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If you guys can find the time, if you are living in London,
Please Please Please
Vote for Steven Norris rather than Red Ken, because of the following:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/londonnews/articles/10451490?source=Evening%20Standard
He seems to favour more facilities for car users - and scrapping the C***Charge as well...
Seeing as I have been clocked twice allegedly - I am also not paying them and appealing.. I didnt consent to the scheme, nor to being photographed, nor to having to pay to drive somewhere when I pay road tax for the whole of the UK...
So - please please everyone, dont waste your vote - vote Norris and kick Ken in! :notworthy thanks everyone!
I live just outside it
sadly everyone I know is like 'go ken go'
even my cousin, who I kicked in the shins for being a stupid lefty muppet :)
If I lived in London, which I don't, I'd definately vote for Ken. One of the last old school lefties.
As for the congestion charge, it seems fair enough to me in principle.
There was a woman on telly the other day moaning about how much it cost to take her kids to school. Well, why didn't she
a) walk (lazy moose - the school wasn't more than 20 mins walk away)
b) car share. get a parent with an MPV to load 7 kids at a time and share the cost between all parents. Therefore, you only pay the CC once every 7 or so days. But NO! Mummy must take her one child to school in her own car! She must not consider car sharing! No! Mummy is too important to do this! :rolleyes: Bloody school run mums.
When I lived in London I never used the car, only when I was driving to some where out side of London did it move.
Used to realy wind me up when walking to and from the tubes station where I worked passed a whole road or 2 of stationary cars all with there engines running. :mad:
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
I know your a wee bit of a leftie... but I dont care about the political orientation of the candidates - its the policies - you DO know the C***charge has turned a profit for Capita, but the scheme was set up on the proviso that the money generated would be plowed back into London public transport...
Well it hasnt - it has been stolen and fudged. Like all Tony Bliar approved bright ideas...
Still think its a good idea? Its a rip off - like paying £2 for a central zone one trip ticket on London underground. They keep putting up prices more than 50% over inflation each year - but the service keeps getting worse.
I could go on - but Ken is throttling London, and motorists.
If I were a terrorist, I would exploit the Traflager square botched choke point and leave some scrap cars (unregistered nach..) there in the traffic flow - that would then back up and freeze london transport totally - stupid bus lanes and all!! It would back out to the M4 within an hour....
Not that I would advocate such a practice to illustrate how pathetic Red Ken's schemes are..
I agree with idiot School run mums being a pain in the arse. I had to walk or cycle to school. Or catch the bus. Mummy in her off road vehicle (why, in london? She cant even drive the thing or park it properly...) dropping little timmy off is just contributing to people in the south east thinking the world owes them something on a silver plate...
Honestly though - all of the other schemes to screw the motorist in London you wouldnt believe!! And it is not as if Ken provides an alternative. Wheres my refund on the road tax then, if I pay a charge to use the centre of London?
Last time I called them up, they couldnt tell me if I had actually used their service (i.e. driven into a C**** charge corner of the zone) "until a penalty notice is issued sir"
"Can I speak to a supervisor please"
"No sir there arent any"
"So you cant verify if I went through a section of London or not, so I can pay you £5 just now if you want - IF you can tell me I have used your service?"
"Not until you get a penalty fine sir"
:annoyed: :rant:
Codemonkey
27-04-2004, 11:41
If I lived in London, which I don't, I'd definately vote for Ken. One of the last old school lefties.
As for the congestion charge, it seems fair enough to me in principle.
There was a woman on telly the other day moaning about how much it cost to take her kids to school. Well, why didn't she
a) walk (lazy moose - the school wasn't more than 20 mins walk away)
b) car share. get a parent with an MPV to load 7 kids at a time and share the cost between all parents. Therefore, you only pay the CC once every 7 or so days. But NO! Mummy must take her one child to school in her own car! She must not consider car sharing! No! Mummy is too important to do this! :rolleyes: Bloody school run mums.
