View Full Version : Engineers - Rant
Jeffers_S13
24-11-2003, 16:46
Right, rendering myself open myself to much flamage here and deffo much criticism, but here goes anyway with my rant cos it really annoyed me.
Was listening to Mark and Lard on way home on Friday, a guy comes on and announces he is an Engineer, when asked further, turns out he fixes washing machines :mad: so hes NOT an engineer then, hes a 'washing machine repair man'.
Similar jobs inculde TV Engineer, Vending machine Engineer (they visit our works vendors), Refuse collection Engineer...the list goes on, I expect we'll be seeing Big-Mac Engineers appearing soon.
Does this pi$$ any other 'Engineers' off ? ? or just me ? ? I know there is a fair few who frequent this forum.
So it now sounds like Im a pompous arrogant git with a chip on my shoulder...not too far from the truth then actually :p
Originally posted by Jeffers_S13
Similar jobs inculde TV Engineer,
Kev, will ban you for that!
It just means we have to add other titles to our jobs, like Design Engineer, Mechanical Engineer etc etc
When will it end tho???
Dunc.
gaz.thomas
24-11-2003, 16:52
Refuse collection Engineer. Better than Garbologist...
Sideways Danny
24-11-2003, 16:59
i've always called myself a Technician, Tried to disassociate from the engineers:D :D :D :D :D
Codemonkey
24-11-2003, 16:59
Heh... my Dad would probably buy you a pint for that little rant - he was a design engineer, and would often go off on one when someone called themselves a television engineer or such like.
Jeffers_S13
24-11-2003, 17:01
Originally posted by sideways danny
i've always called myself a Technician, Tried to disassociate from the engineers:D :D :D :D :D
Fair comment :thumbs:
Probably related to the fact that if you look up 'Civil Engineers' in Yellow Pages its says 'SEE BORING'...
...think about it. :D
I did a mechanical engineering degree when anybody asked what I was studying I would say Mech Eng and they would say
oh you want to repair cars do you :annoyed: :rant:
I lived with a few engineers at Uni - they'd be proud of that rant Jeffers :)
I was a software test engineer - nothing whatsoever to do with engineering really ........... :rolleyes:
gaz.thomas
24-11-2003, 17:13
Originally posted by docwra
I was a software test engineer - nothing whatsoever to do with engineering really ........... :rolleyes:
My first software job title was "Product Support Engineer"
Feck all to do with engineering or support :rolleyes:
Gaz
-x-
engineer n .... 2. a person who repairs and maintains mechanical or electrical devices
engineering n the profession of applying scientific principles to the design and construction or engines, cars, buildings, bridges, roads and electrical machines.
That said, I do agree. Apparently according to my job title I'm an engineer, but I'm not, I work in IT.
Originally posted by Martin
oh you want to repair cars do you :annoyed: :rant:
Harsh.
Originally posted by Martin
oh you want to repair cars do you :annoyed: :rant:
and then you bought a 200...
/hides\
Well i used to be a Temperature controlled product relocation engineer....
i used to deliver pizza's............
What is it with giving crap jobs new fangled titles.....
As people might say, "a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet...."
same principle applies do dog $hite, you can call it cute & fluffy, but it will still smell of cr@p......
Originally posted by RCS
same principle applies do dog $hite, you can call it cute & fluffy, but it will still smell of cr@p......
fluffy?
furry perhaps if it's left in one place for too long... but never fluffy...
or is "fluffy" what you call the g/'s cat to make it sound like you really like the thing when in fact you mean something entirely different?
Originally posted by Starionman, aka Ponyman, aka Pedantic b:censored:d
fluffy?
furry perhaps if it's left in one place for too long... but never fluffy...
or is "fluffy" what you call the g/'s cat to make it sound like you really like the thing when in fact you mean something entirely different?
:rant:
;) :D
Sideways Danny
24-11-2003, 17:47
Engineer = person who says what needs doing and how they want it done
Technician = person who deciphers the scribbly sketch on a fag packet, decided it wont work, changes the spec so it'll work and lets the engineer get the credit with management
Originally posted by sideways danny
Engineer = person who says what needs doing and how they want it done
Technician = person who deciphers the scribbly sketch on a fag packet, decided it wont work, changes the spec so it'll work and lets the engineer get the credit with management
:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
Duff Man
24-11-2003, 17:56
I'm a Traffic Control Engineer :D
(But to be fair it does involve the application of scientific and mathematical principles to model congestion/traffic flow and the design and implementation of schemes to improve traffic flow).
