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Lets stick to one thread per race :thumbs:
Light rain is forecast at the moment so could be an interested race stratagywise :thumbs:
May actually get to watch this. I have the mojority of a Sunday off. :D Be good to see if Schuey still has it in the rain.
Be better to see lewis punt him of in the rain:D
Is it me or do these new cars lookMahooosive?
Is it me or do these new cars lookMahooosive?
sit further away from your TV
weiner_patrol
26-03-2010, 11:37
I just hope this isn't as boring as the last race :(
Cant say i'd noticed, not overly struck on some of the shapes though.
I just hope this wasn't as boring as the last race :(
x 2
marko14a
26-03-2010, 11:49
Be better to see lewis punt him of in the rain:D
Is it me or do these new cars lookMahooosive?
nah, just ugly
i've just put a couple of bets down (first tim on F1)
Vettel to win 9/5 £1
Masser to place top 2 or 3 8/1 £0.50 EW
Webber to place top 2 or 3 7/1 £0.50 EW
Button Fastest lap 16/1 £3
with the forcast saying light rain for the weekend, i think i'm with a good shout
AshT_200
26-03-2010, 13:22
I just hope this wasn't as boring as the last race :(
Wasn't?
Tell us who won, so we can bought bets down :wack:
If it rains it will be between Vettel, Hamilton and Schuey :nod:
weiner_patrol
26-03-2010, 13:28
Wasn't?
Tell us who won, so we can bought bets down :wack:
Sorry English is my second language.
Bayside Blue
26-03-2010, 13:31
I've got 12 bottles of wine, inlcuding 1 bottle of fine pinot noir for £30 :wack: That's my backup plan to make sure the F1 is interesting!! :D
Aus isn't too bad usually anyway, it's pretty quick, there is some overtaking and usually some accidents. :thumbs:
mattlake
26-03-2010, 13:31
Sorry English is my second language.
yeah AshT you racist bastard:wack:
marko14a
26-03-2010, 13:33
I've got 12 bottles of wine, inlcuding 1 bottle of fine pinot noir for £30 :wack: That's my backup plan to make sure the F1 is interesting!! :D
Need more than that!
However, shoemaker is 18/1 to win so may be worth an each way bet. (it's payday!)
That will add some interes :wack:
Sideways14a
26-03-2010, 13:34
Sorry English is my second language.
Same here dude, my first is Gibberish :nod:
weiner_patrol
26-03-2010, 13:38
Is it cause I is Chinese? :wack:
To be honest I see Vettel winning this if his car holds up. If not massa and alonso will be leading. Although with the practise runs recently Hamilton and Button will have a say in the matter. It's quite hard to call with stats like this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/results/8498614.stm
AshT_200
26-03-2010, 13:38
yeah AshT you racist bastard:wack:
Sorry didn't understand that. Was that Gloucestahspeak? :wack:
Lewis Hoonilton (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/formula-one-ace-lewis-hamilton-caught-speeding-car-impounded/story-e6frf7jo-1225846192192)
He doesn't make things easy for himself does he! :annoyed:
YAY !!!!! .. thats what I want to see
I want racing drivers to be brash, rebels that hang around with groups of girls, party in Monarco and always have a big fat cigar in there hand .... and facial hair
None of this good as gold must eat quiche bollocks ... .Fast cars, fast women and short lives !
marko14a
26-03-2010, 14:02
Lewis Hoonilton (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/formula-one-ace-lewis-hamilton-caught-speeding-car-impounded/story-e6frf7jo-1225846192192)
He doesn't make things easy for himself does he! :annoyed:
Chav :rolleyes:
:wack:
It is understood he told policemen at the scene that he was worried this would dent his reputation.
What's he worrying about, I respect him more now - he's an early 20's human after all and not a McLaren robot, good lad :thumbs:
Sideways14a
26-03-2010, 14:05
My opinion of Lewis has now increase a tiny notch... :D
I've got 12 bottles of wine, inlcuding 1 bottle of fine pinot noir for £30 :wack: That's my backup plan to make sure the F1 is interesting!! :
Aus isn't too bad usually anyway, it's pretty quick, there is some overtaking and usually some accidents. :thumbs:
Got a bottle of Gunboat piont Pino and it is the nutz
yeah AshT you racist bastard:wack:
Lol that made me rofl:thumbs:
AshT_200
26-03-2010, 14:07
The English McLaren driver did a burnout and a fishtail in a 2010 silver Mercedes along Lakeside Drive in front of a Victoria Police divisional van, that pulled him over.
He will be charged on summons with improper use of a vehicle. The sports car was towed to a police yard in Raglan St in Preston, where it will be held for 48 hours under anti-hoon laws.
Is he trying to even the odds by getting Schumachers car impounded before the race? Nice :D
Good work Lewis :thumbs:
Tip for you though, next time you do a burnout on a public road, have a good look around for big blue and white police vans first :wack:
Good work Lewis :thumbs:
Tip for you though, next time you do a burnout on a public road, have a good look around for big blue and white police vans first :wack:
Tell that to JC lol remember the top gear episode were he decideds to do a burn out and there is a cop parked across the street:D
marko14a
26-03-2010, 17:09
Good work Lewis :thumbs:
Tip for you though, next time you do a burnout on a public road, have a good look around for big blue and white police vans first :wack:
Come on, he couldn't even see the pit wall, never mind a police van.
:wack:
Come on, he couldn't even see the pit wall, never mind a police van.
:wack:
I m surprised he didnt try blame the car infront of him and then blame his manager when they show him video proof :D
The Chef
26-03-2010, 19:20
Is there a TV schedule for this race? I've seen on previous thread - someone has posted a handy schedule of when practice/qualifying/race (and the repeats). Sure I can get this from the TV - but its handy having the coverage in one place.:thumbs:
The Chef
26-03-2010, 19:23
Scrap that - i've done it myself:D Internets good isn't it:thumbs:
Albert Park, Melbourne, 26-28 March
Friday 26 March
Practice one: 0125-0305, BBC Red Button/online
Practice two: 0525-0705, BBC Red Button/online
Saturday 27 March
Practice three: 0255-0405, BBC Red Button/online
Qualifying: 0500-0730, BBC One/online and BBC Radio 5 live sports extra/online
Qualifying re-run: 1300-1415, BBC One
Sunday 28 March
Race: 0600-0900, BBC One/online and BBC Radio 5 live/online
Post race forum: 0900-1000, BBC Red Button/online
Race re-run: 1300-1500, BBC One
Highlights: 1900-2000, BBC Three (highlights then looped on Red Button)
(Infact, the BBC have all the coverage of all the races listed at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/7755219.stm :thumbs:)
Bayside Blue
26-03-2010, 23:35
Got a bottle of Gunboat piont Pino and it is the nutz
Was going to buy a bottle of that :wack: Pinot is ftw. Not worth opening over a Grand Prix though, unless my man Button wins the race. :wack: might happen 2nd and 3rd fastest times in practice. But you never know how much they are running.
Speaking of fuel did anybody see that story about Virgin having to get dispensation from the FIA to redesign their car as the fuel tank was too small :wack: just ideal now that they don't allow refuelling :D thats an "epic fail" if i ever saw one.
I've got a new McLaren lanyard now for work, but my Jenson Button t-shirt is way back from the first year at Honda BAR, its so old its got holes in now. :wack:
schumi84
27-03-2010, 00:07
If there's rain then i am going for a Schumi masterclass :nod:, though Rubens and Vettel may stand a good chance too.
I can't understand why Melbourne isnt the opening race of the season, as it is easily more exciting than Bahrain. Looking forward to a good weekend :)
Meh new job, 6 day weeks with a lot of hours per day ( i just got in about 15 mins ago :( ) so no chance am i getting up to watch this, Will Sky+ it and watch it on wed :wack:
Shhhh don't tell me anything
Smaller track is making it more difficult this week, plenty of oversteer too.
I gotta bloody work tomorrow so no live race for me, might be able to put the TV on for the re run at lunchtime though.
I suspect we'll see a marked improvement in Schuey this weekend on the track.
Would be awesome if it did rain, that always makes for more exciting races :D
Would be nice to see Chandok do some miles too, I was impressed with him when they interviewed him at Bahrain.
hamilton complaining about lack of grip and outside the top 10.... you would've thought his streeto practise would have helped :)
Would be nice to see Chandok do some miles too, I was impressed with him when they interviewed him at Bahrain.
It's a nice gesture to give Di Resta the testing opportunity on the Fridays but they really need to allow more open testing IMO. Chandok does come across is a decent and professional driver but he is never going to get anywhere unless he gets a lot more seat time. Di Resta also needs the practice or he will never be safe enough to appear on track in competition. Next race Chandock will sit out Friday practice to allow Di Resta the drive which is absolute madness when you consider the lack of testing Chandok has completed himself.
just watched qualifying on Iplayer, think its gonna be a good race tomorrow, Hamilton in p11, i always think he races better when he starts further down the grid, and a big well donr to Sutil getting p10 in the force India, still think Alonso will take 1st place, his times were very consistent on both tyres as were Webbers, he was doing brilliant on the hard compounds.
