F1 2010 - Monaco

[jimbo]

Potentially the dullest of GP's roles into town hot on the hells of the Barcelona GP (that's not really in Barcelona).

FP1 times;

Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Alonso Ferrari 1:15.927 31
2. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:16.000 + 0.073 26
3. Kubica Renault 1:16.016 + 0.089 28
4. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:16.382 + 0.455 24
5. Massa Ferrari 1:16.517 + 0.590 29
6. Schumacher Mercedes 1:16.589 + 0.662 21
7. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:16.647 + 0.720 32
8. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:16.692 + 0.765 29
9. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:16.805 + 0.878 23
10. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:16.857 + 0.930 30
11. Rosberg Mercedes 1:17.149 + 1.222 14
12. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:17.331 + 1.404 28
13. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:17.704 + 1.777 26
14. Petrov Renault 1:17.718 + 1.791 38
15. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:17.991 + 2.064 36
16. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:18.397 + 2.470 39
17. de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari 1:18.434 + 2.507 37
18. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:18.547 + 2.620 32
19. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:19.527 + 3.600 23
20. Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:19.606 + 3.679 31
21. Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:19.902 + 3.975 30
22. di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:20.566 + 4.639 18
23. Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:21.688 + 5.761 27
24. Chandhok HRT-Cosworth 1:21.853 + 5.926 6

Too early to judge though as Monaco gets faster lap by lap as the rubber goes down and Alonso set his time late on. The Redbulls hide their pace till FP3 and the McLarens were out early for their times and caught traffic late on.

[dunc]

Think there might be rain :)

Dunc.

[BBB]

Think there might be rain :)


Let's hope eh!

[Sideways14a]

Think there might be rain :)

Dunc.

Rain + Monaco + 24 cars + newbies = Unmissable :D:D:D

[Mark]

Whole race behind the safety car :wack:

[arry]

Whole race behind the safety car :wack:

At least Chandhok will only be a second or two off the pace then :wack:

[Chriscooke]

For anyone who hasn't realised. Fp2 is on red button now :nod:

Go schumacher :) Not sure whats happening with the Mclarens tho.

They are still talking about rain. Possibly in this session.

[Chriscooke]

Now raining :)

[jimbo]

GP2:

1. Pastor Maldonado Rapax 1m20.476s
2. Sergio Perez Barwa Addax 1m20.917s + 0.441s
3. Christian Vietoris Racing Engineering 1m20.999s + 0.523s
4. Dani Clos Racing Engineering 1m21.272s + 0.796s
5. Davide Valsecchi iSport 1m21.531s + 1.055s
6. Giedo van der Garde Barwa Addax 1m21.540s + 1.064s

F1:

22 Lucas di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:20.566 4.639 18
23 Bruno Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:21.688 5.761 28
24 Karun Chandhok HRT-Cosworth 1:21.853 5.926 6

:eek:

[Grim]

Anthony Davidson "turbo engines are quiet"


never been to an SXOC meet then ;)

[Chriscooke]

GP2:

1. Pastor Maldonado Rapax 1m20.476s
2. Sergio Perez Barwa Addax 1m20.917s + 0.441s
3. Christian Vietoris Racing Engineering 1m20.999s + 0.523s
4. Dani Clos Racing Engineering 1m21.272s + 0.796s
5. Davide Valsecchi iSport 1m21.531s + 1.055s
6. Giedo van der Garde Barwa Addax 1m21.540s + 1.064s

F1:

22 Lucas di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:20.566 4.639 18
23 Bruno Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:21.688 5.761 28
24 Karun Chandhok HRT-Cosworth 1:21.853 5.926 6

:eek:


Ha ha I didn't expect that :D

[ben8000]

Alonso out of qualifying.

[arry]

Why?!

[ben8000]

Stuffed it into the barrier in 3rd practice. Car needs a total rebuild. He will start from the pit lane tomorrow.

[MaccyD]

Alonso for a top 10 finish? your thoughts.....

[Sideways Simon]

Kubica haulin' ass in Q3!!!

[Johnny]

Alonso for a top 10 finish? your thoughts.....

Its Alonso .... the guy has bad luck ... good luck .. bad luck ... good luck

Chances are if crashing was bad luck and he is starting from the back of the grid, he will most likely get a podium thanks to rain, red bulls crashing and an incident with a stripper in the pit lane.

