Seatbelts????

[GrahamB]

Just interested to know if anyone actually wears theirs?

Walking to the station in the mornings I recon its as high as 1 in 5 who don't wear one:eek:

[don]

I always use them. It stops them rattling against the interior plastic. Bloody annoying :D

[Jezz_S13]

I always wear mine, not wanting any unwanted pig attention has a lot to do with it, esp on short trips to the chippy etc.


Originally posted by don
I always use them. It stops them rattling against the interior plastic. Bloody annoying :D

LOL yeah, I 'plug' mine in anyway when i'm in the car alone and hte rears are always buckled up. Really get on my tits when they rattle.

[Dave_S]

Always wear them. Rather have broken ribs than dead!

Dave

[dobergoose]

Saved my life a few years ago, but people have been saved by not wearing them, feel naked if I drive without it.:eek:

[Leon]

i used not to wear it, then got pulled by the pigs, now do wear it coz i cna't afford the fine.

but, if i'm in a crash, teh steering wheel is so close to my legs i won't go out the 'screen. And the belt won't save me either . Ratherpointless really

[Chris_thedr]

Always wear it. Make everyone in the car wear it. Statistically you are much more likely to survive a crash if you are wearing a seatbelt. Their benefits far far outweigh the problems they can cause. In my experience (albeit somewhat limited) occupants that have a major seatbelt injury (eg pelvic fracture, intra-abdominal injury requiring surgery) are better off than occupants of the same car who are not wearing seatbelts (eg head injury, dead, spinal fracture with paralysis).

I am sincerely surprised that some of you don't wear them all the time.

I am surprised that this issue has even been raised in this forum. (no offence Graham B:))

Call me what you will...

[Chris_thedr]

oh and starionman: You probably will go through the windscreen. You'd be surprised what the body will fit through if enough decelleration is applied. Trouble is you get a bit mangled up as you are forced through those tight spaces. And then you land on the road and the 18 wheeler you've just overtaken is unable to brake in time and runs you over. Don't think it doesn't happen, and don't think it won't happen to you.

[piehound]

never wore one , never will , have ben pulled twice and twice i said just fine me and get on with it, never been fined but will pay happily cos i aint gonna wear 1 , in 1985 i was in a capri that turned over and caught fire and it aint no fun when you cant get out the thing when its alight unless some nice chappy had the means to cut the belt, if i want to die in a car i will its my choice and i can and will pay the 30 pound or whatever a go

ps even after the close inspection by the police suprise suprise the belt had locked , nice way to go i think(not) i would have picked a crushed chest and took my chances with the nhs rather than burn, so shove em up your ass and fine me

pieman

ps never gets pissed off but this is doing it now:o :o :o :o :o :o

pss its easy to comment but when your upside down and about to be cooked think about it

[Leon]

fair enough.
i know the risks yet i wear it anyway, like i said, can't afford the fine.

but if i wan't and i was hit, how could i got through the screen with everything below my wait below the steering wheel? other than half of me yes, half no. which is fine

[yeager]

clunk click every trip


a bit like


drunk nit every night


which i am

right now

ffs i gotta stop drinking... someone help me !

[Dave_S]

Originally posted by Starionman
fair enough.
i know the risks yet i wear it anyway, like i said, can't afford the fine.

but if i wan't and i was hit, how could i got through the screen with everything below my wait below the steering wheel? other than half of me yes, half no. which is fine

I'd assume with Chris actually being a Dr and not just a clever name :rolleyes: :D He's seen the results :(

Dave

[Leon]

Originally posted by pieman
never wore one , never will , have ben pulled twice and twice i said just fine me and get on with it, never been fined but will pay happily cos i aint gonna wear 1 , in 1985 i was in a capri that turned over and caught fire and it aint no fun when you cant get out the thing when its alight unless some nice chappy had the means to cut the belt, if i want to die in a car i will its my choice and i can and will pay the 30 pound or whatever a go

ps even after the close inspection by the police suprise suprise the belt had locked , nice way to go i think(not) i would have picked a crushed chest and took my chances with the nhs rather than burn, so shove em up your ass and fine me

pieman

ps never gets pissed off but this is doing it now:o :o :o :o :o :o

pss its easy to comment but when your upside down and about to be cooked think about it

yup
my thoughts exactly
tho i cna't afford the £1000 fxed penalty...