Clouder_sx
27-03-2010, 11:36
Corners 11 and 12 FTW :notworthy that's all i have to say :)
It's a nice gesture to give Di Resta the testing opportunity on the Fridays but they really need to allow more open testing IMO. Chandok does come across is a decent and professional driver but he is never going to get anywhere unless he gets a lot more seat time. Di Resta also needs the practice or he will never be safe enough to appear on track in competition. Next race Chandock will sit out Friday practice to allow Di Resta the drive which is absolute madness when you consider the lack of testing Chandok has completed himself.
Wrong team Stu ;) Di Resta is driving for Force India, so its either Sutil or Liuzzi sitting out each Friday practice. More than a nice gesture I'd imagine though, more like Mercedes having a say in it as I'd imagine Di Resta will be racing for FI at some point this/next season. He should be safe enough, I'm sure he qualified for his Super Licence in pre-season testing and has been doing not too badly in the DTM over the past few years.
Is it just me, or do the cars look waaaay faster/more exciting from the in-car views in Aus compared to Bahrain? Hopefully will be a lot more eventful anyway. I'm gonna predict some issues for Webber and Fred, might sound crazy but I'll go with a Vettel/Button/Rosberg podium, and Hamilton in 5th or 6th.
i think its becauses there is scenery flashing by on aus, in bahrain theres nothing so it doesnt look as fast
marko14a
27-03-2010, 14:51
Well, just been to the bookies.
Felipe Massa each way at 25/1 thank you very much :D
I have someone to shout for now :wack:
schumi84
27-03-2010, 19:08
Definitely going to be getting up for this race :nod:. A few cars out of position so has the potential to be a good one :).
Barring any 1st corner shananigans i am going for
1: Vettel
2: Alonso
3: Schumacher (well i have to hope dont i :wack:)
cleanhands
27-03-2010, 20:35
Got a Sky+ question if anyone can help.
With the clocks going forward does anyone know if my box will update the time while it's in standby mode?
Sideways14a
27-03-2010, 20:36
It will record it properly, they know what time it is.
A sky box when on standby isnt actually on standby (much) anyway..
cleanhands
27-03-2010, 20:40
Cheers Sideways, thought it would, just wanted to make sure.
i hope it rains in aus for the race tomorrow :D
gtst lad
28-03-2010, 04:15
definately looks like rain, heres the radar
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR021.loop.shtml#skip
some big smashes in the support races, both the formula ford and gt races red flagged do to shocker smashes!!!!!!
schumi84
28-03-2010, 06:00
Morning guys - almost time :)
gtst lad
28-03-2010, 06:56
its drizzling
Morning! Uggh, what am I doing up at this hour? Hopefully this will be good, looking a bit damp already :D
edit: if any mods are awake could we maybe have a spoiler alert in the thread title? I guess most folks aren't daft enough to be watching this first time around :wack:
schumi84
28-03-2010, 07:10
That was a massive impact there from Kobayashi and Hulkenberg :eek:.
Schumi has got it all to do now, this is all set up to be fantastic in the midfield.
gtst lad
28-03-2010, 07:11
agreed, big hit there!!!
edit.... got the buildings of an epic race!
schumi84
28-03-2010, 07:15
ROFL at Di Grassi in the Virgin car :D
gtst lad
28-03-2010, 07:18
hmmm slicks for button?
schumi84
28-03-2010, 07:21
Brave lad, especially after the radio message to Vettel saying more rain in 15mins.
Everyone coming in now, this is gonna be a bit of a mental race :nod:
gtst lad
28-03-2010, 07:28
looks like a good call on slicks afterall... at least 40mins till rain
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR021.loop.shtml#skip
I'm rather surprised but my prediction from yesterday is looking pretty good, just that polish chap getting in the way! He's doing a good job in that Lada
schumi84
28-03-2010, 07:42
On the other hand my prediction is looking very optimistic now :wack:
Fantastic scrap between Alonso, Hamilton, Massa and Webber :)
/edit
and Schumi has finally got passed Algesuari :D - put up a very good fight mind
mattkeeber
28-03-2010, 07:45
How Hamilton's front wing didn't fly off then, I have no idea.
schumi84
28-03-2010, 07:49
There goes Vettel :eek:
and i hate to say it but what a move by Hamilton
gtst lad
28-03-2010, 08:06
would love to see some rain or a safety car right now
schumi84
28-03-2010, 08:36
All the toys have flown out of Hamilton's pram, and carnage ensues :wack:.
Fantastic drive by Button, Kubica also :nod:
mattkeeber
28-03-2010, 08:39
Can't believe Webber... what a complete knob.
Excellent race :)
:nod: glad I got up for that! Great drive by Jenson, well done to Kubica and Hamilton too. Not sure why he was moaning about being pitted, he didn't have the track position, and he killed his fresh set of tyres as a result - he wouldn't have had any rubber on the rims if he stayed out :wack:
Also, mad props to Chandhok. Good effort sir!
Kieran_e1
28-03-2010, 08:46
yep definitely was worth getting up early!!!!!! top race that was
schumi84
28-03-2010, 08:47
Agreed, fantastic race and glad to see them pushing right up to the flag :nod:. Certainly mixes things up a bit and the best part is we only have to wait 1 week til the next race :D
Congrats Jenson, certainly made the best of the changeable conditions and showed excellent tyre/car management.
Funny seeing John Trovolta on the podium :wack:
Good race - well done to Jenson on calling the tyres, it was easy for him from then on though TBH as he's good with tyres anyway and didn't have anything like the amount of traffic Lewis had to deal with.
Some awesome overtaking moves by Hamilton I thought, I don't reckon his tyres would have lasted until the end of the race after all that though, he'd have probably ended up behind the Ferraris anyway... not Rosberg though, that was Webber's fault, the guy is a total knobend :nod:
Infinity
28-03-2010, 09:33
Just watching the (short) highlights on BBCi, looks like it was a blinding race :eek:
Jut
Bugger. Looked like a great race but I had a really great lie-in! Slept right up until 8:30! Luxury!! Got the highlights on now though with Etienne watching too sat on my knee :D
'Grats to Jenson!!
Slipstream_ian
28-03-2010, 10:16
was well worth a early start but webber messed lewis's race up on more than one occasion. But lewis seems to have change alot since kicking his dad in to touch and i fear its for the worse
i got woken up by a fox screaming about 5 mins after the race started so decided to watch it, im glad i did it was an excellent race
think webber loses his cool too easy in overtaking situations and will never be good enough to be a world champ,
once again jensens class shows through, and i thought schumacher was disappointing as he should really have been following alonso back through the pack
i got woken up by a fox screaming about 5 mins after the race started so decided to watch it, im glad i did it was an excellent race
Foxes can scream? Gotta youtube that!
That was a fun race, golden boy was brilliant, shame he didnt steam through the pack at the end, it would have been a good watch, he is getting quite touchy though
Shock horror horror :eek: 'Kubitsa' has a name change to 'Kubeka' :eek: he has been great since day one, Kubica has always punching above his (possibly hers now:wack:) equipment
foxes are noisey as hell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cPg7_nyoBc , i think there was 2 having a barney outside, oh and hamilton does seem a bit touchy, think jensen out performing him all weekend has ruffled his feathers
marko14a
28-03-2010, 13:27
Thank you Mr Massa :D
weiner_patrol
28-03-2010, 14:31
wow what a race...didnt get up for it but watching the replay now...but when the rain dried up it got a bit boring. The start was awesome :)
Clouder_sx
28-03-2010, 14:35
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00rs1nc/Formula_1_2010_The_Australian_Grand_Prix/
1:20.50 on the iPlayer - that is how you exit the pits :nod: :D
Sideways14a
28-03-2010, 14:49
Whoppin race that... epic drive by Button...
Lol at lewis and Webber loosing there cool, was just waiting on Alonso chucking the dummys as well to complete the bad tempered line up...
Chriscooke
28-03-2010, 14:59
Good race and what a call from button:notworthy: I've neve liked webber and this has proved to me that he's a tool of the highest order:mad:
baker_001
28-03-2010, 15:01
Whoppin race that... epic drive by Button...
Lol at lewis and Webber loosing there cool, was just waiting on Alonso chucking the dummys as well to complete the bad tempered line up...
To be fair it was more Webber losing his cool not Lewis, Alonso was way out of shape in that corner too so had Lewis not got an Aussie in the rear I reckon he would have been past :nod:
Oh and kudos to Button for winning, but also for spinning Alonso in the first corner :D
I just hope the next race is as good :indiff:
Bayside Blue
28-03-2010, 15:06
Oh and kudos to Button for winning, but also for spinning Alonso in the first corner :D
That made my day. :D could have just switched off there and not watched the rest. even better that it wasn't clearly buttons fault either.
Danny Pedrosa is Lewis Hamilton's new manager?
Jeez he can whine.
