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Can't believe there isn't one yet - am looking forward to this weekends' race, sound like it should be interesting, more iffy weather (cold on Fri/Sat and possible rain on Sun), McLaren reckon they have a decent update to the car and apparently Ferrari will be trialling their own F-duct system in Friday practice :)
Me too mate,
What time does it start on Sunday?
What time does it start on Sunday?
think live coverage is from 7am
Another early start for me then ;)
Mikesx13
15-04-2010, 22:50
Sod that! just watch it on the iplayer at your leisure, think it's available in HD as well :)
Looking forward to it, haven't really bothered with F1 for years but have really enjoyed the season thus far as it's been a very mixed bag between the cars, drivers and weather.
I thought that they hadn't started filming F1 in HD yet ?
Chriscooke
15-04-2010, 22:55
Ohh I actually forgot that this was on this weekend. Early start to watch the gp and then spend the rest of the day breaking my car while trying to fit my alignment arms. Perfect :D
I will be watching this, I'm enjoying it this year.
Did I hear on the News this morning that Alonsos engine blew up during practice ? ... only caught the end of it ?
If so Ferrari arnt having much luck with engines, what happens if they get through all 8 before the end of the season ?
Oh and Buemi's Crash :notworthy:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8624282.stm
total suspension failure, I love the way he tries to steer with no wheels :D
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:wack:
Oh and Buemi's Crash :notworthy:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8624282.stm
total suspension failure, I love the way he tries to steer with no wheels :D
Was just going to say lol at him trying to steer :D
Did I hear on the News this morning that Alonsos engine blew up during practice ? ... only caught the end of it ?
If so Ferrari arnt having much luck with engines, what happens if they get through all 8 before the end of the season ?
He did have some sort of engine trouble not sure if it blew up or not. iirc there's a grid penalty for using more than the allocation.
EDIT :- He did have a failure but it was the engine that they removed during the Bahrain weekend because of fears over it's reliability, they were only going to use it for practice sessions from now on.
How fooking scarey must that have been :eek: it was like he pulled an ejector switch for his wheels :wack:
Buemi's accident was crazy, I've never seen anything like it :wack:
Did anyone see in the pics that Ferrari had their F-duct on the car? Doesn't seem to have helped judging by their practice times today, they were way off the pace :smash:
How fooking scarey must that have been :eek:
Doesn't seem like it was that bad for him :wack:
Buemi said: "From in the car it was not a problem. I just lost both wheels."
Nah, no problem at all :wack::smash:
It's alright, it's just an arm!
What a lovely afternoon,
The BBC coverage is just awesome. Having watched all the news bites for the day, including Buemi's amazing crash I can now sit back and enjoy the 2005 San Marino GP highlights :D
Did anyone see in the pics that Ferrari had their F-duct on the car? Doesn't seem to have helped judging by their practice times today, they were way off the pace :smash:
dont count Ferrari out, they have done this in the past, where they fit a new part, in the 3 practices are no where, then in Qualifying they are 1 and 2. they have been know to run a full tank of fuel, turn the revs down etc to see if the number stack up.
in fact alot of teams do it, and not knowing exactly what setup they are running, how much fuel/wing levels etc the practice times mean nothing, as each team could be doing something different.
you never really know untill qualifying how xompetitive a car really is.
plus there is rain forcast for Sunday so they could be also testing a wet(er) setup in the dry to hedge their bets
What a lovely afternoon,
The BBC coverage is just awesome. Having watched all the news bites for the day, including Buemi's amazing crash I can now sit back and enjoy the 2005 San Marino GP highlights :D
FCUK OFF im at work
clai 'two steaks' cerrig
16-04-2010, 15:35
FCUK OFF im at work
I`m at home and RETIRED :p:p:p:p:p
Some times life is good :thumbs: :D
FCUK OFF im at work
pmsl :p
I`m at home and RETIRED :p:p:p:p:p
Some times life is good :thumbs: :D
And I started early so I could have the afternoon to myself :D
Gotta love it when Monkey is stuck in the office :sxoc:
I've been watching the extended highlights of the 1983 Long Beach GP and that's a cracker, the cars look so different when you make such big leaps back through history.
The wheel base of the '83 cars looks alot shorter tbh but that might just be the fottage.
The 2005 cars look awesome and tbh better than this years cars. Love the sound too :D
dont count Ferrari out, they have done this in the past, where they fit a new part, in the 3 practices are no where, then in Qualifying they are 1 and 2. they have been know to run a full tank of fuel, turn the revs down etc to see if the number stack up.
in fact alot of teams do it, and not knowing exactly what setup they are running, how much fuel/wing levels etc the practice times mean nothing, as each team could be doing something different.
you never really know untill qualifying how xompetitive a car really is.
