I got S=L=A=Y=E=D by a Clio Sport 172... [Archive]

russ655

11-07-2003, 00:28

Originally posted by Hotrod
Sounds like you should pull the curly pipe of the airbox and get some washers behind the actuator then!:thumbs:

Tell me MORE!!!!:thumbs: :p :cool:

He may have won but he was still looking a bit "nicole?...papa?".
No dignity for him there.
:D :D :thumbs: Yep!!!

BTW- I sold my Clio (not a 172 though, just a boat one) for the two hundred...hence having a bit left over.

The main dissapointment so far is not being able to fit my stereo install into the car. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: But really thats my only niggle...so far...apart from being slayed by the pesky clio...PAH! More boost, exhaust and filter should sort him out...I hope!

jamesw

11-07-2003, 07:43

ditch the stereo sell it get mods to make it quicker dude, you still hang out far to much of the max power end of things, get it going quicker.:cool:

Pete C

11-07-2003, 09:07

I know of another small French hatchback that might be giving standard S13s some grief soon ;)

By the way, see that Clio 172 behind me in my sig pic? He got past me on the next lap, the only thing that overtook me whilst I was out on the track :mad:

He had to do it on the corners though, there was no way he was getting anywhere near on the straights ;)

Vez

11-07-2003, 09:16

If that 172's who I think it is, hes a spot on Driver, he was Harrassing my mate Ultima whilst he was learning to drive it and a track.....

JackaL

11-07-2003, 09:38

I think the 172 has a very wide front track... does that give it extra stability under cornering?

Saying that, my Astra hire car has more front end grip than my 2*****, and it's only a 1.6 SXi. The grip and turn-in ability is phenominal!

Still, I know which I'd rather be driving out of a tinny french shopping trolley and a beautiful rwd coupe... ;) :p

Roll on decent suspension on my ***** :)

mikegsi

11-07-2003, 09:42

or do what i did, get a gto.
then bring him on in his poxy 172 bhp womans car

ha 300 stallions ready to roll under the bonnet, with four wheel drive, four wheel steer, lets see who's the papa, nicole!!!!!
:thumbs:

JackaL

11-07-2003, 09:55

Originally posted by mikegsi
or do what i did, get a gto.
then bring him on in his poxy 172 bhp womans car

ha 300 stallions ready to roll under the bonnet, with four wheel drive, four wheel steer, lets see who's the papa, nicole!!!!!
:thumbs:

The problem is the Clio 172 weighs about as much as one of your doors! Brilliant for them when it comes to blatting around a track - but should it ever come off the road...

Messy... :eek:

Plus, it's 2 litre engine has to rev it's nuts off to get 172bhp, and therefore will not last very long! While we're worrying about big ends at around 100k, Clio 172 owners will be re-honing their bores... for the 3rd time!

Add the whole 'Nicole!!!' thing, and there's a few good reasons not to own one, however quick about town they may be :p ;)

Did I mention that I demolished a V6 Clio on the M25 once? I was 4 up in my car, he was 2 up, and I left him standing from a 60mph rolling start, I really was disappointed in it's ability to keep up! A scabby RST gave me more of a challenge a few miles later! That was 2 up, but certainly had more grunt than the Clio, although the driver was nailing it hard, and rocking backwards and forwards in his seat to try and encourage some traction to the front wheels no doubt :rolleyes:

Jezz_S13

11-07-2003, 10:03

Originally posted by mikegsi
or do what i did, get a gto.
then bring him on in his poxy 172 bhp womans car

ha 300 stallions ready to roll under the bonnet, with four wheel drive, four wheel steer, lets see who's the papa, nicole!!!!!
:thumbs:

yep that's a weak argument, after 4wd tranny losses, the cliot will certainly have better wheel power/weight ratio than the mitsy whale.

Jolly F

11-07-2003, 10:26

I was following my mummy :D and a 172 came flying past both of us and cut her up a good'un :mad:

So i went passed her and went up his arse, got board, wheelied past him giving him some wrist action (w***er)...

By the way, i was on my Blade :thumbs:

Vaaa Vaaaa VOOOOOMMMMMMM my arse :D :D :D

Jalfrezi

11-07-2003, 10:27

Had a race against a Clio 172, didn't have much of a problem against him, he gave up a couple of minutes later!

