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its comming up 6 years soon :(
i really have only just got into his music....being to young to realise his music when he was alive....
was there any motives behind his killing ?
what was the reaction like in music cirules
was he ever that good and was it hyped up after his death
i think alot of the names of his tracks in some of the albums make me think "ready to die" "Suicidal LThoughts" "Who Shot Ya"
what was the link with Tupac in all of this ?
:confused:
BIGGIE was the man :(
I love all his albums :thumbs:
Basically Biggie and 2Pac were mates and did some tracks together and then something got inbetween them (money I think) I can't remember exactly and they fell out and were in rival gangs.
Theres conspiracy theories about Biggie and 2Pacs deaths because of the predictice lyrics etc.
Do a google, theres loads of info on this :)
Dave
just did reading now
its all very interesting and confusing
his albums still feel fresh even today....
i think that is because people keep ripping his lyrics :mad:
Right, /me goes and finds some BIG Mp3s to listen to at work until I can listen to the CDs in the car :D
Dave
2Pac and BIG were good mates... then 2Pac got jiggy wit Faith Evans, (Notorious wife)... then the cussing started, then 2pac got shot, but survived, West/East rivalry took off... blah blah blah.... :rolleyes:
Tupac was far better in MHO... WEST side n*gga for life baby.:finger: :|
i got on juicy..........
going onto Big poppa :D
then ****ing you tonight :)
such good tunes
Originally posted by *DeathStar*
what was the link with Tupac in all of this ?
:confused:
same music genre.
MattyGee
04-06-2003, 22:40
ive always liked tupacs rhymes more than biggies too, altho there are a few of biggies that i think are great, tupac was much more consistant IMO.
you cant beat "Picture Me Rollin" on a hot summers night :cool:
i never liked puff daddy's style, ( just look at what he's done to Nas ! :( ) and i could see what tupac was saying about puffy getting his face on every biggie video and in the end rhyming on them too.
tupac r.i.p ? :notworthy
anyway, its all in the past, DMX is where its at :D
"Picture me rollin in my Mercedes Benz" :D
Tupac & Biggie R.I.P :( :cry: :notworthy
Dave
MattyGee
04-06-2003, 22:48
"hittin' switches on b1tches, like i was fixed with hydraulics"
tupac :(
anyone into Jurassic 5 or Rakim ? :thumbs:
2Pac was the greatest :notworthy
So whos read all the stuff on him not being dead and the 7 day theory, some of it is quite spooky and gets you thinking.
Anyone read 'Have Gun Will Travel', its all about Deathrow and is a bloody good read. :thumbs:
Still love Ice Cube, cant beat 'it was a good day' when the sun is out :thumbs:
MattyGee
04-06-2003, 23:06
cant disagree with you there Mark, Cube is still ace, i love listening to "The Pecking Order" on rainy nights when im driving back from my g/f's
also "Ghetto Vet"
roll on a new album from him, my copy of war and peace vol 2 is gonna start warping soon through use :D
Not read Have Gun will travel, must get a copy. Not available electronically anywhere is it?? for work use :D
Dave
Originally posted by Dave_S
Not read Have Gun will travel, must get a copy. Not available electronically anywhere is it?? for work use :D
Dave
You are more than welcome to borrow mine some time Dave :thumbs:
also have
The Killing of Tupac Shakur by Cathy Scott
and Fight the Power by Chuck D which is very deep but excellent
thx mate :)
I've got one about Tupac, but can I remember the name ... lol
Dave
Been into Hip Hop since like 91 when I was 13, Ready to Die and Me against the word were great albums!!
I dunno who's rhymes I prefer but I think that their are some lyrcists around now who are to biggie and 2pacs standards, people like Mos Def, Luda, etc.
I'm into a lotta old school rap from early 90's like Main Source, Del tha funky homosapien, Black Street, Gang Star, EPMD, etc. :thumbs:
bloody hell its great to know that not only have i got fellow breadrins into their 200sx's but seems we got loadsa hip-hop heads on here 2!In regards to Tupac and the is he/isnt he alive debate heres what I know about his little cryptic clues, and besides we all know hes alive and well in cuba waiting to come back as part of the 7 year theory, right?!! :D
Anyways back in like 95 Tupac dropped an album called "Makavelli" which also had a cartoon rendtition of him crucified on a cross - his own death was more than a preoccupation with him, it was a motivating fascination. Makavelli was an italian scholar and master of war who basically preached that to destroy your enemies and conqueor your world, the ultimate weapon in war and politics is to fake your own death, fool your enemies, dissapear and then come back and swiftly dispose of enemies in secret. Tupac took the moniker 'Makavelli' which has continually fuelled the rumours that his death was faked.
The fake death scenario is also pumped up by looking at various coroners photos of the deceased 'Tupac' - very hazy and black and white images that apparantly show an unrecognisable bald black male, who DOESNT HAVE THE SAME TATTOOS as Tupac!!!
*******fingers now aching, so ill give someone else a chance to put something into this thread, and ill get back 2 kickin the spiel later!!************ :p ;)
Tupac was and still is the king of Hip-Hop :notworthy :notworthy
Biggie was no way as good but some of Biggies tunes were just designed to be blasted in your car
NOTORIOUS THUGS springs to mind - 'they call me biggie biggie...'
You have to listen to 'Hit em Up' by 2pac. Its a full song dedicated to cussing Biggie and Bad Boy Records - "'F*ck biggie, F*ck bad boy as a staff, record label and a crew and if you wanna be down with bad boy - F*uck u 2"
You have to listen to this song. I think its the best Hip Hop tune ever.
ahhh brings back memories of my college days :cool:
Tupac wasnt a very technically gifted rapper, but what he lacked in skills he more than made up for in persona, character and writing ability,he is more than the black elvis he is the architypal model for a generation of urban wasted youth really aint he.....it was his persona and charisma that unfortunately lead to his death
crackdownuk
05-06-2003, 00:10
:) both excellent rapper, but maybe 2 pac was just that bit better, the lyrics are so good:finger: My favourite tune has to be "wonder why they call you bitch" what a great song, very hard hitting..............some of puffy (the remix master)daddy stuff is okay especially been around the world VIDEO as it has J-LO in:D :D and mo money mo problems GREAT:D
We will miss you 2pac + BIG:cry: :cry: :wave:
now we have to listen to jay-z and nas, talk about each other.........:(
u gotta remember that Tupac was trained as a BALLERINA!! :eek:
and that is the gospel!but u also gotta take into consideration that his mom was a major league crack head as well as a black panther!
I agree with hadyn. 2pac was all attitude. His songs were all about how he's a 'thug' and he concentrated on all the negative things in his life. He was proud of being a poor black thug from the streets. This is why so many people connected with him
Eminem uses 2pac style of rapping. He concentrates on all the bad stuff - white, trailer trash etc, thats the reson so many people connect with Eminem.
They both use the negative to bring out positive. Im not comparing eminem to 2pac
Tupac also went to acting school when he lived in New York - so that poor ass thug from the street aint strictly 'real', he did dabble in a bit of crack dealing tho when he moved over to south central LA. His biggest crime in terms of getting love, was that he was New York born and bred, and basically traitored New York to move over to LA and represent the West Coast - and that made him a lot of enemies, a lot of enemies on NY streets and 'entertainers' like puff daddy and mobb deep
Biggy Smalls on the other hand is poverty made rich.....
No way man - Biggie went to a private school Have you ever seen Biggies mom. Shes like the sweetest lady. She is always saying how good life he had
Biggie was the kid in school with all the funcky stuff
2pac didnt go to some big acting school, he went to some cheap ass school. Both of Pac's parents were black panthers, mom was a crack head. He was the real thing man.
(I cant believe Im arguing over this again - spent 2 years at college fighting with mates over this
:D )
okay lets ignore the pub talk, but u sure ur not getting confused with sean 'puff daddy' combs's mom???puff daddy went to a top afro american college and is basically upper middle class as hell - he likes 2 act the part, but can very rarely back it up when the action hots up, hence the gun case when shyne started shooting for that idiot, and ending up doing time for puff ****sta
Im definately talking about Biggies mom - She trying to get all this justice for her son
I stopped really listening to music years ago. Sure I might download tunes and play em in the car. But never really sit down for long periods really LISTENING to music. The albums just dont seem as good
Some top albums from back in the dayz:
Doggy Stlye - Snoop Dog
The Chronic - Dr Dre
All Eyez on Me - 2pac
NWA - Straight outta compton
:D :D
ive got every album u mentioned there sunnyzx!!
also dont forget for the true old skool flavaz
Eric B and Rakim: Paid in Full
Public Enemy: It takes a nation of millions to hold us back
Ice Cube: Amerikkkas Most Wanted/Predator
Cypress Hill: Cypress Hill/Black Sunday
House Of Pain: House of Pain
Ice-T: O.G.