Nope, you're quite right, I remember Brawn doing that a few times last year for one.
Sideways14a
16-04-2010, 22:51
So the big question this race is ... what kind of an arse of things will Ferrari make this time.
So alonso's down a mule again, and here was me thinking it was the renault engine that was a bit fragile (maybe only in an RB eh? :wack:)
I find it interesting that none of the drives have supported Hamilton's 'weaving'
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82932
Barrichello was particularly out spoken.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82875
""I don't think this is the right thing to do," said Barrichello in China on Thursday. "When I saw it I was by myself watching the TV and I was quite critical of it. It he was beside me I would have given him some bollocking because it wasn't right."
schumi84
17-04-2010, 00:07
pmsl :p
And I started early so I could have the afternoon to myself :D
Gotta love it when Monkey is stuck in the office :sxoc:
I've been watching the extended highlights of the 1983 Long Beach GP and that's a cracker, the cars look so different when you make such big leaps back through history.
The wheel base of the '83 cars looks alot shorter tbh but that might just be the fottage.
The 2005 cars look awesome and tbh better than this years cars. Love the sound too :D
I had a quiet afternoon too so watched the '83 highlights :nod:. The 360 degree spin at the beginning of the race was hilarious and then he just keeps on driving :wack:
Really dont know how to call this weekend, Mercedes seam a bit more on the pace but then there might be some sandbagging going on (as there usually is :wack:)
Hoping it will be a cracker with or without rain :) (oh and come on Schumi, get me some points in the F1 Fantasy League :thumbs:)
Crazy Crash!
Been busy, havent read, watched or heard anything about practise really, so just catching up before bed.
Algie, Clai your both gits :finger:
OOOooooo
Q3 didnt go the same way as 1 and 2, that was suprising in a way, butt he red bulls are fast we know that.
Interesting race it should be again.
Mclaren dropped the ball there... again. What were they doing sending Lewis out with all that fuel for his first run? As soon as I heard one of the commentators say "another interesting strategy from Mclaren," I thought, "Yeah, another daft one you mean" :smash:
If the predicted rain starts mid race tomorrow it could be very interesting! Ron Dennis must be sat watching with a huge hand print on his face from all the face palming he will have done since stepping aside. :wack:
so rebull are quickest again, if it wasnt for reliability they'd romp this season, i just hope that the others can catch up soon.
oh and rosberg and kubica again getting the most from their cars
Clouder_sx
17-04-2010, 12:02
Havent read any of this thread, skipped straight to the bottom to make a complaint:
BBC HURRY THE **** UP WITH THE IPLAYER FOOTAGE OF THE QUALIFYING!!! :mad: :mad:
Havent read any of this thread, skipped straight to the bottom to make a complaint:
BBC HURRY THE **** UP WITH THE IPLAYER FOOTAGE OF THE QUALIFYING!!! :mad: :mad:
I'm similarly unimpressed with the BBC this morning - hit the red button to see if I could catch the replay of the highlights, obviously not wanting to find out the result....so of course there would be nothing in the menu about the F1 Multiscreen, just the headline at the bottom "******* takes pole in China" :annoyed: :rolleyes:
(Blanked out for spoiler)
Clouder_sx
17-04-2010, 13:19
It's difficult to avoid the headlines for a whole morning. Cant go on BBC news website as its on main page, cant have news on on tv, cant have facebook up as a whole bunch of morons normally post about it :rolleyes: and then when it finally appears on iPlayer, i'm too frustrated to care anymore :wack:
Mclaren dropped the ball there... again. What were they doing sending Lewis out with all that fuel for his first run? As soon as I heard one of the commentators say "another interesting strategy from Mclaren," I thought, "Yeah, another daft one you mean" :smash:
You meant the strategy that got him an entirely clear lap on his own, yes that's really daft :wack:
I missed qually this morning, I'm just catching up with it now :D
Finally got round to watching all of the queally this evening after numerous interuptions :rolleyes:
Was a really good set yesterday :nod:
Not surprised to see Webber and Vettel on the front row again :no: but I am disappointed to see JB and Hamilton so far back, I was hoping they'd do better. :(
Should still be an interesting race though :D
I'll be getting up in just over 6 hours to watch it live :D
No one else up then?
I thought I'd get up for the build up and not just the start of the race :D
I've been up since the start, fingers crossed for some rain.
Rain looks almost certain :D
Great start by Alonso and Webber :D
donnylad
18-04-2010, 08:05
Sc!
