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A friend of mine know this bloke with an Astra Coupe Turbo...
For ages they were telling me it was tuned massively, figures of 360bhp were banded about, and costs of £50k engine builds :rolleyes:
Anyway, it turns out (after he showed his face) that this Astra Coupe is, suprisingly, completely standard in the engine department.... And every other department for that matter! The driver still seems convinced it's quicker than my 2***** (I wasn't there at the time to prove him wrong...)
Now, he says it is a limited edition, of which only a handfull (few hundred) were made, and that as standard it produces 260bhp...
I'm aware of the 888 limited edition, which had uprated suspension - but to my knowledge it still only had the standard engine... 195ish bhp. MY friend says it had a badge ont he side beginning with B... could be Bertone maybe, but I'm not aware of a Bertone Turbo Astra ??? :confused:
Sooooo.... Does anyone know of a variety of Astra Coupe Turbo, which as standard came with anything over the boggo 195ish bhp engine???
Go on, let me tell him he's talking boll*cks! :D :D ;)
mattpayne
18-06-2003, 12:09
Youll find the Bertone badge on the side of every Astra Coupe... its just the designer that made the astra a slightly more palitable shape... :)
Originally posted by Skyline_Matt
Youll find the Bertone badge on the side of every Astra Coupe... its just the designer that made the astra a slightly more palitable shape... :)
I thought that might be the case....
The only limted edition Turbo I'm aware of (after a good search on the net), is still the '888' - with less than 200 brake!
He's talking utter bollox :rolleyes:
A mate has just sold his astra coupe turbo, and bought the three door turbo instead, bit of a vauxhall fan really and he says there's only been one turbo and thats the 2.0l 197bhp one.
Still :sleep: though, they aren't that slow either!
:)
Actual_Ben_Taylor
18-06-2003, 12:46
What was that wide arched DTM style limited edition one they did? I seriously doubt its one of them, but I think they had more than 200bhp
Actual_Ben_Taylor
18-06-2003, 12:52
Found it, its the Astra Coupe X-Treme
440bhp, 4.0L V8 concept car...
Originally posted by BenTaylor200
Found it, its the Astra Coupe X-Treme
440bhp, 4.0L V8 concept car...
LOL, that rules that out then!
I've not heard of any 200bhp+ ones (helpfull eh!).
Dunc.
I hate these people who talk bull abouts cars which they obviously know squat about. A bloke I was chatting with a while back tried to tell me that the Nissan 200sx came as a twin Turbo version in Japan and the UK only got the single turbo version. And of course his mate had an imported one with fiftysquillion horsepower!:notworthy :rolleyes: :mad:
shadowninja
18-06-2003, 13:19
ask him for the owner's manual... it will say the power in that. 0-60 about 7.5s isnt it? Great for understeer lovers too.
what really annoys me about people who claim something silly is that it's hard to drill it into their heads that they are actually wrong esp if its in a pub or something without relevant material to show that they are talking out of their backsides.
Just get the stoopid barsteward to meet up one day and have a little blat up the road... nothing is sweeter than a real life demonstration...
Originally posted by JackaL
Go on, let me tell him he's talking boll*cks! :D :D ;)
Tell em he's talking bollocks anyway, by the sounds of it you won't be the first.
I had a guy in one on a dc trying to out accelerate me, he couldn't gain any ground I couldn't overtake due to slow drivers on the left:rolleyes: My 200 was standard at the time:thumbs:
Originally posted by yeager
Just get the stoopid barsteward to meet up one day and have a little blat up the road... nothing is sweeter than a real life demonstration...
My thoughts exactly :thumbs:
The words "prove it" never fail in these situations. Say it and watch them squirm :D :D
I want to give him a good thrashing at the Pod or something... I would have seen him personally on Sunday, but I wasn't round at my friends when he turned up... :(
I've gotten sick with my mate going on and on with quotes like...
"My mates Astra Turbo would thrash your Nissan" (at a scrabble contest???)
and
"He can spin the wheels in fifth gear" (scrabble!)
and
"He's had loads done to the engine" (but no specific details)
and
"It's running about 360 (or sometimes this claim goes upto 400) bhp" (When I ask what internals he has, they say 'it's all standard' :rolleyes: What, no forged pistons.... at 360bhp??? :rolleyes: )
It's not that i'm bothered about someone having a faster car than me, I love all fast cars, but people who claim stupidness like this just get on my titties!
Once accidentally raced a Coupe Turbo. Was going down a slip road, and I'd noticed it in front, but didn't pay any attention.
Decide to pull out and overtake as I always like to join motorways at speed as it's quicker to shave off speed to join traffic than to put it on. It was a 2-lane sliproad so didn't really think about it, just did it.
Ashtray driver puts his foot, beeps his horn and showd me the finger, obviously expecting to toast me for my 'impudence' or something.
Er....no. It didn't go well for the Ashtray... :wave:
Dan@DB-Power
18-06-2003, 14:02
Decide to pull out and overtake as I always like to join motorways at speed as it's quicker to shave off speed to join traffic than to put it on. It was a 2-lane sliproad so didn't really think about it, just did it.
Finally someone that thinks like me with that theory, no one else that I have told seems to understand braking=faster than accelerating.
Dan,
Originally posted by Dan S13
Finally someone that thinks like me with that theory, no one else that I have told seems to understand braking=faster than accelerating.