Sideways14a
28-03-2010, 15:13
Lewis had also started to loose his rag a lap or two before the prang when he was moaning about why he was brought in for tyres lol....
Alonso the clumsy git causing that shunt in the first corner..... wonder how things would have turned out if that had not happened.
Just finished watching it on iplayer, fcuk me lewis is starting to sound like a spoilt kid :rolleyes:
Pretty good result for the reds considering they seemed to be struggling, Massa should have let Alonso past though :nod:
Awesome race, loved every minute of it! :D
Lewis had also started to loose his rag a lap or two before the prang when he was moaning about why he was brought in for tyres lol....
Alonso the clumsy git causing that shunt in the first corner..... wonder how things would have turned out if that had not happened.
I don't think Alonso could see him, Brundle says it's those mirrors. He doesn't gain anything by having a shunt on the first corner. You see him turn his entire head later when he thinks Webber could be coming through.
It looks like Redbull are trying to lose themselves the championship again.
Wow what a race. Good camera angles through out, really made the cars look fast in places. Loving the aerial shots of the dry line.
Watched qualifying first as i missed and it wasn't looking good for the teams i like.
Lewis. omg what a drive. The overtake on the outside on the wet line was :eek:. Just Superb. Looked so pissed at the end and rightly so. I know i would have been.
Button. Good drive. thought it was all over when he plowed straight on at turn 3.
Massa. Very glad he managed to keep the Spanish twat behind him as it was looking shaky at one point.
Kubica. Good on him. Glad to see him back after the BMW fiasco of last year.
Vettle. hahahahahaha
Webber. Stupid prick. I was curled up in a fetal ball on the floor when he punted Lewis. At least he said sorry.
I haven't shouted, screamed and cheered like that for years at a F1 race. Was great.
On a side note what really pissed me off was when Button was being given the trophy and the Aussie crowed booing him, then cheering Kubica and Massa. That was bang out of order. Can you imagine the back lash if it was reversed, with Webber winning at Silverstone.
It looks like Redbull are trying to lose themselves the championship again.
They seem to be proving my Red Bull/heavily modified 200SX comparison right with every race :wack: i.e. bloody fast and entertaining when it all comes together, but always likely to end up in the garage due to breaking a ziptie that was holding some sort of major component in place.
On a side note what really pissed me off was when Button was being given the trophy and the Aussie crowed booing him, then cheering Kubica and Massa. That was bang out of order. Can you imagine the back lash if it was reversed, with Webber winning at Silverstone.
They cleared this up in the F1 Forum afterwards - the booing was for the MP chap giving him the trophy, not for him :)
They seem to be proving my Red Bull/heavily modified 200SX comparison right with every race :wack: i.e. bloody fast and entertaining when it all comes together, but always likely to end up in the garage due to breaking a ziptie that was holding some sort of major component in place.
They cleared this up in the F1 Forum afterwards - the booing was for the MP chap giving him the trophy, not for him :)
Ah Fair enough.
Excellent race, have started watching the F1 forum this season and it's very good :)
Dunc.
I'm gutted I couldn't watch this live, had a late night last night (cheers Ken:thumbs: ) and work at 8 this monring :(
So I've just watched it all, blow by blow, on iplayer.
I'm pretty lost for words, so much went on in that race. First and foremost it just goes to show you how utterly crap Bahrain is as a track.
That was truly epic from start to finish. The rain played a massive part but even so it was so entertaining to watch :notworthy
Jenson was ballsy as hell to get himself into first place and then cool as a cucumber to stay there.
I have my doubts about JB for exactly the reason mentioned during the race, he is terrific when he's got the car under him but can't make the most of it when things are against nim, perhaps now things have changed though. Massa is very much the same and he did well to keep Alonso at bay.
I felt for Vettel, he comes across as a cracking bloke on the TV and deserves some luck, he's got WAY too much talent not to be a future champion at some point :nod:
I felt really sorry for Hamilton too, he did have an excellent drive today, the team strategy was sound, they were hedging their bets against the new tyres making up enough ground but that doesn't make up for the small number of points he walked away with today.
I'm hoping the Schuey is a slow burner and will get the car under him the way he wants it to come in with some storming results, he had a cracker with Alg (he he) todat but took way too long to get past him.
As for Webber, silly mistake but it could have been much worse, at least Lewis still got 6th. It could have cost him the whole race :nod:
That race has really sparked me up for the rest of the season, I was disappointed by Bahrain but now it's all back on again :D
Gonna watch the forum now, I may have missed it but I didn't see the drivers standings or constructors at the end of the coverage.
Alg :D (ie not uersuari :p)
Just watching the (short) highlights on BBCi, looks like it was a blinding race :eek:
I tried watching the highlights on the red button earlier and it was like they crammed the whole thing into 5 minutes :annoyed: :rolleyes:
Got the iplayer going now though :)
The only criticism I have with iplayer is watching it on my laptop, the resolution was really poor and got very blocky at some points. It got so bad I couldn't read the text in the info boxes :(
I put the PS3 on halfway through and that was perfect throughout :thumbs:
Massa should have let Alonso past though :nod:
Why ? :confused:
They're both racing drivers being paid to win, there's no number 1 and 2 status and 2 races into the season is a bit too early to say that only one of them has a realistic chance of the title.
imo Massa and Alonso is going to go like it did at Mclaren in 07 when Alonso threw his toys out of the pram because his team mate was his equal.
Sideways14a
28-03-2010, 22:58
To be honest i dont think Alonso had much extra over Massa anyway, he was a bit quicker at a couple of points but once things got into that train then i doubt the team would have accomplished anything (other than a pissed off massa) if he had been let through...
Fezzas were just crap this weekend...
Old Schuy seems to be settling down a bit, it was unfortunate he was punted to the back (he had 3 stops by mid race) and if he was in the middle of that pack that was going ding dong then it could have been different for him.
To be honest i dont think Alonso had much extra over Massa anyway, he was a bit quicker at a couple of points but once things got into that train then i doubt the team would have accomplished anything (other than a pissed off massa) if he had been let through...
Fezzas were just crap this weekend...
Old Schuy seems to be settling down a bit, it was unfortunate he was punted to the back (he had 3 stops by mid race) and if he was in the middle of that pack that was going ding dong then it could have been different for him.
You have high expectations if you thought the Ferrari's were crap this weekend! Alonso was on it all weekend, Massa was having an off week.
He also seems a lot different to the Alonso of old, 2 years in the Renault wilderness where he out performed the car seems to have mellowed him. He seems pretty happy in the Autosport interview.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82507
"The two-time champion also made it clear that he did not think Massa should have let him through, despite being slower than him when he caught the Brazilian.
"No. I don't think so. We are racing also with your team-mate. This is the second race of the championship, so there is nothing you can do. Also, when I arrive behind Felipe my tyres were not in any more a good shape because I was pushing very hard at the beginning.
"I don't think at that time that I could do any more than that. I was more concentrating on Hamilton and Webber – who were coming behind, than attacking Felipe and Robert. I was super happy with fourth, so I stayed there.""
He is leading the world championship after all. I like the new points system, one win early on gets you right back in contention.
Missed it live:mad:
But what a race.
Hamilton should of kept his cool but I can se why after putting in so much it was a bad team decition that cost him 2nd/3rd. His whole carrier is dogged by Mclarens bad decitions:
What a race:eek: some real balls there.
Webber crashed because he was tring to hard but thats what its all about IMHO:nod:
Although I hate Alonso he can drive well from the back to podium:eek:
Hamilton should of kept his cool but I can se why after putting in so much it was a bad team decition that cost him 2nd/3rd. His whole carrier is dogged by Mclarens bad decitions:
I think his tyres would have been in a poor state unlike buttons though.
I think alonso's a tw@t also but much less so than he used to be and regardless he's probably 2nd/3rd best driver out there just now behind Vetal who's been faultless so far and wildly fast.
Dunc.
I think his tyres would have been in a poor state unlike buttons though.
I think alonso's a tw@t also but much less so than he used to be and regardless he's probably 2nd/3rd best driver out there just now behind Vetal who's been faultless so far and wildly fast.
Dunc.
His times were not dropping off:( Agree about Vetal:nod:
This year it is all about UK vs Germany in Merc engined cars:D dont care about the reds or the bulls as long as UK beat Germany.
Excellent race from start to finish :thumbs:
Was excellent seeing Schuey having trouble getting past a Torro Rosso :wack: more proof he should have stayed at home :nod:
Good drive by Lewis but all this 'I was a epic but the team fooked it up for me' is getting :sleep: Button made the call on his tyres, so Lewis should grow some balls and if he didnt want to pit he should have told them to fook off :nod:
Massa looked all over the place but glad he finished in front of Alonso who to be fair made epic progress after his spin :)
Got to feel for Vetal.
I wonder if his speed has any bearing on the unreliability of his car. . ie, does he trash his car by agressive fast driving, so he is very quick but he kills the car ? .... or has the car been made to be that quick but at the expence of more stressed components.
After all McClaren Ferrari etc could all make there cars as quick as the Redbull ..... but they would probably fall apart about lap 30 ... just like the Redbull does ?