Gotta agree with you about the school run there Leon.. :) And I'll bet it wasn't mummy's car either, it'll be mummy's fcuk off big Mitsubishi LandStomper.
The congestion charge, as you say, is a good idea in principle. However, the implementation stinks - it's just an extra tax at the moment, because most people can just about afford to pay it. Yaay, yet another revenue source.
If it were really supposed to be to stop cars going into London, make it fifty quid. But oh, wait, most people wouldn't be able to afford that, and so would not drive into London. In spite of this being the stated aim of the congestion charge, there wouldn't be the extra revenue generated...
Well they are doing some thing right with the public transport in London as its the only place in the contry where usage is actualy going up. Ever where elce its going down coz it sucks conpard to the bus's and the tube in london. I could belive had bad the busses arearound here compared to london. And they are cheaper there too :eek:
am i right in thinking that certain people don't have to pay? teachers, council workers, doctors etc?
am i right in thinking that certain people don't have to pay? teachers, council workers, doctors etc?
AFAIK everyone has to pay. Even those people that have been given the freedom of the city :wack:
Duff Man
27-04-2004, 12:24
If you guys can find the time, if you are living in London,
Please Please Please
Vote for Steven Norris rather than Red Ken, because of the following:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/londonnews/articles/10451490?source=Evening%20Standard
He seems to favour more facilities for car users - and scrapping the C***Charge as well...
Seeing as I have been clocked twice allegedly - I am also not paying them and appealing.. I didnt consent to the scheme, nor to being photographed, nor to having to pay to drive somewhere when I pay road tax for the whole of the UK...
So - please please everyone, dont waste your vote - vote Norris and kick Ken in! :notworthy thanks everyone!
Are you that f**king gullible, he is a polititian and they make up elaborate pledges to get voted in :rolleyes:
If you are within the congestion charging zone between the hours it operates then you are obliged to pay the toll or face the penalty, others do so why shouldn't you? London's road's are heavily congested and it is a beneficial scheme to dissuade the number of 'non essential' vehicles whilst improving the public transport services (busses cost ~£200k to buy, who is gonna pay for them, who is going to drive them, who is going to train the drivers... takes money ya know... now multiply that up and think how much it must cost to maintain the existing service let alone try to improve upon it).
I find it easy to get around london using the tube and bus, its more hassle to take a car + you have to find somewhere to park.
Even TfL have to pay the CC on their vehicles.
I go into London fairly regulary on business. Taking the trains isn't an option because it's not particularly reliable, it's difficult to do any work and carry laptops and other luggage about and it's fecking expensive. Therefore I go by car. Before the conjestion charge that meant spending hours in tedious jams around central London. Now it means I can hand over £5 and get to were I want relatively stress free, and there's a good chance of finding somewhere handy to park as well. I don't particularly like Ken Livingstone, but from what I've seen the conjestion charge is a bloody good idea. If I lived within the charge zone I think I'd also be well pleased that my local roads were now freed up from a large proportion of all the shit.
As regards paying the charge, if you use the roads pays it. No point whinging about it, everyone gets treated equally, that's what a democracy's all about.
Martin T
27-04-2004, 13:10
The congestion charge is great. Its done wonders for the traffic in london. It stops totally selfish use of the car by certain groups of people exemplified by the mums in their child killers that they feel nice and safe in :mad:
Public transport in London is adequate to get from most points in London to most other points. I think the infrastructure over the rest of the country needs to be improved aswell for public transport. End result - when I get to use my car about once a week the roads wont be full of people driving their kids to school!
No point whinging about it, everyone gets treated equally, that's what a democracy's all about.
That sounded almost socialist! :eek:
Most people here seem to think the congestion charge is a good thing.
But congestion has just been shifted elsewhere - and journey times are not that much quicker in practice. And the revenue has not been plowed back into the transport infrastructure at all.
