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Well, Thought i would start this thread to discuss all the team/Driver Changes.
So Lots happening recently.
More talk of Renault pulling out and Richards taking them over under the name of Aston Martin.
Sauber's place has been guarenteed on the grid, taking Toyota's place.
And Kimi Confirmed to Citroen Junior WRC
Lots of other Changes happening as well, Look slike its gonna be a beast of a season IMO :nod:
Rubix_Cube
04-12-2009, 17:59
FFS Your keen!!
Its ages away...
Lots ot talk about ;)
There doesn't seem to be any good Motoring discussions anyway :p
apart from refueling no major changes, so unlikely one team will streak away like Brawn did this year.
none of them using KERS either
REDBULL will be strong from the start
Hamilton will out perform Button purely because he knows the car/team
Alonso in the Ferrari is the one to watch. the other drivers have shown how hard it is to jump into, but he's the best driver getting a better drive.
other prediction, they will follow each other around a lot. bernie will count his money and about May time they will announce the British Grand Prix won't be going to Britain.
Bugiebpoolfb
04-12-2009, 20:28
i also think Alonso will do well this season... would be worth throwing a few quid on
Silverstone Race for the next 17 years :D
Good Stuff
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8397777.stm
yeah i think alonso is the favourite providing ferrari give him a competitive car from the start!
Silverstone Race for the next 17 years :D
Good Stuff
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8397777.stm
Superb :notworthy
Hamilton to be World Champ again :nod: Mclaren the contructors :nod:
Drivers
Hamilton
Massa
Vetal
Button
Alonso
Webber
Constructors
Mclaren
Ferrari
Red Bull
Mercedes
zeppelin101
07-12-2009, 13:07
Surprised there has been no mention of this anywhere:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80392
French GP plans suffer fresh blow
"Hopes that the French Grand Prix will return to the Formula 1 calendar soon suffered a blow on Tuesday, after plans for a new circuit to host the race were cancelled.
Earlier this year, French authorities singled out a 4.5 kilometre track at Flins-Les-Mureaux, north west of Paris, as its preferred venue for a future F1 event.
The track was going to form the centrepiece of a new industrial complex that would attract major investment to the Yvelines region. It was hoped the track would be ready to host the French GP in 2011.
However, even though the industrial parts of the project have gone ahead and been a success, local authorities have decided to scrap plans for the F1 track.
Alain Schmitz, president of the general council of Yvelines, said on Tuesday: "Having consulted all the stakeholders in this case, I have decided in agreement with the elected county council to abandon the construction of the Formula 1 circuit."
Although the end of the plans for a race at Flins-Les-Mureaux is a big blow for French GP hopes, there still remains a chance the race could find its way back. Earlier this year, bosses at the Paul Ricard circuit expressed an interest in bidding for the F1 race."
Couple of major problems here:
1) Not helping the motorsport situation in France one bit - the FFSA are pretty pissed off with the result
2) Paul Ricard will not be hosting a GP anytime soon. Single track road access and a lousy paddock? Yeah right.
Good news about Silverstone however, although they'll have to get their arses into gear and spend some cash PDQ if they're going to relocate the paddock and modify the layout between Abbey and Brooklands.
oooh, I cant wait for the new season to start.
Hamilton will OWN Button:nod:
I think the Redbull/TR team will be strong just because they had a decent car last year and a four car team just helps with development anyway. Plus they have Vettel.
All i want is for Barrichello to do well and that Hulkenberg(sp) is decent.....
Infinity
07-12-2009, 13:35
Wicked news about Silverstone :notworthy
Real shame about the French F1 plans though, had serious promise :nod:
Jut
I think Hamilton will struggle quite a lot with the changes to refueling.
If Schumacher does decide to come back I can see it being a Mercedes walk over.
Wicked news about Silverstone :notworthy
I dont get it ... its a 17 year deal ... but either side can cancel it after 10 years
ist that then just a 10 year deal ? :wack:
Looking forward to having massa back again.
Cheers Aj
zeppelin101
07-12-2009, 16:02
Real shame about the French F1 plans though, had serious promise :nod:
I know, I work for the company that designed it :wack: lol
Hamilton will surprise quite a few people I think. Even when the car is a bag of crap and things aren't quite going to plan he's still way faster than he ought to be. I can't see some extra weight suddenly ruining his chances of being champion again by any means.
Button on the other hand... if the car isn't perfect he won't be anywhere. Look at his years at Honda/BAR. 2004 the car agreed with him and he did well, he's been nowhere since :wack: Until last year where again, he had a car that agreed with him.
schumi84
07-12-2009, 18:18
I think Hamilton will struggle quite a lot with the changes to refueling.
If Schumacher does decide to come back I can see it being a Mercedes walk over.
One can only hope :D.
I really do feel they have made a good decision by getting rid of refuelling and can see there being a lot more action on the track because of it :nod:.
The partnerships so far that have been confirmed should lead to some very good inter-team battles, with what looks to be at least 5 maybe 6 drivers with a real chance at going for the title.
Red Bull are definite favourites mainly down to the fact they have had the least upheaval (sp?) over the winter and the McLaren battle is going to be fascinating :).
Bring on the new season, i can't wait :D
Hamilton will out perform Button purely because he is better
Word ;)
Sideways14a
07-12-2009, 18:34
Got to say, my 50p bet is on RedBull.... They are building up steam and look ready to deal out a whuppin.
Mercedes... if the old guy comes back then hell yeah.
McLaren ... the boy wonder is always going to be in the frame, just depends on how crap the car is.
Ferrari... will prob be shite as Alonso no doubt thinks he will be playing the big-man in the team and most of boys in red will want to be pushing Massa.
Really looking forward to the next season, I'm not a fan of the no refueling as it encourages poncing about being gentle to the tyres too much - more to be lost by taking risks.
Dunc.