Had he qualified P1 .... then he would crash on the 1st lap and get a DNF

[arry]

I wonder if Ferrari know Alonso's been moonlighting.....

http://stage.lcw.masterfoods.com/NR/rdonlyres/D94694FE-9E8E-4C61-ABAA-DC1984D13A3F/0/just_for_one_big.jpg

[Sideways Simon]

I wonder if Ferrari know Alonso's been moonlighting.....

http://stage.lcw.masterfoods.com/NR/rdonlyres/D94694FE-9E8E-4C61-ABAA-DC1984D13A3F/0/just_for_one_big.jpg

haha!!!! that must have been on his mind when he hit the barrier!!!

[sxbaz]

well i wasnt gonna bother tuning in as webber will lead from start to finish, however its gotta be worth a look to see alonso pick his way through if he can, fingers crossed for a massive smash up and force india/williams or someone mid grid to win

[Algie]

Only an hour til the coverage starts,

I love Monaco even though it is the master of processional races.:nod:

[sxbaz]

anyone on here been to the monaco GP?? i imagine its awesome there in person, but for the millions of tv watchers a proper circuit would be more exciting, money talks tho and thats why it stays there

[arry]

I went the week before the GP in 2008. The atmosphere was fantastic even a week prior to kick off. The teams were just rolling in and there were plenty of celebs around

[Dr Bob]

Only an hour til the coverage starts,

I love Monaco even though it is the master of processional races.:nod:


have to echo you on this Alg - i love Monaco:) it is the quintessential GP despite the lack of racingness

[SX_BIG]

i have three maters all at monaco at the min... jelous much.... not at all.... :indiff: :wack:

[Algie]

I was lucky enough to see the track with Graozr and Parker a few years ago, we took a taxi round it and then walked it afterwards too, the thing that struck me the most was how steep the hill is after the first corner.

Great place and I can only imagine what the atmosphere there muct be like today!

[Dr Bob]

cobblers - there goes Jenson:(

interesting stuff so far:)

[Dr Bob]

that virgin looks to be a bit of a handful:wack:

[Jezz_S13]

Can i wake up yet?

[Sideways14a]

LMAO Shumi you legend... bet there is no dummys left in Alonso's car :D
Wonder if he will get away with it :D

[Algie]

I hope so, cheeky bugger but from the sounds of things it's allowed :D

[Sideways14a]

Yeah from the in car footage on the merc its clear alonso was well over the line before shumi was.
Bet alonso is pissed at being done by the "crap old codger who's obviously past it" :D

[arry]

Haha:D

Please Mr Stewards, don't disallow that one :D

[Algie]

If that is the rule it's very clear cut. Shame though all the same!

I'm hoping that's not the case!

[sxbaz]

crafty old schumi.... that was the best bit of the whole race, i cant see how the stewards can say it was unfair though im sure damon hill would like a little revenge.

anyone else find it annoying that telemetry dictates the race, lewis being told half way through to cool it because of the brakes, even he was annoyed as the computers are basically saying dont race incase something happens. i think they should cut all that shit out for starters, none of this manage ur brakes/ tyres bla bla bla, race the car, if it breaks it breaks.

[danny-mac]

Can i wake up yet?

:) I had more than a few 5 minute snoozes during that race too.

[Jem]

Mercedes driver Michael Schumacher has been penalised for overtaking Ferrari's Fernando Alonso when it was not allowed at the end of the Monaco Grand Prix.
The decision adds 20 seconds to the German's race time, demoting him to 12th place and putting Alonso sixth. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8685542.stm)

Only good bit and it's not allowed :wack:

[JONXLR8]

That sucks! He saw an opportunity and went for it, the safety car had pulled in and the green flag was waved wasn't it?

How about Rubens throwing his steering wheel out after the crash which then got picked up by a passing car. Think he might get in trouble for that one.

[Jem]

How about Rubens throwing his steering wheel out after the crash which then got picked up by a passing car. Think he might get in trouble for that one.

And they cost about £25k :wack:

[Chriscooke]

Well that sucks. How boring have the last two races been:( snoozefest zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!

[sxbaz]

i dont like schumi but that decision against him is bollocks, on a track where its basically impossible to overtake, he uses a bit of skill and wits to make a move then gets punished, what a load of cack. i dunno why they bother with the race, might as well just run qualifying on saturday then call that the result.

[Jezz_S13]

i dont like schumi but that decision against him is bollocks, on a track where its basically impossible to overtake, he uses a bit of skill and wits to make a move then gets punished, what a load of cack. i dunno why they bother with the race, might as well just run qualifying on saturday then call that the result.

