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Damo

22-02-2011, 22:28

To cut a long story short lost job s14 to expensive and ended up with a N2 AE86 corolla with the plan sell off all the good bits drop a stock 4age engine in and get it on the road and have some fun but working on it i found a bit of rust and its turned into a bit of a project in damo style.

How it looked a few years ago and why took it on / wanted it

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/N2levin-1.jpg

When the 86 was dropped off and placed in my garage

stretch any one ?

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0548.jpg

New i had got a good bit or work on my hands...

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0547.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0549.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0550.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0551.jpg

I then started to do a bit of work on the rolla and came up with a to do list

to do shorted list...

fit front rear anti roll bars
fit caster arms
fit wire up horn
fit engine and vems
sort interior out

The Exhaust System
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0581.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0580.jpg

Interior pictures. I had cleared out the boot and 90% of the plastic in the rear!

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0582.jpg

sorry for crapy pictures using camera phone.

it came with a vems and loom that was ment to go on a AWT built engine that was not built :( lol

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0597.jpg

but then i picked up these OER / SK Sanyo ITB's

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0586.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0585.jpg
:D

Damo

22-02-2011, 22:29

So i got the car up in the air to take a look see under the car

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0602.jpg

:( it dont look good

and then started to fit the new bushes for the uprated roll bars

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0604.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0605.jpg
old vs new
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0606.jpg

cleaning out the car some more to have a look at the wiring and found a bit of rust/holes so sent it off to slidemotor sport to have the rust sorted and the car undersealed

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0607.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0608.jpg

Well Matt from slide took 2 hours out of his busy day to come pick the shell up. massive thanks bud

Slide Motorsport (http://www.slidemotorsport.co.uk/)

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0611.jpg

and got on with sorting the rust which turned out to be really bad :(

He had also removed the current coilovers and had started to have a look round the rust... Dam it needs some work!!!

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0629.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0624.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0628.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0632.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0633.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0634.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0631.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0630.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0622.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0623.jpg

Damo

22-02-2011, 22:31

I poped down to see liljoe and picked up the engine/box/ecu and loom. Basically everything out of the engine bay and then headed back up north to dropped it off with matt at slide motorsport.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0639.jpg

We got the 4age on the engine stand as we are going to take a look at the crank & shells and fit new ones before it goes in the rolla just to freshen it up.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0640.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0641.jpg

I then took a few pictures of what matt is doing on the rusty front arches

Drivers

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0642.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0643.jpg

Passengers
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0644.jpg

I got myself a set of these

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0612.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0614.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0615.jpg

and started to fit them up / had a look at the rear fitment of the DW coilovers

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0620.jpg
I had to drill out my topmount bushes as the hole was 2mm to small and was never going to fit onto the dw damper
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0619.jpg

and got drift wheels

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0627.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0626.jpg

Damo

22-02-2011, 22:35

Now Matt is working hard on sorting the rust out at the min but its going to be costly so i had to sell the MK1 SSR alloys and the rear DW coilovers to help pay for the rust removal and I do have a load of other parts sat around here of which i'm having a sorted out selling 90% of it on as i dont need it for this project

so here are the pictures and the 4age stuff i now have or had / sold

20v block with bores to suit 12.5 - 1 pistons

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0676.jpg

20v crank polished and balanced

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0653.jpg

12.5-1 pistons

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0652.jpg

20v con rods. cam caps etc

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0658.jpg

2 x 4age 16v heads. 1 stock, 1 polished ported and bucket under shim setup for 10mm lift

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0651.jpg

Gaskets, and 2 sets of cam covers

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0675.jpg

Race Bearings

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0674.jpg

36-1 pulley and sensor

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0673.jpg

Cat Cams 296 o 12mm lift

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0668.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0669.jpg

Throttle bodies

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0665.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0666.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0667.jpg

formula Atlantic spec valves and guides

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0663.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0662.jpg

small port 235cc injectors

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0659.jpg

hks cam pulleys

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0664.jpg

toda cam pulleys

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0657.jpg

Damo

22-02-2011, 22:37

and popped into Driftworks hq to pick up these

HKS 272in 288ex 8mm lift

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0656.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/4age/IMG_0654.jpg

I was so temped to build a proper 4age with 12-1 comp the hks cams running a 9k limit with the ITB's and vems all i need to do is buy a few bolts and i could do it but with the the silly amount of work the shell needs i decided it was a bad idea and put it all up for sale.