Loads of fun between Lewis and Vettel :D
Looked to me that htye were both released at the same time ;)
Chriscooke
18-04-2010, 08:25
Loads of fun between Lewis and Vettel :D
Looked to me that htye were both released at the same time ;)
Too close to call that one. Didn't like the way vettle swerved at lewis tho :no:
Fantastic move by Lewis :D
Chriscooke
18-04-2010, 08:35
Fantastic move by Lewis :D
Awesome move:D Nice to see schumy battling also:nod:
It's almost a pity that Vettel got past him as easily as he did
ooo, go Jenson!
Nice move, I guess Nico had a problem or something?
Chriscooke
18-04-2010, 08:45
Traction issues on the rear the same as schumy. Must be the stretched tyres :D why the sc tho:confused:
Looks like that debris on track, wasn't much though.
Seen alot worse than that.
What about Alonso! Cheeky fooker :eek:
donnylad
18-04-2010, 08:49
there been many safety car crashes? if any at all? spins etc?
not today just in general.
Chriscooke
18-04-2010, 08:50
I bet massa had a few choice words for him under his helmet. Wonder if they got the right tyres on the right car..
Chriscooke
18-04-2010, 08:52
there been many safety car crashes? if any at all? spins etc?
not today just in general.
A few years back the safety car almost got taken out by a aquaplaining car. Can't remember it ever spinning tho:no:
I was thinking JB was leaving it a bit late to let the safety car pull off, looks like he thought the same too!
That caused chaos!
Made for some great racing though :D
I've kind of lost track of what's happening here. 4 pit stops by half distance and even at this point I honestly have no idea who will win it!! Awesome race so far!! :thumbs:
You're not wrong mate,
You can always tell it's a great race when the FIA have too much going on to catch it all on camera, they're never quite sure what to point at! :D :thumbs:
It's a pity it takes rain to make races so exciting
Kieran_e1
18-04-2010, 09:19
this was definitely another race worth getting up for. been ace.
really admire button's intermediate weather ability to find grip
You have to give JB his due,
He is brilliant at calling his tyres, he's only had 2 stops whereas Lewis has had 4!
donnylad
18-04-2010, 09:41
looking like a mclaren 1-2 :thumbs:
donnylad
18-04-2010, 09:42
this is going to be such a close finish!
It's nail biting stuff,
I've no idea if they're going to be able to keep them on the track for another few laps :confused:
donnylad
18-04-2010, 09:46
its looking dodgy lol any rain and i think its all over, fingers crossed!
petrov having a awsome drive
Kieran_e1
18-04-2010, 09:48
i bet hamilton has an off pushing too hard trying to win
donnylad
18-04-2010, 09:50
great race, fun to watch just wish i could be pain free and enjoy it!
have terrible sciatica and struggling to do anything :(
What a cracking race, I was holding my breath for the last sector of the final lap.
Lewis really didn't want to let up, good on him :thumbs:
donnylad
18-04-2010, 09:56
look at all the chinese pussy!
PMSL lining the stairs LOL
Chriscooke
18-04-2010, 09:58
Quality race. Good to see button and lewis getting on so well. Wonder how long that'll last if button keeps winning:)
Awesome race! I can't imagine many people would have put money on a McLaren 1-2 after qualifying yesterday but both Hamilton and Button had great drives. That totally flips the drivers championship again so lets's hope the excitement continues in Europe!!
genius race:notworthy:
Hammy was very very fast, but Jenson was clever. without the mid-race safety car he'd have been away off into the distance.
can't help thinking Lewis was a bit dodgy in both pitstops - first he missed the pitlane and went over the grass, then he raced Vettel (and admittedly Vettel raced back) up the pitlane and out of the pit - it looked dangerous, but it's racing at the end of the day. it had the potential to be very nasty if it had gone wrong:(
having said that, i hope the result still stands. H+S shouldn't have much of a place in F1:)
Superb, very happy with all that action.
look at all the chinese pussy!
ive got a touch of the yellow fever after seeing it:thumbs:
Brilliant race.
Well done JB - he's looking more and more a class act as the races go on, soo cool under pressure and he makes some amazing strategy calls
The commentators seem to have caught 'I want to bum Lewis Hamilton' syndrome from ITV.
So pleased for Jenson.:)
Sideways14a
18-04-2010, 16:53
Epic race again..
Got to say i was one of those JB aint a top drawer driver folk but he has proved me wrong again.... Guy is proving to be class of the field.
As for Lewis ... well he flatters doesnt he, all the speed but .. its on a knife edge :wack:
Redbulls were disappointing and as for Alonso... how the fook did he get there.
Rosberg again got more out of a poor Merc than MS did, although to be fair it was great watching the battle between Michael and Lewis. They need some development in that silver Mercades though..badly.