Mind you, my little bro almost cr@pped himself!:D :D

mikegsi

11-07-2003, 10:48

MITSY WHALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

:D :D

Braintree

11-07-2003, 12:19

Most GTO's seem to hold about 270bhp at the wheels.

Clio's are rated at 158bhp at the wheels.

GTO:

270bhp - 1900kg = 142bhp/ton @ the wheels

307lbft - 1900kg = 162lbft/ton

Clio:

158bhp - 1200kg = 131bhp/ton @ the wheels

147lbft - 1200kg = 122.5lbft/ton

Add to this that the the GTO has 4 wheel steer, 4 wheel drive (traction) & 4 wheel independant suspension, also it makes it's maximum torque and holds it much earlier and longer thna the Clio!!

Jezz_S13

11-07-2003, 12:22

270 @ wheels?
Are you telling me that they have aobut 350-400 @ fly std?

mikegsi

11-07-2003, 12:26

erm is that good then braintree??????????

Jezz_S13

11-07-2003, 12:36

I'm sorry but I can't accept that a 4wd (30-40% losses) motor with 280-300bhp std would have any where near 270@ wheels.

170-200 more like.

mambastu

11-07-2003, 12:42

Errmm....think GTO's are 270 at the flywheel in standard form as per the old Japanese 'gentlemans agreement'.

Easy to get them to 300bhp at the flywheel with essentially free modifications though.

Ripper

11-07-2003, 13:03

I'm not impressed with all this 172bhp FWD Shopping Trolley nonsense.

What is it's 0-100 and standing 1/4 times?

Then we'll sort out if it's proper or not.

11-07-2003, 13:06

Originally posted by Ripper
Then we'll sort out if it's proper or not.

It's scrabble nonsense so the answer is NOT

dunc

11-07-2003, 13:11

Ripper

11-07-2003, 13:21

JB: Correct answer :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy
Dunc: That's crap :wave:

Ripper: You should have known better than to ask silly questions about FWD bouncy rubbish :rolleyes:

11-07-2003, 13:35

Originally posted by Ripper
JB: Correct answer :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy
Dunc: That's crap :wave:

Ripper: You should have known better than to ask silly questions about FWD bouncy rubbish :rolleyes:

Amazingly I find myself in total agreement with you yet again :wack: :thumbs: :eek:

mikegsi

11-07-2003, 13:36

my gto is WAY faster than my s13 was, and that was modded up to just short of 200bhp.
so am not fussed about ure stats and things, to me, its rapid and i even beat a motorbike in it, (well a scooter!!!!!!!:D )

:D ;) :D

GrahamB

11-07-2003, 13:37

I'm with JB and Ripper on this one:thumbs:

Scrabbly Sh!t:mad:

mikegsi

11-07-2003, 13:47

french crap!!!!!!!!!!

desperatelt trying to form another mallets mallet post to get my posts upto 400!!!!

Ripper

11-07-2003, 13:50

quote:
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Originally posted by Ripper
JB: Correct answer
Dunc: That's crap

Ripper: You should have known better than to ask silly questions about FWD bouncy rubbish
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Amazingly I find myself in total agreement with you yet again

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:D :D :D :D

dunc

11-07-2003, 13:52

Originally posted by Ripper

Dunc: That's crap :wave:

:D :D

Nathan_200sx

11-07-2003, 14:03

Originally posted by mikegsi
my gto is WAY faster than my s13 was, and that was modded up to just short of 200bhp.
so am not fussed about ure stats and things, to me, its rapid and i even beat a motorbike in it, (well a scooter!!!!!!!:D )

:D ;) :D

I was suprised the other week when I only just managed to outpace one of those "whales" in 1st and 2nd. it was only when I went into 3rd that I put a decent bit of space between us. I was pretty impressed actualy as it was the only thing in ages to have ago and actualy make me sweat a bit. I didnt know they were twin turbo either, you learn something everyday.

Kuddy

11-07-2003, 15:09

Originally posted by Ripper
I'm not impressed with all this 172bhp FWD Shopping Trolley nonsense.