Run DMC: Greatest Hits 83-91
Beastie Boys: Check Yo Head/Ill Communication
and all that crazy real old skool bizness uve got on 12" Like:
Sugar Hill Gang: Rappers Delight
Afrika Bambaata: Planet Rock
West Street Mob: Electro Boogie
Grand Master Flash: The Message
and theres tons more too going off in my head, but its 12:39 am and my head hurts!!!
;)
Originally posted by hadyn
. Makavelli was an italian scholar and master of war who basically preached that to destroy your enemies and conqueor your world, the ultimate weapon in war and politics is to fake your own death, fool your enemies, dissapear and then come back and swiftly dispose of enemies in secret.
heh i would just like to say that Makavelli was no master of war at all, he was more a theorist, and particularly he wasnt a hard man by any means, more a coward with more bark than bite, its mostly hype that sees peoplle recognise him as some "i will kill before being killed" type of guy, he would say stuff, he wouldnt actually go out and kick ass, not a master at all IMO:|
i did say that m8 that he was an academic, he basically was a preacher rather than a practioner........
a bit like Tupac really!so u can see why he also used his name!all bark and no bite!!apart from sexual battery charges on women!!
"Kick in the door, waving the four four....alls i heard was 'papa dont hurt me no more'!!! "
gotta love biggy!
"........its all good - BAYBEE BAYBEE!!" :D
this smilie looks like Tupac in 94/95 Just after he'd been shot the first time and sent down for sexual battery - :finger:
a) don't you mean Machiavelli?
b) :confused:
c) I've never got hiphop or really rap. I mean, black music? F*** black music man. F*** white music. You ut a person open, you get a heart, a liver, a spleen. F*** what colour they are on the outside.
To me, hiphop has always been about "We're black, etc etc" and i'm sorry, that just don't conenct. people are people, ya know? Maybe I listening to the wrong shit, maybe I not listening right. But it just doesn't make that connection, and usually coz of the race angle. If that makes sense. I don't care if you're black, white, or any shade in between. You got something to say, I'll listen. if you only want to talk about ho's, money and being a thug, I'll pass - iget enough of that wandering around Crawley from the white kids who wish they were black. Why does colour matter -will someone please explain this to me?
its not about race, its just about listen to music for whats its saying - u been smoking some good chronic or something starionman, ma breadrin??! ;)
nope, the camels are locked in my desk @ work.
Maybe i jsut don't get it.
might just be, or maybe your just a player hater?!!! :D :p
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 01:34
been a hip hop head since i got my copy of all means necassary (BDP) back in 1988, well unless u count salt with a deadly pepa from 87:)
Biggie was a talented rhymer and was technically more skilled than tupac, but overall tupac did the better work,, until his mother ruined his name with the endless utterly poor music brought out since his death!
Biggies ready to die album is great when it came out and some of his earlier stuff was good too when he was known as Biggie smalls (party & bullsh*t rocks!!!) , but everything after ready to die is very inferior and it coincided with sean coombs getting too big for his boots.
I could rant about how hip hop died as a decent music back in about 1995, but i guess its just different now, and sadly on the whole lacks the realness of the early music, its all about the money they say they have and the flash cars, thats not what it used to be about!! but its a business now so they are appealing to the people who will buy the most ( Kids)
if u want to hear some of what hip hop really is, then look for stuff like BDP, EPMD, the roots, Public enemy, Pharcyde, Common, talib qweli, Gang starr. Organized Konfusion, thats real hip hop!!
US hip hop might be just chart music now, but its still real and still reletively underground over on this side of the pond, there is plenty of well skilled emcees, dj's. if u want te feeling of what real hip hops like done by people who love there music, then check out brits like Braintax, Aspects, Taskforce, Lewis Parker, Blak Twang, the legend Rodney P, Life, Skinnyman, Jehst, they all do real hip hop, most can relate to, not like nowdays american b*ll*cks, Ja Rule, 50 cent, lil kim, Canibus, etc etc etc, just quit and stop selling out yor music, bunch of talentless hip hop murderers, send um to the chair!!!:D
now thats my rant on the soapbox done for another day, need to get it out my system, it just winds me up when i remember how great it was! anyway, i still got it all on tape, cd, whatever so they cant take the good times away :)
yours faithfully
old timer B'boy ( or just an ageing one with rose tinted shades ):D
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 01:42
and starionman, i can appreciate why u say about it being black music and all that, and how u dont get it, but i think the sort of hip hop u would have likely hae heard would be the bullsh*t that ets on the radio or mtv, most ofit is bollocks, and not what hip hop is.
and the colour thing is no issue in this country, hip hop is predominatly white music here, u go to a hip hop nite at aclub here, and white is the majority by far, and many of our emcees, and almost all the dj's are white bys who just love there music.
And stateside whether people like the Source writers disagree or not, but the most talented rhymer of his generation is a white boy (eminem) he is creative, origina land a great story teller, all the stuff missing for so long over there, but unfortunately( wel not for his bank account ) he is all the kids favourite so he gets looked on as a chart rapper, its a shame
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 01:56
Hadyn,i am pretty sure tupac went to Oakland went he went west as i remember him in the late 80's up to 91, being one of Digital Undergrounds occasional emcee, and they were an Oakland group.
if u want to talk hear tupacs music, only 3 albums should be mentioned, 2pacolypse now, strictly for my N*ggas and me against the world, all down hill from there!
and good choice haydn, hip hop dont get no better than Paid in Full, an all time classic!!!!!
Oh the good ole days :D
But great music never grows old, and that never will
2pac was the man, biggie was......... ok
poof daddy, wat a w*nk, getting rich of biggies name, period!
Ill be missin u?? wayt a load of shit, should have been ill be gettin rich off ur name.
Dr.Dre still does it for me, though none of his recent stuff comes close to "the chronic" imo, its in me car just now, but then so is 2001.
ice cube, "today was a good day", class tune, and "u can do it" oh lovely vid of them all shakin there asses mmmmm... mmmmm yummy!
NWA, "automobile", and "she swallowed it" still make me laugh
oh and u gotta love a bit of LL cool J "doin it and doin it and doin it well"
Anyway, no-one has said whether they believe or disbelieve the 7 day theory.. its a bit far fetched really, but then i spose we will find out in septemer (i think)
best tunes for me were:-
hit em up
picture me rollin
i get around
gansta party
I aint mad at ya
straight ballin
Keep ya head up (with the outlaws)
Stairin at the world through my rearview (on top of phil collins "in the air tonight")
And the softer ones too actually
changes
till the end of time
unconditional love
And the tribute song by naughty by nature "mourn u till we join u" gives me shivers, as does "dear mama"
Anyone seen the clip of 2pacs version of the 1st shooting?
I got it from win mx as a dl of gansta party its got him walking in on biggie and poof daddy, its pretty funny actually, was haydens comment of "bayby bayby" that reminded me.
Kev
Yeah their is no doubt that 2pac and Biggie were great rappers but people bit them up all tha time cos their dead and just jump on the band waggon of the love dead musics club cos it's kool 2, it's tha same with Kurt Cobain, Bob Marley, Jim Morrison, etc which is a pitty really cos it makes hardcore fans that liked the music before they died go off the music cos little kids start listennin to it cos it's 'Kool'.
I gotta agree with Coley cos Rap is getting too commercial, kids walkin round singin Eminem, 50 Cent, Jay Z, Dre, etc sayin their into hip hop when they know jack about it, also like Coley said the true artists out their are people like EPMD, The Roots, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Gang Star (Guru), Jurassic 5.
Their are some good new tallent though, people like Philly's Most Wanted, Luda, Pharrell William (gold finger, everythin he touch turns to gold, lol).
lol, I'm shut up now.
out of the two..... tupac has always been my favourite, not just for his music or his acting, but also for his poetry....