Massa appeard to be asleep for most of the race :D
Well just JB... wouldnt be surprised if he retained the championship after watching these 4 races.... :nod:
ive always been a button fan even at shitty honda and i think hes definately stepped it up a level, lewis is the one who makes entertainment for us though.
put rosberg in a top car and he could very well become a future champion, doesnt matter what hes driving he does seem to get the best out of what hes got consistantly
Great race, even better result - would have preferred it t'other way round but Jenson definitely deserved this one :thumbs:
Great race again and a great win for Button. Personally I think Ferrari got rid of the wrong driver, Alonso made Massa his bitch, there's no way he wanted to be held up for the 3rd race in a row, I bet Massa wasn't expecting that!
WICKED RACE , hamiltons the man.. buttons lucky and red bull are the opposite.. nice to see some of the lesser teams in the mix!
That was a cracking race and an excellent result :nod: Really enjoyed it :thumbs:
I've lost a bit of respect for Vettel though -
I don't know why he was keen to touch me ( :ghey: )(http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8628120.stm) - it is very blatent on the in car footage that Vettel looks over and sees Hamilton and then edges him towards the garages and a pit crew that are servicing a car :eek: I'm all for hard racing but that is going too far imo
Also anyone else getting pissed off with them whipping out the safety car at the drop of a hat in the past few years, it's getting as bad as the American race series :mad:
Great race again and a great win for Button. Personally I think Ferrari got rid of the wrong driver, Alonso made Massa his bitch, there's no way he wanted to be held up for the 3rd race in a row, I bet Massa wasn't expecting that!
That was brilliant. Arrogant as ****, but brilliant! I'm starting to warm to Alonso this year as much as it pains me to say it, seems to be less whinging and a lot more getting the head down and getting on with the job. Great drive by him and The Ham today, BJ drove well too. Bit disappointed for Britney but he seems to be doing well with what he's got, as he did with the Williams.
Great race, even better result - would have preferred it t'other way round but Jenson definitely deserved this one :thumbs:
^:nod:
Lewis is definitely a balls out very entertaining watch, love his style, almost MotoGP. Was great to see him go 1on1 with MS:D. Good drive by Button, Can't help think if the roles were reversed with Lewis over the last few races, Button would never get as far through the field as Lewis does. But credit where its due JB did very well.
Fair enough the Mclaren lollipop man ****ed up a bit, but what Vettal did was dangerous. If Lewis gets done, Vettal definitely should.:nod:
Edit just read the link above
Even from the outboard shot you could see Vettel clearly look over and then shift as far right as he dare. It was his tat for Hamilton's tit on the way into the pitlane.
Childish, from both of them really. Good fun to watch though :D
WICKED RACE , hamiltons the man.. buttons lucky and red bull are the opposite.. nice to see some of the lesser teams in the mix!
Rubbish! Did you watch the same race as everyone else? Hamilton and Alonso et al. are all the lucky ones. Button, Rosberg, Kubica, Petrov and Kovalainen are the ones who gambled on it not being that wet. I don't know about the others but it was Button's decision to stay out.
Everyone else is lucky that the second safety car was deployed otherwise at least 3 of the above would have been long gone.
Hamilton is lucky he's so good at overtaking and his car isn't a dog. He's driving by the seat of his pants and making it work.
^^ agreed
Button's not lucking out, he's making the right calls under pressure and showing his experience and maturity
So what was the result of the stewards talking to Vettel and Lewis?
Any sanctions on either of them or was it just a good bollockng? :D
Awesome race, twice now Button has made a call on his tyres and both time he has won the race :notworthy
Some of Hamiltons overtakes were top drawer though :thumbs:
Alonso is still a cnut though, trying to take out your team mate in the pit lane is not on IMO :no:
So what was the result of the stewards talking to Vettel and Lewis?
Any sanctions on either of them or was it just a good bollockng? :D
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83029
slapped wrists :thumbs:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83029
slapped wrists :thumbs:
That's pretty fair tbh, I'm impressed with the way the FIA are dealing with things this year. Perhaps Todt is making a bigger difference than we expected ;)
Its because ex drivers are making the calls this year and not some fat twats in suits ;)
Awesome race, twice now Button has made a call on his tyres and both time he has won the race :notworthy
Some of Hamiltons overtakes were top drawer though :thumbs:
Alonso is still a cnut though, trying to take out your team mate in the pit lane is not on IMO :no:
Agree with all the above :thumbs:
Enjoyed watching Hamilton tussle with Schuu and credit to both that it didn't end in tears
well this race has confirmed the F1 problem. toooooooo much grip.
cheap fix, only use intermediates.
after all we can run for thousands of miles on them, so why can't they?:D
well this race has confirmed the F1 problem. toooooooo much grip.
cheap fix, only use intermediates.
after all we can run for thousands of miles on them, so why can't they?:D
That will be sorted if they start using Avon's next year!