Damo

22-02-2011, 22:40

Thanks to Matt from side again as hes dropping me photo messages to keep me in the loop on how hes getting on.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0679.jpg

3 out of 4 archers are done at this point but both rear pockets are fudged well i dont have one on the drivers side its completely rusted away :(

Front rails still to weld up and rear rail next to fuel tank need doing too so the fuel tank has got to come off next. it looks like im going to be rolling on a stock engine for a good year at this rate but i will have a mint shell :D

Thanks to slide motorsport for doing all the welding and rust removal

oh and here is a picture of the rear alloys fitted that Matt sent me just last week :D

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0683.jpg

Damo

22-02-2011, 22:44

So all this has happened over the pasted month and with me being me i have been looking at what i could do for power improvements. i have looked at loads of stuff with the 16v and 20v engines and turbos for them. Even looked a doing a F20c out of honda s2000 but everything i looked at was more that i could spend so i turned back to my humble stock 4age which is what i will be using for the time being....

-Marc-

22-02-2011, 22:45

Fair play to you man, I'd have given up after seen that rot I think.

Damo

22-02-2011, 22:49

Fair play to you man, I'd have given up after seen that rot I think.

i tell you what mate if it was not for Matt it would have been scrapped and cut up sold on for parts. Hes doing a shit load of work on her for not a lot of money in all truth.

slide motorsport :Plug:

jod

23-02-2011, 00:37

Awesome little project man. I like your high compression 16v setup.

What version of 20 valve rods are you using though?

Out of intrest, how come you didnt go with the 20 valve blacktop head?

Damo

23-02-2011, 16:35

Awesome little project man. I like your high compression 16v setup.

What version of 20 valve rods are you using though?

Out of intrest, how come you didnt go with the 20 valve blacktop head?

Its what the prevues owner did / built tbh. 95% of the above parts came with the car but the shell is that bad with rust i'm selling it all on and just sticking the stock engine in for now.

I do have both back top and a AE92 complete bottom end so have both black top and silver top rods

Once the shell is sorted and the car is MOT'ed and on the road. I'm going to collect the SR conversion parts i need starting with buying a weir performance 28mm rear drive shaft setup/TRD 2way LSD so that it can take a HDev stage 1a setup with out killing the rear axle.

Next will be the jspfab engine and gearbox mounts and a SR complete setup. in between this i will get the little things i need like the mechanical speedo cable from a 280z, intercool, rad pipe work etc

Once i have all the parts i'm going to try do the swop in a weekend with help from Slide :notworthy:thumbs::D

jod

23-02-2011, 20:58

When you say you have a blacktop bottom end and a ae92 bottom end...

Are you getting mixed up between the ae92 16v "redtop" block to a 20v ae101 "silvertop" block?

The reason I ask is because you say your looking to be running high compression with 9k revs, unfortunately I can't see the blacktop 20v rods lasting if you plan to run them, they are very skinny and weak compared to all of the rods. It has been known for blacktops to throw rods at aleast 9k. Most high revving blacktops run silvertop rods or aftermarket.

I recommend you run silvertop 20v rods which are the same as the rods fitted to the 4agze. They can withstand revs you would be running and are pretty strong.
I'm sure the ae92 redtop rods are even thicker than the silvertops, but I'm unsure what they are like at high rpm.

I apollogise in advanced if I'm telling you stuff you already know or if iv miss understood what your running.

Damo

23-02-2011, 21:05

Its ok bud i dont mind mate but i'm selling it all on and so will never build the 4age but yeah i know about the black top rods being the weakest of the 4age rod types and the AE92 rods i have are the same as the silver top ones iirc but again i'm selling all that stuff off so it dont matter as it will never get used by me any how :(

I just cant fund the high comp 4age engine build at min and i need money to get the shell sorted. its all up for sale on DW and ae86irl the HKS and VEMS stuff has sold all ready

Damo

24-02-2011, 09:26

well i had been reading up on doing a SR86 conversion and found some info in the CA E86 and erm its a peace of piss to do. engine mounts just about line up. rb20 box with ca/sr bell housing fits the gear leave in the stock location. wiring is easy to sort.... i think this could be the route i now go just because of how easy it will be to do

Damo

24-02-2011, 11:57

LOL well thats it just bought a CA18DET box, loom and ecu for my 86...

CAE86 here we come

cChance

24-02-2011, 12:27

Nice one, looking good :thumbs: liking the idea of a CA too, what sort of engine mods/power are you going for? Or is that just a wait and see type of affair? Cheers, Callum :thumbs:

Damo

24-02-2011, 12:29

Hdev stage one setup running around 210bhp @ 5750rpm and 200lb ft @ 3500rpm ish that should be more that anuff in a 800-900kg AE86. will see how the rear axle holds up

cChance

24-02-2011, 12:32

Fair enough, sounds like it should be enough in a car that weighs that little :nod: Good luck, hope all goes well. Subscribed :thumbs:

pj9ar

24-02-2011, 13:01

This looks like it will be interesting, I look forward to seeing how it turns out :thumbs:

LewyS14a

24-02-2011, 13:10

Very interesting and some food for thought for myself :nod: will be following with keen interest :thumbs:

MagicMat

24-02-2011, 13:17

I've seen this car at Slide, the Rust was fairly major, similar stuff wanted doing to the inner wings, as I have just repaired on mine! ..altho think you'rs is a bit worse fella.