If Redbull made the car more reliable would Vetal be as quick ?
Awesom race though .... most overtaking I have seen since the early 90s
His times were not dropping off:(
At the point he stopped that's true, but there was still a fair bit to go in the race. Button was way out in front so could afford to be even easier on the tyres, Lewis is generally pretty tough on them but place him in constant race-long battles with Kubica/Webber/Alfonso/Massa and they'd probably have been pretty rough by the end. Alfonso wasn't even pushing to get past Massa but look how spent his tyres were, he was all over the place at the end :nod:
Good drive by Lewis but all this 'I was a epic but the team fooked it up for me' is getting :sleep:
What part of that isn't true though?:confused:
Button was way out in front so could afford to be even easier on the tyres, Lewis is generally pretty tough on them
Bridgestone have said there is actually no difference between them (Button and Lewis) regarding destroying the tyres (I'll try and find the link but it was after a test session where they did the race simulations). The decision to pit LH was a mistake as the teams had been told the softs could do the whole race. The problem is McLaren are pretty conservative and were trying to cover one car by ensuring that if the softs did result in undrivable cars after 30 laps then LH would pick up the win - if they didn't then JB would get the win. It was a sensible decision for the team but rough on LH. Over the season I'd expect it to even out.
Have to say I did laugh when Vettel went out. Horner and Redbull are really annoying me with his whinging about Renaults engines being not as pwerful as Mercs (the performance of cars doesn't really suggest a problem though), the whinging about the F-Duct wing, proclaiming inocence about ride hide adjusters, and Webber being an arse.
Good race though but mainly caus the rain I suspect. The drying track killed all the overtaking.
edit - can't find the link but it was from an Autosport peice. The idea of softs being able to last the whole race is daft anyway as from now on the only stragety for a dry race is one stop.
Great race with some proper driving in it - I was standing up and shouting at the telly a few times, which is WSB/MotoGP spec for me. Quite pleased that it wasnt a totally wet race too, as it shows there is some hope for good racing this season. Bahrain badly needs to be dropped though.
Very pleased to see Button win, and amused that the shiny faced one didnt - also want to know where he gets off blaming the strategy, the one that was gaining him 5 seconds a lap at one point - it didnt work out but I dont think it necessariyl lost him much. Looking forward to the next race for sure though :thumbs:
What part of that isn't true though?:confused:
Bridgestone have said there is actually no difference between them (Button and Lewis) regarding destroying the tyres (I'll try and find the link but it was after a test session where they did the race simulations). The decision to pit LH was a mistake as the teams had been told the softs could do the whole race. The problem is McLaren are pretty conservative and were trying to cover one car by ensuring that if the softs did result in undrivable cars after 30 laps then LH would pick up the win - if they didn't then JB would get the win. It was a sensible decision for the team but rough on LH. Over the season I'd expect it to even out.
I may be wrong but I seem to recall from the commentary that Button had actually REQUESTED his pit stop and tyre choice, rather than the team deciding.
I could be wrong, though....
edit - can't find the link but it was from an Autosport peice. The idea of softs being able to last the whole race is daft anyway as from now on the only stragety for a dry race is one stop.
its madness, but it was a "cool" (temperature) race blah blah, but the softs should not last that long regardless
Very pleased to see Button win, and amused that the shiny faced one didnt - also want to know where he gets off blaming the strategy, the one that was gaining him 5 seconds a lap at one point - it didnt work out but I dont think it necessariyl lost him much. Looking forward to the next race for sure though :thumbs:
the ONLY person who know exactley what those tyres felt like was Lewis, if he felt at the time it was best for him to pit and change for fresh tyres regardless of what the pit wall was telling him then its ultimatly his decission, if he felt they tyres had plenty of life in them then his upto him to tell the pit wall that he's not comming in.
remember last time he didnt speak up against the pit wall when they wanted him to stay outl onger on dead tyres? he lost it on the pit entry.
the driver is ultimatly responsible for relaying the feel of the tyres/car and if its to their satisfaction
Both Button and the team said that JB made the call so fair play to him ;)
I may be wrong but I seem to recall from the commentary that Button had actually REQUESTED his pit stop and tyre choice, rather than the team deciding.
I could be wrong, though....
yes he did, it was his decission entirely, a gamble and it paid off for him
Great win for Jensen :thumbs:
I was rooting for Lewis to get through and get on the podium until 2 bits of radio traffic they played. First of all, Lewis was complaining that his tyres were going off - odd, since Jensen was on his only set and still lapping quickly - and then, when he realised it still wasn't going his way he blamed the team for bringing him in to change his tyres. Surely if his 2nd set of tyres were that fuggered, his 1st set would have been in pieces by that stage. It all sounded like "waah waah waah, I'm not leading so I'll blame somebody else" :( . I was just starting to warm to the fella aswell :(
Finally, it was actually quite an interesting race for the most part. There was a lull, mid-section, where the only excitement was watching Schumacher being held up, finally overtaking and then immediately being overtaken back again :D . Other than that, it was definitely a good race.
It struck me that the courses themselves are probably more to blame for a boring race than the cars (Monaco anyone?). So Bernie, stop fiddling with the cars to 'make it easier to overtake' and change the circuits :thumbs:
It struck me that the courses themselves are probably more to blame for a boring race than the cars (Monaco anyone?). So Bernie, stop fiddling with the cars to 'make it easier to overtake' and change the circuits :thumbs:
Definitely - turns 1,2 and 3 in Australia and the straights inbetween lent themselves to some decent action, and we all saw a great race. Monaco I predict will see 2 overtakes in the whole race :(
Like I said, Im glad it wasnt a totally wet race as it shows that it can be entertaining in the dry, but Ill hold off until another few races have been run befopre declaring it amazin. :nod:
I may be wrong but I seem to recall from the commentary that Button had actually REQUESTED his pit stop and tyre choice, rather than the team deciding.
I could be wrong, though....
Exactly, as i said Jenson made his call about his tyres. If Lewis was happy with his setup and condition of his tyres then he should have said so when they called him in. I think thats the differece between Jenson and Lewis, Lewis seems to have trouble making decisions and relies on the team getting it right whereas Jenson will make a call and turn a shit situation into a race winning one :)
McRearout
29-03-2010, 13:01
. Monaco I predict will see 2 overtakes in the whole race :(
I think the drivers will try a bit harder though seeing as they can't rely on pit stops.
More crashes will equal more action :D
I give Webber 4 laps max :wack:
Twas a great race. Hat's of to Jenson for making the ballsie decision as well. It's been a long time since I woke up to watch this race live but I'm glad I did. It was worth it. This race had all the required elements - a bit of mixed weather to mix strategies, a big crash, a pace car, Alonso being taken out on the first corner and then having to drive his socks off through the field.
I thought Hamilton was unlucky and hats off to him for driving like a demon after he was pitted for the 2nd time - Although I have to agree with Brundle - what was he doing when he was throwing his toys out of the pram at the tema for bringing him. It was a strategy that this time just didn't pay off...
Exactly, as i said Jenson made his call about his tyres. If Lewis was happy with his setup and condition of his tyres then he should have said so when they called him in. I think thats the differece between Jenson and Lewis, Lewis seems to have trouble making decisions and relies on the team getting it right whereas Jenson will make a call and turn a shit situation into a race winning one :)
I think that has more to do with their past careers and the teams they have worked for. I.e Lewis being brought up in Mclaren with the engineers knowing best and making decisions for him and only now is he realising that they aren't always right. Don't forget he is a good few year younger than Button and in terms of F1 alot less experienced than Button.
Bridgestone have said there is actually no difference between them (Button and Lewis) regarding destroying the tyres (I'll try and find the link but it was after a test session where they did the race simulations).
Ah fair play, I was basing that purely on Lewis' penchant for doing skids generally, as well as Jenson running a quiet race up front and Lewis pushing consistently hard.
I think that has more to do with their past careers and the teams they have worked for. I.e Lewis being brought up in Mclaren with the engineers knowing best and making decisions for him and only now is he realising that they aren't always right. Don't forget he is a good few year younger than Button and in terms of F1 alot less experienced than Button.
Indeed. This is what Alonso said on Autosport..
"Q. When the cars ahead were pitting for the second set of tyres, did you consider doing that as well?
FA: Yes, we were talking. We remained opened until the last moment in terms of the strategy. But, always the simulation says it was better to stay out. It was the risk of losing the positions at the end of the race, as Hamilton and Webber attacked in the last couple of laps. It was a risk we were happy to take because we know how gentle our car is with the tyres, so I think the people that did the second pit stop for dry tyres, it was more the teams who have to worry about the durability of the tyres – so it was fine."
Basically you don't give up track position. It was a gamble on Mclaren's part. If Alonso, Massa and Kubica pitted Lewis would win, if they don't Jenson wins. The gamble didn't pay off for Lewis. In the end he could have said "no".
