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dorifter
11-05-2004, 22:29
obviously this is not car friendly as i have knocked the subframe bushes out but good fun !,view the in car camera in the vid clip called "powerslide" on my homepage(see profile)the driver in the orange silvia following the 4 door skyline is a pro jap driver and his pumping the handbrake to flick the car whilst twin drifting,if you study the in car camera footage its MAD .
everyone says dont use the handbrake but the drift bible swears by it ?
everyone says dont use the handbrake but the drift bible swears by it ?
The message I got rom the drift bible is the handbrake is great for beginners but you should try and rely on it less as you improve. But admittedly the drift king uses it a fair bit when he needs to get the arse out more or is getting understeer.
Dunc.
The message I got rom the drift bible is the handbrake is great for beginners but you should try and rely on it less as you improve. But admittedly the drift king uses it a fair bit when he needs to get the arse out more or is getting understeer.
Dunc.
Even the king wipes his own arse ;)
Mint_Sauce
12-05-2004, 00:40
and even monkeys fall out of trees :D
What have u done to knock the sub frame bushes off ? :eek: :(
Use the handbrake when u've got some good speed into the turn and then at the right point depress the clutch and at the same time pull the hand brake until you get sideways, then heel-toe downshift and let down the handbrake and feather the throttle to keep the wheels loose
the clutch isn't really a way to induce a drift, but used to prolong a drift. In the middle of the drift quickly engage and disengage the clutch This causing a jolt through the driveline and will keep the tires spinning.
The main way to use it for drifting is shift lock, brake and feint drifting, and only use the handbrake to start a drift on an odd occasion.
Using the braking to drift I would deffo say requires more speed into the turn
As u approach the bend, quickly stab the brake (this is where left foot braking comes in) to upset the weight of the car and make the rear of the car overly light, this combined with steering into the turn will bring the rear end out, and then go into counter steer and feather the throttle out of the turn.
i can't do any of this in practice and crave for more praccy time like no ones craved before :ghey:
When ade first went through all this it mangled my brain :wack: but now i get the jist :nod:
You have to bear in mind though that dorifter is a psychotic lunatic who rags his car to death!
I was just standing there laughing at Bordon at the violent antics he was using to get sideways. lol :thumbs:
I was just standing there laughing at Bordon at the violent antics he was using to get sideways. lol :thumbs:
:eek:
As FRH has said people do use it, but mainly during the corner, i watched some Japanese D1 vids from last year last night and they were definatly doing this regually.
the clutch isn't really a way to induce a drift, but used to prolong a drift. In the middle of the drift quickly engage and disengage the clutch This causing a jolt through the driveline and will keep the tires spinning.
It put be the easyest!
i can get my car side ways at 10mph 2000rpm
turn in a corner and jab the clutch :nod:
If you're sideways well before the entry point of the corner I don't know of any other way of staying sideways and scrubbing off speed at the same time other than using the handbrake. :)
Just out of interest what would you do in car like an FC RX7 in which you can't use the handbrake whilst moving?
To scrub off speed and stay sideways just correct enough to hold the slide, the action of sliding sideways slows you down.
Just get sideways, and stay sideways on as much lock as you need to keep it really sideways in what I'd call a "semi 4 wheel drift", slow down, then nail it and keep the wheels spinning through the corner.
sidewaysrob
12-05-2004, 12:48
Aston right, if you have to much speed than you should be able to scrub some off just by having the car sideways and not being on the throttle.
Bordon course was excellent for teaching brake drifting. The principle is simple, it’s all about the balance of weight, but practice is the key!
At Andover you could practise scrubbing off speed sideways at the back of the course, you had that long corner then the right left flick, on the left flick you'd be really sideways for the 90 degree corner, scrub off speed, then power through and flick into the next long corner.
I'm sure you remember which bit I mean Rob, Bordon was similar but not as tight so you didn't end up with such a tight, full lock, no throttle sideways slow-down.
sidewaysrob
12-05-2004, 13:00
Yeah I remember the Andover one.
Personally I felt that the Bordon course was better. The straight bit coming past the pit’s into the right, left then very tight right was excellent.
Having a :ghey: open diff meant that I had to break drift around the first right hander, then hold the speak whilst flicking into the left hand bend. Then a much harder flick for the tight right, getting on the power at the right time, and pulling it through to the long left hander.
I got it down by the end of the day :thumbs: , but the MR2 doesn’t allow much room for error and I found that part of the course very technical.
It’s all about fun though. I tried several different lines through all the bends. It’s a shame that the tyres didn’t last longer, as soon as I was getting the rhythm of the course I had to comein and change tyres :annoyed:
Just out of interest what would you do in car like an FC RX7 in which you can't use the handbrake whilst moving?
Why can't you use the handbrake on that car? Is it on the front wheels?
Dunc.
Yeah the first right hander required brake drifting for me, except for ONCE where I came out of the last right hander, 2nd gear kissing the limiter, flicked slightly left then back right again. I think that was when you were on board actually Rob.
Most of the time though it would just run out of revs in 2nd, couldn't keep the wheels spinning, catch then brake drift into the first corner.
Driftaholic
12-05-2004, 13:38
Use the handbrake when u've got some good speed into the turn and then at the right point depress the clutch and at the same time pull the hand brake until you get sideways, then heel-toe downshift and let down the handbrake and feather the throttle to keep the wheels loose
Watch Non. He always uses the handbrake to start a drift! And he wins a lot so he should know. There are so many ways to start a drift that it's impossible teach over the net. The drift bible is just a guide. There are tons of techniques. Drifting is really only a combination of racing and rallying so read a rally book or watch a video like "The Vattanen Touch".
the clutch isn't really a way to induce a drift, but used to prolong a drift.