V.interesting job so far :)
Sideways Danny
24-11-2003, 17:56
:D :D :D :D :D
Originally posted by sideways danny
Engineer = person who says what needs doing and how they want it done
Technician = person who deciphers the scribbly sketch on a fag packet, decided it wont work, changes the spec so it'll work and lets the engineer get the credit with management
PMSL :D :D :D :notworthy
Dave
Originally posted by sideways danny
:D :D :D :D :D
Git:smash: :smash: :D
Originally posted by dunc
:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
I'll see your :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
and raise you :furious: :furious: :annoyed: :furious: :furious:
:D
The other side to Danny's post is when the technician changes the spec because it's easier for him to make then the thing doesn't work and the designer gets his arse kicked by the management :nod:
With all respect to people who have job titles that feature "engineer" they aren't:no: An engineer is a person who has a proper qualification in an engineering disciplin eg mechanical, structural etc, not a City and Guilds in plumbing. You may also notice that engineers are unable to spell disciplin :nod:
Originally posted by Wak
The other side to Danny's post is when the technician changes the spec because it's easier for him to make then the thing doesn't work and the designer gets his arse kicked by the management :nod:
:nod: :thumbs:
John Bennett
25-11-2003, 00:36
I'm an a electronic engineer, but friends still think I can fix televisions (despite my protests).
The fact I've knacked most of them beyond any possible repair whatsoever hasn't sunk in yet.:smash:
Oddly enough I always manage to fix my own TV's though ;) .
I would have thought the technicians would do their own sketches on fag packets seeing as they're usually on coffee/fag breaks or down the pub.:nod:
Im a Munitions Systems Technician
I do nothing technical at work, I drive a truck FFS.
With you on this one Jeffers, fecks me right off. I had the "Ohh you can repair cars then" so many times when i was at uni, even now i get it. :rant:
manic_mechanic
25-11-2003, 08:27
Originally posted by Clong
With you on this one Jeffers, fecks me right off. I had the "Ohh you can repair cars then" so many times when i was at uni, even now i get it. :rant:
I STILL get that at 32! I think an engineer has to have at least a HNC/D and have suffered 4 years ritual humiliation and training (an apprenticeship I believe its called!):whip:
Originally posted by manic_mechanic
I think an engineer has to have at least a HNC/D and have suffered 4 years ritual humiliation and training (an apprenticeship I believe its called!):whip:
:nod:
I agree that 'engineer' is overused - we see salemen now called 'sales engineers' when they have probably never seen a toolbox!
I've been an engineer all my working life - from Telecommunications Engineer (I fixed phones) to Production Engineer (I fixed phones) to Engineering Manager (I made phones) and finally Directional Information Design Engineer (I make signs :wack: )
p.nicholas
25-11-2003, 12:45
:wave: a dying trade aswell
Originally posted by manic_mechanic
I STILL get that at 32! I think an engineer has to have at least a HNC/D and have suffered 4 years ritual humiliation and training (an apprenticeship I believe its called!):whip:
Sorry but an HNC/HND is actually a technicians qualification. I agree with Jeffers though, the Engineers name and trade is a totally misused and un-appreciated skill in this country.
Institutes like the IEE or the Mech eng equivalent seek to redress what qualifies someone to be an engineer and have minimum standards in qualifications and experience.
glad to be a BSc :p
but call myself a technician ......... I'm in ICT development but deal mainly with the hardware side of things.
we've got Insurance Technicians here
they're data entry clerks really. I'm not sure where that title comes from really as they dont know feck all about insurance and they aint technicians imo
I'm a commercial account handler/team leader - so at least i have a title that means something, just
Stusy@Swaytech
25-11-2003, 13:50
Originally posted by JohnBennett
I'm an a electronic engineer, but friends still think I can fix televisions (despite my protests).
The fact I've knacked most of them beyond any possible repair whatsoever hasn't sunk in yet.:smash:
Oddly enough I always manage to fix my own TV's though ;) .
I would have thought the technicians would do their own sketches on fag packets seeing as they're usually on coffee/fag breaks or down the pub.:nod:
Same here
"What do you do for a living"
"I'm an Electronics Engineer"
"Oh great I've got a DVD thats not working, can you take a look at it"
:rant:
don't think i've had title of engineer, yet...
a guy i used to play rugby with in the youth squad when he finished at college he was a vegetation reduction engineer... a grass cutter :D thats the best i've heard it called so far.
Originally posted by sideways danny
i've always called myself a Technician, Tried to disassociate from the engineers:D :D :D :D :D
Engineer = person who says what needs doing and how they want it done
Technician = person who deciphers the scribbly sketch on a fag packet, decided it wont work, changes the spec so it'll work and lets the engineer get the credit with management
__________________
as you have such a low opinion of us engineers, you won't be wanting an engineer designed auto closer on your car then?
unfortunately grimtronic is a little light on technicians, so you will have to make do with my pathetic effort!!!!
do you wish to retract your statement befor i make it to an MK meet?
yep, i am back from Malta - a trip organised because i am the Engineering Manager for a multinational.
:wave:
Sideways Danny
25-11-2003, 18:37
bwhahahahahaha
Hook line and sinker hehehe
The fact is all the engineers i've workerd with have been either extremely lazy, utterly incompetent or completely mad with no concept of reality or efficiency.