So what was the point? Its just another tax. Red Ken also wants to tax council tax even more, to pay for transport infrastructure improvement in general in London.
Err... wasnt that the point of the road tax, and the congestion charge, and petrol tax and car VAT and everything else...?
Bunch of slack jawed.... around here in my opinion... I didnt know there were either a) a lot of apathetic voters or b) lefties...
Ah well - disagree all you like - the reality is its a con.
The principle might be reasonable - something DOES have to be done about the parlous state of London transport - so why not spend all the money and things on making the tube work, on time, and cheaper so it is competitive - and (gasp) dare I say it, run 24 hours?
I have to say - even I wouldnt drive around in the evenings or weekends in London if that were the case (except to annoy German car owners...)
Martin T
27-04-2004, 13:30
Most people here seem to think the congestion charge is a good thing.
But congestion has just been shifted elsewhere - and journey times are not that much quicker in practice. And the revenue has not been plowed back into the transport infrastructure at all.
So what was the point? Its just another tax. Red Ken also wants to tax council tax even more, to pay for transport infrastructure improvement in general in London.
Err... wasnt that the point of the road tax, and the congestion charge, and petrol tax and car VAT and everything else...?
Bunch of slack jawed.... around here in my opinion... I didnt know there were either a) a lot of apathetic voters or b) lefties...
Ah well - disagree all you like - the reality is its a con.
The principle might be reasonable - something DOES have to be done about the parlous state of London transport - so why not spend all the money and things on making the tube work, on time, and cheaper so it is competitive - and (gasp) dare I say it, run 24 hours?
I have to say - even I wouldnt drive around in the evenings or weekends in London if that were the case (except to annoy German car owners...)
Done get me worng - Ken is a twat, but the congestion charge is a necessary evil as now any twat and his dog can buy and use a car as they are so cheep. People will allways be selfish, so things like this are required to discourage people from taking the p1ss
I am not that gullible, thanks - Norris is the only one who is also going to cut the hundreds of pointless bureaucrats that seem to be generated by Labour and lefties. I think this is a good thing.
I know you can only tell a politician lies when his lips move of course they are all bad - but some are more bad than others..... Red Ken being one!
But I live IN london, and just grumpy because I have pay 30 a month to keep my car outside my own mews... in resident fees! And I am not blocking any road either.
And no I cant move because my line of work is basically only in london or Washington more or less... when I start getting paid a wack more then I will shut up about london being a rip off...
I hope you guys outside london dont get a congestion charging scheme coming to a town near you -
Capita RAS have already begun external consultations for implementing similar schemes, in other UK cities and towns.
They have made so much profit from the London scheme (not re-invested into London transport thank you very much mwah ha ha ah ahahaha) that they are tendering themselves as "consultants specialising in the implementation of city driving charge schemes"
So all you lefties outside london... stick that in your reactionary pipes... :smash: its hammer time!
Anyone got any other ideas what can be done?
Move outa london and change carrear... thats what I did.... can changed from a manky MKII Astra to a 200sx :thumbs:
gaz.thomas
27-04-2004, 13:51
If you think the public transport in London is shocking you should try getting out and about in the provinces mate...
And bring the congestion charge into Brum. Please.
Gaz
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But I live IN london, and just grumpy because I have pay 30 a month to keep my car outside my own mews... in resident fees! And I am not blocking any road either.
And no I cant move because my line of work is basically only in london or Washington more or less... when I start getting paid a wack more then I will shut up about london being a rip off...
I hope you guys outside london dont get a congestion charging scheme coming to a town near you -
Capita RAS have already begun external consultations for implementing similar schemes, in other UK cities and towns.
They have made so much profit from the London scheme (not re-invested into London transport thank you very much mwah ha ha ah ahahaha) that they are tendering themselves as "consultants specialising in the implementation of city driving charge schemes"
So all you lefties outside london... stick that in your reactionary pipes... :smash: its hammer time!
Anyone got any other ideas what can be done?
you know what the answer is, don't you?