Infinity
07-12-2009, 19:44
I dont get it ... its a 17 year deal ... but either side can cancel it after 10 years
ist that then just a 10 year deal ? :wack:
Effectively yes, but I think the potential longevity (17 years) of the contract allowed the BRDC to get the funding they needed to make sure the British Grand Prix stays on the calendar for the long run :nod:
I know, I work for the company that designed it :wack: lol
Oh that's gutting mate :(
Jut
zeppelin101
07-12-2009, 19:51
Oh that's gutting mate :(
Not really, we completed the majority of the design work. The next phase was construction documentation and supporting the homologation process while it was built. We've actually already made most of our fee.
The downside is that it's not a completed circuit to add to the portfolio, but there is nothing we can do about that!
Infinity
07-12-2009, 19:54
Not really, we completed the majority of the design work. The next phase was construction documentation and supporting the homologation process while it was built. We've actually already made most of our fee.
The downside is that it's not a completed circuit to add to the portfolio, but there is nothing we can do about that!
Well the main thing is you've covered costs, so I guess it's a case of moving on, but as you say - would've been great in the portfolio :nod:
Jut
zeppelin101
07-12-2009, 20:00
Aye, although given how many projects we have ready to start next year and the fact that there is only 8 of us in the company it might turn out to be a good thing in a roundabout kinda way! lol
Infinity
07-12-2009, 20:09
Maybe a blessing in disguise then :)
Jut
I know pretty much nothing about F1 but I do remember reading about new aerodynamics somewhere/sometime? Or is that something I imagined?
schumi84
07-12-2009, 22:08
That would have been for last season (or the season before, cant quite remember now)Silane, small rear wings and massive front wings to try and aid the cars in following each other round the medium/fast corners.
Hasnt really worked that well tbh, well not in the way the cars used to be able to to follow each other in the late 80s early 90s :nod:
zeppelin101
07-12-2009, 22:33
The tracks are as much at fault as the aerodynamicists.
Unfortunately, it's a lot easier and cheaper to tell the teams to do something about it than it is to tell the circuit operators to find 150 million euros to redesign half their track.
Especially when you consider that, from a financial point of view at least, F1 is less than desirable. You host an F1 event, you're gonna lose money.
That would have been for last season (or the season before, cant quite remember now)Silane, small rear wings and massive front wings to try and aid the cars in following each other round the medium/fast corners.
Hasnt really worked that well tbh, well not in the way the cars used to be able to to follow each other in the late 80s early 90s :nod:
Ah, so i'm only a year or so behind. Nice. :wack::annoyed:
Potentially a new scoring system now!! The new points system would award 25 points for a win with the top 10 drivers scoring points. It seems very similar to the system fans were talking about when Bernie went completely mental and tried to roll out a medal system. :rolleyes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8407119.stm
Sounds like the motoGP way of doing things :nod::wack:
Always thought the motogp scoring system was better, leads to closer championships.
Moto GP awards points all the way down to 15th with only 4 points between 1st and 2nd which is proportionally a narrower gap than the old points system of 10 for 1st and 8 for 2nd.
McRearout
11-12-2009, 11:23
Most new tracks are pants.
Bring back the old school Hockenhiem :nod:
At least Spa is still on the calender :)
zeppelin101
11-12-2009, 11:33
At least Spa is still on the calender :)
From a drivers perspective - great.
Spectators perspective - not so great.
Not much passing at Spa the last couple of years compared to the like of Melbourne and Monza. Not even close in fact.
Silverstone Race for the next 17 years :D
Good Stuff
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8397777.stm
Donnington really made a major ball up of that opportunity :(
i thought spar lost its licence to host any racing because of the noise police?
It appears Manor have become Virgin Racing
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80525
Glock has been confirmed as one of their drivers.
i thought spar lost its licence to host any racing because of the noise police?
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/245201/
i thought spar lost its licence to host any racing because of the noise police?
I don't think the customers were all that happy with it either, I imagine 20 F1 cars get in the way a bit when you're only in for a loaf and a pint of milk :wack:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/245201/
that's what you want, politicians with balls :)
McRearout
11-12-2009, 14:14
From a drivers perspective - great.
Spectators perspective - not so great.
It's like all tracks really.
All it needs is a bit of rain, which it tends to get plenty of.
At least it's not like the Hungaboring :wack:
schumi84
12-12-2009, 10:35
I don't think the customers were all that happy with it either, I imagine 20 F1 cars get in the way a bit when you're only in for a loaf and a pint of milk :wack:
:clap:
I still feel that Spa is easily the best track on the calender, even if they have tried to ruin the end of the lap with redesigning the Bus-Stop chicane :mad:.
IMO they should stop messing around with the old tracks as they are ruining them (Hockenheim in particular was much better as a longer circuit - went to the revised one in 2003).
Am extremely pleased that they are looking at changing the scoring system, have been saying they should change it as soon as they moved to top 8 scoring as opposed to top 6, with more emphasis on winning :nod:
Looking forward to seeing the new cars and colour schemes next month too :)
So the season is about to start
First testing of the cars on monday.
Whos ready?
Ferrari launch their new car tomorrow, Mclaren on Friday.
Porker-S14a
28-01-2010, 09:53
This season is going to be epic!
Chriscooke
28-01-2010, 10:27
Been looking forward to the start of testing. Can't read to much in to it tho as some cars will run light to attract sponsorship.
Ferrari
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/motorsport/2010/01/28/ferrari-f1-car-launch-sees-fernando-alonso-makes-emotional-debut-115875-22001151/
McRearout
28-01-2010, 11:38
Looks quite nice
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/jan2010/8/8/ferrari-f10-pic-getty-794626539.jpg
Looks quite nice
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/jan2010/8/8/ferrari-f10-pic-getty-794626539.jpg
I dont like it to many stickers :wack:
Not sure what to make of the new Ferrari to be honest. It'll change a lot by the first race anyway. There are also rumours, came from an Italian journolist with quite good ties to them, that Ferrari haven't achieved their perfomance goals and are working on a B-Spec car already.
Not sure what to make of the new Ferrari to be honest. It'll change a lot by the first race anyway. There are also rumours, came from an Italian journolist with quite good ties to them, that Ferrari haven't achieved their perfomance goals and are working on a B-Spec car already.
The James Allen blog mentions that Ferrari and McLaren haven't met their goals, whereas Brawn have.