Well, if he'd have read the rules then he wouldn't have done it. :wack:

Same old shumi, always cheating. :smash: :D

Excellent, although belated, retort from Damon Hill. :D

[sxbaz]

anyone apart from ferrari see that as fair, why bother bringing the safety car in if it wasn't going back to race conditions. usual f1 story, change the results after the race

[Jezz_S13]

I'd usually agree, but in this case the rules were written before the race.

[Sideways14a]

Absolutely disgraceful, race control make an arse of it and then drop 20seconds from Shumi's time...
They should have reversed the positions and made a clarification for this stupid text, but no... they have yet again got to dick around.....

[Jezz_S13]

Whether the rule is right or not is another matter, but the fact is...


Article 40.13 of the Formula 1 sporting regulations states: "If the race ends while the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."

[Sideways14a]

Yes well article 40.13 should now be getting a slight rewrite :wack:
There was sufficient confusion over this as to simply hand a reverse of the places, but no...

The SC pulls in to the pits, but its apparently a safety car finish..
Green flags are all waving, no yellows
Green lights flashing
Most of the other drivers stamp on it instead of cruising along for the 300m...

Its more than a little grey...

[FIGJAM]

Whether the rule is right or not is another matter, but the fact is...

That to me says the safety car needs to cross the line on the final lap, which it didnt so I think they have read the rules wrong

[Chriscooke]

Race control stated that the track was clear and that the safty car was comming in at the end of the lap. Sounds like the race was back on to me.

If it was still under sc conditions then the yellow flags should still of been shown as sideways mentioned.

[Jezz_S13]

That to me says the safety car needs to cross the line on the final lap, which it didnt so I think they have read the rules wrong

To me it says the SC will come in at the end of the last lap, which is where the pit lane always is, just before the end of the last lap.
Probably because it's more cosmetically appeasing to the media that cars cross the line without a SC in view.

NASCAR just implemented something slightly similar, in that a race can no longer end under a yellow/SC, extra laps are added (3? IIRC), but that's so there's a race to the line which in fact is quite the opposite to the F1 ruling. LOL

[Sideways14a]

This also begs the question..
If Webber had nerfed the barrier and proceeded to limp over the line with 3 wheels at 15mph... no one would have been able to overtake him? :wack:

[Jezz_S13]

This also begs the question..
If Webber had nerfed the barrier and proceeded to limp over the line with 3 wheels at 15mph... no one would have been able to overtake him? :wack:

Ah, under section 42.16.
If an aussie nerfs the barrier and proceeds to limp over the line with 3 wheels at 15mph, then he is to be deducted 50 championship points for unsafe driving.


And rightly so. :D

[Marcos]

Ross Brawn should of known the FIA will always favour Ferrari. A 20 second penalty when they had only just been released from the pace car is ridiculous. They should of just given Alonso the position back and clarified the rules.

[MaccyD]

Alonso for a top 10 finish? your thoughts.....

pow

[danny-mac]

Ross Brawn should of known the FIA will always favour Ferrari.

And Massa should have been given a penalty for slowing Button in qualifying also.....

[Wallers]

Well Mercedes have appealed the the Stewards decision, but I think that will only get a rule clarification as you can't appeal drive through penalties.

[Jezz_S13]

And Massa should have been given a penalty for slowing Button in qualifying also.....

mcLaren should be penalised for being stupid enough to leave a duct cover in the side pod and for throwing the TV remote out of the car on one of the corners. :wack:

[Smoothound]

I'm an Alonso supporter and at the time I was 100% behind the overtake and thought it was Alonso's own fault for being caught napping. I was disappointed, but that's racing.

However, rules is rules. Clearly the rule was broken and Schumi has been let down by his team who's job it is to know the rules, and advise their drivers appropriately.

That said, 20 seconds seem harsh. It would have been more appropriate just to give Alonso the place back, especially considering that nobody (teams, marshalls, drivers, commentators) actually seemed to know what was going on!

[McRearout]

The FIA ruins another 'race'

I love Monaco but it can be very frustrating at times.

Ruebens should be penalised for lobbing his steering wheel into the path of an on-coming car and Massa should have been penalised for slowing Button.

Rule blah blah blah states that rules are only adhered to when it suits certain people ;)

[arry]

However, rules is rules. Clearly the rule was broken and Schumi has been let down by his team who's job it is to know the rules, and advise their drivers appropriately.