Get a vehicle that is exempt from the CC. There are quite a few of them around now, and some are really good.
Or a bike (I think bikes are exempt although I am fully willing to accept that I may be wrong).
Basically, if you have to live in London (by your own admission) and you choose to drive a vehicle rather than tube/bus it everywhere. What is more, you choose to drive a vehicle that is eligable for CC.
Go get a car/bike that bypasses the charge and stop moaning. Please.
Oh and the comment about bureaucrats - indeed. Which is why 150,000 civil service jobs are being axed by this Government (sure it is 150k, although its been a long time since I saw the figures so that could be out).
Or a bike (I think bikes are exempt although I am fully willing to accept that I may be wrong).
You're not wrong.
:)
for once... ;) just teasing.. hey you moan all the time in the non - 200sx section - how come I cant now and again!!
Anyways - good suggestion - anyone know of any ideas to REDUCE the engine size and output of the 200sx so it complys with the "congestion" haha tax scheme? No I cant change over to LNG because Gordon Brown is now starting to charge it the same as petrol and diesel. And he is also removing the "Green" incentives scheme for conversions. Way to go Labour - even your green credentials get chopped in the rush to tax something else...
Aha - anyone ever fitted a milk float engine into a 200?
:confused:
I hope you guys outside london dont get a congestion charging scheme coming to a town near you -
Well round my way we have the M6 Toll road, which I gladly pay 2 quid a time for to avoid the car park that is the M6 between Junctions 11 and 7 most week days. The toll road has even helped reduce the dreadful M6 problem to some extent and certainly helped reduce congestion on the surrounding A and B roads.
In France all Motorways are tolled. Result is that there are fewer lorries and very few holdups.
There's a lot to be said in favour of road pricing, provided it is carried out correctly.
I actually agree with JB???
But then.. they dont pay road tax. £168 would pay for a lot of road tolls.... and they pay HALF as much tax on fuel as we do....
and they have better roads? and their cars and insurance cost less?
But yes - on balance - much as I feel a bit weird and violated to say so... I do agree with JB :D
Martin T
27-04-2004, 20:57
But then.. they dont pay road tax. £168 would pay for a lot of road tolls.... and they pay HALF as much tax on fuel as we do....
You purchased fuel in france recently? They do not pay half as much tax. Less but not half as much.
No not since before the 2000 protests unfortunately - I just checked - I exaggerated slightly ;) ... 10-20p less per litre than us - Diesel is though WAY cheaper across the board - remember the majority of road miles put in are from diesel users (freight, taxis, rural drivers etc)..
Yeah well I agree with taxing petrol to an extent - but not as much as we have. What should happen I agree with JB on this, is that petrol is tax free, there is no road tax, but we get taxed according to how much we use the car - i.e. motorway taxes. But theres a problem - whatabout rural car users..
Its all complicated and there must be some other way of regulating car use other than Gordon continually adding stealth taxes on road users and offering incentives to councils for fines on road offences etc.
I guess there will always be people who suffer more than most - fuel tax is a bit of a blunt weapon... especially when your in a 200sx... :nod:
just on fuel tax (train of thread derailment!)
one of the reasons government loves to keep fuel tax so high is because it gives them greater control over fuel pricing. (in addition to making a ****load of money)
so when the extremist arabs blow up their oil wells, government can lower the taxation on the now higher base fuel cost, and tada, it has minimal impact on the economy, but gordon brown can't afford to sponsor the new modern art gallery full of art containing the word '****'.
What should happen I agree with JB on this, is that petrol is tax free, there is no road tax, but we get taxed according to how much we use the car - i.e. motorway taxes. But theres a problem - whatabout rural car users..
That's not what I said.
I think that there is a place for conjestion charging, on suitable roads.
I believe that the road fund licence should be scrapped and instead (like it is in France) an increase in the tax on petrol be made to cover it, that way you only pay for what you use.
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