I actually think Button may have been better off because of the off track incident on slicks. He may of had to push more to stay ahead of Vettel and ruined his tyres. As it was Vettel was too quick and he probably settled for second.
its all IF's and But's, when we do know is that the softs shouldnt last that long in a race regardless of how good/kind the car/driver is on the tyres. whats the point of the hard(er) tyre?
whats the point of the hard(er) tyre?
To make sure people spend a few laps going round on sh1te tyres to give others a chance to overtake. :indiff: Of course a wet race undermines that as they use intermediate tyres
its all IF's and But's, when we do know is that the softs shouldnt last that long in a race regardless of how good/kind the car/driver is on the tyres. whats the point of the hard(er) tyre?
I wondered exactly the same when the commentators mentioned they were supposed to be as durable as each other :wack:
EDIT: ...aaaaaand Johnny makes sense.
Dave
To make sure people spend a few laps going round on sh1te tyres to give others a chance to overtake. :indiff: Of course a wet race undermines that as they use intermediate tyres
did you hear the interview with the bridgestone guy (i think it was on one of the practices) and he said that they tyre compound differences are closer together now than they everh ave been and they will probably get closer in the future.
soo it will be 1 tyre type but with 5 different names.
if the soft can last 165 miles regardless of how knidly they have bene driven then how long will the hards last? 300 miles? a F1 race is a max of 200 miles.
there used to be a big difference between the hard and soft compounds years ago when the teams/drivers could choose what thyres they wanted before all this nannying from Bernie and the FIA
Smoothound
29-03-2010, 13:50
Exactly, as i said Jenson made his call about his tyres. If Lewis was happy with his setup and condition of his tyres then he should have said so when they called him in. I think thats the differece between Jenson and Lewis, Lewis seems to have trouble making decisions and relies on the team getting it right whereas Jenson will make a call and turn a shit situation into a race winning one :)
^This, 100%
It shows his lack of experience IMHO :nod:
It was a cracking race though. Can they just do the rest of the season in Melbourne? :D
Did anyone else wonder about the Permier of Victoria getting booed? Something to do with moving the F1 to Sydney apparently :wack:
if the soft can last 165 miles regardless of how knidly they have bene driven then how long will the hards last? 300 miles? a F1 race is a max of 200 miles.
Didn't the Red Bull tyres look like someone had taken a cheesegrater to them?
Re the tyre calls, Jenson's was merely on the timing of the switch to dry tyres - he knew it would happen in the next few laps, it was just a question of when. That's a driver call as the only thing he has to think about is whether the tyres he's on are working or not. Jenson decided they weren't, so he risked an early switch and it paid off, credit to him, a well calculated gamble :)
Lewis' was more difficult, however, as not only would he need to know about the condition of his tyres (which he did, he said they were fine), but he would also need to know how fast the cars around him were lapping and how much faster people who had already pitted for new tyres (both Mercs and a couple of others IIRC) were going. The last two bits of info only people on the pit wall would have and that makes it a team/strategy call. They told Lewis he needed to come in, he trusted them as he didn't have the info they were looking at. That decision was a classic McLaren strategy fook up sadly, and as someone said earlier, Lewis' career has been dogged by such screw-ups - think China in 2007 where he was winning the race by a large margin (and could have wrapped up the championship then and there) but they left him out for so long on worn inters that not only was he losing about 5 seconds a lap on tyres down to the canvas but he slid off the road into the gravel trap on the pit lane entry :wack:
Anyway, I digress. My point is, you can't compare the two tyre calls as one was clearly Jenson's to make and the other was clearly the team's :nod:
Anyway, I digress. My point is, you can't compare the two tyre calls as one was clearly Jenson's to make and the other was clearly the team's :nod:
Tend to agree with that but you can't have your cake and eat it, so to speak. Lewis can't go round slagging the team off for getting it wrong - it wasn't like the team slagged him off publically when he completely fcuking missed the red light, oh AND the bright red Ferrari, sitting at the end of the pitlane and barrelled into the frickin' thing :wack:
As said before, smacks of immaturity and throwing toys out of pram
AshT_200
29-03-2010, 14:32
Great win for Jensen :thumbs:
I was rooting for Lewis to get through and get on the podium until 2 bits of radio traffic they played. First of all, Lewis was complaining that his tyres were going off - odd, since Jensen was on his only set and still lapping quickly - and then, when he realised it still wasn't going his way he blamed the team for bringing him in to change his tyres. Surely if his 2nd set of tyres were that fuggered, his 1st set would have been in pieces by that stage. It all sounded like "waah waah waah, I'm not leading so I'll blame somebody else" :( . I was just starting to warm to the fella aswell :(
Finally, it was actually quite an interesting race for the most part. There was a lull, mid-section, where the only excitement was watching Schumacher being held up, finally overtaking and then immediately being overtaken back again :D . Other than that, it was definitely a good race.
It struck me that the courses themselves are probably more to blame for a boring race than the cars (Monaco anyone?). So Bernie, stop fiddling with the cars to 'make it easier to overtake' and change the circuits :thumbs:
Interesting point. During the complaining about the tyres going off, Martin Brundle didn't think it was the tyres and more the Aero because, 1 lap before he was lapping so much quicker... the tyres wouldn't have gone off that quickly.
As has already been mentioned, Button made the call on the tyres.... Does Hamilton rely more on the advice from the team, whereas Button also makes his own judgement?
This could make for an interesting season. I think most of us wrote off Button thinking Hamilton would be much faster, but speed doesn't always win the race. Schumacher with Braun were master strategists. Alain Prost was notorious for winning at the slowest pace possible. Admittedly this is only after 2 races. You can forgive Button for not being as quick as Hamilton at Bahrain since it was only his first race with the team.
Another thing that is questionable is Hamilton's ability to cope with pressure. Martin Whitmarsh mentioned that Hamilton was upset over the police incident. FFS he was stopped for doing a burnout. Loads of us have done it and laughed about it afterwards, but it was possibly the reason that he was out qualified by Button.
I'm looking forward to this season now. It will be interesting to see the battle between Hamilton and Button. How long before Hamilton does an Alonso and starts claiming the team are favouring Button?
I still think Vettel is probably the fastest man out there, but I'm not putting any money on anyone winning the championship this year...There's still a number of drivers who can compete for it.... Vettel, The 2 Ferraris, though how many mistakes do Alonso make? - I'd prefer Massa to beat the Spaniard, it's great to see him mixing it up after that awful crash last year. The 2 Mclarens... Rosberg and Kubica are also impressing me at the moment, especially with Kubica putting the Lada badge on the podium :notworthy
And I hate to say it, but give him a few more races and Schumacher may be up there also..... that may also depend on how much cheating he is allowed to do :D
AshT_200
29-03-2010, 14:34
Ah fair play, I was basing that purely on Lewis' penchant for doing skids generally, as well as Jenson running a quiet race up front and Lewis pushing consistently hard.
Hamilton spent much more of the race in the dirty air behind someone, so I expect this will have more of an impact on tyre wear.
AshT_200
29-03-2010, 14:37
To make sure people spend a few laps going round on sh1te tyres to give others a chance to overtake. :indiff: Of course a wet race undermines that as they use intermediate tyres
So to make the race more interesting, change the rules. Half the race on Bridgestone Softs and Half the race on Nankang Ditchfinders... Leave it up to the teams to determine when.... That'll sort the men from the boys :D
Tend to agree with that but you can't have your cake and eat it, so to speak. Lewis can't go round slagging the team off for getting it wrong - it wasn't like the team slagged him off publically when he completely fcuking missed the red light, oh AND the bright red Ferrari, sitting at the end of the pitlane and barrelled into the frickin' thing :wack:
The team probably were pissed with him about that, but some press/media blokey wrote a statement regarding it and Ron Dennis/Martin Whitmarsh effectively read it out to the camera.
Slightly different to a driver being interviewed in the heat of the moment after the race before he's had a chance to wipe the sweat from his brow, let alone calm down :smash:
He'll have cheanged his tune about it by next week, same as Barrichello did after his "I don't want to hear what the team have to say 'cos it'll be all bla bla bla" outburst last year when again, a call the team had made effectively lost him the race :wack:
Sideways14a
29-03-2010, 14:39
Vetel is the fastest chap on the track at the moment, the RB is also (in one lap trim) prob the fastest out there on a lot of tracks.
However the RB is more fragile than a china egg and Vetel's driving puts it under a lot of strain.
Hami and Button appear to be well matched, Button holding a slight advantage with his smoothness but of course Hami being the more agressive so it depends on the tyres with those two.
Alonso... well i still think Massa is going to give him Jip all season so you wont be able to seperate those two.
Shumy and Rosberg... well for the time being Rosberg is quicker, but dont count on the oldtimer being far away and it wont be long before he is right up there, if it wernt for that shunt at the start MS could have been 4th or 5th...
Regarding LH's radio outburst about the team I do wonder how common swearing at the team at is. The decision on what to broadcast from the pit radio is down to FOM. For all we know every driver cusses his team when they make a dodgy decision. I know I cuss my team mates when they cock up on the pitch and they do the same to me. Normally the pit radio is all a bit bland but in this race we had two bits of unusally meaningful chat - Massa being told how to drive and LH balling out the strategy guys.