What is it's 0-100 and standing 1/4 times?

Then we'll sort out if it's proper or not.

Well, qtr mile rivals reckons
0-60 = 6.6secs
1/4 = 15.0 @ 94 mph
with 0-100 in 17.9 secs

but EVO mag has tested at
0-100 in 18.9
and 0-60 in 7.1

No match for the std ***** on the straights and it's down to driver ability in the corners.

marty_t3

11-07-2003, 16:44

In all the tests i've seen the Civic-R and the Focus RS both outpaced the clio... IIRC the Type-R and the RS both at in the 6's for 0-60.

russ655

11-07-2003, 17:08

Originally posted by mikegsi
MITSY WHALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

:D :D
:rolleyes: :p hehe

Anyway the clio is faster than my standard s13 even with two people in...

Also, the 172 mk1 is 1035kg (http://www.cliosport.net/specs/clio172mk1.asp), and it was a rolling start. It was also the first night I had the car, so my gear changes were, shall we say, less than perfect...:rolleyes: :D

MintyFresh

11-07-2003, 17:20

Take it to the track boys.

If S13's and S14's get outdone by a clio on the track, then its time to sell up!!!!!!:cry:

russ655

11-07-2003, 17:30

Exhaust, filter and some more boost, it's :wave: 172...

But hey, he paid 11k for his brand new (1k on the clock) clio, I paid just over 1/10th of that....:rolleyes: :D :D :D :D

Scott_Drayton

11-07-2003, 18:08

Originally posted by Jolly F

wheelied past him.....

By the way, i was on my Blade :thumbs:

Gona say, thats one hell of a suspension and power setup on the SX to do that!!

:D :rolleyes:

jamesw

11-07-2003, 18:42

The only thing not that is not taken into account in most of the above arguments is the driver ability, this aprticular 172 is piloted by a loon we both know him well, he drives his car without a care in the world all the way to the redline, not using clutch to change gear. But then he can beacause he spent 11 grand buying one he has a manufactures warranty, which means he happens to be on his third gearbox as fitted under warranty. YOu gotta love that part thrash the **** out of your car and dont have to pay to fix it. has to be a bonus. He can also handle the car on the twisties. But then your back into the age old argument "but mine will whip yours in a straight line" I do believe that that is a quote from the many cossies, scoobies, mr2's and GTO's that I blitzed at the pod/ off the lights etc in my old datsun.

Just my 2 pence worth:D :D

king.stromba

11-07-2003, 20:00

Alright guys. Im newby here, i usually inhabit the cliosport forum. Just interested to see your thread on 172's. Dont think you can really compare a 200 sx and a 172 unless you look at alround performance, including price. No point just comparing straight line speed. I mean a S14 (200 SX) has higher top end and a fast 0-60, but thats not all driving is about. I currently own a Clio Williams, but ive driven a 172 and i used to own an S14 (import, non turbo, 4 wheel steer) and S12 Silvia. On a track a 172 or a Williams would destroy a S12 and S13 Silvia. Be closer with a S14, mine handled pretty well, but nothing like a Williams or 172. Dont forget the price either. Copmare a new 200 SX with a new Cup or 172. The Clio's are alot of performance for alot less cash. However, they are limited in the tuning department. 200sx's are sooooooooooo easy to tune up. I reakon i got 15 to 20 BHP on my S12 silvia by just putting a less restrictive exhaust and induction kit on it. 200 sx are more comfortable though. Nice for long journeys. I miss mine.

11-07-2003, 23:02

Taking all the above posts into considerations, see if you can complete this well known English word...