I know you're not all like that.
Grim who do you work for?
Originally posted by sideways danny
extremely lazy, utterly incompetent or completely mad with no concept of reality or efficiency.
thats how grim seemed at Silverstone :p :p :wave:
The Institute of Mechanical Engineers (IMechE) with whom I am a member stipulate that to be classified as an engineer you must hold at least a recognised degree along with relevent experience e.g. BEng(Hons) and 19 years in various engineering companies as in my case.
The overuse of the term "engineer" p's me off too as I left school at 16, did an apprenticeship and worked my way up to my current position of Senior Project Engineer after a further 13 years part time study !! :rant:
Mind having said that I've met a million graduates who use the term "engineer" and are fecking useless when it comes to the practical aspects of the job that a decent skilled person with common sense can manage :nod:
p.nicholas
25-11-2003, 19:30
Originally posted by sideways danny
bwhahahahahaha
Hook line and sinker hehehe
The fact is all the engineers i've workerd with have been either extremely lazy, utterly incompetent or completely mad with no concept of reality or efficiency.
I know you're not all like that.
Grim who do you work for?
i'll just take slightly mad :smash: :smash: :smash: in a big hammer kinda way
kinda off topic but my mums got rather a good job title in the NHS
Personnel Information Systems Officer
or P.I.S Off. by standard abbreviation :D
Sideways Danny
25-11-2003, 20:50
Originally posted by p.nicholas
i'll just take slightly mad :smash: :smash: :smash: in a big hammer kinda way
Ahh big hammer engineering, now you're talking my language
It's a sad fact that where i've worked, Engineers and senior technicians have been in their jobs for so many years, they've become complacent. Being a big test facility all of our stuff was hands on, think in your feet problems, some just didn't have the common sense to be any good, and fell back on their technicians to bail them out on more than one occasion.
I'm in the process of having my job title changed from Technician to Network Manager - hopefully should gradually reduce the amount of the idi...err... teachers that bring OHPs/videos/TVs/etc to me for repairs :rolleyes:
Definition of repair:
Fault Reported by teacher (on an OHP): "the bit that usually stands up is drooping, I think it needs playing with so it stays erect" *realises what she just said and runs*
Action by me: fiddle... fiddle... SNAP "oops" *takes it back* "nah, it's knackered - you'll need to get someone to make you up a new bracket" *walks off sniggering*
:D
MeLLoN Stu
25-11-2003, 21:03
yeah gets on my tits a bit that.
what really does it is when people ask me what i do and when told marine engineer they often say is that in the marines then?
or assume its some pi$$ easy job working on a sailing boat or something :rant: :furious: :mad: :censored: :censored: :furious: :rant: :rant: :annoyed: :censored: :rant:
Originally posted by sideways danny
bwhahahahahaha
Hook line and sinker hehehe
The fact is all the engineers i've workerd with have been either extremely lazy, utterly incompetent or completely mad with no concept of reality or efficiency.
I know you're not all like that.
Grim who do you work for?
Dagnall Electronics. Look in Farnell for Transformer. NO THEY ARE NOT FOOKING ROBOTS IN DISGUST!
as for hammer engineering, tranny's are one thing that do work better when you bash them.
however i am completely mad.
when an engineer hands you his business card and it says "fred Blogs" design engineer. bsc, iee, ddt, bbc, omg(asc mem) etc
i always feel he's trying to indicate he is intelligent, because i would never know it to talk to him, work with him etc.
Originally posted by brucy
thats how grim seemed at Silverstone :p :p :wave: it was my day off:p
SteveCarter200
26-11-2003, 09:32
My official title is an 'ATM Service Engineer' and when people ask me what I do I actually feel embarrassed to tell them that as it makes it sound as if I know the machines inside out and actually do technical repairs on them. I dont. Mostly it involves unjamming notes from the mech and replacing drive belts. Its a total no brainer and really very very shite.
The hardest bit about my job is putting up with the brainless wonder that I have to work with.:cry:
Originally posted by SteveCarter200
My official title is an 'ATM Service Engineer' and when people ask me what I do I actually feel embarrassed to tell them that as it makes it sound as if I know the machines inside out and actually do technical repairs on them. I dont. Mostly it involves unjamming notes from the mech and replacing drive belts. Its a total no brainer and really very very shite.
The hardest bit about my job is putting up with the brainless wonder that I have to work with.:cry:
surely this makes you a financial consultant or fiscal relocator!
do you get to keep any damaged ones?
manic_mechanic
26-11-2003, 12:28
The best engineer I ever worked with was the guy I did my apprenticeship with, he was an unpleasant arrogant git and as old as god (and the spitting image of Victor Meldrew!) but he could plan, draw out and make anything. He had no qualifications whatsoever..............................
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.1.9 Copyright © 2012 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.