Cutting out Carbs

[bealehere]

Right well I am trying to cut out as many carbs as possible as after spending a week doing a weight loss diet with just protein shakes i felt so much better, not bloated and lighter on my feet. Im not heavy, was about 13 1/2 stone now down to about 12 1/2 and 6'.

I know everyone is going to say salads etc but I really cant stand them, I have tried so many different ways of having them but still cant like them, so please don't suggest salads..

So what are other peoples suggestions? Its mainly for lunch as I always seem to grab sandwiches etc as its eaiser, sometimes I used to bring in left over pasta, or rice based dishes fromt eh night before but I want to avoid having so much rice and pasta and bread.

So, what can I eat, I like cooking so dont mind cooking things for the following day :nod:

Thanks

Rich :thumbs:

[BBB]

What abouting cutting back on the carbs instead of eliminating them? For example, pasta with green/red peppers, sweetcorn etc, so you get the veggies without feeling like you're eating leaves.

[Prior]

cereal. quick & easy & minimal carbage.

[bealehere]

cereal. quick & easy & minimal carbage.

Really, i thought cereals were quite carby. I only have porridge at home, what cereal do you suggets? Corn flakes, Wheetos, Lucky Charms :smitten:

[Sideways14a]

Go fuel injection, much better way of doing it :D

[BBB]

cereal. quick & easy & minimal carbage.

Cornflakes (for example) are 86% carbs Prior :wack:

http://www.thecolumn.org/nutrition-food.asp?fd=08076

[bealehere]

Go fuel injection, much better way of doing it :D

I like that, worth while upgrade I think, whats the cost of changing to Fuel Injection these days? :wack:

[bealehere]

Cornflakes (for example) are 86% carbs Prior :wack:

http://www.thecolumn.org/nutrition-food.asp?fd=08076

Thats what I thought :wave:

[Prior]

Really, i thought cereals were quite carby. I onyl have porridge at home, what cereal do you suggets? Corn flakes, Wheetos, Lucky Charms :smitten:

it there purest form yeah, but remember your adding a shed load of milk so your topping up with protein & calcium.

Cornflakes- 26g Carb per serving. White bread (1 slice so double it up) 23g per slice.

the sandwich you will be adding butter etc plus filling. The cereal is just that & milk. A lot of the guys at work eat rice cakes with peanut butter and swear by it as a no carb snack.

[AL_s13]

My diet:

Breakfast: 3 eggs scrambled, 3 slices of Bacon
Mid Morning: Protein shake
Lunch: 1/4 or 1/2 of a chicken from Tesco
Dinner: Steak, Broccoli, Baby Leaf Spinach

Not many Carbs there! However at the weekend i carb up with good carbs ie, lots of fruit, veg and grains

[AL_s13]

I would like to point out that if you stay on a low carb diet (30g a day or less) and DONT at least have 1 Day a week eating good carbs, then it can induce diabetic coma

[cardiff scum]

Bran flakes with dried fruit is a great way to start the day and you get a free colon scrub:thumbs:

[spencer_foxwell]

I used to do a lot of weight training when I we 19 until I was about 21. I never ever did any cutting or bulking yet I had very strong definition ( 8 pack and very clear lats etc)

I never got why people did this? Surely it is healthier to just train more or cut the carbs a 'bit' maybe just do things like use wholemeal bread instead of white...

[AL_s13]

Because with weight training and cutting out carbs, the only things you can really eat is Protein and Fat. By eating only protein and fat (Caveman diet) it obviously helps with muscle rapair, but also has the side efect of stimulating the body to produce more testosterone. So in a weight training environment, you can essentially cut and bulk at the same time! Look for Anabolic diet

[Maddog1982]

Al,

Just out of interest what do you weigh? Im looking at eating more fats and less carbs, I currently eat 5 eggs every morning (3 whole 2 whites) on two rounds of whole meal toast, looking at changing the toast for bacon

[AL_s13]

I currently weigh in at around 18st 8 at 6ft 2. I have been training 3 months and have gone from 20st 4. Strenght improvements are massive. My max deadlift when i trained a lot 18 months ago was 150kg. Within 3 month i can now pull up a 200kg deadlift

[BBB]

I currently weigh in at around 18st 8 at 6ft 2. I have been training 3 months and have gone from 20st 4.