S C R A . . . .:D

Dave H

11-07-2003, 23:42

Fecking quick little cars them 172's/cup's :rolleyes:

Had one stuck to my tail for about 10 miles the other week, could not shake him off at all through the twisties, and my 200 has tweaked suspension etc, got to a dc and it was :wave: :wave: clio :D

Smart capable little car though, If I was after a new scrabblewagon(which I'm not) it would probably get my vote. :cool:

£12K for a new cup with 3yr warranty :thumbs:

John D

12-07-2003, 00:16

My mate bought one of the older 1.8 RSi clio's, and even they're pretty hard to leave behind, that is untill you start getting over 110... :D nice, easy cars to drive, you can chuck em around like there's no tomorow.

simon172

12-07-2003, 00:17

Great. Nice friendly posts in here then...... :( :cry:
oh and russ :wave: for last night ;)

Dave H

12-07-2003, 00:30

Originally posted by simon172
Great. Nice friendly posts in here then...... :( :cry:

Tis all in good humour mate, we're all into our cars, just a bit of banter that's all :p :D

simon172

12-07-2003, 01:15

Finch: no, it's not banter

Brent: It's not banter. Not now

Finch: Alright, ok, so, when we had the question "Name the Cuban leader who's been in power sinch the revolution of 1959"-

Brent: Fidel Castro

Finch: Yeah. You know it now, year. What did you say then? Go on, tell them....what did you say then....? Who's the Cuban leader?

Brent: Fray Bentos.

Back on topic tho. What does Russ need to do to get his standard 200SX fast enough to keep up (first) and then later beat my standard Clio (scrabbling french shite shopping trolley) 172?

She may be a scrabbler but she's a quick one......

russ655

12-07-2003, 01:42

Originally posted by JB
Taking all the above posts into considerations, see if you can complete this well known English word...

S C R A . . . .:D

....hmmmm:o :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

Can we all get on like grown ups?:rolleyes: "Maybe? Just maybe"

jamesw

12-07-2003, 01:50

Could in theory say the same about 200's cars being that they are only rear wheel drive! not fourwheel drive but I wont. Oh and I used to get scrabbly front tyres on my pulsar when launching at 5500 rpm, ;) :p SO I guess that would have made me a scrabbler to as it scrabbled to find grip in a straight line when using it properley.

russ655

12-07-2003, 02:07

What could a RWD car do down the 'pod with as little mod's as yours??? (hybrid, 13psi, normal tyres, susp mods, stock i/c, uprated f/pump, exhaust, filter, de-cat, downpipe, ~265bhp)...

12.54??:rolleyes: er, no.

But hey...can't have it all I guess

jamesw

12-07-2003, 02:11

Maybe a rallye could mate:D :rolleyes:

Purebob

12-07-2003, 08:00

Physics doesn't overwhelm FWD until you get more than around 200 bhp/200 lb ft torque. traction control can hold physics in check for another 20 lb/ft then FWD just can't keep up with similarly powered RWD.

Try an Alfa GTV V6 for the full-on 'scrabbly shit' experience.

The 172 however is arguably the best FWD hooligan car ever made, certainly better and quicker than my old Willy 3, 205 GTi or R5 GT turbo.

Its huge grip and gentle understeer under pressure makes heroes out of fools and the way the car almost pivots around the gearbox when throwing around bends makes it astonishingly easy to maintain heowge pace. Add the isntant response of a big hearted na engine and its no wonder the 172 whooped an S13. In my old willy I took all kinds of scalps - thats what hot hatches are designed to do.

However....the very ease with which they can be driven by the scruff of the neck makes them less satisfying to drive than more involving cars IME. They really are "point and squirt" tools that can be driven very quickly by almost anybody out of the box. Great value, but a bit like driinking a glass of water - even when you do it quickly it never tastes of anything.

I'm miles slower in my S14 than I was in my recent integra type R while I learn the car, but its a LOT of fun learning to drive those roads in a 200 horse RWD car.

I've had my fill of FWD for a while but I'd never diss a brilliant hatch like the 172 nor feel aggrieved that my car got whooped.

Now if it was a MINI than whooped me I'd hang my head in shame !!!

