are upto.
I think the thing in this thread that got me the most was the comment about crashing a bike into a neighbours fence and the neighbour then coming out and putting their concern in the rider welfare rather than their own fence. These days the fence would deffo come first.
People make mistakes, lets try to tolerate them - obviously don't be taken for a mug but lets not all be selfish twats either. I think we need to realise that using the road is a privelage, not a right - too many people seem to think its theirs. Some comments in this thread have me genuinely worried about what the average driver thinks of me while I'm on my bike.
Richie_Badger
11-06-2004, 11:22
I agree theory, cheers
It is basically a moral issue of being responsible for your action, and considerate of others. But when that breaks down, there's the law, and it's pretty clear on this one that the law wants changing to reflect that all road users should be responsible - cyclists included. Trouble is, who wants to pay to ride their bike? No-one.
JonnyBoy
11-06-2004, 11:30
Originaly posted by Theory
I think we need to realise that using the road is a privelage, not a right
I have to disagree on that one - after paying my road tax it becomes my right - its a privilege for bicycles as they do not pay for the upkeep of the roads which they use.
I disagree Richie.
I'm sorry but if you were driving your car and your wheel came off and you smashed into my car - are you saying I should let it slide because it was an accident? Methinks not.
You folks seem to be assuming we live in an idylic world where every one is reasonable and everyone can take the attitude "$hit happens" - That's the way things should be, sure.....but it's not and thats the whole point.
No, these days an accident can't just be an accident - and that was my whole point. Like I said, when I was akid I crashed into a caravan - and then it was put down to kids being kids and an ACCIDENT.
However, in todays world I guarantee that most people would expect the kids parents to pay.
I think we can all agree on how things should be.....but it's not how things are.
Oooh sounds like fun, where do I go to get razor fecked ???
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/ - most of the forums are fine but the ones under "Politics, protest and current affairs" can get very sweaty indeed. :rant: I love it but then I'm an argumentative git with too many opinions. :D
Also, don't miss the main site at urban75.com, it's one of the very best on the net :thumbs:
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http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/ - most of the forums are fine but the ones under "Politics, protest and current affairs" can get very sweaty indeed. :rant: I love it but then I'm an argumentative git with too many opinions. :D
Also, don't miss the main site at urban75.com, it's one of the very best on the net :thumbs:
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ta m8, signed up and ready for mass-debating (one of my favourite things) :cool:
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