The stewarding has been a lot better this year and I'd imagine it's come about more from haiving removed Donelly and MM from the process. Even Charlie Whiting is doing ok, he made the decision to flag LH for the weaving without sending it to the stewards. The effect of having an experience driver to assist is also paying dividends. Still need a little more consistancy. For exemple Petrov did the weaving thing to LH the lap before LH did it but got nothing and Massa definately moved twice to bump Webber in Aus but neither got a speaking to. But definately an improvement and setting good precident for the future.
I have to confess to be a Todt sceptic but the mans doing well so far.
now if only the volcano can stop that bellend from comentating. its killed off fast eddie, now we want brundel and coulthard up there. or bring back murry
he knew how to spout bollocks in an entertaining way
Rubix_Cube
19-04-2010, 11:13
Well my summary of the race....
Button - Makes good calls, may it be luck or otherwise
Hamilton - Hard driver, showing he has the moves (another 4-5 Laps and he'd have won it) but still keeps acting like a spoiled rich kid trying to get his own way which makes me think "cock".
Alonso - Cheating arse
Massa - Lost his nerve, can't drive as hard any more
Vetel - Cracking driver, keeps getting ****ed over by bad decisions be it his own or his team
Webber - Mid level driver who makes mistakes and it keeps costing him.
Schumacher - Over the hill and far away, shouldn't have came back and his ability to not hold position shows that!
Cracking good to watch up until about lap 46 which I then just fast forwarded through.
I would agree with some of that mate but I'm not so sure about old Schuey,
He's always been a slow burner and excels at building a good team around him along with a car that duits him and his driving style.
If we get to the dnd of the season and he's still trailing Nico then perhaps you're right but it's way too early to discount him :nod:
Nah I think he has lost it :nod: With those conditions 'old Schuey' would have decimated the field IMO but he was made to look very ordinary :( He may improve over the season but he wont win a race unless there is a massive accident and the top 5 cars get taken out :wack:
Well my summary of the race....
Button - Makes good calls, may it be luck or otherwise
Hamilton - Hard driver, showing he has the moves (another 4-5 Laps and he'd have won it) but still keeps acting like a spoiled rich kid trying to get his own way which makes me think "cock".
I'm pretty sure Button was opening up the gap at the end and I'm sure his second set of tyres would have been in a lot better state then Hamilton's fourth.
I also strongly suspect that the main reason the Mclaren is quick is because Button is developing the car.
Nah I think he has lost it :nod: With those conditions 'old Schuey' would have decimated the field IMO but he was made to look very ordinary :( He may improve over the season but he wont win a race unless there is a massive accident and the top 5 cars get taken out :wack:
on the red button forum, the mercedes boss who ate all the pies, thinks there was something wrong with the car. well it can't be shoey, can it.
they were even talking about them driving each others, but of nikki was still better..........
Spot on - Button would have been nigh on a minute up if it wasn't for the safety car and Lewis' tyres had a lot less life in them than Button's did (taking a visual indication)
I also strongly suspect that the main reason the Mclaren is quick is because Button is developing the car.
Really? :confused:
the mercedes boss who ate all the pies
Norbert "pie eater" Haug!
IMO the reason Lewis lost his chance of winning the race was that he tried to emulate his team-mate and call the right tyres before everyone else did - hence the last ditch swerve into the pit lane across the grass and the gravel.
Didn't work though - I reckon that was Lewis' call and it backfired :nod:
He was just lucky the bizarre safety car decision happened to close the field up again.
It'll come with experience though, and not every race this season will be in changeable conditions ;)
Rubix_Cube
19-04-2010, 14:29
It'll come with experience though, and not every race this season will be in changeable conditions ;)
Which sucks IMHO
Any race which means no "major" changes of tyres/strategy/driving style means dull races.
AshT_200
19-04-2010, 14:30
Nah I think he has lost it :nod: With those conditions 'old Schuey' would have decimated the field IMO but he was made to look very ordinary :( He may improve over the season but he wont win a race unless he causes a massive accident and the top 5 cars get taken out :wack:
Corrected :thumbs:
IMO the reason Lewis lost his chance of winning the race was that he tried to emulate his team-mate and call the right tyres before everyone else did - hence the last ditch swerve into the pit lane across the grass and the gravel.
Didn't work though - I reckon that was Lewis' call and it backfired :nod:
He was just lucky the bizarre safety car decision happened to close the field up again.