:D

Smart-Tech

12-07-2003, 08:29

A mate of mine used to have a mini with a 1750 Allegro engine in it. It would only do about 100 but with decent rubber it handled like a bl**dy go kart.
Read the thread and now its time to just give one another a friendly hug. Not too friendly though. :thumbs:

12-07-2003, 08:49

Originally posted by russ
....hmmmm:o :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

Can we all get on like grown ups?:rolleyes: "Maybe? Just maybe"

The use of the :D smilie I hoped would have indicated that I wasn't being serious. Sorry if I have caused you offence :(

As to what you can do to your car to keep beat a Clio 172.... Well acccording the the figures I've seen you should be able to do that now so either you need to have your car RRd to check there's nothing amiss and maybe spend a few quid on suspension upgrades or maybe attend an advanced driving course.

skiddusmarkus

12-07-2003, 10:02

13psi &
12.54

cough,cough;) :p .

jamesw

12-07-2003, 10:37

Hello skiddus true figures are slightly wrong:
13 psi got me 12.74,
16 psi got me the 12.54,
any more boost got me too much wheelspin off the line. But then I was running 14's Sorry to cause any grief. When is yours back on the road SKid.:thumbs:

ps still bugs me GINGA manage to undercut both times on the two seperate days by 200 th of a second.

jamesw

12-07-2003, 10:40

LOL at JB

Love the bit about attending a drivers school, Russ this is a must for you mate:D need to learn how to change gear a bit quicker takeing all night between gear changes aint gonna help scalp nobody. :p

king.stromba

12-07-2003, 12:21

The fact that you are talking about a hot hatch even being considered on the same league as a two seater sports coupe with a turbo, indicates to me that a. the hot hatch is fecking good, b. the sports coupe is shit. I think the first.

Think about it, 200 sx versus Clio. Embarrassing that it can keep up really.

And the V6 would not get dusted by many cars, so that post ealier about some guy 'destroying' one in his 200sx is boll**ks

And my Williams would take any standardish 200sx round a racing track. With ease. My Williams weighs 909 kg and puts out around 170 bhp. But its the grip that counts.
:wave:

And who gives a shite about who is quicker from 100 onwards. How many people actually drive that fast? Not many not often is the answer.

I love the 200 sx, but keep it real guys. Renault have got a legend here. Just admit they are fecking good cars.

JasewithBase

12-07-2003, 12:27

Hi there Russ -- Perhaps one of Brens "OBK Short Shift Kits" might help with guicker gear changes.

About £1K of carefully chosen mods would see you up to around 220-240 bhp :D :D

mikegsi

12-07-2003, 12:46

originally posted posted by nathan_200sx
I was suprised the other week when I only just managed to outpace one of those "whales" in 1st and 2nd. it was only when I went into 3rd that I put a decent bit of space between us. I was pretty impressed actualy as it was the only thing in ages to have ago and actualy make me sweat a bit. I didnt know they were twin turbo either, you learn something everyday.

hah, obviously wasnt trying then!!!!:D unless it was the non turbo variant, then quite likely, they are only around 220bhp i think.:p

i got 85mph in second, 125mph in 3rd, my s13 never did stuff like that!!!:thumbs:

:D :p :D

Nathan_200sx

12-07-2003, 13:50

It had twin turbo on the side, mine isnt eerrm exactly standard either ;)

SteveCarter200

12-07-2003, 14:21

Originally posted by Nathan_200sx
mine isnt eerrm exactly standard either ;)

Nooo, not quite.:)

http://www.sxoc.com/site/rides/ride.php?Member_ID=79

By the way, easliy beat a GTO at Santa Pod a couple of years ago when I only had 260ish bhp.

Oh, Mike, long gearing = good top end and bad acceleration. Just think how quick it would be in the far shorter ratios that the S13 has.:D

mikegsi

12-07-2003, 18:25

isnt exactly standard!!!!!!, that list of mods is longer than tenerife is long!!!!!!!!!!!!!
must be loaded, spending all that coin, mind, that must be some FAST machine!!!!!!

:thumbs:

def

12-07-2003, 19:56

SY MAN SLAYED A 172 FROM THE LIGHTS ON B BOOST 222BHP AND THE TYPE R ON INSIDE LANE CREEPED AHEAD OF THE 172.

:D

russ655

13-07-2003, 01:06

Originally posted by JB
The use of the :D smilie I hoped would have indicated that I wasn't being serious. Sorry if I have caused you offence :(

As to what you can do to your car to keep beat a Clio 172.... Well acccording the the figures I've seen you should be able to do that now so either you need to have your car RRd to check there's nothing amiss and maybe spend a few quid on suspension upgrades or maybe attend an advanced driving course.