It's going to be interesting. I tell you, stick some energy drink logos on that ferrari and what does it look like? ;) They did mention somewhere on the BBC last year that most people would copy the Red Bull design.
schumi84
28-01-2010, 12:38
The nose on the new Ferrari is definitely the biggest change for, looks a lot longer and sleeker than the old one. I bird's eye view of the car is also quite a surprise as it shows how little in the way of add-ons there are to the bodywork :nod:.
Am liking it, and also they have gone back to the more matte red as opposed to brighter, metallicy red in the past.
boombastik
28-01-2010, 12:47
FFS Your keen!!
Its ages away...
only 43 days away not like im counting :wack:
only 43 days away not like im counting :wack:
Your not the only one but then I'm out of work so don't have a lot of stuff to think about, lol
Should be a good one this year. Just Hope that Williams move further forward and for Jenson's and Lewis's sake that the Mclaren is not a dog this year.
The James Allen blog mentions that Ferrari and McLaren haven't met their goals, whereas Brawn have.
I hadn't seen the Mc rumour although Whitmarsh, and the drivers, have been quite bullish about their results. Domenicalli has played thigsn down what I've read (though translations). But it you have to ask if it's a case of Mc (and Ferrari) setting targets too high and failing whilst Brawn set low targets. Or have Mc & Ferrari messed up (last year is kind of off set by their planning for KERS)?
The first test sessions wil show how how the season will pan out. But as long Schumacher doesn't win I could even live with Alonso winning......
McRearout
28-01-2010, 13:39
I could even live with Alonso winning......
Wash your mouth out young man! :D
He's the new Dick Dasterdly! :wack:
zeppelin101
28-01-2010, 13:48
He is a bit of a penis.
I hope Massa trashes him, just to see him have a massive hissy fit. Again.
Sideways14a
28-01-2010, 14:10
Massa will take him out the back and do him good and proper...:thumbs:
My prediction is Schumacher will lap Hamilton in the first race.:)
Interesting looking car, i know it has to carry a lot of fuel, bit its nowhere near as tightly packaged as the last one, quite fat round the hips. My guess is the lots of cooling as theyre batteling to make back the power deficit to the Merc engine. Its definately got the redbull nose ridges.
Predictions:
This is going to be the year of ferrari imploding in on itself.
Massa is good enough to upset alonso, which will lead the mclaren-esq situations at ferrari, which ferraris upper management is to young to sort out, montidictatori will step in to help, alsonso will stomp out in a huff before mid season, at which point massa will crack and theyll be left running fizzi and badoer.
McLaren vs Redbull for the championship with Merc wishing theyd not jumped ship, and comming a distant third.
Webber will win it.
Button will be neck and neck with hamilton.
Hulknberg will end Barichellos carear, by scoring more than twice as many points as he does.
Campos will be last of the last and Virgin will make it to midfield.
Think that about covers it :Wack:
Interestingly, despite being billed as moseleys monkey Mr Todt, seems to have been making some sensible noises, getting shot of that prick Donnely was definately a good start.
Alonso - He's the new Dick Dasterdly! :wack:
Not really, he's just a whinney little biatch, alomost jar jar binks like. Unlike Shoemaker he's not (yet) gone crashing into people to stop them winning or parked it on the track to stop people qualifiying.
Campos will be last of the last
Campos are about 3 days from not getting to the grid and being replaced by the Sauber.
Mr Todt, getting shot of that prick Donnely was definately a good start
Best news so far! :thumbs:
Sideways14a
28-01-2010, 14:42
Nope i recon its merc/redbull and the boy wonder in his Macca that will be the deal this year.
The package of that chassie, that engine and that driver will ensure that the silver ones go well :thumbs:
Campos are about 3 days from not getting to the grid and being replaced by the Sauber.
Sauber Ferrari are already in, got the nod back in december.
schumi84
28-01-2010, 15:42
Sauber Ferrari are already in, got the nod back in december.
Yep, they were allowed in after Toyota (i think) confirmed that they werent going to be entering this year.
Interesting looking car, i know it has to carry a lot of fuel, bit its nowhere near as tightly packaged as the last one, quite fat round the hips. My guess is the lots of cooling as theyre batteling to make back the power deficit to the Merc engine. Its definately got the redbull nose ridges.
Predictions:
This is going to be the year of ferrari imploding in on itself.
Massa is good enough to upset alonso, which will lead the mclaren-esq situations at ferrari, which ferraris upper management is to young to sort out, montidictatori will step in to help, alsonso will stomp out in a huff before mid season, at which point massa will crack and theyll be left running fizzi and badoer. :nod:
McLaren vs Redbull for the championship with Merc wishing theyd not jumped ship, and comming a distant third. :nod:
Webber will win it. God i hope not
Button will be neck and neck with hamilton. I think Button will be way down
Hulknberg will end Barichellos carear, by scoring more than twice as many points as he does. More than likely:cry:
Campos will be last of the last and Virgin will make it to midfield.
Think that about covers it :Wack:
Interestingly, despite being billed as moseleys monkey Mr Todt, seems to have been making some sensible noises, getting shot of that prick Donnely was definately a good start.
Going to be exciting no matter what.:nod:
The 2010 Williams broke cover today aswell, far more sculpted rear end, by the looks of the single shot on autosport.... looking more and more like ferrari have spooned it.
McLaren tommorow... live on the web.. should be good.
Mclaren launch live here http://carlaunch.mclaren.com/ starts in around 5 minutes.
The 2010 Williams broke cover today aswell, far more sculpted rear end, by the looks of the single shot on autosport.... looking more and more like ferrari have spooned it.
McLaren tommorow... live on the web.. should be good.
What makes you think the Ferrari have spooned it?
There are reports on the web about how Ferrari are already working on a B spec car and they are getting twitchy about diffusers. Its all rumour tho and really the first indication will be in testing!!!
What makes you think the Ferrari have spooned it?
The packaging round the rear of the car looks really big, more than just for additional fuel, like theyre trying to cope with a hot engine. The Williams is much tighter, and the McLarens a work of art, very cool. The Ferrari just looks like a fat 2009 Redbull at the front and, i dont know, unambitious maybe, at the back.