It'll come with experience though, and not every race this season will be in changeable conditions ;)
Disagree, I think it is just hare and tortoise syndrome. Button just seems a more intelligent racer than Hamilton.
Sideways14a
19-04-2010, 14:33
Simple one with Shue, his car had very little traction even when on new tyres.
A very major setup problem and he had no chance of defending against the faster cars around him.
I think the big man is maybe a little rusty but there is no way he is that bad. He used to be the master in the wet (and dry tbh) and there is no way the result on sunday there is down to him. He even said on saturday that he had rear grip issues and that was when it was nice and dry.
Button just seems a more intelligent racer than Hamilton.
Definatly, Hamilton is balls out 110% of the time like its a one lap race, makes for good racing to watch but it can lead to him having a fooked car by the end or making silly mistakes chasing something he has very little hope of actually catching :nod:
Its rare to see him 'settle' for a position and defend it/bring the car home. Sometimes thats what you have to do :nod:
IMO the reason Lewis lost his chance of winning the race was that he tried to emulate his team-mate and call the right tyres before everyone else did - hence the last ditch swerve into the pit lane across the grass and the gravel.
Didn't work though - I reckon that was Lewis' call and it backfired :nod:
He was just lucky the bizarre safety car decision happened to close the field up again.
It'll come with experience though, and not every race this season will be in changeable conditions ;)
Yes, but McClaren admitted they were gonna leave Button out for one more lap, but just happened to react to seeing the Merc Mechanics come out front for a stop and pulled in Button at the last minute. They then pulled in Button (LH had pitted already) and that was when LH got ahead of Rosberg. If they had left him as per the original plan, it might not have been a 1- 2, but a 1-3 with LH on the top step and me £ richer! !I keep putting my money on the wrong bloody red.silver car! :wack: ) :D
Another great race, which is excellent to see :thumbs:
Thought Button deserved the win, but some of Lewis' driving was spectacular - he caught two cars at least at the end of the straight by dummying a pass, then braking early and going through the gap left while they tried to defend. Im not sure Ive ever seen anyone in F1 doing that before - magic. :notworthy
Schuey got overtaken aboput 1900 times last week - you can say his setup wasnt right, but Rosberg seemed to do OK on it. :nod:
Bottom line is that pretty much any of the teams that were in it last season are in with a shout of at least a podium, which makes it brilliant to watch :)
Another great race, which is excellent to see :thumbs:
Thought Button deserved the win, but some of Lewis' driving was spectacular - he caught two cars at least at the end of the straight by dummying a pass, then braking early and going through the gap left while they tried to defend. Im not sure Ive ever seen anyone in F1 doing that before - magic. :notworthy
Schuey got overtaken aboput 1900 times last week - you can say his setup wasnt right, but Rosberg seemed to do OK on it. :nod:
Bottom line is that pretty much any of the teams that were in it last season are in with a shout of at least a podium, which makes it brilliant to watch :)
Agreed agreed agreed. :thumbs:
Button just seems a more intelligent racer than Hamilton.
Of course Button has had a fair bit more F1 time than Lewis ;)
JB is nowhere near as hard on the tires as LH. WHich in those sort of circumstances where its been changeable weather has played into his hands. LH has shown the world he is the king of the sprint races :wack:
Infinity
19-04-2010, 15:12
Schuey got overtaken about 1900 times last week - you can say his setup wasnt right, but Rosberg seemed to do OK on it. :nod:
But Rosbergs setup will be different to Schueys - The car is the same, yes, but the drivers then have the car set up how they like it. Schuey said that he was in it for the long haul, so I'm guessing he's using these early races to learn the cars capabilities and get himself back into the groove. I wouldn't discount him just yet.
Jut
Sideways14a
19-04-2010, 15:17
Rosberg will drive a car differently to Schumi, the car is prob more to Rosbergs style than Michaels so that could well explain some of the problems.
Up until this weekend i thought he had been doing alright, this must have set him back a bit.
Still Mercades have parts coming for the next race, and they need them as not only did Schumi get mugged but Rosbergs car was hunted down easily by boy wonder and they need more speed.
JB is nowhere near as hard on the tires as LH. WHich in those sort of circumstances where its been changeable weather has played into his hands. LH has shown the world he is the king of the sprint races :wack:
According to the principle engineer at McLaren there's no difference between in the wear of the tyres. What I think has happened so far is that poor choices have meant LH has had to drive the them a lot harder and thus exagerated the wear. While smarter decisions from Button has allowed him to pace the tyres better.
Would like to know the running totals for overtakes per driver though.