:thumbs: It's ok...just there seemed to be alot of attitude flying around here...:rolleyes: :eek:

I can drive ok, and am getting more used to the gear change. Guess a RR is a good idea...the race was from moving in a striaght line; though over 130mph it was even if not me gaining. I think there is a bit to be had from getting better changes, but that comes from practice - which I had not had (only owned the car for 50miles of driving)...

Originally posted by JasewithBaseHi there Russ -- Perhaps one of Brens "OBK Short Shift Kits" might help with guicker gear changes.

About £1K of carefully chosen mods would see you up to around 220-240 bhp
Maybe the gear change is a bit long, longer than my 1.2 clio...!!! :eek: but i will get used to it

skiddusmarkus - cough,cough :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ah ok...welll nearrrlyyyyy 13psi......lol

jamesw Love the bit about attending a drivers school, Russ this is a must for you mate need to learn how to change gear a bit quicker takeing all night between gear changes aint gonna help scalp nobodyBITTTTTIIAAACHHH.....hand bags @ dawn? (happy birthday m8)

And who gives a shite about who is quicker from 100 onwards. How many people actually drive that fast? Not many not often is the answer.

I love the 200 sx, but keep it real guys. Renault have got a legend here. Just admit they are fecking good cars.
I give a shite about 100 plus. And more people than you think.

my 200sx is £1200, and 10+ years old. I am competing against a 2/3 year old £16 car with more power, less wieght. and a more practiced driver ---->>> I LOVE 172's they are cool ---> I don't have any problem with FWD hatches...it's just most of the others on here it appears...

bring on the mods, and the re-match:thumbs: :D :D :rolleyes: :cool:

Mad Man Dan

13-07-2003, 17:07

Hi,

I haven't read all the posts on this thread (couldn't be arsed reading four pages!! :o )

The Clio 172 is a nicely competent car, BUT they don't actually have 172 bhp, despite what Renault claim. Even 'stage one' modded ones (zorst, chip and filter) usually show around 170bhp.

As someone said, the Clio is geared much shorter. With lighter weight he may have had advantage in your particular 'exchange'. If you'd kept the 2***** 'on boost' then you should have been able to smoke him.

I don't wanna patronise you mate, but if the Clio pissed on you then you might wanna get your car checked out... or buy a metro! ;) (j/k m8)

BTW - The Clios handle pretty well, which is why they whizz round a track fairly well, but if the driver of a 2***** knows what they're doing then the Clio should disappear into the distance.

Also, someone mentioned the v6 Clio earlier. The later revised versions are better, but the early versions are extremely 'skittish' (read as 'dangerous') on the limit. Fast in straight line, but again, a 250bhp S13 with some decent suspension and brakes should be able to stay with one on track.

Mad Man Dan

13-07-2003, 17:13

lol!

King.Stromba, just read your post at the top of the page mate...

... drop me a line the next time you attend a track day. Nothing serious, just a bit of friendly competition.

If you're gonna come on and claim your Clio Williams can smoke a 2*****, then you should be able to prove it, and mine's 'standardish' ;)

BTW - My younger bro just swapped his R5GTT with GT Tuning goodies on it for a modded Clio 16v. Nice cars... just a bit slow ;)

Phill

13-07-2003, 20:30

A 172 had a bit of a pop at me the other night. I was coming home and I suddenly noticed that he was so far up my ass that I couldn't see his head lights. I dropped it down to third and he was with me until about 80 and then I just left him for dust!! :D :D :D

Dan@DB-Power

14-07-2003, 00:14

And the V6 would not get dusted by many cars, so that post ealier about some guy 'destroying' one in his 200sx is boll**ks

I reckon Jackal (http://www.sxoc.com/site/rides/ride.php?Member_ID=137) could have a V6. The specs I have found for them is 0-60 6.4 secs, 230bhp and a top speed of 147mph. Which is pretty poo for £30k's worth of machine.

If Jackal couldn't I could mention a few that could breeze it.

Paul S13 (http://www.sxoc.com/site/rides/ride.php?Member_ID=76)
Richie (http://www.sxoc.com/site/rides/ride.php?Member_ID=112)
Gary sca
and probably quite a few more. Although the V6 model may be good on handling and track use, I just don't think it lives up to it name IMO.