Mind you, it could like totally different by the first round.
The word is that Ferrari are already working on a B-Spec car :wack:
http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1264945259.jpg
How Awesome does the new Sauber look!!!
^^^ i like the rims :) wonder if they'll do em in 5x114 :wack:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81147 Renault
http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1264952449.jpg
Shark fin is definately catching on. Renault don't appear to have Red Bull nose though. Petrov confirmed as 2nd driver. And I've just realised, they're back to classic Renault Racing colours. Jabouilles Turbo from the 70s, Reanult 5s pre Group B, classic stuff.
^^^ im sure it will remind eddie jordan that he had a yellow and black f1 team and he must tell us all about it every race
Chriscooke
31-01-2010, 17:27
That sauber looks the business. Not sure on delarossa(sp?) as a driver tho:no:
That Renault is a just a Renault and as such is gash.
Sideways14a
31-01-2010, 17:31
The renault is yellow because the FIA told the team to paint them like that, so that when they fancy having a crash everyone else will see em do it.
That Sauber is awesome, best looking 2010 car I've seen so far. The Fezza and McLaren look boring by comparison, and that Renault looks the same as last years bar the livery :wack:
Chriscooke
31-01-2010, 17:55
That Sauber is awesome, best looking 2010 car I've seen so far. The Fezza and McLaren look boring by comparison, and that Renault looks the same as last years bar the livery :wack:
The fezza looks great now it has more white on it again imho the macca has some lovely detail around the exhausts also:nod:
schumi84
31-01-2010, 19:52
^^^ im sure it will remind eddie jordan that he had a yellow and black f1 team and he must tell us all about it every race
Lol
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww305/schumi84/Random/1264952449.jpg
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww305/schumi84/Random/jordan-f1-ej10-1.jpg
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww305/schumi84/Random/fry-see-what-you-did-there.jpg
Chriscooke
31-01-2010, 23:27
/\ /\ /\ /\ Thats quality.
Just been looking at pictures of the sauber and they have the rear defuser covered up in their launch photos. Looks like they are taking it very seriously and hoping for great things:nod:
The Merc looks quite nice :)
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47219000/jpg/_47219844_newcar466_282.jpg
No pictures of the Toro Rosso as yet though, apparently it's not important enough :wack:
Oh, and I think this pic speaks volumes :smash:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47219000/jpg/_47219744_newschu260.jpg
so to summarise, all the cars look the same, and they all look like last years cars.
if it wasn't for the paint jobs (for those watching in black and white), this is how to tell them apart.
Ferrari -mirrors outboard
Mercedes - mirrors inboard
Renault - mirrors inboard behind the other car with inboard mirrors
Sauber - only one mirror.......
best bit, no more Lewis ****stain doing Santander adverts. wtf is the lego bridge advert about?
Torro Rosso
http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1265012775.jpg
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81168
That's a 2009 Red Bull :wack:
baker_001
01-02-2010, 11:44
I like the circular intake on top of the torro rosso, looks like a cannon :wack: :D
The sauber looks awesome :eek: I hope it's as fast as it looks :)
That's a 2009 Red Bull :wack:
Thats exactly what i thought.:nod:
Infinity
01-02-2010, 11:49
That's a 2009 Red Bull :wack:
Which wasn't a shabby car, bit of tinkering here and there and job's a good 'un :D
Jut
Torro Rosso
http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1265012775.jpg
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81168
This was last years RB
http://webatlantis.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/2009_Red_Bull_RB5.jpg
Its completely different :wack:
That's a 2009 Red Bull :wack:
This was last years RB
Its completely different :wack:
Why would it look that different. They may of had to design their own car this year, but you'd be mad to think that they'd start completely from scratch rather than evolve the best car of last year.
Here are the times from the 1st session, with Dutch titles and everything!
coureur team wagen tijd verschil #
1. F. Massa Ferrari F10 1:13.088 32 pit
2. G. Paffett McLaren MP4-25 1:14.018 +0.930 30 pit
3. P. de la Rosa BMW Sauber C25 1:14.040 +0.952 15 pit
4. R. Barrichello Williams FW32 1:14.449 +1.361 41 pit
5. N. Rosberg Mercedes GP MGP W01 1:14.753 +1.665 24 pit
6. R. Kubica Renault R30 1:15.298 +2.210 37 pit
7. S. Buemi Toro Rosso STR5 1:19.279 +6.191 8 pit
http://www.f1today.nl/live-update/2010/02/01/circuit-de-la-comunitat-valenciana/
So much awesomeness
http://www.f1today.nl/fotos/f2i5msc73.jpg
I THINK this is the 2010 FW31 from Williams
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/11/williams-hulk-test.jpg
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/05/williams-f1-signs-barrichello-and-hulkenberg-for-2010/
I THINK this is the 2010 FW31 from Williams
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/11/williams-hulk-test.jpg
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/05/williams-f1-signs-barrichello-and-hulkenberg-for-2010/
Loving that:nod:
It's actually the FW32
*pedant mode off.
And that's last years car this is the new one.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w211/FD3oin/1264694745.jpg
Okay mate, it's just the article says 31.
Another pic of the Sauber. You might want to be careful if you're viewing this at work, its pure filth.
http://cdn.images.autocar.co.uk/612x408FFFFFF/NonCar/311101075543151600x1060.jpg
Okay mate, it's just the article says 31.
The article wasn't wrong about it being the 31 look at the post above yours they used a pic of the 2009 car.
Chriscooke
01-02-2010, 18:39
Times from today:
1 MASSA Ferrari 1m12.574s (102)
2 DE LA ROSA Sauber 1m12.784s (74)
3 SCHUMACHER Mercedes 1m12.944s (40)
4 ROSBERG Mercedes 1m13.543s (39)
5 PAFFETT McLaren 1m13.846s (86)
6 BARRICHELLO Williams 1m14.449s (75)
7 BUEMI Toro Rosso 1m14.762s (18)
8 KUBICA Renault 1m15.000s (68)
I know you can't read too much in to this tho.