Even the commentators didn't know the rule was as it's written - they were full of "Oh Mark Webber's just got to make it round here without letting anyone past"; so it's fair to say confusion reigned. It's also not like Schumi was going to radio the pits to ask before he stuck it up the inside :wack:

[Smoothound]

It's also not like Schumi was going to radio the pits to ask before he stuck it up the inside :wack:

From what Brawn said, they told him to. So it's their failure. A driver should know the rules but it's down to the team to advise them correctly while on the track. On this occasion they didn't :down:

[arry]

From what Brawn said, they told him to. So it's their failure. A driver should know the rules but it's down to the team to advise them correctly while on the track. On this occasion they didn't :down:

That's confusing. When did they tell him that?

[Mark]

It would appear some teams thought you could go for it and some teams thought you just stayed in position. I thought it was a good move and unless its a new rule you would think an old dog like Shuey would have known what to do :confused:

[arry]

It is, apparently, a new rule. It's also a shit one IMO.

[Mark]

It is, apparently, a new rule. It's also a shit one IMO.

Made up 10 minutes after the end of the 2010 Monaco GP :wack:

[McRearout]

Made up 10 minutes after the end of the 2010 Monaco GP :wack:

Not made up just 'clarified'.

The F1 rules are just obfuscation at times!

[Johnny]

I just wish the punishment fit the crime

shuey, broke the rules due to a missunderstanding of them ..... his error affected the last 7 seconds of the race. A simple, "NO SHUEY, BAD SHUEY" and a reversal of finish positions would have sufficed.

But a 6 place demotion ???

[schumi84]

I just wish the punishment fit the crime

shuey, broke the rules due to a missunderstanding of them ..... his error affected the last 7 seconds of the race. A simple, "NO SHUEY, BAD SHUEY" and a reversal of finish positions would have sufficed.

But a 6 place demotion ???

This was exactly my reading on the situation, no-one was put in danger (well apart from Alonso's pride) so just reverse the result.

When i heard what penalty had been given out i thought it was a joke. I know that Schumi has given out his fair share of shite to other drivers and got away with it, but to punish him like this for taking the initiative (IMO) is a bit silly.

[Smoothound]

That's confusing. When did they tell him that?

Presumably just before the SC came in :wack:

But yeah, the punishment really doesn't fit the crime :indiff:

[dunc]

Very poor punishment, to be expected given who was on the panel.

Dunc.

[jimbo]

Very poor punishment, to be expected given who was on the panel.


Missed the race but have read a bit about the incidient and if they were told no overtaking then it's tough.

The penalty is set as they can't issue a drive through after the race is over so it has to be a time penalty. This is what screwed Lewis at Spa the other year and dropped him from 1st to 3rd and gifted Massa the win (thus prolonging the title race).

It is worth remembering though that this penalty ruling was introduced after Brawn/Schumacher bent the rules on drive throughs to win a GP in the pit lane so it seems somewhat poetic to me (especially as Hill got to dish it out!).

[docwra]

Yes well article 40.13 should now be getting a slight rewrite :wack:
There was sufficient confusion over this as to simply hand a reverse of the places, but no...

The SC pulls in to the pits, but its apparently a safety car finish..
Green flags are all waving, no yellows
Green lights flashing
Most of the other drivers stamp on it instead of cruising along for the 300m...


Umm, yeah. The race didnt actually finish under a safety car - if it had then Id expect the yellow flags to still be waving and the safety car to be out on the track :nod:

If you want to use the Nascar simile, then that was the white flag lap as the SC had gone in. Not often I feel sorry for the Schu, but in this case I think hes been a bit hard done by. :nod:

Other than that, shit race. I know Monaco is loved by the drivers and all, but its never going to be a good race without rain. Short of Alonso's early charge I dont think I saw a car overtake another one all day :(

One day the circuits will be chosen because of the spectacle they give, not how much they are prepared to pay Bernie.

[ben8000]

One day the circuits will be chosen because of the spectacle they give, not how much they are prepared to pay Bernie.


I'd scrap Catalunya, Valencia, Brahrain and Monaco in a hearth beat. Then definitely give Laguna Seca a try.

[schumi84]

Lol, I would love to see an F1 car go down the CorkScrew :nod:.

Dont IndyCar do Laguna Seca? If so, i would have thought it would be feasible for F1 to do it :)

[ben8000]

I don't think Laguna would be feasible tbh, not without spending millions building new stands and expanding pit lanes etc.