Ca86 sounds interesting ! the SR20 only needs 6 wires to work in an s13, so im sure fitting a CA to a 86 should be easy :)

Plus matt keeps doing engine transplants atm :)

Damo

24-02-2011, 14:05

Yeah the rust is really really bud :( but Matts a star and sorting out the rust for me.

Yeah the CA into 86 is not to hard at all even the mounts just about line up just need the sub frame slotting a little bit then a hammer on the trans tunnel :wack: and its in. unlike the SR which needs the sub frame to be lowered by 40mm and custom mounts making too.

If i use an rb20 gear box with the CA bell housing the gear leave just about makes the stock hole too. There is loads of info on the Oz forums about the swop

the wiring is simply 3 to 4 wires and a fuse and thats it iirc

green_rs13

26-02-2011, 18:02

the ca wiring is pretty much the same as sr. just look through john bennets sr guide for a heads up. that car was painted in my mates bodyshop in brum. im fairly sure those are kennys old wheels off his submarine ae86.

small world.

Damo

26-02-2011, 18:28

yeah it's a small world bud. wiring is the easy part for me its no problem and i know the ca loom well as i made my own once.

The hard part will be the mounts and sorting out what i'm going to do for an intercooler and pipe work.

green_rs13

26-02-2011, 20:12

put the intercooler in the engine bay. have a mooch round on ebay at all the generic kits/cores for insperation. the corolla boys use s13 rads any ways.

Mark White

26-02-2011, 20:55

Nice project Damo - looking forward to following this :nod:

Damo

28-02-2011, 19:43

More welding/rust up dates thanks to Slide motorsport

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/welding3.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/welding2.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/welding4.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/welding1.jpg

MagicMat

28-02-2011, 20:58

Some good work is getting done at SlideMotorsport ! :)

If you need any random CA bits give me a shout, they'd be cheap and i'll leave em at slide for you :)

Damo

28-02-2011, 21:25

ooo ooo ooo what you got? lol

MagicMat

28-02-2011, 21:44

random standard parts and odd shit lol, check my sale thread

Matt

03-03-2011, 00:18

did i mention i dont like rust...

it WILL be awesome again one day dont you worry

Damo

03-03-2011, 01:17

my rolla has more holes that swiss cheese!! thanks to the rust :( :cry:

Me and Matt at slide motorsport spent the night ripping the corolla apart some more to make it easier to welded up and guess what we found more rust...

so we removed the gearbox, prop and then the clutch & brake servo's/cylinders.... wait untill you see what we are fitting :D lol

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0690.jpg

the brake and fuel lines

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0689.jpg

action shot :wave: Matt
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0686.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0687.jpg

We took the arches and rear bumper off to find we needed some new wings so the n2 arches are now up for sale if any one is interested

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0688.jpg

thanks again to Matt at slide motorsport for staying late and helping me crack on with the CAE86. http://www.slidemotorsport.co.uk/ :Plug:

03-03-2011, 13:21

Sweet, one of my fave cars with one of my fave engines :D

Look forwad to seeing this finished :nod:

Damo

03-03-2011, 13:42

Thanks, It was going to be a daily but it's fast becoming more and more of a track car every day :wack:

I'm now ordering up:-

A Full braided brake hose kit from http://www.db-power.co.uk/ :Plug: Will be running an s14 master servo and cylinder with this and 200sx s13 front brakes :sock:

Digital Dash DD2-LITE from http://www.s-bodyautomotive.co.uk/ :Plug:

http://www.etbinstruments.com/Images/DD2-LITE_Brief.jpg

This alloy fuel tank

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/tank.jpg

450mm - Length
250mm - Width
250mm - Depth
AN6 - Feed
AN6 - Return
AN6 - Breather (blue cap)
6 Gal / 27 Ltrs - Volume

and a CBS wiring module as im going to re wire the car!

Me and slide have got a proper project on us hands :wack:

MagicMat

03-03-2011, 13:51

Me and Matt at slide motorsport spent the night ripping the corolla apart some more to make it easier to welded up and guess what we found more rust...

That is exactly my current problem mate, and its depressing !

Damo

04-03-2011, 14:37

woop to next day del:-

fuel tank and fittings are here

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0692.jpg

And my new relay and fuel box / wiring module and horn. Cant wait to bin the 25 year old loom and fit the nice new one im making :)

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0693.jpg

MagicMat

04-03-2011, 15:22

wondered if Matt would convince you to buy one of those.