And 2Morrow
Today is filled with anger
fueled with hidden hate
scared of being outcast
afraid of common fate
Today is built on tragedies
which no one wants 2 face
nightmares 2 humanities
and morally disgraced
Tonight is filled with rage
violence in the air
children bred with ruthlessness
because no one at home cares
Tonight I lay my head down
but the pressure never stops
knawing at my sanity
content when I am dropped
But 2morrow I c change
a chance 2 build a new
Built on spirit intent of Heart
and ideals
based on truth
and tomorrow I wake with second wind
and strong because of pride
2 know I fought with all my heart 2 keep my
dream alive
my favourite song has to be i ain't mad at cha....
and i have about 4 films with him in, unfortunately packed as we are tryin to sell our house....
this to me is the most powerful of his poetry:
In the Event of My Demise
In the event of my Demise
when my heart can beat no more
I Hope I Die For A Principle
or A Belief that I had Lived 4
I will die Before My Time
Because I feel the shadow's Depth
so much I wanted 2 accomplish
before I reached my Death
I have come 2 grips with the possibility
and wiped the last tear from My eyes
I Loved All who were Positive
In the event of my Demise
Rob wastegate
05-06-2003, 10:40
2pac "stricklyformyniggaz" album is the best work he ever did! if your into 2pac and not heard this albem, GET IT!!
but the best rappers are still Ice T, Ice cube and i have evey album even the hard to fine ones from way way back.
cant beat a bit of "keep your head up" can ya from "Strictly for my N.I.G.G.A.Z
The only hip hop tune that makes me play it over and over and over again like how i used to listen 2 rap records when i was a kid is DMX -"Ruff Ryders Anthem", i just cannot get enuff of this tune after all these years!! - the video has some crazy bike tricks in it to!!
Rob wastegate
05-06-2003, 10:42
for me the best is hollor if ya here me and the colaboration with ice cube and ice t
oh I just remembered one ogf Biggies best tunes 'One More Chance'
What a tune. Total class, so mellow and smooth. I used to listen to this over and over again whilst smoking :cool:
I think I lost all respect for Ice T after the film New Jack City :tosser: :tosser:
yea 'one more chance' so remorselessly ripped off by ashanti and those murder inc fools with 'foolish', that they had to do another mix that put biggies vocals BACK IN!!! Ja fool and faggot ass Murder Inc can all count their money in hell for all I care...
Rob wastegate
05-06-2003, 10:49
have you listened to icet's new albums since then? 7 deadly sins, home invasion etc?
"Stop, Drop...shut em down open up shop.....
" ohhh uhhh Thats how Ruff Ryders roll...."
"....oh nooo.....l'm a Ruff Ryder...wooooaahhh"
D*M*X :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Ja Rule stole his style, nuff said
home invasions ok.....like "99 problems" and "pimp behind the wheel", but 7 deadly sins is crap, pure OAP hip hop
if u want to hear some of what hip hop really is, then look for stuff like BDP, EPMD, the roots, Public enemy, Pharcyde, Common, talib qweli, Gang starr. Organized Konfusion, thats real hip hop!!
Pharcyde rate as one of the all time greats, EPMD, gangstar... all proper hip hop.
Lets also not forget some of the fathers of 'Gangster rap'.....
'NWA'
Straight outta Compton..... :finger: :mad: :finger: ;)
dont forget Gangstarr , Guru is the "monotone master""
Originally posted by hadyn
might just be, or maybe your just a player hater?!!! :D :p
I'm a what?
If it helps, I think sports uniforms look good on certain people :confused:
hadyn: Have you heard the reagge remix of ruff ryders ?
I used to have it in my car - sounds well good if you got decent I.C.E
'Nuff gal....
:D
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 11:04
straight outta compton still gets play in my ride :D true gangsta rap just like early ice T stuff, up to original gangster and the all time great geto boyz, so under rated as people only remember there ott stuff, but listen to six feet deep, damn it feels good to be a gangster, its great stuff scarface is a quality rapper!
I agree with some of the post, tupac was a very talented actor and poet, i always loved him back in the day but like people said, everyone suddenly likes them when there dead, just listen out for 13 year old kids playing run dmc now jmj is dead, but i suppose we all start somewhere and none of us knew all about hip hop when we started, i just hope they learn to appreciate it for being more than just another music. its modern poetry for normal people, a way to express yourself! thats why i think the new stuff mostly sucks, as its not lyric based, no meaning to any of it, just thumpin bass and all that, but each to there own i suppose:)
"You are now about to witness the power, of street knowledge...."
"When something happens in South Central Los Angeles happens, nothing happens.......it's just another nigga dead...."
N.W.A 1988
Mike_S13
05-06-2003, 11:10
Most of the 2pac stuff i've listened to is a bit too R&B for my liking.. too many tracks with R Kelly and the like :rolleyes:.
3 tunes I do like are California Love, Troublesome '96 and Hit 'em up :D
Biggie was brilliant though and 'Ready to Die' is a great album :)
Whilst whe're on the subject of B.I.G, does anyone know which music video had two kids dressed as him and puff daddy ( :finger: ) driving round in cars etc..? It's well funny :D
Here have a look at the video for
DMX - Ruff Ryders Anthem (http://www.zen15355.zen.co.uk/hadyn_vids/dmxruffrydersanthem.wmv)
i love the video for its simplicity and the amazing urban bike stunts on it!! well done fellaz!! :notworthy :notworthy
Ohh while we're on the subject...
can you explain why rappers refer to their followers as niggaz? (or the many alternate spellings). Judging by social hisotry, this is a word that causes a great deal of offence, so how come it has turned around to be something of pride?
ever heard of subversion ma nigga???!!
Its about taking the word back. For so long it was seen as derogitory term used by white people for blacks. Then the blacks took the word back - in the sense ' yes I am a n*gga and proud of it' BUT you can only use it if you black. Other wise its offensive.
People like J Lo have already made this mistake...
that's the route I was going down - just wanted to know if there was a slighty more interesting and original explanation.
btw I'm no-on'es nigga :) No-one owns me and I don't follow anyone :)
yup, but if u look at middle class white kids and 20 somethings they often call each other 'ma nigga' or 'nigga' probably thru listening 2 2 much westwood or tekkin the pizz
btw I'm no-on'es nigga No-one owns me and I don't follow anyone
Thats right! Starionman!! take a stand.... :rolleyes: :|
as Public Enemy said, "Fight the Power, You gotta fight the powers that be!!!"
Originally posted by John D
Thats right! Starionman!! take a stand.... :rolleyes: :|
Now now, be nice
I hate the way people portray people as wanna be's cos they listen to music, I'm me and no one else, I don't give a shite if I'm reincarnated as a black, white or blue person cos people are people and that's all that matters, their are bad white people as well as bad black people!!
On another matter Pharcyde are wicked!!!! Droooooooopppppppppppppppppppp!! :D I love the video with the beastie boys in the back ground :thumbs:
Originally posted by hadyn
yup, but if u look at middle class white kids and 20 somethings they often call each other 'ma nigga' or 'nigga' probably thru listening 2 2 much westwood or tekkin the pizz
I've liked hip hop/ rap/ r'n'b since i was about 10..... i have jodeci albums - bet none of ya's heard of them........ k ci and jo jo are from jodeci.....
i agree with the westwood comment, the music is great but he sounds so stupid. how can you respect someone who sounds like that.....
i had dr dre concrete roots album but i swapped it with my brother for 2 cd's, that fact that he "borrowed" it for a year before we swapped......
the tupac stuff that is too pop is the stuff that's been put together since his death. his mother is in charge of all his material and she's the one who has spliced his recording with songs, for example changes.......
i've got a tupac dvd, thug immortal, which is a doccumentary on his life.....
don't get me wrong, i like some b.i.g stuff, but you could argue that some of that is too pop as well.......
EDIT: OMG!.... I'm agreeing with haydn;)
i have jodeci albums - bet none of ya's heard of them........
:confused: LOL:D :D :rolleyes: LOL:D ;)
I've heard of Jodeci..... "Every freakin night and every freakin day I wanna freak you baby in every freakin way"..... ;)
Originally posted by Missy
i have jodeci albums - bet none of ya's heard of them........
Yep i have, did have one of theirs but lost it ages ago. My fav R&B artist is Jahiem as his sound is much better than that of R Kelly and other more 'mainstream' artists.
Its reported that 2pac has thousands of unreleased songs so his mother has lots of time to make some money of her sons name :mad: R U Still Down is where it all went wrong IMHO.
ive been into hip-hop since dr dre was dressing up as a woman in the world class wrecking crew(clue!)
Jahiem is good man!! but when it comes to R'N'B I like Boyz 2 Men, motown philly and Evolution are crackin albums!
ive got jodeci's "diary of a mad band" somewhere and "the show, the party, the aftershow" or summat like that 2 wiv "freak and u" on it......any1 remember genuwine "bachelor" from bout the same time in 95/96???
r. kelly is a paedophile, and if that aint bad enuff, he stole his style from aaaron hall!!! :mad:
Man I'm that old school when it comes to Hip Hop that I used to have a LA Raiders Jackets/Cap, Jerry curls and Ray Bans! :finger: :D :p
Originally posted by *DeathStar*
its comming up 6 years soon :(
Anyway getting back to the original point Biggy was shot 9th March 1997 so its more than 6 years already :rolleyes:
im that old skool, im dr dre when he was wearing womens clothes - way b4 jerry-curls, la raiders hats and ray-bans m8!!:p
Well I'm that old school hiop hop that was James Browns manager and co wrote "the message", oh and showed DJ Red Alert how to scratch! :D
well im that old skool im the kraftwerk records that all the harlem black kids were listening 2 in the 70s, and that afrika bambaata sampled to use in the ground breaking 'planet rock' - so there! :p
im that old skool im Tim Westwoods Minister dad in Kent!!
