Can you drift on a 'Standard Diff'?

[John_P]

Ie non LSD? Or is it not worth me even trying until I get an LSD?

Cheers!

[voodoo_melon]

Yes, it's just a lot more difficult. A mechanical lsd is best as viscous lsds (standard 200sx lsds) get hot and the goop inside them get's to thin to work properly, so they turn into open diffs as they heat up :wack:

[dorifter]

does the same go for 14a diff,please?

[voodoo_melon]

Yep, all standard 200sx lsds are viscous which get worse as they get hot. You can uprate the viscous part of the diff to make it a lot easier to lock, Newclearbomb has tested one and afaik it worked well.

[frx1]

2 dorifter: that's what i want to know also.

2 all: do you know if i could put a s14a ('99year) vlsd on s13 ('90) ?

i searched, but didn't find that combination. since my connectings (where the bolts go) are different than s14a's.

[Matt_T]

yes, S14 diff will go into an S13. thats what I've got, do a search for info.

and no, I wouldn't bother trying to drift with an open diff. can't do jack in the dry and even in the wet theres not alot can be done:(

[sham]

does this mean an open diff is potentially safer for fast road use..

I realise a vlsd will be more predictable when it does go but surely an open diff will make the car much less tail happy and safer for roundabout hooning.

[arry]

it doesnt mean that it will increase grip - it just means that you wont be able to sustain a drift

[Matt_T]

having even the VLSD makes the car grip better when not drifting, and more predictable when you are. no reason not to have one really! and anyway, why wouldn't you want to go sideways on a roundabout?

[JaPPster]

:wave:

funny, but I can drift, with open diff;) :D

[sham]

surely it will increase grip in the event that you put too much power down on a corner... cos one tyre will grip hopefully keeping the back from kerbing mode rather than both spinning and bent wheel...

[voodoo_melon]

With an lsd though you wouldn't waste all the power through the spinning wheel. If you have enough power down to spin the inside wheel but not the outside (because the weights on it) then an lsd would be better.

[sham]

I get your point but surely its better to waste excess power rather than kick the back end out if you step on the gas too early?

Its not like my back end is perfectly behaved -it snakes like a goodun if i floor it in the wet Im just worried if I fit a vlsd Ill join the ranks of the ongoing ***** vs lampost war...and we arent getting many victories lol..

[Captain Muppet]

Lotus Esprit V8 twin turbos had 350bhp, rwd and no LSD - they obviously think an open diff is safer for road use...

[James]

if you put own enough power to spin one wheel with an open diff, you will spin one wheel
if you put down enough power to spin one wheel with an LSD, it will provide grip and not spin any wheels
if you put own enough power to spin 2 wheels with an open diff, you may find you only spin one wheel, but really quickly
if you put down enough power to spin 2 wheels with an LSD, you will spin 2 wheels

Noone is saying you can't drift with a LSD, just that it is much harder if not impossible to hold a decent long drift in the dry without one.
Even a standard VLSD is much better than an open diff although the difference between a standard VLSD and an uprated aftermerket one is very noticeable when you're drifting.

S14 and S14a diffs are essentially the same. There are some subtle differences with the internals, but not that will cause you any concerns with fitting to an S13. You just need to make sure you get the 2 bolts and the bushes that mount it to the car at the propshaft end

[Wak]

Originally posted by Captain Muppet
Lotus Esprit V8 twin turbos had 350bhp, rwd and no LSD - they obviously think an open diff is safer for road use...

Either that or they couldn't be arsed/couldn't find an LSD that would fit. Don't forget the Esprit (and all Lotus to some degree) is essentially a kit car. It used to use the door handles from a Marina and the gearbox is Renault or something I think.

[PazzaAE86]

Originally posted by Wak
Either that or they couldn't be arsed/couldn't find an LSD that would fit. Don't forget the Esprit (and all Lotus to some degree) is essentially a kit car. It used to use the door handles from a Marina and the gearbox is Renault or something I think.

And the rear lights off an AE86. Honest to god.

Paz

[dorifter]

Either that or they couldn't be arsed/couldn't find an LSD that would fit. Don't forget the Esprit (and all Lotus to some degree) is essentially a kit car. It used to use the door handles from a Marina and the gearbox is Renault or something I think.

also remember NOBLES changed to lsd after first model came without also bmw m3 z coupe (scimitar on steroids)comes standard with open diff, WHY,i changed my early s13 diff to a s14a,hit a tree testing it ,only been fitted for 5 mins,the inside wheel resistence defo holds you back for drifting but can assist you in road driving if not then someone please tell why do the manufacturers chop and change

[frx1]

tnx NewClearBomb for info. i got another Q. since my mate did buy a Hachi '86y, we did disasembled it to pieces, and he offered me LSD. Do you think it can be modified to mount on s13?
or should i ask PazzaAE86.

[James]

anything is possible, but it I suspect converting it to fit would be quite a big job :smash:

[Captain Muppet]

Either that or they couldn't be arsed/couldn't find an LSD that would fit. Don't forget the Esprit (and all Lotus to some degree) is essentially a kit car. It used to use the door handles from a Marina and the gearbox is Renault or something I think.

:rolleyes: The Sport 300 Esprit had Lotus's own design of LSD as it was designed for track use. It's not that they couldn't be arsed, it just that for road use they decided a LSD wasn't the right thing for the car.

Lotus are an international engineering consultancy who do ride and handling work for a lot of the big manufacturers. They also design and engineer powertrains and complete vehicles for other manufacturers.

The Esprit is not and has never been a kit car.

[Bayside Blue]

how much do they cost? :)