:eek::eek:Holy fecking wow!! Small chap then :wack:

[AL_s13]

No i'm not small. But i'm quite well built. 52" chest and 18" arms. All my fat is on my gut 40" waist. I think i would be quite lean at 16 1/2 stone

[Maddog1982]

A touch heavier than me then :eek: Im 16s02 at 6ft2 not really fat though, 34 waist :D Lost 18 pounds last year through cardio and diet but it killed me, im looking at adding more fat and slowly winding the carbs down. Impressive deadlift, is that using straps? I got 165 kg without straps last week on last set for 4.

[AL_s13]

Yeah that with straps. I also did 4 @ 165kg last night, no belt chalk or straps. I would also like to point out that i'm not supplimenting anything apart from a protein shake every now and then (not every day just usually the day after squats or deads) and fish oil

[Jonny Wilkinson]

I would like to point out that if you stay on a low carb diet (30g a day or less) and DONT at least have 1 Day a week eating good carbs, then it can induce diabetic coma

You're right but its actually ketoacidosis that you are at risk from rather than diabetic coma which is induced by hyperglycaemia.

Ketoacidosis actually turns your blood acidic. Symptoms will start with breath smelling of peardrops, progress through sweating,vomiting, hallucinations and stomach cramps before leading to coma and often death if untreated.

Its not an enjoyable experience.

As for cereals being low-carb. Absolute tosh. :annoyed:

[AL_s13]

Ok, you seem to know more about the dangers than me. Ketosis is the state you are putting your body into. These diets are also called keto diets. However, i rarely ever hit ketosis due to the carb up weekend, but my body has been converted to run on fat as fuel rather than carbs and sugar

[Maddog1982]

Yeah that with straps. I also did 4 @ 165kg last night, no belt chalk or straps. I would also like to point out that i'm not supplimenting anything apart from a protein shake every now and then (not every day just usually the day after squats or deads) and fish oil

That's impressive! I use liquid chalk to stop my hands sweating. Only things I use are protein, muti vit and fish oil. Did take a spoonful of gaba last night though to help sleep :D

[AL_s13]

I feel i dont need creatine and protein suppliments. I eat a LOT of red meat :-)

[Jonny Wilkinson]

Ok, you seem to know more about the dangers than me. Ketosis is the state you are putting your body into. These diets are also called keto diets. However, i rarely ever hit ketosis due to the carb up weekend, but my body has been converted to run on fat as fuel rather than carbs and sugar

I wasn't having a go, just trying to add value.

Fat and protein need to be broken down differently (to carbohydrate) to produce simple energy sources.

When fat and protein are broken down, one side product is ketones which are basically poisonous.

Your body can only shift so much poison in a given time and if the poison builds up, it starts doing damage.

Diabetics (like me) can find themselves in a position where their body cannot produce enough energy (due to a lack of insulin or an inability to utilise the insulin) so the body goes on the rampage breaking down body fat and body muscle (protein) which produces lots of ketones and sends blood sugar levels into orbit, usually when we don't eat and/or stop taking insulin.

The ketones result in ketoacidosis (which you can simulate by eating only protein and fat) and the high blood sugar levels overwhelm the insulin resulting in a lack of available energy inclduing to the brain and so induces coma.

So the results are quite similar but not quite the same.

Both are bad, m'kay...and you're quite right, get some carbs and it will give the body a chance to flush those poisons. It would probably be better to have a small amount of carbs each day too though.