LMAO, I'm that old skool that I'm your moms!!!!!! oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo suppose thats a bit low, only messin dude :thumbs:
PhilMorrison
05-06-2003, 14:26
Don't really listen to much new HipHop now, still got favourites e.g. Pharcyde, De-La, Blackalicious, and for the moody cruise tunes, it's gotta be Master Ace, Sittin On Chrome.. I like some of the new stuff, like 'some' DMX tunes, 50 cent etc, but to be honest I feel I might be gettin a little old or something, as I read alot more racism into some artists stuff now.
i dunno i think hip hop was much more racist and reserved from non black people back in the early 90s when i was listening 2 it as a kid, perhaps it the fact that when ur a kid uve always got more of an open mind, or are less worldly wise to what your actually listening to.....
masta ace sitting on chrome, and jay z feat ugk big pimping(with the westwood intro) now thats the beats 2 cruise 2 like a dutty rock pimp!!
OH MY GOD, Sittin on chrome is the mintest album, nothin better than "I.N.C ride to cruise" 2, I ended up payin £20 for that album about 5 years ago cos it was an import :eek:
I don't know any system that can take the base from Born to Roll!!! thats the illest base line :thumbs:
oh yea the greatest rapper ever was Rakim in his prime(paid in full) in my mind
"speakin of a master plan" or was it "thinkin of a master plan" haven't listenned to paid in full for ages, yeah I know Eric B & Rakim were really good but I think their are better rappers out their i.e DJ Premier and Guru :rolleyes:
technically and in his intellectual delivery eminem is the best mc ever, but no-one got things going like rakim did back in the day, and the weird thing is, he shouldnt get u hyped up, his style is so firmly laid back as if he was talking to you slowly regardless of the tune behind him, but i suppose thats skills 4 ya, and thats wot a lot of dickheadz like Ja Rule havent got - MURRRDAAAAHH! = urgh! :eek:
Man Ja is a fool, when he dissed 50 cent, Eminem and Busta that was a bigggggggg mista cos their comeback totally shot him down! anyways what a geeky name is Jeffery Atkins, lmao, little biznitch :p
I have to agree with the Eminem thing cos he lyrics are very clever, just a pitty he's so popular and 14 year old kids like him :rolleyes:
If you wanna turn a party out well back in tha day Kid n Play were tha daddies :D
kid and play?the masters of the old skool flat top square afros?!!!the boys who used to specialise in their party moves of hooking each others feet around each other when they get on down?!!!lol - im so old skool i watched their cartoon series!!!as well as house party 1 2 and 3!!!!whos laughing now, muthahustla!!!
Phatty, ive been meaning to ask u for aaaaaages.
What is the tune on ur vid from months ago, "baby i like it"
Or more importantly whos is the tune?
was well chosen for the vid mate :notworthy
for the gettin down to it stuff, u gotta love boyz2men, LLcoolJ, usher and Next.
Used to like R Kelly, still like summer bunnies and a couple of others, but since i found out about him being a pheado:mad: :tosser: :tosser:
Anyone ever heard of tony rich project?
one hit wonder really i spose, but wat a tune "nobody knows"
Also great for getting down to.
oh and Missy, u can still get jodeci stuff from win-mx sometimes :thumbs:
U know there was a thread a little while ago about wat everyone had in there car, and im sure i was the only one who replied with some R+B stuff.
Kev
Haydn I'm that old skool that I remember those cartoons and also the MC Hammer ones!!!
Speakin of the House Party films "I'm gonna kick your fukinnnn aaasssssss" lmao, he was funny. :thumbs:
currently pumping this in my s14:
wayne wonder - no letting go
nerd - lap dance
dmx - x gonna give it 2 ya
ludacris - act a fool
public enemy - dont believe the hype
jay z ft pharrell - excuse me miss
snoop dogg ft pharell - beautiful
diplomats - dipset anthem
young guns - no. 1 stunna
nas - nas is like/get down
eminem - superman
and one of those r&b summer compilations that have just cum out ;)
how old r u paul?if ur the same age as me, ull remember shell toes then high top trainers, then starter hats, then timberlands and then the end of hip hop in 1995!
I'm 25 in a few months, 1994/5 was a great years for hip hop with Labcabincalifornia, Busta Rhymes etc but after that it started to get a little commercial with the likes of Coolio "gangsters paradise" :(
In my S14 I've got:
Ludacris - Back for the first time and 9 various other burnt Hip Hop CD's in my changer, Plus NERD minidisc, etc
dont forget the record that saved hip hop from the brink Wu-Tang Clan -Enter the Wu-Tang 36 Chambers
M.E.T.H.O.D Man, here I am, here I am the method man, lmao :thumbs:
when its time to get the girls stripping, this is what i put on:
Ludacris - whats your fantasy
Big Pun - dont wanna be a player
Beat Nuts - watch out now
Splat Pack - shake that ass bitch
khia - my neck my back(gotta be dirty)
truth hurts - addictive
ll cool j - doing it
2pac - how do you want it
faith evans - love like this before(crooklyn clan remix)
ice cube - put your back into it
ice-t 99 problems
jay z and mary j blige - cant knock the hustle
ginuwine - pony
juvenile - back that ass up
50 cent - baby get on your knees(the original that mariah carey shameless ripped off)
just put on some of those tunes, bound 2 get ur ho out of her clothes!!! ;) :D
ChrisGee
05-06-2003, 15:44
Just been reading thro most of this thread, and i agree with alot of what you guys are saying, especialy about young kids into eminem, and "oh we love rap" oh so u like nwa then..... "who?? "
Outta tupac and biggy.... well both where great, but i gotta say i like tupac more, hes alot more consistant. I think the one thing that started the east cost west cost stuff was puff daddy, stired it up for both sides and only he was the winner, (not that he prob cares).
I 1st got into rap and hip-hop in the mid 90's along with my bro, matt, as we got into playing bball. Started into old school, with jungle bro's, daisy age with de la soul, Q-tip, a tribe called quest, Grand master flash and the beasties to name but a few.
Then started liking more rap with NWA, ice cube, tupac, busta and DMX. Along with mos def, J5, the freestylers, rahzel etc...
Love DMX think he one of the best rappers around, i got every album and almost every single hes ever done :D
Eminem, well hes good, but i think his stuff gets played to death too much now, i like his original tracks more, especialy off his album infinate.
D12 and 50 cent..... dont really do it for me, only thing im waiting for his the new DMX album :thumbs: and the last ever de la soul one :cry:
Chris_Gee
Yup agree with all that Chris, I've been playin bball since I was about 12 so hip hop and bball go hand in hand, nothin better than playin outdoors in the sun with some sweet beats gettin you hyped up. I'm not the biggest fan of DMX, don't get me wrong I like him but sometimes all that barkin like a dog p1sses me off :rolleyes:
I will miss De La truely cos Plug 1 and J Dove can rhyme, especially on tha Stakes is high CD :)
i like to watch football and get drunk, so i smash the stereotype of your usual hip-hop fan really
LMAO that as well :D :notworthy
jesus christ!! :eek: ive just had a flashback and im remembering the mc hammer cartoon with his talking shoes!! :eek: :eek: :D
Originally posted by hadyn
when its time to get the girls stripping, this is what i put on:
Ludacris - whats your fantasy
Big Pun - dont wanna be a player
Beat Nuts - watch out now
Splat Pack - shake that ass bitch
khia - my neck my back(gotta be dirty)
truth hurts - addictive
ll cool j - doing it
2pac - how do you want it
faith evans - love like this before(crooklyn clan remix)
ice cube - put your back into it
ice-t 99 problems
jay z and mary j blige - cant knock the hustle
ginuwine - pony
juvenile - back that ass up
50 cent - baby get on your knees(the original that mariah carey shameless ripped off)
just put on some of those tunes, bound 2 get ur ho out of her clothes!!! ;) :D
Nah mate all you need is a Jon B album :thumbs:
With regards to De La, 3 feet high and rising is just such an immense album, 'jennifer oh jenny' :thumbs: :notworthy
Originally posted by Kev
oh and Missy, u can still get jodeci stuff from win-mx sometimes :thumbs:
Kev [/B]
kev i have
the show, the after party, the hotel album
diary of a mad band album
and forever my lady album
plus about 3 jodeci singles and 4 k ci and jojo singles
oh and i have usher's myway album and his latest 8701, which i saw him in concert last march:)
i can't list all the r'n'b or hip hop albums i have as they are packed, ready for us to sell the house
chris
i have been into basketball since i was about 14, and on my 16th birthday(long time ago i know)... i saw the london towers play at wembly....... in october next year, i'm going over to america to be a bridesmaid at a wedding and whilst i'm there i'm going to see the indiana pacers play :).......
i don't follow it as much these days, but i used to follow the bulls big time, with dennis rodman, scottie pippen and michael jorden:notworthy: .......... those were the days!........ and i used to play, defense
anyway, simon's on his way back and then we're gone for the week, catcha all later:thumbs:
make sure u lot check the DMX vid thats linked a bit further up this thread - for a dose of 'real' hip hop and some amazing bike stunts!!
i think jon b works in my local kebab shop nowadays, mark.....and hes still got that dodgy beard!