Schumacher quicker than Rosberg.
Is this the beginning of a pattern ? I hope so anyway, I think Rosberg is overrated.
McRearout
02-02-2010, 09:25
Another pic of the Sauber. You might want to be careful if you're viewing this at work, its pure filth.
http://cdn.images.autocar.co.uk/612x408FFFFFF/NonCar/311101075543151600x1060.jpg
looks like a demented fish :wack:
Oh, and I think this pic speaks volumes :smash:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47219000/jpg/_47219744_newschu260.jpg
I nearly spat tea :D
Infinity
02-02-2010, 10:00
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47219000/jpg/_47219744_newschu260.jpg
Maybe Sniff Petrol could use that instead of the picture of Michael and Ralf :D
Jut
schumi84
02-02-2010, 10:42
Small modification to the new scoring system:
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=47725
Virgin VR-01 unveiled
Link (http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/2/10395.html)
http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1265197067.jpg
Lotus are unveiling on 12th Feb
It'll be interesting to see how it goes, it's the first F1 car designed without a windtunnel. It was done completely using CFD. I like the colour scheme, F1 liveries are much improved this year.
zeppelin101
03-02-2010, 12:59
If it's anything as good as the sports cars that Wirth has churned out it could be rather good.
This is going to be an epic season of F1.
Cheers Aj
looking forward to this greatly, first race Bahrain 14 March.
i really dont know who is going to be tops, i always say lets see what happens in the first 5 races, then when they get back to europe with the first round of updates to the cars and who improves.
i so hope rosberg fcuks it up, i do not rate him at all, and i do hope Massa wipe the floor with Alonso
i want to see the new teams (not the re-branded ones) do well, i hope they can cause an upset or 2.
if Brawn stayed Brawn and kept button i would have been supporting them, but now they are Merc, then seem to have lost that "young up start" image abit, and Button going to Mclaren is a bit meh, as i expect them to be mid field for most if not all the season.
i just dont know whats going to happen about the fueling, i hope it doesnt turn in ot "who can conserve their tyres for the longest" competition. having the weight diffeerence in Qually and the race was good, as most of the cars have similar power, similar Aero numbers, and similar tyre degredation, so having upto 50kg of weigh difference between the cars helped mix it up (as well as the pit strategy)
but whats the bets that bridge stone elect to make 2 new tyre compounds harder and super hard, to help with wear, and they drop soft and super soft as they wont be much use. only in the lat 25% of the race.
Yeah 'cause Ross Brawn was a young up start, only taking Shumacha to all his world titles, never did I see Brawn as a young upstart team, I saw them as the most experienced team and it told!
Chriscooke
03-02-2010, 13:33
i just dont know whats going to happen about the fueling, i hope it doesnt turn in ot "who can conserve their tyres for the longest" competition.
It may also a who can conserve their fuel the best. All the teams will want to run it as tight as possible so I'm expecting to see a few cockups with the levels at the start of the year:nod:
I think button will do ok if I am honest. Schumacher is already seeming to be back on the pace as well:nod:
You never know we may see another Alain Prost style finish where they will pe pushing there cars over the line after running out of fuel, lol
Red Bull Racing to unveil RB6 on 10th February (Wednesday) (http://www.redbullracing.com/Car/Articles/2010-Car-Launch-Date-Announced/)
Is anyone else really confused by the de la Rosa signing? He was a mediocre driver when racing 10 years ago, and all this time being a test driver isn't going to have improved things. And they ditch Hedifeld who has far more racing experience and has been pretty much on a par with Kubica (who is very highly rated) all the time they have been together. Bizarre decision imo.
zeppelin101
05-02-2010, 13:15
Not really.
He's well known in the paddock for giving very good feedback on the car and he has a lot of testing experience. Sauber needs someone like him on board to try and make a decent car, he's got all the right credentials to help improve it significantly over the course of the season.
Plus I imagine he's probably somewhat cheaper than Heidfeld to keep as well.
baker_001
05-02-2010, 13:48
Plus I imagine he's probably somewhat cheaper than Heidfeld to keep as well.
^^ This :nod: It is a shame heifeld has been kicked out though, I agree he wasn't at all bad.
schumi84
05-02-2010, 14:29
As i have said before, Heidfeld has definitely had the raw deal on a number of occasions and should easily be driving in a top team for this season :nod:.
I hope that he is able to sneak in somewhere next year as i do rate the guy (biast a bit maybe due to him being German and all :D)
Chriscooke
05-02-2010, 19:00
I hope that he is able to sneak in somewhere next year as i do rate the guy (biast a bit maybe due to him being German and all :D)
He's now the test driver for merc from what i hear.
Sauber Ferrari are already in, got the nod back in december.
Sauber are the replacement for Toyota who dropped out after the four new teams, Virgin Rcing (Manor), Lotus, USF1 and Campos, were entered. Rumour is now that some teams will ask for permission to miss the first 3 GP's. Best guess is that the teams asking to miss them are Campos and USF1.
schumi84
08-02-2010, 16:02
He's now the test driver for merc from what i hear.
Indeed he is, am glad that he at least gets some sort of drive next year, just hope it doesnt just peater out for him :(
More stories of Campos and USF1 missing three Gp's. Personally I can see them not making the grid at all.
www.motorsport.com/news/ (http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=356936)
More stories of Campos and USF1 missing three Gp's. Personally I can see them not making the grid at all.
Go Stefan GP! :wack:
Go Stefan GP! :wack:
They've already sent a container of stuff to Bahrain.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81210
They've already sent a container of stuff to Bahrain.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81210
Where the hell is the point in that? If any team is allowed to skip up to 3 gp, then why send stuff knowing you cant get a place till the 4th race?
Chriscooke
09-02-2010, 12:08
I find it amusing that a team thats not entered in to this years championship is more prepared for it than half the ones that are:wack:
Where the hell is the point in that? If any team is allowed to skip up to 3 gp, then why send stuff knowing you cant get a place till the 4th race?
Teams aren't allowed to skip races there's rumours going around that USF1 and maybe Campos will ask for dispensation to allow them to miss the first 3 races.
