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I was nearly killed by some ignorant blind old mother****** on the M6 yesterday...!
I was driving along on the second overtaking lane, at 120 on the dot, this fool pulls out in front of me!!! right in fu**in front of me!
gently apply the brakes cause if I slammed on em we talkin pile up...the fool still keeps moving into my lane ...my passengers, all shut there eyes, my mate starts kinda squeelin like a girl "oh f*ck ahh" lol ....I squeezed between the ****er and the centre reservation but if the window was down i coulda touched the divider and my friend coulda touched the van
do people not look???!! :mad: :mad:
Perhaps it was an error of judgement, due to the speed you were doing?
hmmm....
you're driving at speeds that would instantly get you disqualified and you blame the other guy. I'll give you 2 guesses as to what he thinks of your driving...
Nah - I'd blame the car behind him.
Had it myself earlier - traffic suddenly came to a stop on the M25, I'd left a decent gap as I know what the M25 can be like, but I had to use the whole of my gap to temper my braking so the pillock in the Clio sport sitting 3 inches off my bumper didn't slam into the back of me.
speed like that is not advisable, for the reason that you've found.
Oh and ppl don't look. ever... apart from me. which is why i'm not dead yet :rolleyes:
Pauly_Boy
07-07-2003, 00:43
M25 is full of novice drivers :rolleyes: :mad:
Was going along yesterday, some pillock driving in the 3rd over taking lane, with not a single other car within 200 metres of him, doing about 65!!
Roadworks on the M3, had a Tescos lorry sitting litrally 6 inches from my rear bumper, and the arse was reving the engine! should have got my 1,000,000 candle power spotlight and blinded the git.
amazing
I read this post tonight and thought... "at 120 most people are not going to see you coming..." but didn't comment cause I thought I might seem a little, well, you know.. S14 driver :D
But seeing as everyone else here is the usual common sense kinda person then i'll pass judgement.
If your doing 120 you gotta expect people to not see you gaining on them quickly!
thejames
07-07-2003, 00:54
Originally posted by Bandit
do people not look???!! :mad: :mad:
No. They don't.
Thats why advanced drivers and motorcyclists make for better drivers. It teaches them to lift their vision.
Fair enough, do your 120. Im no angel either. :rolleyes: ;) But i cant believe you posted, criticising another car's driving after saying you were doing such a speed. You're asking for a flaming and to kill someone.
Our cars can handle the speeds. People (Normally over road-users) can't. It doesn't have to be your mistake that kills you, one of your passengers, or a bus-load of kids.
Just remembered!! And, you said you had passengers... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Ignore me. It's probably the cider talking.
marty_t3
07-07-2003, 02:35
The other guy probably did look... and thought, "it's ok to pull out cuz he's miles behind us"
Personally i think you're just as much at fault there .... it's not a particularly smart thing to do... travelling at 120 with cars just 5 feet away in the next lane...
you should have looked yourself and saw the traffic and slowed to a sensible speed.
The thread points out one of the reasons why the Road Kills section was removed from public viewing.
A word of advice for all of you:
Drive with your headlights on - even in the daytime
Always on the M/way (you'd be amazed how much difference it makes, especially when it comes to people who rarely use their mirrors) and also in Town.
I used to think Volvo drivers where complete knobs 'cos they always had their lights on but I have to admit they've got it right.
Try it - people are aware you are there because they think ' why's that bloke got his lights on'.
:thumbs:
Originally posted by Ripper
Drive with your headlights on - even in the daytime
Definately. I always turn my lights on if I want to drive "enthusiastically", especially overtaking on two laned roads. It is amazing how much easier it is to judge the speed of a car if it has it's lights on. The lower the lights to the ground the easier it is, making fog lights ideal (That will upset a few people
:rolleyes: ).
Martin T
07-07-2003, 08:25
Originally posted by Ripper
A word of advice for all of you:
Drive with your headlights on - even in the daytime
Always on the M/way (you'd be amazed how much difference it makes, especially when it comes to people who rarely use their mirrors) and also in Town.
I used to think Volvo drivers where complete knobs 'cos they always had their lights on but I have to admit they've got it right.
Try it - people are aware you are there because they think ' why's that bloke got his lights on'.