Originally posted by Nismo Mark
Nah mate all you need is a Jon B album :thumbs:
With regards to De La, 3 feet high and rising is just such an immense album, 'jennifer oh jenny' :thumbs: :notworthy
ice cube - you can do it put your back in to it
montel jordan - you know wussup
any song from the show, afterparty and hotel album by jodeci
and azyet - last night
to name but a few
I think we can safely say that most of the people in this thread love the same sort of music :thumbs:
Man I love Montell Jordan, i remember when I bought this is how we do it his first album back in 95, that brings back so many memories ;)
Originally posted by Paul C
Man I love Montell Jordan, i remember when I bought this is how we do it his first album back in 95, that brings back so many memories ;)
i second that, forgot all about MJ :notworthy and lets not forget Blackstreet :thumbs:
spot of back in the day "booty call" from blackstreet?
Mike_S13
05-06-2003, 16:48
Originally posted by Kev
Phatty, ive been meaning to ask u for aaaaaages.
What is the tune on ur vid from months ago, "baby i like it"
Or more importantly whos is the tune?
was well chosen for the vid mate :notworthy
I'm pretty sure thats the Wu Tang Clan.......?
Edit:
Ah no, just Old Dirty Bastard on his own
Baby I like it raw :)
Listen To the start of Nasty Boy
classic :D
old dirty bastard's "brooklyn zoo" is much better than "oooo baby i like it raw" - thats definately a tune 2 get u pumped up 2!! :p
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 17:17
Originally posted by hadyn
r. kelly is a paedophile, and if that aint bad enuff, he stole his style from aaaron hall!!! :mad:
well said haydn!!! Aaron is the man, Guy been doing it since way back at least 86'. And missy I know Jodeci, The were the original prodigies of the great Teddy Riley of Guy fame! way before blackstreet, part 1 and there re-incarnation.:D
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 17:28
Its cool to see alot of people on this board do have good taste ;)
Before when i saw the threads for what people had in the car to listen to i thought i was the only proper Hip Hop fan on here, but glad to see i am not! lots of good tunes getting talked about, but has anyone mentioned proberly the greatest piece hip hop ever recorded which was at least 5 years before its time and is still one of the freshest songs 10 years after its release (well except for its title which dates it) SOULS OF MISCHIEF 93' TIL INFINITY!!. rhyming which at that time was the most flowing smooth and technical style which had never been heard before, well in my humble opinion anyway :D
oh my god!! souls of mischief 93 till infinity!! ive got the album on LP!!!! That tune is beautiful man "This is how we chill from 93....till..." god its like being hypnotised or something........gotta love oakland!
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 17:48
you got great taste haydn, and i agree its hypnotising, i made a various up of all my fav tunes from back when i lived for this stuff, the list goes:
Sucker MC's - Run DMC
Mad IZM - KRS-1 feat Channel Live
Love comes and goes - Ed OG and the Bulldogs
Mind playin tricks on ya- Geto Boyz
The Choice is Yours - Black Sheep
Down with the King - Run DMC
93' til Infinity - Souls of Mischief
6ft Deep - Geto Boyz
The Bridge - MC Shan ....... told u i was an old time Bboy :D
The Bridge is over - Boogie Down Productions... Sorry shan KRS killed it :D one of the first great dis song
U be Illin' - Run DMC
MIC Checka - Das EFX
Damn it feels good to be a gangster - Geto Boyz
My Philosophy - Boogie Down Productions
Boomin' system - LL Cool J
UTFO - Roxanne
Does it get much better than that, i am getting a tear in my eye
:)
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 17:54
Originally posted by hadyn
gotta love oakland!
Have we even gotta love Too Short!!!!:D he is the funniest, blessed with minimal skills but he knocked out at least 10 albums and most went platinum, so u gotta give props for perseverance! my mate used to love him pumpin his pimp tunes out of his car, he was mad about the stuff, and to quote the man himself the dirtiest mind in hip hop -
She asked me why... i let the answer shoot straight in her eye!!!! oh he was such a ladies man
YES, thread is bringin out some of the greatest rappers, nice to see some of the old which I listen to a lot :D
Dunno if anyone has heard an album by Main Source called Breaking Atoms but that it an amazing album, I tried to buy it last time I was in NYC but the guys said they don't make it any more and I can only get it on 12" on Ebay, it was funny cos I went to this black guy in HMV on 42nd and when I asked if they had Breaking Atoms the guy looks shocked like "how does this white english guy know about Main Source", lol, you could see he respected me for know about it :D, it felt good :thumbs:
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 17:59
yeh Paul i only really play the old stuff, and maybe some new albums from the old names, plus a fair bit of uk hip hop, as its still real, not money oriantated
MattyGee
05-06-2003, 18:27
i only just got home from work and checked out this thread, damn ive missed out on loads.
like chris said, ive been a big hip-hop fan from back when i was about 10, then got into Ballin' in the early 90's when i was 12 or 13. old skool hip-hop such as de la soul, the chronic, NWA, warren G, coolio, mos def, common, LL' Onyx, old Nas and ice cube are like the sound track to my life as i know it, all that old Tommy Boy records stuff like stetsasonic :thumbs:
right now im into DMX, Wu-tang (altho i think they fell off a little lately) Jurassic 5, Slum Village, etc.
im also surprised there are so many like-mided hip-hop heads on the BB, we will all have to hook up at Billing and rally our Sx's for a fully Bling Bling Billing experience :D lol
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 18:30
when i was in NYC over new year, when we were in the crowd at times square, we were stood with some kids from brooklyn, some white some black, they were freestyling, and sorry lads but u were sh*t, makes me wonder if they are much different from kids over here. i could do it better than them, and know lots of quality rhymers all white kids from the west country with alot more skills than these supposed real brooklyn bboys:)
MattyGee
05-06-2003, 18:32
oh yeah, currently bumping in my Sx :
Nas - Illmatic
J5 - Quality Control
J88 - Best Kept Secret
Maxwell - Now
Rakim - The Master
Ice Cube - War + Peace the War Disc
:)
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 18:35
matty i was into my ballin, still am as much as i get chance to nowdays, being 5'9 stocky and white, my skills are well hidden :D
i was point guard for my school, college, and warmed abench at county level :) i was a right tim hardaway wannabe!!
DAS EFX - 'Mic Checka'!! jesus remember when all that iggy biggy boodaa wooda stuff they was rhyming on the mic was 'going to change the face of hip-hop' back in 92???how things(and blings) have changed!! :wave:
mattygee why dont u come to the midlands car performance meet in derby on sunday??a meet thats acutally in the midlands for a change!!!!have a look in the midlands thread m8!lets get the bling on the go there!!we got a fair load of s14s going too! :D
im 6'4 and look like an un-fit heavyweight boxer
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 18:39
:D das efx were great when they came out, Dead serious is a great album, but yeh, it kinda died a death didnt it :) oh and they ripped there style from the old british group the demon boyz, but whether they ever actully heard them i dont know but they did there share of the biggady wigggady back in late eighties!
i am just glad flavour in ya ear - Craig Mack didnt change hip hop, probably my most despised hip hop track of all time!!!
im kick-in....brand new....flavour.....in your....ear!!