JB is nowhere near as hard on the tires as LH. WHich in those sort of circumstances where its been changeable weather has played into his hands. LH has shown the world he is the king of the sprint races :wack:
In fairness though, Lewis keeps having to charge from midfield - Button particularly this time didnt have to. Hamilton was always going to knacker his tyres driving like that. :nod:
And I know Rosberg will have a better setup than Schuey, but isnt that part of being a great driver, getting the car right? He just doesnt seem to have the old magic for me. :no:
Well, after having a chat with our resident McClaren employee yesterday, he seemed in agreement that LH is harder on the tyres than JB. So nerrrrr :p
But yeh, charging like he has will obviously take its toll on the rubber! :wack:
Rubbish! Did you watch the same race as everyone else? Hamilton and Alonso et al. are all the lucky ones. Button, Rosberg, Kubica, Petrov and Kovalainen are the ones who gambled on it not being that wet. I don't know about the others but it was Button's decision to stay out.
Everyone else is lucky that the second safety car was deployed otherwise at least 3 of the above would have been long gone.
Hamilton is lucky he's so good at overtaking and his car isn't a dog. He's driving by the seat of his pants and making it work.
no i watched a race from 1985:wack:
Well, after having a chat with our resident McClaren employee yesterday, he seemed in agreement that LH is harder on the tyres than JB. So nerrrrr :p
But yeh, charging like he has will obviously take its toll on the rubber! :wack:
So!
You're the mole eh?
Moley, moley, moley :p
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Of course Button has had a fair bit more F1 time than Lewis ;)
So what? They're on an equal pegging in terms of the team - so that means JB is the better driver, no? Who cares what they're up to in 5 years time....
Well, after having a chat with our resident McClaren employee yesterday, he seemed in agreement that LH is harder on the tyres than JB. So nerrrrr :p
But yeh, charging like he has will obviously take its toll on the rubber! :wack:
funnily enough i was chatting to a chap on Saturday who has Mclaren experience, as well as being a racer (albeit much lower down the pegs) and he reckoned JB was the better driver, because he's cleverer.
i'd agree with what Frisbee said before. JB can develop the car, and he can talk to the engineers. Lewis can drive it.
i think McLaren made a very intelligent decision bringing Jenson into the team - he has a lot of experience in F1, and really knows what he's doing - he is potentially a very positive influence for Lewis. lets not forget Jenson came into the sport young too, and has been in the doldrums for ages despite Williams and Renault fighting for his drive via the courtrooms:eek:
Lewis is the multiple champion of the future, but needs to calm down. i think you could probably say the same of Vettel. the future is bright for both, but if Lewis learns from Jenson he could be a great:) Vettel won't get that from Webber IMO.
i think Nico is going to be an also-ran like his dad was:( he's potentially too buoyed up on dominating Schuey as he has so far this year that he won't learn from him. you can't forget that Schu is a multiple champion, and the best and most consistent driver of recent times.
it's going to be great to watch the season pan out:)
JB can develop the car ?
Err, so what did Lewis do with that POS they wheeled out for race 1 last year? :wack:
JB can develop the car ?
Err, so what did Lewis do with that POS they wheeled out for race 1 last year? :wack:
Whinge and moan it was shit :wack:
AshT_200
19-04-2010, 21:42
JB can develop the car ?
Err, so what did Lewis do with that POS they wheeled out for race 1 last year? :wack:
Errr they also had a fair bit of money to throw at it. Last year a team with relatively little funding developed a car that beat all if I remember.
JB can develop the car ?
Err, so what did Lewis do with that POS they wheeled out for race 1 last year? :wack:
Whinge and moan it was shit :wack:
and also drove the doors off it - like he did with this one in that race.
JB is cleverer though as i said. last season showed he could be aggressive where it mattered, but it's not a sprint race - you have to be sensible sometimes.
i'm not knocking Lewis - he's proper spectacular as a driver, but he's too impetuous. sometimes you have to be clever as well as fast.
i genuinely think that part of the reason JB got the drive with McL this year was to help move them and Lewis forward. i'm impressed with how he's doing it at this early stage in the season, especially as he's the new boy in the team.
I also strongly suspect that the main reason the Mclaren is quick is because Button is developing the car.
i'd agree with what Frisbee said before. JB can develop the car, and he can talk to the engineers. Lewis can drive it.
That explains all those amazing Williams, BAR's and Honda's that Button drove then :rolleyes:
Errr they also had a fair bit of money to throw at it. Last year a team with relatively little funding developed a car that beat all if I remember.
The Brawn car last year was paid for, and developed, by Honda who had spent virtually the whole year before developing it for the 2009 season. They ran 3 or 4 wind tunnels all most non-stop getting that one right and it still would have been crap if they'd stuck the Honda motor in the back. Once Honda's money ran out they got caught and passed by Redbull and were caught by McLaren.