[Leon]

Originally posted by Dave_S
I'd assume with Chris actually being a Dr and not just a clever name :rolleyes: :D He's seen the results :(

Dave

well he in Aussy, i think, so he won't be seeing mine then :)

[piehound]

guys the statisics say you should wear em if it wasnt for that thing i had ages ago i would too, so easy choice ,
take your chance and pay the fine or comply to the law, in my case i will pay every time

pie

[piehound]

ermmmmmmmmmmmmm going through the screen is easy its kinetic energy , you moving forward at x leptons , car stops , you still going x leptons, you got to go somewhere, you will and can bend and fit through the iccle space

pieman

[Leon]

does this mean i'll be grated rather than squished?

[Chris_thedr]

1. Pieman: It is appreciated that seat belts are not perfect. They have to be designed to be so comfortable that you don't realise you are wearing one, restraining equally over your entire body in a fraction of a second so as to avoid seatbelt injury, and simple to undo in an emergency. Inherently this is a nightmare to design, and as such the prefect seatbelt / restraint has yet to be designed. I believe race harnesses are less likely to "lock up" on you - but they are a hassel and are not comfortable.

2. Starionman: I promise you will fit out of your windscreen from behind your steering wheel if there is enough energy and you are not wearing a seatbelt. Lots of people have died this way. I also promise that your head will fit between your horn on your steering wheel and the top part of the actual steering wheel. Your brain may be injured performing this stunt. Not that you will be aware of this.

3. Dave: Yes we have discussed things like this before and I am a doctor. But I am a junior doctor. I am doing surgical training at a major melbourne hospital. In this position I see plenty of multitrauma both in emergency departments and in operating theatres. I have seen the results of occupants wearing and not wearing seatbelts. I read the journals on this stuff. I know what I'm talking about, but I'm not a professor of trauma surgery or anything (although I do work with professors of trauma).

I think I have made my point of view quite clear, and I can appreciate that not everyone will agree - for whatever reason. But please do give it some serious thought - the statistics we all talk and know about were not made up. They were largely put together from real crashes in which real people died.

[piehound]

chris i aint arguing over the why's and wherefores i am simply saying i choose not to as it is my choice, it should also be any individuals choice to or not to
if i am happy to pay the fine then i can and will opt out of the seatbelt scheme
if i choose to park ilegally , which i do, then that is also my choice
the society we live gives us choices , we choose and use which we like or can suffer

i also speed but i pay my insurance if i didnt i wouldnt need it

i also smoke which is nasty and evil but if i didnt the nhs would be in dire staights , so where do you draw the line at choices with out my fags and tax's i pay, the law and the hospitals would be in a worse state, not to mention that if i had an accident with or without a belt on i would still wait 5 f*****ing days to see a doctor as the waiting time is sh**e

sorry im just waffling as im pished but this big brother attitude really pishes me off

pieman

[vega]

I never wear them, but it is just a bad habit. I usually end up putting it on part way though a journey, I'm in and out of cars all bloody day.

I've been in 2 serious accidents, both times without a seatbelt. On the second accident, I had a passenger, who had his seatbelt on. I walked away uninjured :(

The first one though, after this I swore I would always wear my seatbelt from then on, cos I headbutted the steering wheel, and now my nose is completely fcuked :(

[Vez]

If you had an accident without a seat belt, you body would see a doctor very quickly to pronounce it dead!

[dunc]

Always wear it, I've been busted twice within half a mile of my house, once just a matter of meters away, was fined, the lot (I was the only one in the car both times traveling around 20mph).

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Oh, don't get me started - Where is they're common sense?

Dunc.

[piehound]

well how long do you want live lol,
ive had a good innings
bloody hell did i write all that stuff last night, boy i was pished but all it is its my opinion i dont criticise anyone either way its just i choose not to wear the things after what happened

pieman

ps sorry if i appeared a nark but i really aint 1

[Dave H]

Always wear mine, 2 lads from the village where I live have been killed over the last couple of years, both of them thrown out of the car because they weren't belted up, probably would still be alive today if they had.

Compelling enough reason for me.

What if you roll your car? It would be like being inside a washing machine on spin cycle :eek:

[Nathan_200sx]

Always have it on, feels strange without it.

[RazMan]

I always wear them - no exceptions. Some people catastrophise about what could happen if you wear them - but let's face it, the chance of injury while NOT wearing them is far greater. In an accident you can be thrown all over the place inside the car (and through a window) Remember, accidents are not always head on so the windscreen, steering wheel etc is not the only thing to avoid. What about side impacts, rear end shunts, rolls etc?