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 18:40
Originally posted by hadyn
im 6'4 and look like an un-fit heavyweight boxer
i am 5'9 and weighed as much as a heavyweight boxer!!!!! until the wonders of Dr Atkins :)
MattyGee
05-06-2003, 18:41
Originally posted by aka-coley
matty i was into my ballin, still am as much as i get chance to nowdays, being 5'9 stocky and white, my skills are well hidden :D
i was point guard for my school, college, and warmed abench at county level :) i was a right tim hardaway wannabe!!
i was a skinny lanky centre (cos i was the tallest) :D
in the style of the suger hill gang , "im 6 foot 1 and im tons of fun and i dress to a tee.." :D lol
i love ballin' more than almost anything, i dont get chance to play much at the moment (too much college work) but i finish college in a month so im gonna be hitting the courts with my rusty Dr J skills :thumbs:
MattyGee
05-06-2003, 18:42
Originally posted by hadyn
im kick-in....brand new....flavour.....in your....ear!!
craig mack, 1000 degrees, youll be on your knees , and youll be burnin, beggin' , please !
choice track hadyn mate :thumbs:
aaaaaaaaaaaaa yea matty, but do you have a criss pair of mk1 air jordans like i do??(still in the box too!)from 92/93!
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 18:42
Originally posted by hadyn
im kick-in....brand new....flavour.....in your....ear!!
aaarrrrggghhhh please stop the torture..... did u say it in a right dumb c*nt mongo voice like Craig Mack had :D makes erick sermon sound like a genius!!! well i knwo he is but u woudlnt guess it from his voice!
bad....boy....come....out.....and....play - you know we hadda do a remix, right?
dont talk 2 me about EPMD headbanger, mate!!
MattyGee
05-06-2003, 18:44
Originally posted by hadyn
aaaaaaaaaaaaa yea matty, but do you have a criss pair of mk1 air jordans like i do??(still in the box too!)from 92/93!
mate ive got some mint jordan 13's in bulls red and black and a pair of KB8 2's that i kick it on the court in.
"i wish i was a little bit taller, i wish i was a baller..."
****in ell, one, two, one, two whats up with the timboz on ur toes??
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 18:45
mk1 air jordans are from about 1986 haydn, i was in 2 minds whether to get a pair when in the states as retro is big again there as i couldnt ever afford jordans back when i were a lad :) but i went for the British Knights snakeskin trainers instead :D oooo i always wanted them, now i got them 13 years later!!!
MattyGee
05-06-2003, 18:46
i couldnt afford jordans until i left school, i was well poor, a proper ghetto kid :(
well more like my mum and dad just said no anyway , lol :D
aaaaa u scrubba flexin BK's instead of air-jordans!!!my first pair of basketball trainers were nike air-force ones with the blocked out air heel back in 1989/90, and i got the air jordans officially in the uk in 92/93 never really wore em cuz i preferred the old nike air max mk1s
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 18:48
cheeky!!! mine arent basketball shoes just funky ones :D u got a piece of history with those jordans mate, i love the first 3 oairs thatcame out, but alas i was a pauper too
MattyGee
05-06-2003, 18:48
my first ones were nike air max flights, black and purple with silver lining, ahh i loved them kicks :cool:
other than that i had some random reeboks and some random white adidas boots too until i could afford proper baller boots
big daddy kane - aint no half steppin has just come on winamp!!
and cuz i was into hip-hop i always had a pair of adidas superstars with the shell toes and big phat dutty laces - everyone took the piss until brit pop kicked in and sell out indie kids started flexing trainers, and then the whole trainer retro thing kicked in the late 90s
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 18:50
can u remember the prince of darkness album by BDK??? my mate asked me to search for it on the net as he wants it on cd but cant find it anywhere, can find loads of his others but not that one
MattyGee
05-06-2003, 18:51
have either of you guys heard anything by Ultra (Kool Keith from Ultramagnetic MC's and Tim Dog) ?
they are quality East coast rhymers :thumbs:
and oh yea, i had a khaki pair and a black pair of caterpillar boots with my jeans tucked into em like a real NY B-Boy, cuz i cudnt afford real Timberlands in the early 90s!! :eek:
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 18:53
TIIIMM DAAAWWWGGG he was one powerful rhymer, scared me just listening to him :) ultramags were great, very orignal in there time
Tim Dog - "Fcuk Compton"????
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 18:55
Originally posted by hadyn
and oh yea, i had a khaki pair and a black pair of caterpillar boots with my jeans tucked into em like a real NY B-Boy, cuz i cudnt afford real Timberlands in the early 90s!! :eek:
lol this is like de ja vu or however u spell it!!! but i still cant afford timberlands !!! been trying to get them free thru work as my boots are wearing out, but they aint having any of it :)
I suppose your old skool memory is so good that you remember when puffa jackets were a hip-hop artifact, worn by true b-bwoys before they got turned into scrubba wear in 97/98
i feel the funk coming on....i feel zapp and roger - "more bounce to the ounce!", god bless roger trautman!!
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 18:59
i was more the american goose jacket type person, raiders, bulls, edmonton oilers, had them all at some point! i am a big raiders fan have been since 84' when i saw my first game, but i cant even where raiders gear without looking like a reject from an old NWA video nowdays :)
i was chicago bulls thru and thru, shorts, vests hats and big phat starter jackets.
my fave jacket ever was big padded red starter jacket with a small bulls logo on the front, and huge jersey writing 'BULLS' on the back like wot they've got printed on their vests
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:01
computer love, so ruff so tuff, do it roger, slow and easy, wow they are so funky. didnt zapp kill roger then kill himself or something like that??
dunno,but im presuming you've seen Menace II Society?? That scene when it cuts straight to his big phat dutty rims on his mustang just after hes robbed em,checking punani as Zapp and Roger Computer Love comes on is an amazing piece of cinematography in my mind m8! :notworthy
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:03
around somewhere i still got my bulls goose, with the small logo on front and a big bull head logo on the back :D still dont know what i was thinking when i got the blue and orange edmonton oilers one!!! still it was original
starter always made the phattest jackets, and if u was rocking starter no-one would try and rob u, cuz they knew it was so big u was probably heavily armed under it!!
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:05
yeh its the scene that first introduced me to xapp and roger, when he is rolling on daytones or whatever they are call on his mustang, just before impregnating a little skank :)
these strippa hoes who just shake their asses to any old hip hop joint nowadays just dont know the roots of the music and what its all about do they??? :cry:
MattyGee
05-06-2003, 19:06
i used to have LA LAkers jackets (the ones with the white arms and black front and back) when i was at school, i know what you mean about looking like an NWA reject :D lol
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:06
i could have had a bazooka under mine!!! i wasnt the biggest youth back then and they always sold out of my size so had to go one bigger :)
i got menace ii society as pride of place in my dvd collection!
and i hope none of you committed the deadly sin when flexxing on the street:
mixing team-wear!!
e.g chicago bulls hat, raiders jacket!!
bound 2 look like a scrubba!
i used to be a whitesox hoody and whitesox hat man meself!
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:08
Originally posted by hadyn
these strippa hoes who just shake their asses to any old hip hop joint nowadays just dont know the roots of the music and what its all about do they??? :cry:
you need to know you past to know your present and therefore the future!!!
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:10
i only tried to stick with same team gear, unless it ws acolour match and then i got away with it :) my bulls jacket with my georgia dawgs hat, black and red, it worked :D i had a white sox vest with sox hat, probably 2 of my fave items from my old wardrobe
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:11
worst insult i heard was when me and a mate we in out american sportswear gear, down in devon and we were chatting to these girls and the one said u 2 look just like east 17!!!!!! scary thing was she meant it as a compliment lol
east 17, the stereotype all white hip hoppers fought to avoid!!
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:14
Originally posted by hadyn
east 17, the stereotype all white hip hoppers fought to avoid!!
well it did hurt our bboy feelings, but needless to say that night she got sand in a very uncomfortable place!! well if she likes east 17 who were we to not oblige with a making them happy girls :D
MattyGee
05-06-2003, 19:15
just thought of the best Tupac tune ever (IMO)
Tupac - Pain (From the "Above The Rim" soundtrack)
its one of the best tracks ever IMHO :notworthy :thumbs:
its obvious then that the 200 s14 is linked primarily to our tastes in music and culture, the styling and power must have a subconcious link somewhere to our masculinty and all that psychological/pathological crap! ;)
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:18
Originally posted by hadyn
its obvious then that the 200 s14 is linked primarily to our tastes in music and culture, the styling and power must have a subconcious link somewhere to our masculinty and all that psychological/pathological crap! ;)
i am an S13 boy !!! do i still count as having good taste?? lol
NO!, go and listen to german hip hop like die fantischen vier or summat as shite as that mate! ;)
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:20
Originally posted by hadyn
NO!, go and listen to german hip hop like die fantischen vier or summat as shite as that mate! ;)
well just like my opinions on hip hop, the old stuff is the best, the new stuff is just bollocks for wannabes!!!:p
not all of the new stuff is crap m8, stop being an old man!!! :p, its just evolving thats all, the same way that in the longer term picture, hip hop evolved from rock and roll
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:25
i know some of the new stuff is good, it was just a return dig at your choice of motor :D the roots still bringing out good stuff, so are gangstarr, common, talib qweli, just think not many new artists coming out which i am that keen on, but thats pretty much down to the labels more than anything, pushing the more commercial easier to seel stuff, its a business
"if your focused man, would you please rock with it if over-stand...ooooooh"
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:28
and i have an S13 as i cant afford an S14 :) but then again if i had 10 grand i would have an rx7
Originally posted by Haydn
ma breadrin ?