:thumbs:
Thats what I do in my van. It defiantely works.
Originally posted by thejames
Fair enough, do your 120. Im no angel either. :rolleyes: ;) But i cant believe you posted, criticising another car's driving after saying you were doing such a speed. You're asking for a flaming and to kill someone.
Exactly. Fair enough to do that sort of speed when there's nobody else about but when there's other cars it's absolutely insane not to slow down. Most folk looking in there mirror wouldn't be expecting you to be closing on them at that sort of speed. So you can't really blame them.
Also. why didn't you go into lane 3. If there was another car in lane 3 to prevent you does that mean you were racing someone or that the motorway was busy?
Either way, stupid post mate.
PhilMorrison
07-07-2003, 09:38
agree with the above, if your traveling that sort of speed, u should expect every person ur overtaking to do that.
Originally posted by JB
Also. why didn't you go into lane 3. If there was another car in lane 3 to prevent you does that mean you were racing someone or that the motorway was busy?
Either way, stupid post mate.
He did - second overtaking lane.
Originally posted by andyf
He did - second overtaking lane.
Oh ar, you be clever Andy :wack:
turbo pete
07-07-2003, 10:32
Maybe this an opportunity to put some pointers down for driving at speed for some of the less experienced drivers.
Here are a few observations I have made in my years of driving.
1. Speed doesn't kill. Shit driving kills.
2. Assume everyone is about to do something totally stupid.
3. When on the motorway I try not to pass motorists with a difference in speed of more than 20mph. So for example if somone is doing 40mph in lane 2 I would slow down to 60mph. If they were in lane 1 I would be happy to do 70mph due to some extra distance between myself and their car. The thread above indicates what happens if the difference in speed is too great. Assuming the vehicle being driven in lane 2 was doing 70 mph the nissan would have been coming up at a relative speed of 50mph. That is a lot of speed to lose.
Another thing that happens when you travel at very high speeds is that joe public is not used to anticipating such speeds. At 120mph you are covering alot of ground. I religiously check my mirrors every couple of seconds and every time I change a lane. But many people don't bother checking so often. The driver who pulled out in the thread above had probably checked his mirrors seconds before and assumed it was safe to pull out. The driver may actually have seen the nissan but would not have anticipated a vehicle covering such a huge amount of ground in such a short time.
Yet another problem that can occur is shock. When I had first started driving I passed a car which was in lane two doing 60mph. Lets just say I was going very quick. The driver of said car didn't see me coming up and when I passed him he was so shocked he swerved slightly. So I reckon a top tip is to maintain a relative speed of no more than +20mph to give yourself chance to stop or slow when the other car does something mad.
4. Driving with lights on is ace. My nissan is grey. The same colour as tarmac. It blends in to the road nicely on a sunny day. The lights stand out and make the car more visible. I just use my sidelights. Save the pop ups for night. It makes sense.
5. Modify your speed for drivers behind you. Insurance companies normally blame 100% a drvier who drives into the back of another vehicle. BUT i had a bump on the motorway when I was a novice driver and a women drove into the back of me when I had to brake suddenly for another vehicle which had a nasty skid. Afterwards I was chatting to a friend who was considerably more experienced than me at driving and he pointed out that I should have observed that she was driving too close. He suggested that I was to blame for the accident too. And he was right. I take alot more care now to control the distance of vehicles behind me now. I slow down to give myself more distance to stop. I sometimes show the brake lights or dab the brake lights on and off to encourage the driver behind to drop back. Occasionally I drop my speed gradually to create some space for me and then accelerate away and use the space I have created. On occasions I might do this two or three times. Trying to maintain an equibrium and allow for the nonce behind me. Ultimately, if the driver behind just does't get it I move over and let them pass. Once on the open road it is easy enough to make them dissappear. But when busy it pays to have idiots in front rather than behind.
6. Be courteous. even with idiots. A look says it all if someone has done soemthing bad to you. And if you cock up, a smile and a sorry diffuses the situation quickly.
There is so much to know about high speed driving. And I aint talking about 120mph either. 40mph is fast on some roads.
Anyone want to add some of their own pointers. Rather than flaming bandit anymore. He might learn something then.
And I might learn something too.