As for Stefan sending equipment to Bahrain don't forget that Zoran Stefanovich is a good friend of Bernie Ecclestone, so maybe he knows something the rest of us don't know about one of those teams not being able to compete.
I find it amusing that a team thats not entered in to this years championship is more prepared for it than half the ones that are:wack:
It's hardly surprising given that he bought an existing teams (Toyota) 2010 cars and equipment.
Chriscooke
09-02-2010, 12:13
It's hardly surprising given that he bought an existing teams (Toyota) 2010 cars and equipment.
This is true. Am I not right in saying that the other teams had well in excess of a year to prepare tho? You would of thought that most of the teams would of atleast had a test mule out and about last year if they were serious.
I can't help but think that team usa will never make it.
Can someone tell me where I can find a list of drivers for last season, so I can see who has changed, been kicked?
Force India
http://cdn.gallery.autosport.com/picture_free.php/dir/2010ind1/image/dmk0610fe14-2
Todt has said the teams can miss the first 3 races :nod:
This is true. Am I not right in saying that the other teams had well in excess of a year to prepare tho? You would of thought that most of the teams would of atleast had a test mule out and about last year if they were serious.
I can't help but think that team usa will never make it.
They were only confirmed in June so that's not a lot of time really especially if they didn't know if they were getting a place so given the costs involved you can understand them not going too far with design and build etc.
I don't think USF1 will make it either when they were launched there was a big fanfare and they were talking about how American they were and their first signing is from South America :wack:
Can someone tell me where I can find a list of drivers for last season, so I can see who has changed, been kicked?
Here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/drivers_and_teams/default.stm) :thumbs:
Chriscooke
09-02-2010, 12:31
They were only confirmed in June so that's not a lot of time really especially if they didn't know if they were getting a place so given the costs involved you can understand them not going too far with design and build etc.
Ah I thought they had been confirmed for a lot longer than that:o
I hope US F1 do make it, if only so we can see how shit they are at building a car that goes round corners :D
Couldn't give a toss about Campos TBH.
Couldn't give a toss about Campos TBH.
I'd be interested to see if senna lives up to the hype.
Dunc.
I'd be interested to see if senna lives up to the hype.
Dunc.
Well he cant be a bigger flop than Nelson Jr :wack:
New Lotus
http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1265734646.jpg
Is there actually anything Lotus about it?
Well the name and its built in Norfolk. But no not the Hethel Lotus we know but then Proton own them and have basically franchised their name (I believe)
Has ruined Friday's unveil of Lotus for me :( D'oh!
Red Bull RB6 comes out tomorrow.
I'd be interested to see if senna lives up to the hype.
Dunc.
I'd be suprised if he does, name is bigger than his talent imo. He's pretty old for a rookie nowadays and certainly didn't dominate GP2 like Hamilton and the like seemed to (we'll look over Piquet "cheating barsteward" Jr :wack: ) .
zeppelin101
09-02-2010, 20:02
Well the name and its built in Norfolk. But no not the Hethel Lotus we know but then Proton own them and have basically franchised their name (I believe)
:nod:
Pretty much. Lotus have had very little input, if any, in the car design.
I'd be suprised if he does, name is bigger than his talent imo. He's pretty old for a rookie nowadays and certainly didn't dominate GP2 like Hamilton and the like seemed to (we'll look over Piquet "cheating barsteward" Jr :wack: ) .
He's only 26 and didn't race anything other than a kart until 2004. His GP2 record isn't bad at all given his level of experience at the time especially when you see that he finished 2nd overall in 2008. Kamui Kobayashi's record in GP2 is terrible he finished 16th in the championship in the 2 years he competed, and yet when he got a race chance in an F1 car in only 2 races with limited testing he impressed everyone by dicing with the likes of Jenson Button and more in Brazil and scoring points in Abu Dhabi, so much so that he managed to get a full time drive for this season. Don't forget that Damon Hill was 31 when he made his F1 debut and he didn't turn out too bad now did he,
He's only 26 and didn't race anything other than a kart until 2004. His GP2 record isn't bad at all given his level of experience at the time especially when you see that he finished 2nd overall in 2008. Kamui Kobayashi's record in GP2 is terrible he finished 16th in the championship in the 2 years he competed, and yet when he got a race chance in an F1 car in only 2 races with limited testing he impressed everyone by dicing with the likes of Jenson Button and more in Brazil and scoring points in Abu Dhabi, so much so that he managed to get a full time drive for this season. Don't forget that Damon Hill was 31 when he made his F1 debut and he didn't turn out too bad now did he,
There's Talent and then there's having a huge amount of sponsorship money especially from Toyota.
He's only 26 and didn't race anything other than a kart until 2004. His GP2 record isn't bad at all given his level of experience at the time especially when you see that he finished 2nd overall in 2008. Kamui Kobayashi's record in GP2 is terrible he finished 16th in the championship in the 2 years he competed, and yet when he got a race chance in an F1 car in only 2 races with limited testing he impressed everyone by dicing with the likes of Jenson Button and more in Brazil and scoring points in Abu Dhabi, so much so that he managed to get a full time drive for this season. Don't forget that Damon Hill was 31 when he made his F1 debut and he didn't turn out too bad now did he,
iirc a lot of rookies in the past few years have been closer to 20 than 25, and a lot has changed in the 18 years since Damon's debut :nod: and this....
There's Talent and then there's having a huge amount of sponsorship money especially from Toyota.
But anyway, time will tell :)
Red Bull RB6
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47272000/jpg/_47272630_redbull466.jpg
Article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8504426.stm)
There's Talent and then there's having a huge amount of sponsorship money especially from Toyota.
iirc a lot of rookies in the past few years have been closer to 20 than 25, and a lot has changed in the 18 years since Damon's debut :nod:
I was trying to defend Bruno Senna's not exactly shabby record in GP2 more than I was trying to talk up Kobayashi but you have to admit he was pretty impressive in the 2 grand prix he did last year :nod: .
I for one think Senna will surprise a few people, but you have to feel sorry for someone who no matter what he does will always be compared to his uncle.