Haydn,
If you want to try and talk black, at least get it right..
its spelt BREDRIN, or in some cases BREDREN..
its a derivative of the old word Brethren, meaning brother.
Hence many black men calling each other Bredrin as it means brother.
Plus, being from London myself, im pretty sure this is a London term.
So seeing as it has spread to the west midlands, i suggest you be the first to spread the correct version
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:36
Doug, i think haydn was just having a laugh with the words, and i dont think a spelling error is really worth the dig u are giving him, oh and he is 6'4 and built like a heavyweight :D
i spelt it how ur pronounce it in the west midlands, eg breadrin....i know it comes from brethren, and that it has been evolved by jamaican spoken language(commonly known as 'yard-speak')...its just like spelling 'sucker' - 'sucka' 'arse' - 'azz', 'nigga' instead of 'negro' i could go on all day quoting stuff that is chopped and changed in post-modern written language, but i wont.......! ;)
WHAT UP DOUG, MA BREAD-RIN!!!! WHAT UP CUZ!!! U IZ DA BLOOD INNIT?!!
Joe Buddens - "Focus" is one of the phattest new skool hip hop singles ive heard in the last 8 months by the way lads, get it now!! :cool:
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:38
and whats being from london got to do with how a english/jamaican talks?? i would understand if u were from kingston, jamaica.. we do have black people out here to u know mate
Ice Cube War and Peace vol 1 is awesome :D
Also like DMX, Ice T and Raekwon.
Peace out ;)
has the world become so stifled and soulless that you cant even play with words anymore, not even on the internet!!!! free your mind, and all that!!
Is anyone goingt to see Eminem at Milton Keynes?
doug can i hire some of ur strippaz who pose as models????
eminem's uk dates sold out in like 20 seconds flat didnt they?
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:41
i heard that joe buddens tune yeh was pretty good, might have to re think my opinions about new artist!!... nah i wont bother i like to be a whinging old man (27) sometimes :D
Tickets going on ebay for £40, only a tenner more than they were anyway, I'm going up on the Sunday :cool:
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:42
yep they all sold out pretty quickly, he will have his choice of 14 year old girls who will make up a hell of alot of the crowd :)
aka-coley
05-06-2003, 19:43
nice one vega, sureit will be a good night, he is bound to put on one hell of a show!!
its got like obie trice, d12 and 50 cent on the bill aint it???if they manage to perform longer than 20 minutes a piece(hip hop live shows r notorious for being crap)it will be like a mini hip hop festival!! :D
Originally posted by hadyn
doug can i hire some of ur strippaz who pose as models????
Hadyn i made a correction to your "lingo", and you cuss me directly ? what the **** is all that about..
How about you come to London one day and you can meet some of my Bredrins ?
Jesus
EDIT: to say there are enough people on here that think you are a *****, and you just found another... dont you ****ing cuss me
I've seen Eminem and D12 at Reading before, he is a really good performer :)
so whos got a problem with me then doug????looks like you obviously have.....im not getting drawn into this again, as this thread is not about slagging people off, so just leave it, talk about the hip hop. But if you have got a problem with me, please name yourself and be man enough to label your accusations at me rather than sniping around in secrecy....nuff said, and please move on!!!!
ChrisGee
05-06-2003, 21:06
I got into playing BBall in school, mainly as a forward on D, even got onto the school team :D
But recently aint had much time to play, really wanna get into it again.
BBall shoes i got: Gary Payton 1's, 2's and the newest 3's
Im a GP fan, and a sonics fan, we suck and i know :D one day i hope to go see them play!
Reading this thread just shows me how small my cd collection is, and how much bigger it need to become!
Chris_Gee
aint like sprewell trainers like really massive in the US at the mo m8??havent actually seen em, just heard about em on loadsa rap records!
ChrisGee
05-06-2003, 22:04
Yeah, dunno why they aint that nice....
MY GP3's are the coolest thing ever tho, ill have to get matt to bring us along to the meet this sunday and ill show u them :D (ive only ever used them like 5 times)
Chris_Gee
so your coming to derby then on sunday chris??im really looking forward to it
But if you have got a problem with me, please name yourself
ok my name is Doug, that was hard.
and be man enough to label your accusations at me rather than sniping around in secrecy
And i think YOU are a ***** for cussing me.. no secrets there.
We're finished.
Hip Hop is the greatest... Wu Tang Clan, (the greatest MC's ever)
and Ruff Ryders...
East Coast for me all the way
R.I.P Aaliyah
thejames
06-06-2003, 00:48
Originally posted by hadyn
doug can i hire some of ur strippaz who pose as models????
You not getting any, Hadyn? :p
Perhaps you resent the fact that, as well as being beautiful, they earn more money as models in a week, than you could in a year?
Perhaps you resent the fact that Doug is director of his own company?
Yep.
True dat. True dat. :)
fanks 4 dat vote ov suport James me breadrin, dat iz wel safe ov U
keep it real ez now rude-a-boy now.
Skeen
thejames
06-06-2003, 00:53
Irie. ;) Peace Out.
Big up the Doggy Dogg. And Eminem for being the most consistently talented rapper (well, lyricist) there ever was. :D
i love strippaz!tell me someone who dont?!! ;)
its all u surrey breadrins clubbin together innit?aaaiiiiiiiiiiiiii geeeeezas?!!! ;) :D
and not all strippaz are beautiful, and not all strippaz have skills - basically if they cant go down a pole upside down legs apart, then they aint worth their salt!
oh god!im 8 pints later gone, and ive just realised you were talking bout models earning loads, not strippas!! forgive my ignorance surrey mafia! ;)
************NOW GET BACK 2 THE HIP HOP!!!************
thejames
06-06-2003, 01:06
Originally posted by hadyn
oh god!...
PLEASE, call me James like everyone else...
thejames
06-06-2003, 01:09
Originally posted by hadyn
and not all strippaz are beautiful, and not all strippaz have skills - basically if they cant go down a pole upside down legs apart, then they aint worth their salt!
Who said all "strippaz" were beautiful? :confused:
I said models. And being models, they generally are beautiful... Comes in the job description. (Job description - You know the little cards you read at the job centre...)
Oh, and is it really 8 pints? Or just 2 lager tops..? ;)
Doug that was a bit ott mate, ill not have that on here.
Ur all getting one warning boys.
PLAY NICE!!!!
That means all of u!
Hayden u have a talent for pissing people off, and i dont even think u realise.
Be aware, U are being watched!
Kev
People refer to 'Hip Hop' but I think they mean rap because 'Hip Hop' consists of 5 elements: MCin, DJin, BBoyin, Graffiti, Beatboxin, a lotta people get Hip Hop and Rap confused cos Hip Hop is more of a lifestyle rather than just Music (as Busta Rhymes said) ;)
**edit by Kev**
Hayden, ill not say it again, u have been warned.
As far as im concerned it was u who started this with ur arrogent replies again.
whereas ive never b4 this thread seen inflamatory replies from doug, it seems to be second nature to u.
stick to the thread subject not abusing other members.
*************************************
it was seeing a load of break dancers burning up the lino to RUN DMC when i was about 4 or 5 at my local primary school that really got me into hip-hop, it was a case of "what the hell is that?i really like it!", and from then on in its always been about the hip-hop. I graff, but i cant breakdance, and i only mc when im severely drunk :eek: ;)
ChrisGee
06-06-2003, 09:08
Originally posted by Paul C
People refer to 'Hip Hop' but I think they mean rap because 'Hip Hop' consists of 5 elements: MCin, DJin, BBoyin, Graffiti, Beatboxin, a lotta people get Hip Hop and Rap confused cos Hip Hop is more of a lifestyle rather than just Music (as Busta Rhymes said) ;)
So true, when i 1st got into it i had great difficulty in determining between them, still do some times, mainly when u think its one thing then some1 says its the other. In the end it dont matter (no not like linkin park) its all good music and thats what counts.
hadyn: dunno if i can get to sunday's meet, matts sticking fats to "i need to to college work" and i gotta get my civic ready for spraying... maybe next time :)
Chris_Gee
Ignore what bullsh*t? :confused:
the dissing,sniping and general funiness that has gone on in parts in this thread
just been blasting the winamp and Nas "Hate Me Now" came on as well as Big Pun "Dont Wanna be a Player"
Check the apt words!!:
Nas : "Cuz u hate me now, but i wont stop now, cuz i cant stop now, u should hate me now, but i wont stop now, cuz i cant stop now, u can hate me nooow!!!"