Clutch isn't a way to start a drift? Course it is! It's the main way!! Easiest way, and most predicatable as you're fully in control. Power over and other techniques rely on you knowing your car 100%. If you are new to drifting, clutch kick is the first thing to be practicing. Even when you're a fully fledged "drifter" you'll still be using clutch kick most of the time. If I want to start a drift I either use a scandinavian flick (feint), or a clutch kick.
The main way to use it for drifting is shift lock, brake and feint drifting, and only use the handbrake to start a drift on an odd occasion.
Nope, don't agree there either. Shift lock is bad to use in the dry for a start, as it puts lots of stress on the car. Secondly shift lock would only be used on slower corners. Do you think it would work on the 1st corner at Silverstone? Nope! Shift lock would be only really used shifting down from 3rd to second then you would either full throttle or clutch kick to get it out more!
Using the braking to drift I would deffo say requires more speed into the turn
As u approach the bend, quickly stab the brake (this is where left foot braking comes in) to upset the weight of the car and make the rear of the car overly light, this combined with steering into the turn will bring the rear end out, and then go into counter steer and feather the throttle out of the turn.
Doubt this will be used in England much. How would you use this in the real world? How many corners would you use this technique? Practically none. Brake drift isn't really show-off drifting either. It's mainly a racing (fast) drift technique and rarely used in competition drifting. I would use braking drift in this scenario....coming down a straight in 4th gear, slow down slightly and change into 3rd, then turn in hard and trail brake with your left foot. You really need to upset the balance of the car though. This isn't a beginner technique, so don't try it on the road!
Right, rant over! If you're learnign to drift just get out there and practice! Find a private roundabout...practice drifting the actual roundabout first, mainly 2nd gear. Then as you get more confident practice handbraking or flicking into the roundabout, then doing a lap, then flicking out back onto a straight etc. When I first started I used to practice like this and it taught me a lot.
Why can't you use the handbrake on that car? Is it on the front wheels?
Dunc.
if you yank it when the car is moving it doesn`t do anything :wack:
if you yank it when the car is moving it doesn`t do anything :wack:
Ah, its just shite then? Or is it designed that way? (spoiling our fun :( )
Dunc.
Use the handbrake when u've got some good speed into the turn and then at the right point depress the clutch and at the same time pull the hand brake until you get sideways, then heel-toe downshift and let down the handbrake and feather the throttle to keep the wheels loose
Watch Non. He always uses the handbrake to start a drift! And he wins a lot so he should know. There are so many ways to start a drift that it's impossible teach over the net. The drift bible is just a guide. There are tons of techniques. Drifting is really only a combination of racing and rallying so read a rally book or watch a video like "The Vattanen Touch".
the clutch isn't really a way to induce a drift, but used to prolong a drift.
Clutch isn't a way to start a drift? Course it is! It's the main way!! Easiest way, and most predicatable as you're fully in control. Power over and other techniques rely on you knowing your car 100%. If you are new to drifting, clutch kick is the first thing to be practicing. Even when you're a fully fledged "drifter" you'll still be using clutch kick most of the time. If I want to start a drift I either use a scandinavian flick (feint), or a clutch kick.
The main way to use it for drifting is shift lock, brake and feint drifting, and only use the handbrake to start a drift on an odd occasion.
Nope, don't agree there either. Shift lock is bad to use in the dry for a start, as it puts lots of stress on the car. Secondly shift lock would only be used on slower corners. Do you think it would work on the 1st corner at Silverstone? Nope! Shift lock would be only really used shifting down from 3rd to second then you would either full throttle or clutch kick to get it out more!
Using the braking to drift I would deffo say requires more speed into the turn
As u approach the bend, quickly stab the brake (this is where left foot braking comes in) to upset the weight of the car and make the rear of the car overly light, this combined with steering into the turn will bring the rear end out, and then go into counter steer and feather the throttle out of the turn.
Doubt this will be used in England much. How would you use this in the real world? How many corners would you use this technique? Practically none. Brake drift isn't really show-off drifting either. It's mainly a racing (fast) drift technique and rarely used in competition drifting. I would use braking drift in this scenario....coming down a straight in 4th gear, slow down slightly and change into 3rd, then turn in hard and trail brake with your left foot. You really need to upset the balance of the car though. This isn't a beginner technique, so don't try it on the road!
Right, rant over! If you're learnign to drift just get out there and practice! Find a private roundabout...practice drifting the actual roundabout first, mainly 2nd gear. Then as you get more confident practice handbraking or flicking into the roundabout, then doing a lap, then flicking out back onto a straight etc. When I first started I used to practice like this and it taught me a lot.
Very helpful attitude :rolleyes:
As a stated james - i was learning and have been and this is what i grasped so far logical terms not driving as i explained.
But yes thank you for your understanding and help - think i just learned to keep myself to myself - maybe a lesson i should have learned from ade a long time ago................
sidewaysrob
12-05-2004, 14:53
FRH, don't take James the wrong way. He is a very experienced drifter, who knows what he is talking about.
Don't keep yourself to yourself either. You have done excellent work organising venues (too far North for me :( ) and your activity on this site is great.
Personally I think every driver has their own technique that works for them. Most of us are new to this, and are still learning. Idea's and hints are always usefull to those that are learning!
dorifter
12-05-2004, 21:26
its all gone pete tong,no one listen to james he is ghey at drifting anyways
No, don't get upset at driftaholic, as he appears to know what he's talking about, :nod: (I have to agree, as clutch kick and handbrake are the ways I start my drifts :D )
I don't think he was trying to be unhelpful, so please don't take it the wrong way.
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