[Smoothound]

Umm, yeah. The race didnt actually finish under a safety car - if it had then Id expect the yellow flags to still be waving and the safety car to be out on the track

I must admit, the green flags were confusing, but the rules do state that when the race finished under yellow flag, the car comes in on the last lap, which is what happened. It doesn't state if the marshalls should still be waving their yellow flags or not.

Like I said before, I don't think anyone had any idea what was going on. Pretty major communications cock up IMHO :nod:

[docwra]

The yellow lights at the side of the circuit flash when the SC is out - you know, the ones that were Green at the end of the race ;)

Im not arguing with the rule, just saying they didnt implement it properly. to dock Schu points would be madness. :nod:

[Sideways14a]

Thats what i think as well, there is too much confusion.
If no overtake and thus SC conditions were to be implemented until the flag then the lights should (imho) be yellow and flags are yellow. The text system to all crews and the TV feed should also confirm this all the way to the end.
TBH the SC should also be out until the line but they have some sort of wish for all cars to be going over the line without a silver merc in front so......

If lights and flag say one thing, teams say another and race control actually mean something else then no wonder there is going to be a problem. Of course leave it to the one driver on the grid smart enough to realise this and think about making something out of it ;):D Even if it doesn't work its a gamble worth taking...

[Bayside Blue]

Only an hour til the coverage starts,

I love Monaco even though it is the master of processional races.:nod:

Seconded, Theres something about having no run-off on such a narrow track, the sense of speed is really pronounced. Some of the other tracks make F1 cars look slow, at monaco all of the visual clues give you the speed. Especially the onboard cameras! :eek:

Less overtaking for sure but when there are overtakes they are quite exciting. Also i think the fact the whole race is on edge is adds some excitment, no room for error. Not my favourite track either by any stretch, but i just don't think you could have the F1 with no Monaco. :thumbs:

[sxbaz]

i wish they would scrap it, its all about money, they considered ditching silverstone;the home of F1 yet keep all these shit boring tracks.

i liked monaco when only about 6 cars used to finish due to numerous crashes n fires n stuff, but now theyre all so reluctant to race/ cant get near the guy in front its rubbish, aero + reliable cars suck

[dunc]

The on board footage makes up for the lack of over taking imo.

Dunc.

[arry]

i wish they would scrap it, its all about money, they considered ditching silverstone;the home of F1 yet keep all these shit boring tracks.


Silverstone as a fan is farkin' awful though - you're so distant from the track at all the major incident points. Really don't like it :no:

[sxbaz]

Silverstone as a fan is farkin' awful though - you're so distant from the track at all the major incident points. Really don't like it :no:

its being redesigned, dunno if that has made it better or not. at least it has some action for the tv viewers, monaco hasn't for a long time. itll never change tho, the growing trend of new tracks which are a shit design are more concerning.

[playworker]

If someone has already posted this then apologies.

It seems to me as if rule 40.13 is an old rule left over from the old safety car procedure where once the safety car has pitted there is no overtaking until the start/finish line. This year they changed the safety car procedure so that overtaking is allowed once the cars have passed the first safety car line, this now leaves them with the new situation of the final section of the final lap being green flagged. I think someone either forgot to amend 40.13 when they brought in the new regs, or they made a bad mistake with the choice of signals for the final part of the lap, but instead of admitting it they're applying a ridiculous penalty.

You can't have green flags and an obscure no overtaking rule, if it's genuinely no overtaking then keep it under waved yellows and everything would be clear.

[jimbo]

2010 Version:
40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

2009 Version:
40.14 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

2007 Version:
40.15 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

2005 version:
149. l) If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.


What has changed is the Safety Car line no longer being the same as the start/finish or finish line.

[Grim]

Silverstone as a fan is farkin' awful though - you're so distant from the track at all the major incident points. Really don't like it :no:

and the place you got the closest - BRIDGE is being removed as part of the redesign :(


got seats in the new loop for this year, hoping a new bit of track will cause some issues for the drivers

[Chriscooke]

Mercedes have dropped the appeal. Guess they were wrong then. Shame :(

[Sideways14a]

I think they have made a point and at the same time got there team firmly in the news at monaco..
Plus i am sure old Shumi aint to bothered, it puts him firmly back in the game with regards to whether he is past it or not :wack:

[danny-mac]

When and where is the next one then?

[Jezz_S13]

turkey, w/e 27th.