Dan,
Would that theory still apply to the mammoth Dodge Charger, with it's 4 hundred and something cubic inch V8, enormous mass, and all round drum brakes??? ;) :eek:
Originally posted by JackaL
Would that theory still apply to the mammoth Dodge Charger, with it's 4 hundred and something cubic inch V8, enormous mass, and all round drum brakes??? ;) :eek:
There's always exceptions smarty pants :p
PSML at astra trying to "toast" you Keith :D
Likewise for overtaking opportunities. You always see people right up on the bumper of someone, then when they overtake it they have to build from the slow car's speed. It exposes them to the other carriageway for a longer than necesary amount of time.
If however you hang back, then when you know there is a stretch ahead to overtake on, you can accelerate up towards the slower car pop out and back again past the car in a much shorter length of time.
It creates overtaking opportunities on lengths of straight road that might be too short for overtaking if using the first method. Also if something does appear quickly you have enough space simply to brake and stay in your lane.
Originally posted by BenTaylor200
Found it, its the Astra Coupe X-Treme
440bhp, 4.0L V8 concept car...
Not a bad looking motor, for an ashtray...
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/2001/genevaautoshow/concept.opel.astra.f3-4.350.jpg
Originally posted by NikB
Not a bad looking motor, for an ashtray...
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/2001/genevaautoshow/concept.opel.astra.f3-4.350.jpg
it's ugly... whats the snow shovel on the front for ?
Originally posted by DanS14
Likewise for overtaking opportunities. You always see people right up on the bumper of someone, then when they overtake it they have to build from the slow car's speed. It exposes them to the other carriageway for a longer than necesary amount of time.
I had someone do this to me this morning...
I came off a roundabout, and within 5 seconds (as I was still accelerating up to the limit in my lethargig 1.4 runabout) there was an Alfa GTV sat on my arse, flashing his lights. He kept popping out, right on my bumper, but the oncoming traffic meant he couldn't come past...
After a couple of miles of his idiotic behaviour I'd properly had enough. I stopped dead in the middle of the road, got out, walked up to the bloke, and gave him a bit of a verbal about waiting until the road was safe to overtake... What a dikcless little tw@ he was too. If he wants to kill himslef and others, he can bl**dy well do it somewhere away from me!
Originally posted by DanS14
If however you hang back, then when you know there is a stretch ahead to overtake on, you can accelerate up towards the slower car pop out and back again past the car in a much shorter length of time.
It creates
Anyone thats driven a 1 litre or similar scabble-wagon for any length of time well have learnt this technique as the ONLY way to overtake, LOL. We've all been there, own up :D
Braintree
18-06-2003, 16:23
That astra is not a concept car anymore!!
It's an official production car.
IIRC they had to tone the power down a tad, to 380ish, but it still looks identical.
I did see that they are only making 100 or something silly. And they go for AGAIN a silly price like £80,000
It's most definitely NOT one of those hideous widearch V8 obscenities! Is that a turbo'd V8?
I bet it's still FWD as well :rolleyes: :scrabble:
For that price you could buy a proper car, not a badly kitted, scrapheap-challenge-esque, polished turd!
It's based on the DTM racer and sounds pretty awesome to me:
Developed by the Opel Performance Centre (OPC), the X-Treme features a 4.4-litre V8 engine which produces 326kW of power and 530 Nm of torque. The power is supplied to the rear wheels via a carbonfibre-reinforced clutch, a sequential six-speed transaxle gearbox with a limited-slip differential and massive 20-inch wheels. Specially developed tyres are sized 265/30ZR20 up front and 305/25ZR20 in the rear. What's more, it can accelerate to 100 km/h in just four seconds.
Developed by the Opel Performance Centre (OPC), the X-Treme features a 4.4-litre V8 engine which produces 326kW of power and 530 Nm of torque.
Nice :) Loadsa torque! :D
The power is supplied to the rear wheels via a carbonfibre-reinforced clutch, a sequential six-speed transaxle gearbox with a limited-slip differential and massive 20-inch wheels.
Driving the proper wheels, no less! :eek: And with a luuurvly transaxle for good weight distribution
Specially developed tyres are sized 265/30ZR20 up front and 305/25ZR20 in the rear.
How expensive???
What's more, it can accelerate to 100 km/h in just four seconds.
Seems a bit slow for that spec? Especially considering a 1.3 Westfield can do it in 4.3 seconds or thereabouts...
Braintree
18-06-2003, 16:41
This car is no vauxhall!!
It's a race built and bred RWD track machine!!
Fair play having read the spec.
I had another chat last night... It just gets better! :rolleyes:
By all accounts this Astra was one of approx 100 shipped to Regal for tuning up as they weren't selling ???
Regal by all accounts tuned it to 260bhp, and then the owner took it back, and they tuned it to 430ish bhp :confused:
It then, aparently, ran low 11 second 1/4's, before the owner returned it to standard (266bhp)...
It still has a standard intercooler, standard internals, and standard exhaust... Is there ANY way an Astra lump will take 400bhp on standard internals?
The funniest thing was when he said he had a GUARANTEE from VAUXHALL that the STANDARD engine internals would be good for over 500 BHP!!!! :D :D :D I've never laughed so much in all my life!!! Now I'm 99.9999% certain he's talking boll*cks there!
Hold old is this guy ? Sounds like a teenager simply getting carried away
The guy who owns it is a copper by all accounts, but the stories I hear about it just don't add up...
I was told it has a different turbo... but the biggest Regal do is their Phase 5, which seems to be good for a peak of 1.45 bar, and will hold a steady 1.1 bar...
Given the size of the Astra's intercooler, and the need for bigger injectors over 300bhp, There is NO way it could make 400bhp without some serious work... and an Astra with that power would not be unknown, it would be a show car!
500bhp on standard internals!!! :chuckle:
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