I'm not suggesting a conspiracy here just that we don't know if this really that unusual.
AshT_200
29-03-2010, 16:20
Swearing was common in Montoya's day :D
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Swearing was common in Montoya's day :D
I expect there were a few choice words after Webber bumped into LH, Schumacher/Alonso and Button had their first corner get together as well. It does just seem that if it LH then it gets blown massively out of proportion. For example did many of know about this - other driver not really worth bothering with? (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/766349/Driver-filmed-racing-car-around-Melbourne.html)
AshT_200
29-03-2010, 16:51
I expect there were a few choice words after Webber bumped into LH, Schumacher/Alonso and Button had their first corner get together as well. It does just seem that if it LH then it gets blown massively out of proportion. For example did many of know about this - other driver not really worth bothering with? (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/766349/Driver-filmed-racing-car-around-Melbourne.html)
As one of the comments on that page said, Hamilton was stupid enough to do it in front of the plod.
Racing drivers used to be akin to rock stars, why do they have to be squeaky clean? and Hamilton doubly so.
As one of the comments on that page said, Hamilton was stupid enough to do it in front of the plod.
And Alonso was daft enough to get filmed and posted on the web but who's the one getting all the attention and why is there no attention on Alonso. This is just as dangerous as "deliberately losing traction". Possibly more so because it goes on for quite a while ona main road. Not just on the exit of the circuit.
As one of the comments on that page said, Hamilton was stupid enough to do it in front of the plod.
Nonsense isn't it, they should be arrested for NOT doing burnouts in flashy cars and shagging models etc!
That's why I liked Kimi, he was deffo more old school :D
Dunc.
AshT_200
29-03-2010, 17:07
Racing drivers used to be akin to rock stars, why do they have to be squeaky clean? and Hamilton doubly so.
And Alonso was daft enough to get filmed and posted on the web but who's the one getting all the attention and why is there no attention on Alonso. This is just as dangerous as "deliberately losing traction". Possibly more so because it goes on for quite a while ona main road. Not just on the exit of the circuit.
Is it because Hamilton seems to have a desire to look whiter than white? Whereas Alonso knows that everyone regards him as a twat with big eyebrows....
Also in Hamilton's case it probably didn't help when he intimated that Mark Webber should probably retire at the end of the year because he was getting on a bit. No wonder the Aussie's went after him when this happened.
AshT_200
29-03-2010, 17:08
Nonsense isn't it, they should be arrested for NOT doing burnouts in flashy cars and shagging models etc!
That's why I liked Kimi, he was deffo more old school :D
Dunc.
Jame Hunt :notworthy
Jame Hunt :notworthy
Proper racing driver :nod:
Is it because Hamilton seems to have a desire to look whiter than white?
He's never going to manage that :no:
Okay, I'll get my coat...
Taxi!
:wack:
:D
AshT_200
29-03-2010, 18:53
He's never going to manage that :no:
Okay, I'll get my coat...
Taxi!
:wack:
:D
Aitch, you're a racist bastard!!!!!! :wack:
Aitch, you're a racist bastard!!!!!! :wack:
I was in two minds whether to post it in case people actually believed that :o
I was in two minds whether to post it in case people actually believed that :o
Schizophrenic AND racist?!?!
God help us all :D
Sideways14a
29-03-2010, 22:18
It's official, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8592317.stm.
Yup most of us have known it for a while :D
He should get a booting :) [/simpsons]
weber is a CNUT! can happen to anyone though i suppose!
schumi84
30-03-2010, 09:45
All i am going to say is that Hamilton showed his true colours at this race, i wouldnt be surprised if there are no toys left in his pram by the middle of the season :wack:
All i am going to say is that Hamilton showed his true colours at this race, i wouldnt be surprised if there are no toys left in his pram by the middle of the season :wack:
What that he had a bad weekend (arrested, team cocked up Q2 for him (put old tyres on and kept him in 4 minutes), team messed up race strategy and let people know it? Or are these his true colours?
As I have worked on many Grand Prix over the years I have been in the fortunate position to be on the inside and see sides of the sport's personalities most never see. At Monaco last year I was assisting a charity for children with terminal illnesses. We had a group of these children with us for the weekend. I cannot think of one driver who did not step up and give these children so much of their time & the same went for many team managers. One driver that stood out was LH. He appeared on the yacht we were using totally unannounced (with father and brother) with no PR man or any press and spent nigh on an hour and a half chatting with the children and their families. After he left the children followed and spent another hour on the Hamilton yacht being entertained by the Hamilton family and others from McLaren. As you can imagine, there were some very happy children (and parents)
From Kevin Eason's Times Blog (http://timesonline.typepad.com/formula_one/2010/03/kevin-eason--my-admiration-for-lewis-hamilton-grew-with-every-lap-after-all-he-had-been-through-after-emerging-from-melbour.html)
The amount of abuse he gets for being no different to any other driver is ridiculous (see the fuss over Alonso's speeding for comparison).
I dont get why people even care if he gets annoyed at not winning ..... Its F1 .. its a car race, not fapping East-fcuking-Enders
"OMG did you hear, Lewis just called Webber a Bastid for hitting him .. I wonder what will happen next week" :ghey: weak and lame !
schumi84
30-03-2010, 10:32
What that he had a bad weekend (arrested, team cocked up Q2 for him (put old tyres on and kept him in 4 minutes), team messed up race strategy and let people know it? Or are these his true colours?
True colurs as in that is what he is really like in real life with that outburst and showing complete disrespect when something goes wrong and blaming everyone else, not this smiley facade he puts on for the cameras.
I have always had a dislike for Alonso as he came across as and arrogant git, but when Hamilton and Alonso were team-mates it actually transpires that it was the other way around, with Alonso being decent guy :nod:
True colurs as in that is what he is really like in real life with that outburst and showing complete disrespect when something goes wrong and blaming everyone else, not this smiley facade he puts on for the cameras.
I see you ignore the bit about him spending his time with the disabled kids there? You ignore the fact it's well known he'll hang around for ages signing photos etc for fans, he visits carting centres to see kids racing and engage them.
I have always had a dislike for Alonso as he came across as and arrogant git, but when Hamilton and Alonso were team-mates it actually transpires that it was the other way around, with Alonso being decent guy :nod:
Alonso the decent one? The man that was asking for the Ferrari info from PDLR? The man that tried to blackmail his own team by taking HIS email revealing the cheating to Max Mosely? The man that demanded no1 status in the team becuase he couldn't handle a rookie?
Alonso is many things (and I feel his drive was the best in Oz) but until he had two years trundling around in the mid-field he was anything but decent.
True colurs as in that is what he is really like in real life with that outburst and showing complete disrespect when something goes wrong and blaming everyone else, not this smiley facade he puts on for the cameras.
I have always had a dislike for Alonso as he came across as and arrogant git, but when Hamilton and Alonso were team-mates it actually transpires that it was the other way around, with Alonso being decent guy :nod:
What utterly unmitigated bullshit!! Are your true colours that you, in real life, always try to ascertain what everyone else's personality is, based on a single outburst following an undeservedly poor result? Give the guy a break, he's a fookin awesome driver, IMO he had the best drive of the race on Sunday by a large margin and like the rest of us he is allowed to drop his gaurd and be human every now and again.
See, your bullshit has pissed me off and made me post this but it's not my true colours to bite at forum posts!! ;)
weber is a CNUT! can happen to anyone though i suppose!
Why? And what can happen to anyone? :confused:
Smoothound
30-03-2010, 11:10
Alonso for World Champion :nod:
*hides*
Alonso for World Champion :nod:
:mad: Why you little..! *where's he gone?
McRearout
30-03-2010, 11:13
It's motor racing. Shit happens.
I've never seen a driver get so much abuse as Hamilton.
I think a lot of it is repressed racism - not meaning people on here - but from some the people I've talked to or heard talking about him in my day to day life.
I've heard someone actually say they don't like him because of his skin colour :rolleyes::ghey:
Im sure all the drivers are on best behaviour when theres a camera pointed at them (Alonso didnt know, did he :D) but I also know that most are massive self centred prima donnas as soon as the Camera goes off. :nod:
As I would probably be if I was in that position :D
McRearout
30-03-2010, 11:17
As I would probably be if I was in that position :D
Yup,
Me too :nod:
'Jeeves! Fetch me my Gold studded Aligator leather thong right away!'
:D
schumi84
30-03-2010, 11:45
I see you ignore the bit about him spending his time with the disabled kids there? You ignore the fact it's well known he'll hang around for ages signing photos etc for fans, he visits carting centres to see kids racing and engage them.
Alonso the decent one? The man that was asking for the Ferrari info from PDLR? The man that tried to blackmail his own team by taking HIS email revealing the cheating to Max Mosely? The man that demanded no1 status in the team becuase he couldn't handle a rookie?
