View Full Version : which engines are bombproof
turbo pete
26-06-2003, 12:03
what engines are capable of >1000bhp with some working.
The skyline engines seem to get sop much praise but are there any other engines as bombproof as the skyline engines.
Jezz_S13
26-06-2003, 12:05
think the Mk4 supra lump is pretty tasty.
What engines do the Royal Navy use in their frigates? They're good for well over 1000 brake...
OR there's the gas turbine from the American Abrams tanks... A bit meaty to say the least, can propell 40 tonnes of tank at 70mph!
Lambo V12's put out about 1200hp in boat racing form.
1984 1500cc Alfa F1 engine put out 1400+bhp in quali tune...
Oh, I suppose they're too Italian. :p
If I was looking for 1000bhp, I'd start with something that puts out about 500 to start with, like a Viper lump.
Stuff it! Get a Merlin and de-tune it to 1000. :D:D:D
Skyline engines can be fiddled with to get that kinda power outta them.... JUN has a MK4 Supra running 1000BHP an a Skyline running the same!
I'm sure I've heard of VG30DETT's being tuned to over 1000bhp :)
EDIT: That would be the engine in the Z32 300ZX for those who didn't know :D
how reliable is the lump in the twin tubby supra????
they've really come down in price now and you can get a good un for 9-10 grand
how long till the tubbys blow on em??
Originally posted by hadyn
...how long till the tubbys blow on em??
2 years, 11 months, 29 days 23 hours and 59 minutes
:p ;)
Paul_S13
26-06-2003, 12:35
The FJ20ET is very strong.
Braintree
26-06-2003, 12:40
Quite a lot of the big power Mk4 Supra's are actually powered by MR2 engines!!
The I4 is much lighter and as tuneable as the I6!!
Of course, the Buggatti 16/4 Veyron is my favourite!!
W16 Quad Turbo with 1017bhp as standard, running a very low psi!
how reliable is the lump in the twin tubby supra????
^^ Very reliable. Lots of forged parts as standard.
they've really come down in price now and you can get a good un for 9-10 grand
^^ Incorrect :p , from what I've seen a decent auto without moon mileage is £11k+ for a '93. Cheap one's on autotrader are either non turbos (SZ / SZ-R) or have high mileage / poor condition.
how long till the tubbys blow on em??
^^ As always, it depends how you look after them. There are standard Supras in the UK with 250,000 miles on the clock and still standard tubbys. J spec spool quicker / produce more torque due to their ceramic internals, but are more likely to exit out your exhaust if you up the boost too much. :wack:
Quite a lot of the big power Mk4 Supra's are actually powered by MR2 engines!!
^^ Fiddle sticks. Yes there are some in the world with the 3S-GTE engine in them, but these are for very specific applications. The 2JZ-GTE is definitely the stronger engine.
The I4 is much lighter and as tuneable as the I6!!
^^ Again, double fiddle sticks. As your teacher would say Please Define! The 3S-GTE produces 245BHP in it's latest revision standard trim, with 300BHP possible without lotsa money spent. The 2JZ-GTE produces in excess of 320BHP in standard trim and 450BHP is easily obtainable. Your sweeping statement has also ignored the characteristics of each engine - the 2JZ-GTE is far more refined and produces more torque at lower RPM's.
Go have a nosey for more facts about the MKIV Supra, @ www.mkivsupra.net/bbs - They are a friendly bunch and it's another busy forum, much like the SXOC. :wave: :thumbs:
Braintree
26-06-2003, 14:12
Originally posted by Feisty Red Head
Quite a lot of the big power Mk4 Supra's are actually powered by MR2 engines!!
^^ Fiddle sticks. Yes there are some in the world with the 3S-GTE engine in them, but these are for very specific applications. The 2JZ-GTE is definitely the stronger engine.
The I4 is much lighter and as tuneable as the I6!!
^^ Again, double fiddle sticks. As your teacher would say Please Define! The 3S-GTE produces 245BHP in it's latest revision standard trim, with 300BHP possible without lotsa money spent. The 2JZ-GTE produces in excess of 320BHP in standard trim and 450BHP is easily obtainable. Your sweeping statement has also ignored the characteristics of each engine - the 2JZ-GTE is far more refined and produces more torque at lower RPM's.
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Still, the MR2 engine is the popular choice for the power hungry!!
It makes the Supra actually pleasant to drive, rather than being a severely heavy undriveable lump!! :p
If only Toyota had consulted their common sense encyclopedia and made the Supra 4WD!!
BanjoMaster
26-06-2003, 14:21
The 3S-GTE was used in the JGTC cars up until the start of this season, and was also used in heavily tuned form in both IMSA Dan Gurney Toyotas (1200bhp with the boost turned up for qualifying, and about 850 for full length endurance races) and the infamous Rod Millen Pikes Peak Celica and Tundra (about 1000bhp at sea level). The 3S-GTE's a brilliant little engine. I think the only reason you don't see more high power turbo MR2s here or abroad is that they're difficult to cool when they're midships mounted.