Big Pun: "Im still not a player, but you're still a hater!"
"I aint a player, but I fcuk a lot!"
CANT STAND PLAYER HATERS 2003!!! ;) :D
:D :D :D :D :D :D
Kev - listen to Public Enemy "Shut Em Down" Im sure that'll remind u of me m8!! ;) :p
montel jordan - you know wussup
just looking back at this thread and a glaring error came up!!
"You Know Whats Up" was by Donell Jones, not Montell Jordan
Sorry 4 correcting ya Missy! ;) :thumbs:
:wack:
heres evidence that Eminem and Dr. Dre are more than 'just good friends'....
http://www.zen15355.zen.co.uk/hadyn_vids/gayboys.jpg
:D :wack: :D :wack:
and this is what your average 200SX owning b-boy/hip-hop head looks like:
http://www.zen15355.zen.co.uk/hadyn_vids/bboyz.jpg
:p :p :D :D :wack: :wack: :thumbs:
Originally posted by aka-coley
if u want to hear some of what hip hop really is, then look for stuff like BDP, EPMD, the roots, Public enemy, Pharcyde, Common, talib qweli, Gang starr. Organized Konfusion, thats real hip hop!!
US hip hop might be just chart music now, but its still real and still reletively underground over on this side of the pond, there is plenty of well skilled emcees, dj's. if u want te feeling of what real hip hops like done by people who love there music, then check out brits like Braintax, Aspects, Taskforce, Lewis Parker, Blak Twang, the legend Rodney P, Life, Skinnyman, Jehst, they all do real hip hop, most can relate to, not like nowdays american b*ll*cks, Ja Rule, 50 cent, lil kim, Canibus, etc etc etc, just quit and stop selling out yor music, bunch of talentless hip hop murderers, send um to the chair!!!:D
Couldn't have said it better myself :)
Originally posted by hadyn
not all of the new stuff is crap m8, stop being an old man!!! :p, its just evolving thats all, the same way that in the longer term picture, hip hop evolved from rock and roll
:confused: :confused:
Hip Hop was invented by Cool Herc, Afrika Bambaata etc in New York in the late '70's. It took its influences from many musical styles because the DJ's were always in competition to find the most obscure records to play, including a version of a Shadows track made by an obscure Latin American group.
Perhaps you are thinking of Walk This Way by Run DMC and Aerosmith, which was an Aerosmith track originally.
And who can forget possibly the greatest track of all time "La Di Da Di" by Doug Fresh with Slick Rick on the rap.
no my point is that rock and roll was once a black music form from the south of america(aka the "dirty south"!), that was ripped off and sold to the masses as a white medium thru people such as elvis, the same thing happened to jazz, changing from urban street music to eventually evolve into the bland soulless middle aged, middle class fat white mans music it is 2day, the same thing is happening to hip hop as it loses touch with its roots in the streets and is rapidly becoming the accepeted sound of now materialistically, corparately and artistically - parallels between elvis and eminem perhaps??? :eek:
Yes I see, you meant to say rap is evolving like rock and roll, and you're right.
Rap has certainly become a lot more comercial lately to the point where people can't release a record without a rapper on there. Step forward J-Lo, Christina Agorrilla, Maria Carey, Janet Jackson, Beyonce Knowles, Kelly Rowland, the list goes on. You could be forgiven for thinking Ja-Rule had never released a record on his own. Er, come to think of it, has he??? And WTF Busta Rhymes? :rolleyes: bloody hell man what are you doing?
aka-coley
09-06-2003, 00:07
thats my opinion too wak, i know i sound old when i talk of the good ole days, but i liked hip hop as the music that was definately underground, that i had to search to find the new record, and not look in the top ten albums in virgin or hmv!!
when the subject matter was more than just talking abut there cars ( which they hire and dont own, as if they are driving bentleys after releasing there first album!!) and talking of the same old bollocks. there are still great stuff coming ou but its few and far between, hence why i like alot of the UK stuff as it is still a select music with only a small following so it still has realness.
listen to common sense, I used to love H.E.R its a love song to his life time love who has sold her body to the masses, and his love is hip hop
aka-coley
09-06-2003, 00:09
i guess as a teenager early twenties i felt a bit special being one of the few who knew the music and apreciated it. and to see kids listening to it nowdays without really caring, just because it fashionable takes the edge of what it used to be
i just remember back in the day, wearing all my hip hop stuff, caterpillars tucked into your baggy jeans, fitted cap and puffa jacket, that people literally used 2 cross the road when u came down the street - its all changed now as every white kid off the estate basically looks like that rocking moschino jeans etc etc. On the flip-side tho, it is nice 2 actually be able to hear hip-hop when u go out in clubs/bars etc, cuz as all hip-hop heads know, back in the day there was no recognition, no radio play, and u wudnt hear it in any club apart from a specialist night!Its nice when u just forget about the politics and feel the music 2 see top-shopped up hoes and strippaz getting down 2 the hip hop and shaking their azzes in a communal vibe nowadays, cuz i remember in like 93/94 i could have never imagined anyone let alone a top-shopped up female getting on down 2 anything remotely hip hop!! :p
aka-coley
09-06-2003, 00:27
dont get me wrong haydn, in a club i love to hear the hip hop, coudlnt care less if its from those artists i been slagging off, as thats where that stuff belongs, as its just a funky music to get down to. i would much rather hear all that and a bit of garage than sh*te dance music, infact last nite i was out getting my groove on and in my drunken state love all that stuff in the clubs!! and when they dropped street tuff - rebel mc it made me smile and obviously followed by let me clear my throat and the other regulars, great stuff!
rebel mc - (as in the geeza who went off 2 be a jungle mc in congo natty??) street tuff??wot a tune!!back in the day bizness or wot!!gotta love that line "Is he a yankee?Naaaaaa, hes a londoner!!"
plus the intro sample when it goes "U caaannn't play bass!"
at the derby meet 2day, rob wastegate had a copy of 2 live crews album - "as nasty as they wanna be" - gave him nuff luv 4 that!! cant beat a bit of "me so horny"!!! :thumbs:
aka-coley
09-06-2003, 00:32
Originally posted by hadyn
gotta love that line "Is he a yankee?Naaaaaa, hes a londoner!!"
thats the line, i was waiting for it from the second i heard the tune come on, classic line :D
had the westmidlands hoes going crazy 2 faith evans vs the crooklyn clans "love like this before remix", gotta love that "engine, engine no. 9 on the new york transit line, if my train goes off the track, pick it up, pick it up, BASS DROP" gets the azzes shaking all over the shop!! ;) :p
aka-coley
09-06-2003, 00:37
when i heard the engine engine number 9 line, i carried on rapping the black sheep choice is yours song, i should have guessed it couldnt have been the oiginal playing!
bare faced sell out aint it mate?!!! :thumbs:
aka-coley
09-06-2003, 00:41
its too late for me to get my soapbox out again!!!:D cant be gettin my blood pressure up at my age!!! lol i a glad this thread started as its good to know there are people out there who love there hip hop, i might not dress too hip hop anymore, but i still feel it!!
same here, my hip hop threads from back in the day have long since been resigned to a corner of the wardrobe!but u cant really dress the culture these days as its in every part of youth culture 2day, so its not making the stark statement it used to in the early 90s.....old man, signing off!
just been listening to a few peepz down the pub chatting bare bubbles - but can anyone, comment on the 'widespread' notion that Tupac Shakur is coming back from the dead/Cuba in september this year?Has it got something to do with the seven year theory or summat, and that 2pac has hinted that he will return from a fake death in one of his records or summat???i know obviously about the makavelli connection, and makavelli's theories on coming back from the dead to confuse your enemies and destroy them, but has anyone else heard that 2pac is coming back sept. 2003?? :thumbs: :wave:
MattyGee
12-06-2003, 20:03
Originally posted by hadyn
at the derby meet 2day, rob wastegate had a copy of 2 live crews album - "as nasty as they wanna be" - gave him nuff luv 4 that!! cant beat a bit of "me so horny"!!! :thumbs:
my fave 2 live crew track = hoochie mama - what a bass line :D
my favourite 2 live crew track - 'banned in the usa'
Originally posted by hadyn
but has anyone else heard that 2pac is coming back sept. 2003??
This has been the theory since he was 'killed' that he would return seven years later, we will just have to wait and see :rolleyes:
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