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Spanish Dorikin
09-12-2003, 17:52
IMHO this awesome technique makes the difference between REAL drifting (drive all time beyond grip limits) and FAKE drifting (aka good skills doing powerslide).

SA is something Ive been trying and practicing since I bought my car 3 months ago. Last trackday was the ideal situation to do (try) it. :nod:

The best I achieved was a (more or less) unexpected SA during hard braking in the top of third gear approaching to a tricky right double-bend. The car rotated very fast and I let the steering to full opposite lock , then grabbed again. The speed in that moment was about 80 mph (I know it because I looked at the speedo in that moment). Note that I had 3 bars at the rear wheels. :D

I had drifted for years with my GTI 1.9, but no at such speeds. The feeling of the car was just superb, and she kept that angle for about 25-30 metres. During the drift I lost a lot of speed and, by the time I recovered (softly) from sideways, I was doing 50 mph at the proper entrance point.

Problem was, the car was still in third, with engine out of the turbo action range. Bad way of loosing a good show. :annoyed:
The weight transfer had been very fast but smooth and the corner entry just brilliant.



Later, analyzing with more calm the situation, I realized what (IMO) I should have done to complete a REAL drift corner entry:

1) I should had inserted second gear during the SA and kept the clutch down, waiting for the point where the car starts to recover grip.

2) Once the car had started to recover grip due to the reduced speed and the corner entry was near, I should had used handbrake to forced keeping the oversteer and, at the same time, making the car turn into the bend.

3) In that moment I was supossed to released the clutch an apply gas in the right amount to make a regular powerslide corner exit.



A japanese amateur drifter has told my that he has seen (live, me in video) D1 pros doing SA at the top of forth gear... thats about 110-120 mph!!!!!!! :eek:
He said that this is possible due to a very special car setup (and of course due to awesome skills!); one of those D1 cars will understeer like hell in normal driving, he said.

What do you think guys about SA? Has anyone more information about it?


P.S: Sorry if my english is crap sometimes...

Spanish Dorikin
09-12-2003, 18:04
BTW, I will post some pics of that trackday asap.
I have a nice short small video showing a perfect example of SA with an S14 (japanese driver of course), I will try to post it too. :thumbs:

dunc
09-12-2003, 18:25
Originally posted by Spanish Dorikin
I will try to post it too. :thumbs:

Yes please, 3 Bar is a bit greedy tho :D

Midgers
09-12-2003, 18:53
Good skills :notworthy :thumbs:
Your idea of what you should have done sounds exactly like what I try to do :D:D

FullMetalGasket
09-12-2003, 23:35
Please excuse me if I'm being a bit thick:o
But do you mean drifting the car under braking? Getting the back end very light and loose under braking into corners?
SA doesn't mean nowt to me at the moment:confused:
If thats what you're refering to then you've just cheered me up no end:D
As that's what I was doing at the last track day I went to, admitedly not at the same speeds or quite as sideways:rolleyes: but it's atleast a start.
Especially as it felt perfectly natural at the time:nod:

PulsatingStar
09-12-2003, 23:47
No he means already having it sideways like 100 metres before the start of the bend, not just going in sideways on the brakes.

Lee

yeager
09-12-2003, 23:50
VIDEO!! i gotta see your vids

FullMetalGasket
09-12-2003, 23:51
Ah Ok, I need more work then:)

Spanish Dorikin
09-12-2003, 23:51
And finally:

1) Me trying to simulate (hard to emulate) Taniguchi-1: http://perso.wanadoo.es/puntatacon/Buena4.JPG

2) Me trying to simulate (hard to emulate) Taniguchi-2: http://perso.wanadoo.es/puntatacon/Buena2.JPG

3) Graphic definition of Sideways Approach (Slow):
http://perso.wanadoo.es/puntatacon/S14_SIDEWAYSAPPROACH.MPEG

4) Graphic definition of Sideways Approach (Fast):
http://perso.wanadoo.es/puntatacon/SA2.AVI

5) This is what, IMHO, is REAL DRIFTING (Youre the one and only Nomuken):
http://perso.wanadoo.es/puntatacon/D1_TANAKA_VS_NOMUKEN.WMV


Enjoy :ghey:

Spanish Dorikin
09-12-2003, 23:52
Originally posted by PulsatingStar
No he means already having it sideways like 100 metres before the start of the bend, not just going in sideways on the brakes.

Lee


You got it !!! :D

FullMetalGasket
09-12-2003, 23:56
Cool Pics, :thumbs:
I defo want to try this:nod:

And :notworthy to the jap driver!

Spanish Dorikin
10-12-2003, 00:02
Originally posted by FullMetalGasket

And :notworthy to the jap driver!


The funny point is that I think he is an "amateur" japanese driver :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I want to own that "amateur" skills one day :cry: :cry: :cry:

Actually I will be glad having the powerslide skills of Pahtty, he is very smooth as far as Ive seen on his vids :nod:

dunc
10-12-2003, 00:18
Spanish Dorkin, how much bhp have you got?

Cheers,

Dunc.

Spanish Dorikin
10-12-2003, 00:22
Stock at the mo, so I supposed about 200 bhp :cry: ,
thats just why I need the magic of 3 bars at the rear :nod:

Genjuro
10-12-2003, 00:22
Those pictures are damn cool. It makes me want to go drifting so much, its actually irritating now i think about drifting 24/7 and yet haven't even been yet. :cry:

I need to sell my gf so i can buy a drift car i think.