PazzaAE86
26-06-2003, 15:06
Originally posted by Braintree
It makes the Supra actually pleasant to drive, rather than being a severely heavy undriveable lump!! :p
Hmm, curious.. From my experiance behind the wheel and in the passenger seat of a JZA80 Supra, i cant understand where you are coming from with the "undrivable" part?
Yes, they are heavy but no more so than a GTR, and the Supra has one of the stiffest chassis available in a production car. After driving one, i felt that the car masked its size remarkably well and could certainly be pushed very hard through the corners. Yeah, a 3SGTE powered one would have a more MR feel and balance (Top Secrets 3SGTE conversion technically made the JZA80 "MR" in layout, just like FD3S RX7's are "MR"...) and might be quicker around a circuit.. But 2JZ Supra's are still very competant.
Also, I kinda doubt youve actually driven a 3SGTE powered JZA80? I dont know your past, but im pretty sure there are non in the UK? And if you have even driven a JZA80 with the regular 2JZ engine in it. Ill take back my comment if you have actually spent some track time in a 3SGTE powered Supra or raced in JGTC Supra? Not meaning to cause offence with that comment, just wanna make myself clear..
RWD is the way Supra's have always been and the way they should stay..
Thanks
Paz
R33-Drifter
26-06-2003, 15:12
Originally posted by Braintree
If only Toyota had consulted their common sense encyclopedia and made the Supra 4WD!!
Why would they make the Supra 4WD :confused: Thats why they made a Celica GT-Four :p :D
Toyota have a great high powered car in every class :
FWD : Starlet Turbo
RWD : Supra
AWD : Celica
What more could you want from a company :D
Jezz_S13
26-06-2003, 15:20
Originally posted by AdeGT4
What more could you want from a company :D
One that can design good looking cars. :)
One word.. eh, or a link.. www.t04r.com
Quote from the club rules: Speaking of horsepower, those of you wishing to become a member of this exclusive club, first, and foremost, you must make the power, 700 hp at the crank to be exact.
The MR2 Celica and Supra are pure sex on wheels!!
MMmmmmmmmmmmm look at the Supra's behind MMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
PazzaAE86
26-06-2003, 15:28
Originally posted by Jezz_S13
One that can design good looking cars. :)
Haha, whit?! ehhe..
I think JZA80 Supra's, ST205 Celica's, JZX100 Mark II's, MZ21 and JZZ30 Soarer's etc (i could go on!) are all very striking cars, especially for the times they were designed... Certainly on par with anything other manufacturers make.
Of late however, Toyota havent made any particularly awesome looking cars .. Whereas Nissan have the 350Z and V35 Skyline Coupe on the way (but neither were in house designs?).
Paz
Cant complain about the looks of the Supra. Still looks great. Even the MR2 is not that bad.
R33-Drifter
26-06-2003, 15:30
Originally posted by Jezz_S13
One that can design good looking cars. :)
How can you say such a thing Jezz :eek: :eek: ;) :D
I cant see how anyone can not like the looks of an EP82 Starlet, AE86 Corolla, ST205 Celica and JZA80 Supra. They are all fantastic looking cars :thumbs: :notworthy :notworthy
DOOO YAAAAAAAAA balls swing low, can ya swing em..............
Originally posted by Braintree
Still, the MR2 engine is the popular choice for the power hungry!!
It makes the Supra actually pleasant to drive, rather than being a severely heavy undriveable lump!! :p
If only Toyota had consulted their common sense encyclopedia and made the Supra 4WD!!
ROFL - what planet are you on m8? As has been said before me by Ade, it sounds like you're after a Celica GT-4 if you're after the 3S-GTE and 4WD.
"MR2 engine is the popular choice for the power hungry!!" - WTF??!?? I can count the number of street Supras in the world with the 3S-GTE engine in them that I've heard of on one hand. You're obviously not too hot on the old statistics either, are you?
As for the Supra being unpleasant to drive and a heavy undriveable lump - you totally lost any respect of your opinion from me. The Supra is a big heavy car in the same light as the Skyline yes, but it can corner faster than most - the handling is extremely composed and quite incredible. Toyota didn't fit double wishbone suspension front and rear for no reason. In fact, if you look at cornering G figures, the MkIV Supra can pull more than the majority of sports cars can.
And whilst your opinion is purely fantasy, mine is entirely factual from my own first hand experience.
Actually, MrMidgers on this board recently had a passenger ride in my Supra along some local country roads - lets have his opinion on the statement about the Supra "being a severely heavy undriveable lump!! "
Originally posted by Braintree
Still, the MR2 engine is the popular choice for the power hungry!!
No. The MR2 engine is the popular choice for those wishing to turn a Supra into a race car when the race series has a horsepower limit. You can make the MR2 make all the power the limit allows nice and reliably, it shifts the weight back far enough the car is classed as mid-engined, and it revs more easily than the torque-oriented 2JZ.