Think about it people - it's not rocket science - just simple kinetics :D

[SMiFFAD]

I always wear mine......mainly cos i feel basically naked if im not, something just doesnt feel right.

Think its something to do with my age, i have always worn one since i can remember - so it just like turning the key - do it without thinking.

Also helps that i have been involved with two crashes, both times the seatbelt caught me in time, and witnessed a mate of mine go through a telegraph pole with his 306 - seatbelt possibly saved any injury.

[Paul_S13]

Originally posted by Nathan_200sx
Always have it on, feels strange without it.

Yep me too, I don't feel secure without one.

[thejames]

Originally posted by smiffad
I always wear mine......mainly cos i feel basically naked if im not, something just doesnt feel right.

Think its something to do with my age, i have always worn one since i can remember - so it just like turning the key - do it without thinking.

Snap.

At the end of the day, it needn't be your mistake. Someone else could fcuk up and before you know it, you're, err... dead. As a doodoo. At least a seatbelt gives you half a chance.

[Midgers]

Originally posted by Chris_thedr
... Inherently this is a nightmare to design, and as such the prefect seatbelt / restraint has yet to be designed...
http://www.martin-baker.com/images/eject_mk10l_sm.jpg
I think this one works pretty good :D
basically - squeeses you into the seat, pulls your arms and legs in tight, makes an exit hole and gets 800ft away from the impending mess in under 1.7 seconds. Then releases you from the seat after slowing it down and stabilising it and hangs you on a parachute in around 2 seconds after pulling the handle. On the Eurofighter you might not even have to pull the handle. But the pilot's don't like that idea very much :)

oh and i usually remember to wear my seatbelt :)

[D]

A friend of mine was in an accident on Wednesday evening, I have no idea of the details, but all I know is that she's being transferred to a spinal unit in Oxford today, she's broken her collar bone and bone(s) in her back (but can still move her toes.) She apparently has a huge red mark across her chest where the seat belt did its job. :|

'Nuff said.

I agree, it feels weird driving without it on, so it's always on :)

[gaz.thomas]

Never used to wear a seatbelt until I got stopped by plod. I make a point of it now (unless I'm in my mates herald that doesn't have them.

Gaz
-x-

[Pete C]

Originally posted by smiffad
I always wear mine......mainly cos i feel basically naked if im not, something just doesnt feel right.

Think its something to do with my age, i have always worn one since i can remember - so it just like turning the key - do it without thinking.

I agree completely with Adam here, it feels very strange not wearing one, I also feel very unsafe, it gives me a feeling of security wearing one, even if it is false :|

My mate's 205 GTi has bucket seats with 4 point harnesses in, I think I may get them for my car at some point in the future, trust me you need them the way we drive! :wack: :D :D

[yeager]

Originally posted by MrMidgers
http://www.martin-baker.com/images/eject_mk10l_sm.jpg
I think this one works pretty good :D
basically - squeeses you into the seat, pulls your arms and legs in tight, makes an exit hole and gets 800ft away from the impending mess in under 1.7 seconds. Then releases you from the seat after slowing it down and stabilising it and hangs you on a parachute in around 2 seconds after pulling the handle. On the Eurofighter you might not even have to pull the handle. But the pilot's don't like that idea very much :)

oh and i usually remember to wear my seatbelt :)

zero zero seats rock !!

I wouldn't wanna pull the cord in a Lightning, apparently the instrument panel takes your knee caps off :eek:

[Chris_thedr]

Yeah the ejector seat works well :D But I dare say it would be a little uncomfortable, and a pain to strap into to go to the shops :D So still not a perfect design :p;)

And I wasn't criticising your decision pieman - sorry if it came across like that. Just presenting the facts. I guess one of the sad things about our societies is the level of public ignorance. It's all very well for us to debate the pro's and con's of these issues given we take the time to educate ourselves - this allows us to make a decision. The vast majority of the public are not in this situation and so laws are created for "for their protection" (we are NOT going to discuss the ethics of this!). Hence the seatbelt laws.

Did not intend to put noses out of joint,
Chris. :)

[dobergoose]

MrMidgers can you get me an ejector seat to go with my G-suit?:D

[Midgers]

Sure can Martin, £89,000 and it's yours :D

[JB]

I always wear mine cos it feels so strange not to. Won't dive a car if all the occupants aren't wearing their belts and will refuse to be a front seat passenger in a car if the person behind me won't wear their belt. I don't want someone flying into me in the event of an accident thank you very much.