Obviously the drivers have some influence on car developement but saying that McLaren couldn't develope a car without Button is to ignore the evidence of last season.
so we are saying that Hamilton is the better driver because he DROPPED BACK THROUGH THE FIELD and had to drive the doors off it, where as Button got to the front, and stayed there.
sometimes i think if lewis parked it on its roof on the first corner the fan boys on here would claim it was the best crash ever and he was going on to win.....
JB is nowhere near as hard on the tires as LH. WHich in those sort of circumstances where its been changeable weather has played into his hands. LH has shown the world he is the king of the sprint races :wack:
Which is why this season is playing into Button's hands IMO - he said after the first race in Bahrain that the rules this year mean they ideally don't want to be driving flat out anymore... which suits him just fine :smash:
I read an article somewhere that said it was interesting to see the dynamic in the Mclaren team this season as Lewis will often defer to Jenson in joint interviews - it's almost like he's using him as a role model in some respects. I even saw a quote:
LH (when asked if fighting for position with MS was a highlight of his race): "Jenson says 'tell the truth,' the truth is it was no more exciting than overtaking anyone else"
The first part of that quote made me chuckle... dunno why :confused: :D
so we are saying that Hamilton is the better driver because he DROPPED BACK THROUGH THE FIELD and had to drive the doors off it, where as Button got to the front, and stayed there.
No, were saying that Jense does no more to develop a car than Lewis. In terms of which driver is better than the other I think it would currently be;
Decison making - Jense 1st, Lewis 2nd
Over taking - Lewis 1st, Jense 2nd
Points - Jense 1st, Lewis 2nd
Over the season I'd expect some of the luck that was with jense in his two wins to swing Lewis way. So at the end of the season I think Lewis will end up on top. If in the process Lewis learns from JB then he'll be better for it. I think having HK with him for two years hasn't really help Lewis develop. Hopefully he can be pushed hard by JB and the two of them not fall out and wreck the team.
I think this 2nd place for LH will be a massive confidence booster for him and we will see him doing alot better from now on. To say he is developing the car any less is rubbish, however a very good point that HK wasn't the best team mate for LH. As long as they stay friendly they will be very good for each other.
As i said in earlier post, and i know its hypothetical but if you reversed LH and JB positions over the last few races there is just know way JB would have made up what LH has.
Sideways14a
20-04-2010, 11:12
I am not sure about all this Hamilton is the better driver chat.
Hamilton is the more agressive driver yes, that doesnt mean he is a better driver.
Hami takes a lot more out of the tyres and car, this (when he is on it) makes him look like a stig. However when the inevitable happens, the tyres fade, he reverts to a more normal pace.
Button tends to be less agressive and thus make the rubber work, this doesnt look as Yee-haw though. However in a lot of cases this is going to be the better approach. Of course there is times when lewis's gunho attitude may well be the best course of action.
Mclaren have the best of both worlds now with there drivers.. Which will come out on top is ... well completly up in the air.
That explains all those amazing Williams, BAR's and Honda's that Button drove then :rolleyes:
The Brawn car last year was paid for, and developed, by Honda who had spent virtually the whole year before developing it for the 2009 season. They ran 3 or 4 wind tunnels all most non-stop getting that one right and it still would have been crap if they'd stuck the Honda motor in the back. Once Honda's money ran out they got caught and passed by Redbull and were caught by McLaren.
Obviously the drivers have some influence on car developement but saying that McLaren couldn't develope a car without Button is to ignore the evidence of last season.
I actually read Ross Brawn saying that throughout the season they developed the 2010 car for 3 weeks out of 4. So the 2009 car's development didn't progress as much as the others. He said that they probably pushed it a little too far, but in the end they won both championships.
I'm the world biggest Button fan, even I know that Hamilton is the faster driver in a sprint. The other things he needs to learn. I have no doubts that he could have also won the race if he were in Button's position. Button is also a great overtaker and aggressive when he needs to be, the final races of the season showed this, Brazil in particular.
AshT_200
20-04-2010, 16:20
I am not sure about all this Hamilton is the better driver chat.
Hamilton is the more agressive driver yes, that doesnt mean he is a better driver.
Hami takes a lot more out of the tyres and car, this (when he is on it) makes him look like a stig. However when the inevitable happens, the tyres fade, he reverts to a more normal pace.
Button tends to be less agressive and thus make the rubber work, this doesnt look as Yee-haw though. However in a lot of cases this is going to be the better approach. Of course there is times when lewis's gunho attitude may well be the best course of action.
Mclaren have the best of both worlds now with there drivers.. Which will come out on top is ... well completly up in the air.
:nod:
Go back a few years, who was the better driver? Senna or Prost?
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