If there were no power limits I think it would be likely that the JGTC cars would either be powered by the 2JZ and researched enough to get that long-stroke engine revving sweetly, or more likely they'd have built up the 1JZ which (ignoring certain zealots) is a superb engine and, due to its free revving nature probably a better 'race' engine than the 2JZ, which as I say is designed to make torque and lots of it at the cost of revs.
Bomb proof engines are:
Anything made by Toyota except for the 7M-GTE, and even that can be made bomb proof with a bit of work. Special note goes to the 1JZ, 2JZ and 3S, all three aquiring a formidable reputation.
Mercedes straight-sixes. They'll sneer at a half million miles and say they've barely been run in.
Nissans RB's, and the FJ. You can judge for yourself on the CA and SR. VG requires more work than one of Toyota's 7M's to get up to standard, but it can be done.
Mazda vvankel. Intelligent care and a decent rebuild will result in an extremely capable engine.
Misti Evo engine. Very strong out the tin, and can take a healthy increase. Look at Norris' car for best example.
Was going to carry on but can't be arsed. :D
sroberts
26-06-2003, 19:55
The 1.4 lump in the Nova SR, sooooooooooooooooo much power :D :D :D :D :D
Si :)
Ahhh, Keith - a man with sense :thumbs:
StreetPizza
26-06-2003, 21:11
Mazda vvankel. Intelligent care and a decent rebuild will result in an extremely capable engine.
Especially the triple rotor 20b. I've heard claims (though admittedly not seen proof) of these beasties pushing out 8-900 horses, and only being mildly stressed at that :eek:
SilEighty
26-06-2003, 22:02
so the SR20DET isnt mentioned? not as good as i thought?
Braintree
26-06-2003, 22:16
Ok gonna keel over here.
Just expressing my oppinion!!
I'm not a lover of Supra's, that's all!! Each to their own!!
I won't deny the Supra is an awesome car, coz it is. Just my oppinion in that I don't like them. Rather have a GTO any day!!
Originally posted by Braintree
Ok gonna keel over here.
Just expressing my oppinion!!
I'm not a lover of Supra's, that's all!! Each to their own!!
I won't deny the Supra is an awesome car, coz it is. Just my oppinion in that I don't like them. Rather have a GTO any day!!
A GTO with a 3S-GTE engine by any chance? :D
P.S. The GTO is a heavier more cumbersome car than a Supra :p
Bomb proof uber horsepower, Can't go wrong with an Aero engine :notworthy
http://www.everettaero.com/engines.html
1350HP weighing 142Kg's for £4K? tell me that isn't a bargain :)
...but why does it have to be called a gnome? :D
Braintree
26-06-2003, 22:24
In my personal oppinion again . . . . . . .
No, GTO with the original engine, wouldn't touch Toyota with a barge pole!!
And I honestly do think the GTO drives nicer than the Supra!!
I have driven quite a few GTO's, and I will admit to only driving 3 supra's, but still i prefer the feel and drive of the GTO!!
Originally posted by Braintree
In my personal oppinion again . . . . . . .
No, GTO with the original engine, wouldn't touch Toyota with a barge pole!!
And I honestly do think the GTO drives nicer than the Supra!!
I have driven quite a few GTO's, and I will admit to only driving 3 supra's, but still i prefer the feel and drive of the GTO!!
I highly doubt you have driven one Supra, nevermind 3 going by your comments.
Braintree
26-06-2003, 22:41
Originally posted by ThunDeR
I highly doubt you have driven one Supra, nevermind 3 going by your comments.
Well that would be where you're wrong!!
I could have said that obviously you haven't driven a GTO by way of your somments, saying it is more cumbersome!! But funnily enough i didn't question that!!
Martin T
26-06-2003, 22:50
Originally posted by Ivanski
Bomb proof uber horsepower, Can't go wrong with an Aero engine :notworthy
http://www.everettaero.com/engines.html
1350HP weighing 142Kg's for £4K? tell me that isn't a bargain :)
...but why does it have to be called a gnome? :D
How come thats soo cheep? I thought gas turbine engines cost a bomb to buy - as in hundreds of thousands of pounds.
And yes that is a bargain:)
Now if only I could get one to develop the power quickly!
It's kinda been said now, but I just thought I'd let you know that when I was a passenger in Thunder's Supra it felt Far from heavy and undriveable. Yeah I'm speaking as a passenger and maybe it was his Skills, but 140ish leptons down roads you can nearly have both wingmirrors in the bushes (well that's what it felt like ;) ) can't be done in an undriveable lump.
I was mightyly impressed :thumbs:
and a little jealous;)
Oh yeah and one rather large badger wouldn't be here if the supra didn't hold the road under braking as well as it did :eek: :D
:notworthy
Originally posted by MrMidgers
It's kinda been said now.....
...Oh yeah and one rather large badger wouldn't be here if the supra didn't hold the road under braking as well as it did :eek: :D
:notworthy
Yeah that was one BFO badger that! :eek:
Cheers for giving us an honest & unbiased opinion Graham :thumbs:
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