What really get me going is when I see children and babies in cars wearing no restraints. If it were up to me I'd lock their parent up for child abuse. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Midgers]

Originally posted by D
A friend of mine was in an accident on Wednesday evening...

Hope she's okay D :(

[dunc]

Originally posted by dobergoose
MrMidgers can you get me an ejector seat to go with my G-suit?:D

Oh no, you've got him started again!!!

PMSL :D :D

[siranui]

Wow..looking at the poll, I'm impressed and really pleased to be a club member :)


I'd be dead at least 3 times without belts, and after seeing the wreckage of my citroen that I walked away from, 2 non-wearers in my family were converted on the spot.

[Mike_S13]

Always wear mine.
Probably somthing to do with the fact that my Dad used to design buckles, and my numerous visits to the factory when I was a kid to watch the test rig coming to a complete stop from 20-30mph in about 10cm, and the dummy staying firmly in his seat :)

Even when I was messing about driving on a big field with the BMW I wore it. It felt wierd not to, and I reckon it keeps you in your seat nicely for hard cornering :D (not as good as harnesses though ;) )

[GrahamB]

Originally posted by siranui
Wow..looking at the poll, I'm impressed and really pleased to be a club member :)

Yes I'd really have to agree:thumbs:

Very impressed that my 1 in 5 has been disproved on this site anyway:D

The reason I posted is that my cousin is currently in Basidon intensive care after a nasty accident near Wickford 2 weeks ago.

Got out of it lightly (comparatively) as he has a fractured pelvis from the seat belt:rolleyes:

However, I don't really want to consider what might have happened had he not been wearing one:eek:

The old Martin Baker ejection seat, very useful:D

Wouldn't want to fly in a Mirage either as they used to take the Argentinian pilots knees off too:(

[Martin T]

Originally posted by GrahamB

Wouldn't want to fly in a Mirage either as they used to take the Argentinian pilots knees off too:(

Bloody french build quality!:rolleyes:

[ScoobyDoo]

as soon as I go over 10mph without a belt I get the most annoying "ding ding ding" ringing sound, that'll make anyone put it on.

Nice to see a mature response to the poll, I wonder if the same would happen if this was posted on a Lax Flower type board?

[dobergoose]

Originally posted by GrahamB

Wouldn't want to fly in a Mirage either as they used to take the Argentinian pilots knees off too:(

Wasn't it harriers that took Argentinian Mirage pilots knees off?
Or is that just sick.:eek:

[Midgers]

Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
I wonder if the same would happen if this was posted on a Lax Flower type board?

Let's find out...

http://www.strathycruise.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=8787&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

:D:D:D

[yeager]

Originally posted by MrMidgers
Let's find out...

http://www.strathycruise.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=8787&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

:D:D:D

I was thinking exactly the same thing but I couldn't find a Saxo board !

[Midgers]

tbh I think we'll get a similar result from strathycruise, tends to be that most of the people on there are well into their cars. I went down to one of their cruises, it was full of knobheads, but when I looked at a related thread they were all slagging off the knobheads that were there too. Seems to be that the ones using the board are okay :)

it will be interesting to see tho :D

[Codemonkey]

Originally posted by Mike_S13
Always wear mine.
Probably somthing to do with the fact that my Dad used to design buckles, and my numerous visits to the factory when I was a kid to watch the test rig coming to a complete stop from 20-30mph in about 10cm, and the dummy staying firmly in his seat :)


Heh... and the fact that he'd bloody well finish either of us off if we were in a crash without a belt on...? :)

Is it his buckle that's in the s13? I remember he went off to Japan when I was very ikkle - I think it was to Nissan...

[TomM]

Originally posted by MrMidgers
Seems to be that the ones using the board are okay :)
They've even got their own brand of search police! :rolleyes: :D :D

[deej-79]

I have always worn one, my Mom pounded into my head. Thank god I wore one 6 months ago when I went headfirst into a Golf doing 120km an hour. My chest was bruised from the belt and the steering wheel, I cant imagine if I didnt have one on.

[Gezzmarrelda]

Did a search for this specificaly to see if the poll had been run before after i'd read one of the mods attitude to seatbelts and wondered if feelings had changed much in 3 years:indiff:

[Prior]

after going headfirst through a side window after running my hyundai into a ditch 4 years ago, you bet your arse i wear a seatbelt now.

picking large chunks of glass out of your face while bleeding on the road isnt fun.

