View Full Version : LOST - The End **Major Spoilers**
disco-tom
24-05-2010, 21:35
What the s***ting f**k!?!?!?
So, the other reality that's been running this last season turns out to be a purgatory of sorts which a load of the dead folks from the island have created for themselves to find each other in the afterlife.
OK, fair enough, I can buy that.
But...
Half the damn folks in the church at the end hadn't frickin' died for crying out loud!!! Desmond, Hurley, Kate, Sawyer, Penny (who wasn't even ever on the bloody island), Claire, baby Aaron, Rose & Bernard and even Ben lingering around outside - all still alive at the conclusion to the show in what we are led to believe is the actual real life part of the story. FFS, still so many unanswered and ignored loose ends. I frickin' hate loose ends in TV shows and Movies. Well, in anything really.
I think I would have bought just about anything they told me if they actually frickin' told me it was so and not just alluded to. I wanted the island to actually have a point to its existence, but have they ever explained it? Have they arse.
Meh, I guess the writers will give themselves a nice big pat on the back and they can say "well, we left it open to interpretation so you can make your own ending up". But I'll say that's a crock of shit excuse to get out of actually writing the show a conclusion.
I f**cking knew they were going to end it in some shit way like this.... http://faccine.forumfree.net/wallbash.gif
...
Piccard has watched the ending:
(Data is indifferent, but then, he is a robot afterall)
http://xbradtc.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/facepalm.jpg
And just because one facepalm isn't enough to convey it, I'll link this huge faceplam, too.
http://lpdc.be/colar/brols/facepalm.jpg
Oh and, Flash Forward (which was shaping up to be a very good show) has been cancelled. V beat it in some stupid ass viewing figures so they canned Flash Forward to greenlight more seasons of V (which is an OK show, but not that great imo)..
Sideways14a
24-05-2010, 21:38
Yanks cannot do series enders... just look at the American version of LOM for evidence of that :wack:
what flash forward is gone????
And it was just getting somewhere its the only thing i watch tv for
AshT_200
24-05-2010, 22:35
I have no idea what you are on about.....
Never seen 1 pisode of Lost.... have I missed much?
Tom, Jacks dad said everyone died at some point or another, not necessarily on the island. My interpretation was that the island was real, the ones on the plane got off the island but died later (maybe a crash, maybe old age?) hurley and co died eventually on the island and the alternative reality was the 'passing' stage.
I did say at the end of season 1 they were all dead though.
Sideways Simon
24-05-2010, 23:09
FFS that has my head wrecked!!!!! i know as much about now as i did on episode 1!!!! and at the very end as the credits rolled and it showed the wreckage of the plane on the beach , was that not meant to be the plane that the pilot, soyer and miles were on that crashed , as than that would explain why they were in the church at the end?? No explantion of the island at all??
and whats this about flash forward being cancelled?
Many points un answered still though.
What was the Dharma initiative?
Where are Walt and Michael?
Where is Whitmore?
Was Faradays mother in the church at the end?
Why in the Sideways reality was Jack with Juliet when if the reality was a projection of his ideal reality (happy in work, cured John Locke) he should have been with Kate?
I have no idea what you are on about.....
Never seen 1 pisode of Lost.... have I missed much?
Same here. I thought it was about some people ship/plane wrecked on an island and how they survived. Whats all this about purgatory?!
Oh well. Maybe I'll watch it one day. If I ever have absolutely nothing else to do and the choice is Lost or some soap opera or death.
Think I watched it up to Season 3 or 4 and then lost hope in it ever giving any bloody answers...
...But did we ever find out what the scary black robot cloud thing that mashed up the jungle was?.....I don't hold much hope BTW:D
...But did we ever find out what the scary black robot cloud thing that mashed up the jungle was?.....I don't hold much hope BTW:D
Yep they did tie that one up. The last season was pretty much a good vs evil battle on the island between two brothers, one being Jacob [the good] and the other being his brother, who was never named, but he could turn into the black smoke.
Jacob clocked his brother round the head when they were younger and pushed him downstream into the 'heart' of the island which contained the islands energy source. This gave him immortality and the ability to turn into the smoke monster.
Quite realistic.
Yep they did tie that one up. The last season was pretty much a good vs evil battle on the island between two brothers, one being Jacob [the good] and the other being his brother, who was never named, but he could turn into the black smoke.
Jacob clocked his brother round the head when they were younger and pushed him downstream into the 'heart' of the island which contained the islands energy source. This gave him immortality and the ability to turn into the smoke monster.
Quite realistic.
:annoyed:That makes sense:wack::D
Thanks for that :thumbs:
gerbos14a
25-05-2010, 11:06
Stolen from another forum.