Re. the age thing do you guys think Michael Schumacher is too old at 41 ?
Live updates from the Jerez test. (http://live.autosport.com/commentary.php/id/174)
Re. the age thing do you guys think Michael Schumacher is too old at 41 ?
Yes, I will be surprised if he keeps it up for a whole season :nod:
Volkswagen to buy Campos F1 - autorace_f1 (http://twitter.com/autorace_f1)
And rumours that Campos has sold his share in the team as well.
No idea how reliable this source is though.
McRearout
11-02-2010, 09:07
Schumacher is a robot, so will have no problems. :smash:
Re. the age thing do you guys think Michael Schumacher is too old at 41 ?
I dunno about too old, but in the last couple of years of racing before he retired, he made far more mistakes in his driving than he had done 5 years before.
Certainly he was nowhere near as sharp as he used to be .... and now he is 41 he will be slower still.
Only time will tell if he has the reactions to drive the car consistently lap after lap like the young guys can
Andynissan
11-02-2010, 09:13
Yes, I will be surprised if he keeps it up for a whole season :nod:
I agree. This opinion is only strengthened by the fact that they have Heidfeld as a reserve driver..
Chriscooke
11-02-2010, 09:58
I agree that schumacher is now not at his best but, I still think that if he had not retired Hamilton, Kimi and probably button would not of been world champions:no: They all made far to many mistakes and Schumi would of capitalised on it imho:nod:
Yes, I will be surprised if he keeps it up for a whole season :nod:
I'll be surprised if he doesn't, will just have to wait and see how it pans out though I suppose :)
Dunc.
Schumacher at 41 is probably fitter than most of the drivers 10-15 years younger.
I can't see him having a silly crash like Hamilton did a few laps before the end of the race. He's just a quality driver.
Schumacher at 41 is probably fitter than most of the drivers 10-15 years younger.
Interesting that Brawn are the only team not give each driver two consecutive days testing Jerez. They're gone Rosberg, Schumcher, Rosberg, Schumacher. I'm sure that they have a good reason for this but along with the reports that Schumacher neck docter was making unschedule visits during the previous test it creates doubts over his fitness.
schumi84
11-02-2010, 13:31
The Virgin car has had to stop for the day due to a failed front wing mount
Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8510697.stm)
"See, what happened was... the front fell off" :wack:
http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1265888031.jpg
zeppelin101
11-02-2010, 14:16
We were joking about that in the office last week saying that a car not designed in a wind tunnel would probably fall apart...
How right we were :wack:
schumi84
11-02-2010, 15:11
They should apply the SX owner's thinking and just use cable ties :)
I agree that schumacher is now not at his best but, I still think that if he had not retired Hamilton, Kimi and probably button would not of been world champions:no: They all made far to many mistakes and Schumi would of capitalised on it imho:nod:
i dont think button made too many mistakes, ok the overall pace dropped off but jensen was pretty consistant over the whole season,
hamilton and kimi vs schumacher wouldv been interesting as i think theyre 2 guys willing to have a go, i think for a long time not many people even tried to go wheel to wheel with shumi even when they had the pace. hope this season will be as interesting as it should be on paper:thumbs:
i cant see schumi winning the title but i bet he's closer than most people think he should be, personally i think Alonso will storm the championship in a Ferrari, although i would prefer a Mclaren 1, 2 finish.
"See, what happened was... the front fell off" :wack:
http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1265888031.jpg
Go Virgin! That's some good sagging there!
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Video's gone already. FOM are quick aren't they :wack:
Video's gone already. FOM are quick aren't they :wack:
They're fcuking idiots! They need to embrace the new age, they can't control everything!
They're fcuking idiots! They need to embrace the new age, they can't control everything!
I'm surprised they're still so quick to clamp down, isn't Chad Hurley the owner of youtube one of the main backers/owners of USF1 ?
Or maybe it's a subtle hint that they won't be participating.
Andynissan
12-02-2010, 16:28
I agree that schumacher is now not at his best but, I still think that if he had not retired Hamilton, Kimi and probably button would not of been world champions:no: They all made far to many mistakes and Schumi would of capitalised on it imho:nod:
I disagree with that strongly.
For me the benchmark (until now) of Schumis ability compared to Hamilton was that Alonso beat Schumi 2 seasons straight with Schumi even having to resort to cheating to try and win. But when Alonso got in the same car as Hamilton in his ROOKIE season Hamilton came out on top with more race wins. And would have won the championship from the lucky Kimi if they'd not messed up the tyre call in China.
Maybe sticking my neck out here.. but I see Nico Rosberg pushing Schumi hardest this season. With Mercedes a little behind the pack.
^^ i dont think rosberg will be allowed to push him too hard, team politics will favour schumi
Lotus launch - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81458
US F1 is on the brink of collapse, having failed to raise the required funds to compete in this year’s Formula One championship.
The American team’s chances of making it onto the grid at Bahrain in two weeks' time have been questioned for several months, and the BBC claims that its chief backer, YouTube founder Chad Hurley, will switch his funding to fellow newcomer Campos Meta.
Hurley is US F1’s chief backer, but the team is believed to have underestimated how much funding was required on making it onto the grid.
US F1's co-founders, Ken Anderson and Peter Windsor, have yet to comment on the reports. The pair have already confirmed that the team has asked the FIA for permission to miss the first four races of the season, but this is unlikely to have been granted as it breaches the Concorde Agreement signed by US F1 and F1’s other 12 teams.
Argentine Jose Maria Lopez is the only driver signed by US F1 and he is set to follow Hurley to Campos to become Bruno Senna’s team-mate.
Campos team principal Colin Kolles has confirmed the team will make the grid in Bahrain, despite having not tested its car. F1’s other new teams, Lotus and Virgin, have completed extensive pre-season testing.
Serbian team Stefan GP, which plans to race using the chassis Toyota developed for this year before pulling out, is hopeful of inheriting US F1’s place on the grid should the American team pull out as expected.
:wack:
US F1 = Fail, whats the point of missing 4 GPs to then compete in the rest of the season, hope Stefan GP get to the grid instead.