Applauds "text book Pete" :D:D
The bit about the 20mph speed differential when overtaking is so true :thumbs:
Originally posted by turbo pete
1. Speed doesn't kill. Shit driving kills.
Pete has made some spot-on observations :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy
I think the first one is the most important.
I just wish the tax collectors - sorry, I meant Police:rolleyes: - would concentrate on what REALLY matters instead of meeting statistics and printing money.
They might get some respect - not that they seem to give a toss.....:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Originally posted by turbo pete
1. Speed doesn't kill. Shit driving kills.
Defo
Yup and you are usually proved correct
[B]4. Driving with lights on is ace. My nissan is grey. The same colour as tarmac. It blends in to the road nicely on a sunny day. The lights stand out and make the car more visible. I just use my sidelights. Save the pop ups for night. It makes sense.
slight prob for me is that the MKIV Starions use the sides in the pop-ups, so I have to have my popups up all the time. But I will consider this, it is an interesting point... Hmm...
5. Modify your speed for drivers behind you. I've got a prob with that, maybe coz I live in Crawley when the only way other people drive is attached to your tail pipe and they are too stupid to back off - plus I can't get out of the way. Tho I think that
I sometimes show the brake lights or dab the brake lights on and off to encourage the driver behind to drop back. is a perfect idea and I do, regularly.
6. Be courteous. even with idiots. A look says it all if someone has done soemthing bad to you. And if you cock up, a smile and a sorry diffuses the situation quickly.
Courtesy costs nothing. Whether in a shop, car, office meeting or terrorist situation (like Tescos carpark) it costs nothing to be nice to someone.
Bandit, consider yourself "flamed" :D
I saw this happen to a Policecar last year.
Was on the A21 (two lanes).
I was in the slow lane doing 65mph and this policecar went flying past me at about 130mph with its blue lights on. 500yrds in front of me this person also in the slow lane just pulls out in front of him at 60mph.
The Policeman must have sh1te himself. The Peugeot 406 Policecar nearly stacked it. He went from 130mph - 60 mph in 2 seconds and fcuk did the car not look good. He must have huge dents in his brake disks!!
Just goes to show that even if you have blue lights there is no guarantee that the blind people will see you. I must admit I saw the cop car from about 1/2 mile away in my rear view mirror.
When I worked in France a few years ago I once got caught out on the A26 going to Calais. Doing an indicated 130 on a 2 lane stretch of motorway when this lorry doing 50mph pulls out to overtake another lorry doing 49.99mph right in front of me. Braked really hard, the car went to the left and briefly scraped the armco. Luckily there was only slight damage to the front wing but I learned my lesson after that I can tell you.
Martin T
07-07-2003, 17:37
Originally posted by JB
when this lorry doing 50mph pulls out to overtake another lorry doing 49.99mph right in front of me.
Truck drivers do that. Why I will never understand? If its 0.1 of a MPH, then cant it wait for the HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE gap behind me?
Originally posted by Martin T
Truck drivers do that. Why I will never understand? If its 0.1 of a MPH, then cant it wait for the HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE gap behind me?
I dont get it either. and then theres the times they cant get past up the hill after slowing the traffic to 40mph and just have to pull back in.
speed limiters on trucks are mostly to blame for this imho.
Martin T
07-07-2003, 17:57
No I think the drivers are. 1MPH x 10 hours = an extra 10 mins per day. However, the conjestion of the 2 mile talebacks costs about 1000 Man hours:mad:
And why the fvck do they try to overtake just BEFORE a hill. wait until thewy go downhill for gods sake.
Plus the govt should allow those speed limiters to have a cut function for say 5 % of the time so when they do overtake, they get at least an extra 5 MPH.
Originally posted by stoofer
speed limiters on trucks are mostly to blame for this imho.
No, crap, thoughtless and inconsiderate driving on the part of certain lorry drivers is to blame.
Originally posted by JB
No, crap, thoughtless and inconsiderate driving on the part of certain lorry drivers is to blame.
you're right, there was me trying to see the good in everyone. kill em all! :thumbs:
120mph = couple of months on your bike
140mph = couple of months inside....
:rolleyes:
Martin T
07-07-2003, 20:32
Originally posted by JB
No, crap, thoughtless and inconsiderate driving on the part of certain lorry drivers is to blame.