Dan, :thumbs:

dunc

14-07-2003, 22:09

Whats the advantage to changing gear without using the clutch?

14-07-2003, 22:20

Originally posted by dunc
Whats the advantage to changing gear without using the clutch?
After a couple of goes you get to buy yourself a shiny new gearbox :thumbs:

dunc

14-07-2003, 22:33

Originally posted by JB
After a couple of goes you get to buy yourself a shiny new gearbox :thumbs:

Thats what I was thinking, must be a reason for it though?

14-07-2003, 22:39

Originally posted by dunc
Thats what I was thinking, must be a reason for it though?
Changing gear whilst sidestepping the clutch improves acceleration time (until you fcuk the gearbox that is).

Basically you accelerate hard and when you get to the point where you would normally operat the clutch to change gear you don't. Instead you keep your right foot flat on the throttle and force the gearlever through to the next gear. As you haven't had to lift off the throttle, provided you got the gearchange right it maintains your momentum, avoiding the slight dop in acceleration you would get if opperating the clutch.

A decent roadtester for a mag would do this to extract the best possible 0-60 time for a car.

You'd have to have more money than sense or be terminally stupid to try it more than a couple of times on your own car though, for obvious reasons.

Dave H

14-07-2003, 22:51

Originally posted by JB

You'd have to have more money than sense or be terminally stupid to try it more than a couple of times on your own car though, for obvious reasons.

Or if your company's paying for it, 3 gearbox's, 2 engines, tyres every 4K, then wrote it off!!

Before you call me mechanically unsympathetic I hated that car, I always got a better courtesy car when it was off the road, due to becoming friendly with the service manager LOL.

btw it was an escort 1.8TurD, thought I'd be getting a focus, it deserved to die and slow and painfull death http://www.pistonheads.com/include/images/hehe.gif http://www.pistonheads.com/include/images/hehe.gif http://www.pistonheads.com/include/images/hehe.gif

dunc

14-07-2003, 23:15

Originally posted by Hotrod
escort 1.8TurD,

:D :D

Cheers for the info JB :thumbs:

russ655

15-07-2003, 00:02

Originally posted by Phill
A 172 had a bit of a pop at me the other night. I was coming home and I suddenly noticed that he was so far up my ass that I couldn't see his head lights. I dropped it down to third and he was with me until about 80 and then I just left him for dust!! :D :D :D

95 S14:thumbs: touring, Blitz SUS, 60mm Autometer boost and oil temp, Greddy Pillar pod, ERL Water Injection, Bren FMIC, Black Samco's, Bren Device, Denzo's, Blitz dual tubby timer, Momo race steering wheel, dropped 40mm, 18" O.Z's Superleggera's, Walbro pump, Bren Spec R system, dano tubby elbow, downpipe and de-cat, Nismo 555's,Blitz SBOV, Mintex 4411's . . .

I wonder why...!!! :D :D

A decent roadtester for a mag would do this to extract the best possible 0-60 time for a car.

You'd have to have more money than sense or be terminally stupid to try it more than a couple of times on your own car though, for obvious reasons.

thats our Si, and his warrenty...:rolleyes:

Anyway, remeber, mine is standard and is old, his is new...

His is lighter, more power (200sx's were rumoured to only have 160bhp mostly. Clios have 172ps when 'run in' correctly)

Anyway, exhaust and filter and he will be toast.

Why, moderators has this thread been moved to "Non 200sx related chat", it is pretty 200sx related.:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Keith_C

15-07-2003, 00:05

Originally posted by king.stromba
And the V6 would not get dusted by many cars, so that post ealier about some guy 'destroying' one in his 200sx is boll**ks

Took out one of those the other day. FWD Clio 172's I respect, as it's easier to drive them fast as it's easier to sort them out if you creep past the limit, and they're very competent little cars for the money (had one hassling me down a roundabout-riddled DC the other week - took me three roundabouts to successfully get past the bastard), but the V6 is firmly in the same class as us on every count, yet I find its lack of go concerning - doubly so given the price.