Alonso is many things (and I feel his drive was the best in Oz) but until he had two years trundling around in the mid-field he was anything but decent.
What utterly unmitigated bullshit!! Are your true colours that you, in real life, always try to ascertain what everyone else's personality is, based on a single outburst following an undeservedly poor result? Give the guy a break, he's a fookin awesome driver, IMO he had the best drive of the race on Sunday by a large margin and like the rest of us he is allowed to drop his gaurd and be human every now and again.
See, your bullshit has pissed me off and made me post this but it's not my true colours to bite at forum posts!! ;)
Lol, no, my true colours are that i take people how i see them and know from real life that he only bothers to sign autographs and the like when it suits him to make him look good.
Sorry that you think what i have said is bullshit but what i have said is taken from from one of the mechanics that worked at McLaren and so got to see this first hand.
All i am stating is facts and dont mean to piss people off, his outburst on Sunday just reconfirmed to me that he is a spoilt brat that doesnt like it when things dont go his way (and yes i am aware that there are others like this but that is besides the point).
I am not disagreeing with you that he had a fantastic race (see my previous posts that i made during the race) and his overtake on Rosberg was in the same league as Alonso's pass on Schumacher at the 130R at Suzaka.
AshT_200
30-03-2010, 12:15
Lol, no, my true colours are that i take people how i see them and know from real life that he only bothers to sign autographs and the like when it suits him to make him look good.
Sorry that you think what i have said is bullshit but what i have said is taken from from one of the mechanics that worked at McLaren and so got to see this first hand.
All i am stating is facts and dont mean to piss people off, his outburst on Sunday just reconfirmed to me that he is a spoilt brat that doesnt like it when things dont go his way (and yes i am aware that there are others like this but that is besides the point).
They aren't facts, they are hearsay.... not saying you are wrong, just being pedantic :D
I am not disagreeing with you that he had a fantastic race (see my previous posts that i made during the race) and his overtake on Rosberg was in the same league as Alonso's pass on Schumacher at the 130R at Suzaka.
Anybody whos ever been even semi serious into Karting etc will know that these posh boy/man toys out the pram incidents are a large part of it.
"Im rich therefore im better, how dare you over take me im going to the marshalls to whinge" I cant imagine what the F1 lot must be like :annoyed:
Lol, no, my true colours are that i take people how i see them and know from real life that he only bothers to sign autographs and the like when it suits him to make him look good.
Sorry that you think what i have said is bullshit but what i have said is taken from from one of the mechanics that worked at McLaren and so got to see this first hand.
All i am stating is facts and dont mean to piss people off, his outburst on Sunday just reconfirmed to me that he is a spoilt brat that doesnt like it when things dont go his way (and yes i am aware that there are others like this but that is besides the point).
But it's not real life, most of your experience of him is through the television with some additional info from a mate. Does your mate actually work with Hamilton on a regular basis or is he one of the thousand+ engineers employed at Woking who have only seen him from afar at a conference?
People are always quick to judge and call someone a twat and say they hate them and think they are cnuts when they have the slimmest of information to go on. These guys are only ever in our presence on TV when they are in what must be the most stressful circumstances imaginable and some handle the stress better than others but it doesn't mean one is more of a cnut than the other. I suggest just look beyond the perceived personalities and focus on enjoying the racing. :nod:
schumi84
30-03-2010, 14:06
The guy i know was one of the mechanics that used to work on Hamilton's car :nod:, and worked at McLaren when Kimi was there - it was from him that i first heard about Kimi's wild party antics :D.
I totally agree that the racing should be the first thing that is looked at and enjoyed, and judging by Sunday's race the season is shaping up to be just that - very enjoyable :nod:
I'm not a Lewis fan at all, but in 2007 i went to Monza and i got a Pit entry pass for the thursday, watching all the teams building their cars and getting them weighed, for the 4 hours i was in the pit lane (therem ust have been 500+ other punters) the ONLY driver to come out of his motorhome to spend 30mins or so signing autogrpahs was Lewis. ok that could have been due to the fact it was his first season etc, but i would imagine he would do the same at most if not all races. whats 30 mins of your time for your fans?
Kubica walked into his Garage, spoke to someone in his team then walked off. didnt eve aknowldege the 50+ people screaming his name, not even a wave. now thats arrogance
Smoothound
30-03-2010, 14:45
Kubica walked into his Garage, spoke to someone in his team then walked off. didnt eve aknowldege the 50+ people screaming his name, not even a wave. now thats arrogance
I can understand how it seems like that, but put yourself in his shoes : Everytime you walk into the pits, there's 100 people shouting your name and wanting signatures. Now for a short while that's probably OK. But for 4 hours? Every practice, quali and race day? For a whole season? Every year? You couldn't work like that, eventually you just have to block people out when you really need to get on with prep. I'm sure Lewis does the same now :rolleyes:
I can understand how it seems like that, but put yourself in his shoes : Everytime you walk into the pits, there's 100 people shouting your name and wanting signatures. Now for a short while that's probably OK. But for 4 hours? Every practice, quali and race day? For a whole season? Every year? You couldn't work like that, eventually you just have to block people out when you really need to get on with prep. I'm sure Lewis does the same now :rolleyes:
Its all part of being in the limelight :nod: no different to being a movie star or in a band etc :no: If you dont like it then dont do it IMO
Its all part of being in the limelight :nod: no different to being a movie star or in a band etc :no: If you dont like it then dont do it IMO
Or ...... is it part of watching sport ? ... your heros are people, they get pissed off, they have jobs to do, they get angry .... if you dont like it, dont watch it
Mark Webber needs to win the next race, stop at the side of the track and pick up a blowup doll with Britney Spears written on her back to get back at Lewis for calling him a bastard.:nod:
Or ...... is it part of watching sport ? ... your heros are people, they get pissed off, they have jobs to do, they get angry .... if you dont like it, dont watch it
They get paid a shitloads of money to entertain the crowds. Throw as many strops as you like in your trailer etc but in front of the fans you have to do your job, smile and wave to the people :whip:
They get paid a shitloads of money to entertain the crowds. :
I was entertained by Hamilton having a hissy over the radio .... adds to the drama of the race .... would have been better if there were fistycuffs like in the days of Senna, Prost and Mansel
And are they really paid to entertain the crowds ... or to win races ?
Simon Cowel, now he is paid to entertain an audience, and acts like a cnut. Why do sports people have to be whiter than white, shiney teeth and never say fcuk :wack: .. its not natural
Mark Webber needs to win the next race, stop at the side of the track and pick up a blowup doll with Britney Spears written on her back to get back at Lewis for calling him a bastard.:nod:
Britteny is Nico Rosberg's nick name isn't it? :confused:
Britteny is Nico Rosberg's nick name isn't it? :confused:
Is it haha.:) I was referring to Valentino Rossi's feud with Max Biaggi, Max was going out with Naomi Campbell when Rossi did his victory lap with a blowup doll on the back of his bike with Claudia Schiffer written on her back.
Bernie was desperate to get him into formula 1, more charisma than the whole lot of them put together.
I can understand how it seems like that, but put yourself in his shoes : Everytime you walk into the pits, there's 100 people shouting your name and wanting signatures. Now for a short while that's probably OK. But for 4 hours? Every practice, quali and race day? For a whole season? Every year? You couldn't work like that, eventually you just have to block people out when you really need to get on with prep. I'm sure Lewis does the same now :rolleyes:
I know, but during practice, quali, etc no punters are allowed in the pits, and you have to have a special ticket for entry to the pits or behind the pits for the Friday, Saturday, Sunday. this is one of the only short periods of time that the fans can actually get to see their drivers up close. i got entry as i bought a 3 day grandstand pass which wasnt that cheap. they spend most of Thursday doing PR stuff as there isnt much for them todo as the team is building the car etc ready for first practice on Friday morning
just 30 mins of their time per day out of 4 days IMHO isnt mutch to ask
i understand they have a job to do, but the majority of peole there have paid a lot of money to be there easpecially to get a pit pass for thursday
hands up, all the 200sx drivers who have pulled away from the lights, with exhubarance?
hands up, who didn't check their mirrors first ;)
and watching the video, did you see Hamiltons driving position? ffs, laying down is ok in an F1, but not on the road...........
They get paid a shitloads of money to entertain the crowds. Throw as many strops as you like in your trailer etc but in front of the fans you have to do your job, smile and wave to the people :whip:
Disagree. They get paid shit loads of money to win races. Entertaining crowds is a byproduct, regardless of how much of their salary is generated by it.
If they got paid to entertain crowds they'd be doing doughnuts, drifting round the hairpin at Spa and punting people off into the grass for fun (although some of them do this as a byproduct of trying to win races - Mr Webber, I'm looking at you :wack: )
AshT_200
30-03-2010, 16:06
Simon Cowel, now he is paid to entertain an audience, and acts like a cnut. Why do sports people have to be whiter than white, shiney teeth and never say fcuk :wack: .. its not natural
That's because everyone sees it as what it is.... and act.
Disagree. They get paid shit loads of money to win races. Entertaining crowds is a byproduct, regardless of how much of their salary is generated by it.