[scimmy ben]

Did a search for this specificaly to see if the poll had been run before after i'd read one of the mods attitude to seatbelts and wondered if feelings had changed much in 3 years:indiff:

Mine hasn't I still wear mine, the comment you refer to jumped out at me aswell. He would be wearing one if he was sat behind me in a car, although that's not very likely :wack:

[Sideways Danny]

http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=201109&highlight=crash+testing

this thread is better

my feeling on not wearing belts are fairly strongly stated in it

[Gezzmarrelda]

This is kissing armco at 9mpg;http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=243020&highlight=Driving+god
I'd be dead if i hadn't been belted up,
The girlfriend and i had a MA-HOOSIVE row about it cause she used to tuck the belt under her arm so she was just wearing the lap belt so i'd stop the car every time she did it, she soon learned.

[John Bennett]

Did a search for this specificaly to see if the poll had been run before after i'd read one of the mods attitude to seatbelts and wondered if feelings had changed much in 3 years:indiff:

To make one thing straight now, whoever the particular mod is you're referring to (I don't know), their personal views on seatbelts/whatever have no connection with them being mods and no reflection on the rest of us and our views on seatbelts.

[Bayside Blue]

Racing Seat & Harness for trackdays. Its fooking annoying everyday at 7 in the morning! :wack:

Doh just noticed its an ancient thread lol, thought it got to 3 pages quick.

Some dickheads rolled a corsa round here. 4 people in the car. One bit his lip and took a massive chunk out of it, on was in a back brace for 6 months and the other 2 had broken legs. one because the car ran him over after he flew through the windscreen. Idiotic in my opion.

Still you think they would learn there lesson and all would be well.

But no they've been bragging about it apparently and now they just think they are more invincible, and armed with another car. What retarded thinking. People like that should be put down imo 1. because they are wastes of space. 2. to protect other people from there 'invincible antics'.

[SMiFFAD]

Seatbelts are there for a reason, they've been well tested and saved many a life. I always wear mine, doesnt feel right if i dont. They might do you some damage if you crash, but chances are it will be a lot less that being catapaulted out the windscreen!

Lady work mate of mine refuses to wear a seatbelt in the back, which is just plain selfish as the person in the front might save her life, but probably at the cost of their own :(

Now belt up :p

[_shaun_]

i feel weird without.....i can't sit in the driver seat of front seat without it on!

[stumitch]

Had an accident about 12 yrs ago in a Pug 205 were it slammed into a brick wall nearly putting the passenger side of the engine in the footwell, coz the car is small and i'm large, smacked the windscreen to which i have a 8 inch scar above my eyes and just under my eye brows so quite hidden now as i wear glasses. If i hadn't been wearing the belt well i don't think i'd of been here today, still get shards of glass coming to the surface of my skin when i've been sweating, so yep wear it all the time and feel naked without it.

[Cosmo Kramer]

For some reason I never lost the habit of buckling up as soon as I get in the car ( like I was taught in my lessons) sometimes before I even put the key in the ignition so I do always have it on.

[Polo]

For some reason I never lost the habit of buckling up as soon as I get in the car ( like I was taught in my lessons) sometimes before I even put the key in the ignition so I do always have it on.

Too right, its a habit, sit in the car, belt on, keys in, start and vroom:D it just dont feel right with out one.

[Ari Vatanen]

Always put my belt on :nod:

hit a lamp post @ 50 mph in a Mini when I was the front passenger, the lad in the back (no belt) headbutted the right rear window out and got major cuts to his head and a broken pelvis from slamming into the side of the car :no:

I don't understand people who don't put their belts on, you might think you look cool but you'll look a tw@t if your dead :wack:

[Ari Vatanen]

still get shards of glass coming to the surface of my skin when i've been sweating

PMSL :D

[Gezzmarrelda]

For some reason I never lost the habit of buckling up as soon as I get in the car ( like I was taught in my lessons) sometimes before I even put the key in the ignition so I do always have it on.
I was on an advanced driving course and after we'd stopped for lunch i got back in the car and the instructor said to me with a completely straight face "allways start the car before you put your seatbelt on just incase the steering collumn catches fire":nod:

[The Big Yin]

i dont use seatbelts

i dont even have them in my car

i use a racing harness and feel safer/more secure with one of these. i fact you cant even feel it when wearing it

[BigD]

i have harnesses which are a pain but i still put them on every time.