Deffo agree with that.
Originally posted by Ripper
A word of advice for all of you:
Drive with your headlights on - even in the daytime
Always on the M/way (you'd be amazed how much difference it makes, especially when it comes to people who rarely use their mirrors) and also in Town.
I used to think Volvo drivers where complete knobs 'cos they always had their lights on but I have to admit they've got it right.
Volvos being sweedish where it is dark a lot of the time have their head lights on constanly, they can't stop it, so they are ok. This could be one of the times when i've been wildly misinformed, but I think it is 'illegal' to have your main dipped head lights turned on in good visibility. It is ok to use side lights, just not main beam.
NissanNewbie
07-07-2003, 23:33
And get on a motorbike, seriously i never bought into the biker ethos of it makes you so much more aware but its true, i now expect every one to be a complete idiot on the road and not see me, this way i`m either pleasantly surprised or prepared either way i`m in no danger, you`ll also learn about planning i would never consider doing the speeds you mentioned on roads with traffic on a bike or in a car, i save those kinds of figures for when i`m blatting up and down the country at 3am in the morning and i`m the only one on the road.
Where would you have gone had the tyre blown?? just as a matter of interest?? at 120 you would be looking at a major throw into the central reservation or the traffic to your left, i know tyres are rated for set speed but unfortunately they aren`t rated for british road conditions, i avoided (cos i had seen it about 500 metres before i arrived at it) a plank in the outside lane of the M1 about 4 weeks ago, at 120 it would have either destroyed the wheels or launched me into the air, neither of which i fancied.
What i`m saying is there is a time and place for speed and surrounded by traffic isn`t it, you`re not leaving yourself a margin of error either in your own driving or those of others.
I agree with the tailgating statement but if someone is in that much of a hurry then let them past and they are no longer a threat to you.
Seriously as my first point states do a bike course it will massively improve your awareness. I`ve done all kinds of awareness and defensive driving courses for the military but the bike course switched me on to hazard perception the most purely cos if you don`t your gonna end up dead.
And you`ll notice most bikers drive around with as many lights on as possible :D
At high speeds 120+ its very difficult to estimate the speed. When driving on the derestriced bits in Germany, you have to look into your mirror several times just to estimate the speed of the oncoming car that is 1/2 a mile away.
When driving on a restricted highway you dont expect people to be driving over 120.
Originally posted by Wallers
Volvos being sweedish where it is dark a lot of the time have their head lights on constanly, they can't stop it, so they are ok. This could be one of the times when i've been wildly misinformed, but I think it is 'illegal' to have your main dipped head lights turned on in good visibility. It is ok to use side lights, just not main beam.
No that's foglights. You can put dipped beam on whenever you fancy. Most bikes do afterall.
Originally posted by stoofer
I dont get it either. and then theres the times they cant get past up the hill after slowing the traffic to 40mph and just have to pull back in.
speed limiters on trucks are mostly to blame for this imho.
Speed limiters on trucks are very necessary.
Modern trucks are extremely powerfull, and without limiters, are well capable of breaking the motorway speed limit.
Try stopping a truck at 70+ mph.
turbo pete
08-07-2003, 09:23
Actually the Volvo lights are not dipped headlights. They have separate bulbs called day running lights. I think they are more powerful than side lights.
Originally posted by St Andy
Speed limiters on trucks are very necessary.
Modern trucks are extremely powerfull, and without limiters, are well capable of breaking the motorway speed limit.
Try stopping a truck at 70+ mph.
Totally agree.
You can just imagine, with the pressure some of these guys are under to make delivery times etc, seeing them blast past at 100mph and taking a mile and a half to do an emergency stop without limiters.
Originally posted by turbo pete
Actually the Volvo lights are not dipped headlights. They have separate bulbs called day running lights. I think they are more powerful than side lights.
Can't speak for all Volvos but mine runs continuously on side lights AND dipped headlights. Most V/S 40s also run on dipped lights as well as those dreadful orange yank side running lights.
»» RichardK ««
08-07-2003, 10:53
M25 is full of novice drivers
Nova drivers? Ohhhh NOVICE drivers. Bah, same thing!
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