Seems to be a plausible summarisation.
The Island:
It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.
Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.
Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.
Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.
Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.
In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...
Now...
Sideways World:
Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.
The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.
It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.
How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.
But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.
They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).
A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.
But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.
For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.
In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.
The Chef
25-05-2010, 11:25
Basically, Lost was a load of b*llocks. had a fantastic reception from the first few episodes, so the greedy, lazy producers splurged out a load of subsequent rubbish, pretending to make it all 'deep and meaning full'.
In reality, what was actually achived was a good first series, and countless tosh after that - which they've 'wrapped' up by saying it was all a dream (or the like). - great writing... never seen that before:rolleyes:
(urh - thats obviously my opinion/impression. i'm not a TV fan any way... but I did enjoy the first series:nod:)
Basically, Lost was a load of b*llocks. had a fantastic reception from the first few episodes, so the greedy, lazy producers splurged out a load of subsequent rubbish, pretending to make it all 'deep and meaning full'.
In reality, what was actually achived was a good first series, and countless tosh after that - which they've 'wrapped' up by saying it was all a dream (or the like). - great writing... never seen that before:rolleyes:
(urh - thats obviously my opinion/impression. i'm not a TV fan any way... but I did enjoy the first series:nod:)
Couldnt have put it better myself!
First bit was awesome, then it got stupid.
That actually makes pretty good sense. Good find.
In reality, what was actually achived was a good first series, and countless tosh after that - which they've 'wrapped' up by saying it was all a dream (or the like). - great writing... never seen that before:rolleyes:
It wasn't all a dream though? The entire Island part of their lives was real, its only the 'sideways reality' that was purgatory.
I quite enjoyed the last episode :nod: Fairly refreshing compared to the usual arbitrary nonsense that we're used to :)
Sideways14a
25-05-2010, 11:55
Pfft
Sideways reality is much different from that nonsense.
Its full of broken cars, Guinness and stress... No flipping nice island or nowt.. :smash:
Sideways Simon
25-05-2010, 12:16
Ya after reading the above summary it actually makes sense..... good summary, put a few issues to rest
i was really into lost for ages but then started watching the last season and got bored and pissed off with it because it wasnt actually making sense when you watched it. Cant believe flashfoward is stopping. how will i get back my 10 or so hours of my life i wasted watching it?!!
Sideways Simon
25-05-2010, 12:18
It wasn't all a dream though? The entire Island part of their lives was real, its only the 'sideways reality' that was purgatory.
ahhhhh:eek: now i understand a lot more!:nod:
Plot Summary
Reallllllly cool pilot eposide
Very good season 1
Intense internet forum discussion/discection of every scene
Writers add more and more plot twists, questions, red herrings, open plot lines and dead ends
tens of Thousands of people now comparing notes and theorizing
WRITERS STRIKE
more characters introduced
previously important plot lines are forgotten, new ones thrown in
more characters introduced
one character unexpectadly hits puberty
main writer sods of to do Star Trek
lesser skilled writes try to be clever
realising they are in knots, they tray and sort it
they failed
an entire series was spent trying to get into a poxy underground station (before they discovered it had a front door) but really important interesting stuff gets 5 minutes - the lighthouse for example
I think the show got way too much scrutiny from the fans, and they way they were making it up as they went along just couldn't handle the pressure.
Good find with the explanation up there... :) Kinda makes sense, but it's some random person's interpretation, not necessarily what they were really meaning...
I was a little 'meh' after the ending. It kinda explained stuff, but then it didn't really. I kinda got that the church was everyone meeting up before 'moving on' in an undetermined timeframe, which is why some people were in there that shouldn't have been necessarily (eg. Desmond and his missus), but then there were also people missing (eg. Walt and his Dad). We put it down to lack of availability of the actors (and the fact that Walt's now all grown up when he's only supposed to have aged a few months :wack:)
The main thing that seems to have happened is that they came up with this really cool pilot and first season, then got a bit carried away with themselves - they didn't know how many seasons the show would run for so they went wild with the plotlines and the subplots and the wacky dharma stuff - then the ratings started to drop as hardly anyone could understand, so the network gave them 3 seasons to wrap it all up, and they basically left it until the last minute to do so, and therefore didn't do that good a job of it...
I think it's a shame Flash Forward has been canned as that's getting good now :(
I've f*cked Flash Forward off already after hearing the news.
It'll either just 'stop' and I'll have wasted time watching it, or they'll wrap it up in a hurry and.......I'll have wasted time watching it. Best to bin it off now.
Sideways Simon
28-05-2010, 11:46
I've f*cked Flash Forward off already after hearing the news.