Also, the only benefit of cutting out carbs is that what you do eat is processed less efficiently so you can eat more volume than you could whilst losing weight....but it also poisons you :wack:..and makes you smell as you sweat ketones. :hurl:

A healthier way to do it is to eat less of everything and exercise more.

[BBB]

This (http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/diet_and_fitness/article7122173.ece) talks about the extremes male models are going through to make them appear "fit". Good point made towards the end about how badly they fared against normal fit people in a gym test.

[AL_s13]

I wasn't having a go, just trying to add value.

Fat and protein need to be broken down differently (to carbohydrate) to produce simple energy sources.

When fat and protein are broken down, one side product is ketones which are basically poisonous.

Your body can only shift so much poison in a given time and if the poison builds up, it starts doing damage.

Diabetics (like me) can find themselves in a position where their body cannot produce enough energy (due to a lack of insulin or an inability to utilise the insulin) so the body goes on the rampage breaking down body fat and body muscle (protein) which produces lots of ketones and sends blood sugar levels into orbit, usually when we don't eat and/or stop taking insulin.

The ketones result in ketoacidosis (which you can simulate by eating only protein and fat) and the high blood sugar levels overwhelm the insulin resulting in a lack of available energy inclduing to the brain and so induces coma.

So the results are quite similar but not quite the same.

Both are bad, m'kay...and you're quite right, get some carbs and it will give the body a chance to flush those poisons. It would probably be better to have a small amount of carbs each day too though.

Also, the only benefit of cutting out carbs is that what you do eat is processed less efficiently so you can eat more volume than you could whilst losing weight....but it also poisons you :wack:..and makes you smell as you sweat ketones. :hurl:

A healthier way to do it is to eat less of everything and exercise more.

I know you are not having a go, and re reading what i put, i can understand why you thought i was somehow put out. I meant that you clearly know a lot more of the science than i do. Its interesting what you are saying. :thumbs:

My experience of this diet has only been good so far. I track my keotones by way of keto sticks. Mon - Wed i am of "Normal levels" i start creeping into ketosis on thurs and fri. But come the weekend i am eating carbs. So i am not really poisoning myself on this diet. I have never had as much strength and energy as i have on this diet. I find this eating lifestyle much easier to follow as i dont have to limit my calorie intake. And i'm losing bodyfat. I feel my bodyfat levels are far more dangerous than this diet. :thumbs:

[El @]

Good discussion here.

I can add my 5c, no diet ever worked for me (mildly overweight at waist only) except low carbs. I was aware of the implications and took it seriously according the Atkins phased approach. Goes without saying that once I started eating carbs freely again I regained all weight. I think alchool is a great contributor also.

Anway, I'm starting it again now, being a little older and with less will for gym of course doen't help. But, it has to be done anyway, so I suck my sock.

[AL_s13]

Yes, with me this is a lifestyle change. After the 1st month i stopped craving carbs. Infact i hate eating them at the weekend as they make me feel uncomfortable. However i must in order to stay healthy. But this is not a diet i will change from. I may relax it just a tiny bit when i have lost the required bodyfat, and when i mean relax it i may eat more veg with my evening meal as well as introduce nuts as a snack before training. But this is certainly the best thing i have ever done for my health

[Simaroon]

bit of a thread bump, with low carb eating, how do you go about milk??? milk in weetabix in the morning??? should i be using skimmed if any, or semi skimmed ok? and for protein shakes or water?

and rice,is white rice ok or should i be looking for different rice?
thanks

[cardiff scum]

Full fat is 10% carb iirc,rice is a big nono at 43%
I carb at breakfast-branflakes with some dreid fruit with fullfat milk,then try not to eat any except as fruit or veg.I gave up coffee and now drink 2 lt of green tea through the day
My daily exercise is walking at 5-6 mph for at least 1hr a day and i try to run a mile every other day

[AL_s13]

I would suggest scotch oats for brekkie if you must have cereal. Not very low carb tho!!