Damo

04-03-2011, 15:51

yeah was not much convincing after we took the stock one off. im going to mod it a little and look to fit in behind the drivers seat with a filler cap either in the widow or the quarter panel in front of the rear wheel.

I'm just about all out of cash for now tho :( so need so sell off all the 4age stuff i have before i can buy the fuel hose pump and the rest of the fittings i need to make it work.

At the min i think matt will end up finishing the welding and dropping the car back off with me so i can crack on with the wiring if nothing more when hes on holiday and then will go from there i think.

Damo

10-03-2011, 19:51

some more parts turned up today

External FSE Walbro 280LPH pump and mount kit

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0703.jpg

My mini intercooler (thats a size 10 to show how small it is :wack:) i dont ever plan on going over 300hp so this cooler should be fine and suit a nice v mount setup too

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0705.jpg

sorry about the crapy bed cover but im working away from home and stay in a crapy hotel :(

Mark White

10-03-2011, 21:19

sorry about the crapy bed cover but im working away from home and stay in a crapy hotel :(

Know how that feels dude, worked away for the past 3 years! Next Job is in Torquay :rolleyes:

Liking the updates dude, keep them coming :nod:

Damo

13-03-2011, 23:01

Damo

17-03-2011, 15:07

thanks bud.

Right i have gone completely nuts and im now going to try fit an evo twin scroll turbo for a minimum lag setup. the aim is to get 1bar before 3k rpm and make 250hp-270hp

tomorrow im picking up the CA/box/loom/ecu etc, hydro hand brake, braided brake & fuel lines and HID lights all from Dan@dbpower :thumbs::notworthy

So massive thanks to dan as i now has all this stuff stocked up in my unit :notworthy

So next on the list of parts to turn up is...................

engine and gearbox mout for ae86 to ca18 conversion

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0720.jpg

and then thanks to Polo aka S Body automotive

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0722.jpg

ex-ctr

18-03-2011, 13:41

intrested to see how the CBS wiring module works out:)

MagicMat

18-03-2011, 14:05

more shiny parts !

Should be very interesting ! :)

Damo

31-03-2011, 02:56

yeah will be if i can put them all in it :wack:. currently looking in to cage stuff so not much work going on or buying of parts as i'm saving for a proper weld in cage at min.

Damo

13-04-2011, 18:50

i got it a few hours yesterday and it now looks like this

http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=72297&stc=1&d=1302717040

MagicMat

15-04-2011, 09:23

Looks good, this back at home now?

You planning to paint the interior & bay? If you do,.try to make sure it doesn't get out of hand like mine :p

Sent from my ZTE Blade using Tapatalk

Damo

18-04-2011, 09:44

yeah its back home now. i have some nice silver paint. The engine bay is not far off ready for paint now. i have cut out the rear pockets and a few other bits off the rear too.

its got to go back to slide to have 3 or 4 bits weldered as i cant do it myself but dont have the funds at min. maybe in 2 months time i can fund it.

im hoping to just crank on and maybe get the ca in and a load of the wiring done until then

MagicMat

18-04-2011, 09:45

Sounds like a plan, No harm in test fitting the engine and wiring in the mean time tho :)

MagicMat

17-05-2011, 10:16

noticed this and thought of you

..but maybe you've sorted one now?

http://www.driftworks.com/forum/parts-sale-private-sales/146065-ae86-rollcage-sale.html#post1798023

Damo

05-07-2011, 12:20

thanks fella all tho i'm not roll caging it now. Its just a matter of getting it running and selling on as i have life style changes on the way.

I have found a bit of time to work on it tho.

most of the black interior parts are fitted now, carpet, door cards plastics. My parts have finally turned up from MCN sport too :)

Will try find time this weekend to pull it out of the garage and take a pick on how the inside is looking now.

so MCN sport parts.. new front rear fpr rings and bonnet. all i need is the rear coilovers from them now.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0850.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0851.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/damodevilsson/corolla/IMG_0853.jpg
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Full braided brake hose kit from DB-power

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MagicMat

05-07-2011, 12:25

sorry to hear that you are guna sell it mate,.. must be gutting :(

Damo

05-07-2011, 13:21

yeah but needs must bud. me and my wife are trying to change jobs / careers at min as neither of us like the jobs we do and i just about hate mine at min. I just spend for to much time working away.

I'm off to sparsholt college in november to do a course of which i then have do to 6 more from home. I'm also doing alot of reading up on stuff / research on my chosen subject at min so time is thin on the ground but with a bit of luck in 2 years time i will be doing a completely different job and enjoying life a lot more

My missis starts her course in jan lol