If they got paid to entertain crowds they'd be doing doughnuts, drifting round the hairpin at Spa and punting people off into the grass for fun (although some of them do this as a byproduct of trying to win races - Mr Webber, I'm looking at you :wack: )
if you do a donut on track, you get fined. now wtf is that all about?
the motogp riders can do pretty much what they like after the race, usually surrounded by the track invading crouds, but the 4wheel racers aren't allowed to give the croud a treat
Alonso for World Champion :nod:
If I was putting money on at this stage, that's where mine would be going now :nod: Agreed with whoever else mentioned it, his drive on Sunday was class - all the way up there after a disaster in the first corner, but without taking daft risks.
Britteny is Nico Rosberg's nick name isn't it? :confused:
Yup, I tried to find a bit of info about why but all I found was that it was down to his hairdo... I did wonder if it was some sort of rhyming slang - Britney Spears/queers :ghey: :wack:
That's because everyone sees it as what it is.... an act.
But coming out and waving and being happy when you are pissed and not blaming anyone and not getting angry incase the radio is on or the cameras are pointing at you is also an act ? they are not being there natural selves.
Wouldnt you rather know what was going on, how stressed the Driver is, how the team is operating what scores are up to be settled on the track, rather than getting a Dentist white fake smile out of the driver who falsely says "I am really happy coming 11th, everyone else drove better than me on the day, I dont blame Senna for rear ending me, its all fun ... and remember kids its not about winning its about taking part .... and even if we come last this year, I'll still get a drive next year with a top team becuase its all about love"
I am a grown up .... children listen to there parents going through devorces and falling out with there best friends at school .... I am sure we can all cope with pissed off race driver.
In BTCC drivers arnt afraid to tell the camera what a dick Plato was .... BTCC drivers arnt afraid to go around to his garage and tell him what a dick he is ... And the sport still works
Sideways14a
30-03-2010, 17:12
In BTCC drivers arnt afraid to tell the camera what a dick Plato was .... BTCC drivers arnt afraid to go around to his garage and tell him what a dick he is ... And the sport still works
Yeah but to be fair thats like telling someone the suns going to rise tomorrow.... :wack:
watching the red mist decend behind a drivers visor is part of the sport, then listening to them explain how much a spaktard another driver is, is entertaining, then watching 2 complete pit crews trying to separate 2 drivers from each others throats is also entertaining, the last time i remember this was Schumacher and Coulthard agges ago.
if you want feeling less drivers put robots in the cars.
if you want an interview with some added heat, watch Aussie V8's, they dont hold back
AshT_200
30-03-2010, 17:17
But coming out and waving and being happy when you are pissed and not blaming anyone and not getting angry incase the radio is on or the cameras are pointing at you is also an act ? they are not being there natural selves.
Wouldnt you rather know what was going on, how stressed the Driver is, how the team is operating what scores are up to be settled on the track, rather than getting a Dentist white fake smile out of the driver who falsely says "I am really happy coming 11th, everyone else drove better than me on the day, I dont blame Senna for rear ending me, its all fun ... and remember kids its not about winning its about taking part .... and even if we come last this year, I'll still get a drive next year with a top team becuase its all about love"
I am a grown up .... children listen to there parents going through devorces and falling out with there best friends at school .... I am sure we can all cope with pissed off race driver.
In BTCC drivers arnt afraid to tell the camera what a dick Plato was .... BTCC drivers arnt afraid to go around to his garage and tell him what a dick he is ... And the sport still works
No, but Whitmarsh telling the camera how stressed and upset Hamilton was didn't help.... only makes him look like a pussy. FFS so the police caught you playing silly buggers in your car.... get over it
In BTCC drivers arnt afraid to tell the camera what a dick Plato was .... BTCC drivers arnt afraid to go around to his garage and tell him what a dick he is ... And the sport still works
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"I'm going for first says Cleland!" :D
No, but Whitmarsh telling the camera how stressed and upset Hamilton was didn't help.... only makes him look like a pussy. FFS so the police caught you playing silly buggers in your car.... get over it
Yeah, but if you got caught doing that you wouldn't get the entire world's press banging on about it... or the Aussie road safety minister calling you a dickhead :wack:
I'm sure he was more upset about the negative media attention than the incident itself, I know I would be.
AshT_200
30-03-2010, 20:03
Yeah, but if you got caught doing that you wouldn't get the entire world's press banging on about it... or the Aussie road safety minister calling you a dickhead :wack:
I'm sure he was more upset about the negative media attention than the incident itself, I know I would be.
Well if he didn't want the attention, he shouldn't have acted like a cock then.
The various stories blaming his behaviour on his father no longer being there are amusing, considering his dad stacked a Carrera GT into a kiddies playground.:wack:
marko14a
30-03-2010, 21:43
Well if he didn't want the attention, he shouldn't have acted like a cock then.
If he didn't want attention he wouldn't be an F1 driver.
Moaning git :wack:
was nice race
great job Button and Kubica
i hope they will fight for podium next time
Well if he didn't want the attention, he shouldn't have acted like a cock then.
Since when was doing a burnout acting like a cock?
As far as I'm concerned his only mistake was not spotting the Police car, which is a mistake any one of us could have made...
marko14a
30-03-2010, 21:59
Since when was doing a burnout acting like a cock?
How is doing a burnout on a public street not acting like a cock?
If he didn't want attention he wouldn't be an F1 driver.
Moaning git :wack:
It's the pinnacle of track driving and pays fairly well, I think he competes in F1 for than money and the competitiveness, not so he can be on TV. There are far easier ways to get on TV and attract attention. :rolleyes:
AshT_200
30-03-2010, 22:40
It's the pinnacle of track driving and pays fairly well, I think he competes in F1 for than money and the competitiveness, not so he can be on TV. There are far easier ways to get on TV and attract attention. :rolleyes:
Unless you are one of the pay drivers, I cannot believe the others do it for more than the money.... All the endorsements that go with it etc... in the end you aren't just a racing driver, you are part of a massive PR machine, where image is the key. If you don't want to spoil that image, don't do things that could and will...
Yup, I tried to find a bit of info about why but all I found was that it was down to his hairdo... I did wonder if it was some sort of rhyming slang - Britney Spears/queers :ghey: :wack:
There were some rumours about him.
If you don't want to spoil that image, don't do things that could and will...
What image though .... all this PC bollocks has only come about in the last couple of years .. Some Vegetarian somewhere has just decided that F1 is going to be the new gay scene, since the steel factories are closing down, first thing we must do is make all the drivers pretty, and when they get out the car they must run up and kiss each other :wack:
No other motor sport is like this, F1 wasnt like this back in the 90s or 80's .... and watching documentries about 70s F1, it wasnt like that then.
Why all of a sudden is F1 more about what happens off the track than on Lawyers, plastic wrapping, handbags, spanking :wack: When did the Media take over F1 ?
marko14a
31-03-2010, 08:08
Why all of a sudden is F1 more about what happens off the track than on Lawyers, plastic wrapping, handbags, spanking :wack: When did the Media take over F1 ?
That would be that 'Orrible little dwarf Ecclestone and his Nazi bondage loving mate Mosley :wack:
The Chef
31-03-2010, 09:56
Why all of a sudden is F1 more about what happens off the track than on Lawyers, plastic wrapping, handbags, spanking :wack: When did the Media take over F1 ?
Its because what happens on the track is not as exciting as what happens off the track.
(bar the wet races)
Its all about publicity. If F1 is in the news - its a good thing. Invariably, the 'racing' is barely news worthy, so the shinanagans that go on outside have to be reported on.
McRearout
31-03-2010, 10:30
That would be that 'Orrible little dwarf Ecclestone and his Nazi bondage loving mate Mosley :wack:
'Allegedly' :wack:
AshT_200
31-03-2010, 12:41
What image though .... all this PC bollocks has only come about in the last couple of years .. Some Vegetarian somewhere has just decided that F1 is going to be the new gay scene, since the steel factories are closing down, first thing we must do is make all the drivers pretty, and when they get out the car they must run up and kiss each other :wack:
No other motor sport is like this, F1 wasnt like this back in the 90s or 80's .... and watching documentries about 70s F1, it wasnt like that then.
Why all of a sudden is F1 more about what happens off the track than on Lawyers, plastic wrapping, handbags, spanking :wack: When did the Media take over F1 ?
You are absolutely right - I think because of the way all sports have become, the characters are being forced to be less interesting....
Look at it this way, who would you rather go to the pub with? Tiger Woods who lives and breathes golf, or the Tiger Woods who shags porn stars? I'd rather go to the pub with John Terry than some oik who lives and breathes football (simply to keep him away from my missus of course :wack:)
Sports personalitys used to be far more interesting, but it is a breath of fresh air when they slip up...
My argument about Hamilton was if his image is so important, he shouldn't act stupid.... I'd much rather he had just said "So I did a burnout... so what" brushed it off and got on racing, but according to Whitmarsh, he didn't and got upset about it.
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