It'll either just 'stop' and I'll have wasted time watching it, or they'll wrap it up in a hurry and.......I'll have wasted time watching it. Best to bin it off now.
im thinking the same.... i missed last 3 weeks episodes so i have to watch it online just to catch up, and plus its on a friday nights over here which isnt ideal so i might just give up on it altogether if its gonna be camcelled anyhow
I didnt watch Lost, but I was proper into Prison Break - Im convinced that Prisnon Break was only supposed to be 2 series, but after the success of the first (which was bloody brillianht) they decided they would cash in and write another 2 series, rather hastily.
As such, the second half of the second series and the third series were absolute pants, but it pulled it back round by the fourth. Any possibility Lost was the same, as from what Ive heard it started well then just became a shambles. :nod:
Annoyingly in both cases you have to watch the dross so you know what happens :mad:
Prison Break series 1 was awesome. Series two was OK...meh, Series 3 was shocking in Sona. Series 4 like you said was a redeemer, they had to kill him though, otherwise he'd have only been captured and escaped over and over x inifinity.
gerbos14a
28-05-2010, 13:18
The biggest problem for the writers of prison break was that they called it prison break. I didn't really watch it but intended to watch the first season eventually until I flicked on the telly one night and he was in a differnet prison:rolleyes: trying to escape.
Seriously gerbos, watch the first series - some of the best TV Ive ever seen. :nod:
The fact that I watched every single episode, first time of airing, from S1 ep1 through to S4 ep22 - thats 88 hours of TV that we made sure we were home for - says something.
That Im pretty sad, probably. :wack:
gerbos14a
28-05-2010, 13:35
I'll have a go at season 1 then. I have a gap to fill since Lost finished and there is nothing but sh*t on the telly at the moment.
I felt the same about Prison Break. The first season was fantastic. I thought the second was good too, the third was a bit pap then the fourth good again.
I've still got the two 'special' episodes to watch - started a few times but didn't get into them - Set between the end of S4 and his death, Tencreddy gets arrested on some trumped up charge, goes to a womens prison (which just happens to also have Gretchen in) and they have to break her out. It's supposed to explain more about his death as well, rather than just showing the funeral...
If you are stuck for stuff to watch, look for the thread on here about recommended TV - there's some great recommendations (I'd never have found The Wire otherwise)
I was one of the few people who relatively enjoyed the last episode. Christian Shepard's speech at the end seemed to sum it up nicely, although I would of liked some of the millions of questions answered.
Walt.
How did MIB turn into the black smoke, and why?
etc etc
Walt.
How did MIB turn into the black smoke, and why?
What was the significance of the numbers? Hurley's ticket, the radio broadcast, the computer/button thing.. then totally forgotten about..
Jacob / MIBs foster mother - htf did she get to the island?
How come noone could have kids there, apart from their real mother & claire?
Guess it'll all never be properly answered.
Seriously gerbos, watch the first series - some of the best TV Ive ever seen. :nod:
Better than The Sopranos?
I've only ever seen a bit of one Lost episode (and 24 too) where they were crapping themselves over a shaking bush. :wack:
skyshack
02-06-2010, 13:09
I could have told you it was complete crock o'shite from the start.
Like having a running jet engine on the beach that could suck a man in but not the beach sand and it was running without FUEL!
I was one of the few people who relatively enjoyed the last episode. Christian Shepard's speech at the end seemed to sum it up nicely, although I would of liked some of the millions of questions answered.
Walt.
How did MIB turn into the black smoke, and why?
etc etc
I think Walt wasn't there because maybe he was still alive? And because on the scale of the island they spent a relatively short amount of time with him so they didn't have to wait for him to 'pass on'.
MIB turned into smoke after Jacob sent him into the heart of the island. I guess he could do it at will?
The hatch/button was something to do with Dharma IIRC. Didn't they cause some kind of electro magnetic problem which could only be contained by the pressing of the sequence? I guess one interpretation is that Jacob could have told them to set the hatch up to 'test' some of the candidates, after all Dharma were there as candidates.
Re: Kids - both Claire and Jacob and MIB's mother were pregnant before arriving to the island.
Yea I didn't mind Walt not seeing them in the end. It was the fact they didn't explain his strange gift. I think it was more a case of him growing up too fast in real life.
Yea I understand about MIB turning into the black smoke, but they didn't really explain how, and why. It just kinda happened!
Lost was like Dust till Dawn
you start out watching a bank robbery road movie, and end up fighting vampires
Lost started off as a normal reality, with mysteries and scientific answers, and ended up as a 'drink the water' 'now you are like me', from characters introduced at the 11th hour.
they got some stuff right, and other stuff was completely cocked up
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