US F1 = Fail, whats the point of missing 4 GPs to then compete in the rest of the season, hope Stefan GP get to the grid instead.
Ferrari won't let Stefan GP come in apparently. All the teams have to agree. They're shady anyway. I've read that Campos and USF1 will merge.
The Ferrari story was more interesting.
http://www.ferrari.com/English/News/Pages/100222_GR_Per_chi_suona_la_campana.aspx
The Horse Whisperer - For whom the bell tolls
Maranello, 22nd February - Only less than three weeks to go until the ultimate form of motor sport, the Formula 1 World Championship, gets underway, while celebrating its sixtieth birthday this year. For many of the teams, this coming week is a crucial one, as the bell rings to signal the final lap, with the last test session getting underway in Barcelona. It is one last chance to run the cars on track, to push reliability to the limit and to try and find some performance. That’s the situation for many teams but not for all of them. Of the thirteen teams who signed up, or were induced to sign up, for this year’s Championship, to date only eleven of them have heeded the call, turning up on track, some later than others, and while some have managed just a few hundred kilometres, others have done more, but at a much reduced pace. As for the twelfth team, Campos Meta, its shareholder and management structure has been transformed, according to rumours which have reached the Horse Whisperer through the paddock telegraph, with a sudden cash injection from a munificent white knight, well used to this sort of last minute rescue deal. However, the beneficiaries of this generosity might find the knight in question expects them to fulfil the role of loyal vassal. All this means, it is hard to imagine the Dallara designed car showing its face at the Catalunya Circuit, with Sakhir a more likely venue to witness the return of the Senna name to a Formula 1 session.
The thirteenth team, USF1, appears to have gone into hiding in Charlotte, North Carolina, to the dismay of those like the Argentinian, Lopez, who thought he had found his way into the Formula 1 paddock, (albeit with help from chairwoman Kirchner, according to the rumours) and now has to start all over again. Amazingly, they still have the impudence to claim that everything is hunky-dory under the starry stripy sky.
Next, we have the Serbian vultures. Firstly, they launched themselves into a quixotic legal battle with the FIA, then they picked the bones of Toyota on its death bed. Having got some people on board, around whom there was still a whiff of past scandals, they are now hovering around waiting to replace whoever is first to drop out of the game, possibly with backing from that very same knight in shining armour whom we mentioned earlier.
This is the legacy of the holy war waged by the former FIA president. The cause in question was to allow smaller teams to get into Formula 1. This is the outcome: two teams will limp into the start of the championship, a third is being pushed into the ring by an invisible hand – you can be sure it is not the hand of Adam Smith – and, as for the fourth, well, you would do better to call on Missing Persons to locate it. In the meantime, we have lost two constructors along the way, in the shape of BMW and Toyota, while at Renault, there’s not much left other than the name. Was it all worth it
Meow!
zeppelin101
26-02-2010, 12:16
Ferrari won't let Stefan GP come in apparently. All the teams have to agree. They're shady anyway. I've read that Campos and USF1 will merge.
Mike Coughlan is involved with Stefan GP so that is reason alone for Ferrari to tell them to do one :nod:
Sideways14a
26-02-2010, 12:21
Todays testing times (session stopped for dins at the moment)
Alonso (1:20.637),
De La Rosa (1:20.973),
Liuzzi (1:21.056),
Vettel (1.21.258),
Alguersuari (1:21.571),
Schumacher (1:21.689),
Hamilton (1:22.152),
Hulkenberg (1:23.513),
Kubica (1:24.912),
Glock (1:26.622),
Trulli (1:26.677)
Where's the best place to view all the testing times so far? Need to pick my fanatasy F1 drivers and teams for work soon :wack:
Dunc.
They keep saying on the James Allen blog that it's been meaningless so far. I think the final day will be the time to decide, they'll do qualifying setups then.
Here's each day of results http://www.newsonf1.com/
From what I've seen it's (in no particular order) Red Bull, Mclaren, Ferrari. Then Mercedes, Sauber, Torro Rosso, Williams, Renault and Force India. With Virgin and Lotus bringing up the rear.
I think Sauber and the drivers will be a good cheap choice after you've stuck your oar into either Ferrari, McLaren or RB and Hamilton, Alonso or Vettel.
Where are you doing the Fantasy F1? I've been trying to find a decent free one. ITV don't seem to be running one again.
Infinity
01-03-2010, 10:48
Anyone know if the FOM have pulled their finger out of their backsides and are going to give us an HD feed this season?
Jut
Yes i do, no they havent.
Infinity
01-03-2010, 10:55
Yes i do, no they havent.
:(
I guess it's down to how much money the Beeb are prepared to pay.
Jut
It's not the beeb. It's FOM, we aren't getting HD until next year. Remember how long it took them to do widescreen broadcasts!
I think they're trailing it at certain races, but it isn't being shown anywhere.
Edit, I'm going to post the source for reasons that are clear...
http://twitter.com/LeeMcKenzieF1/status/7483495405
If only she were talking on Twitter.
Sideways14a
01-03-2010, 12:45
It is indeed down to FOM, they are dragging there heals after the abortive digital tv thing they tried a few years back.
Where are you doing the Fantasy F1? I've been trying to find a decent free one. ITV don't seem to be running one again.
Sorry it's just the one we do at our work between us for a few quid prize money at the end of the season.
Cheers for the help though :thumbs:
Dunc.
Infinity
01-03-2010, 13:22
It's not the beeb. It's FOM, we aren't getting HD until next year.
I know it's not the BBC directly, hence my earlier post about whether the FOM had got the HD feed sorted, but I'm guessing the BBC have to pay for the feed :)
Jut
zeppelin101
01-03-2010, 13:23
I know it's not the BBC directly, hence my earlier post about whether the FOM had got the HD feed sorted, but I'm guessing the BBC have to pay for the feed :)
Jut
Given that they paid a ridiculous sum of money and there was no UK competition, I'd hope that they've got a clause in the contract stating that when the FOM finally provide a HD feed the BBC can broadcast it.
If not, they were raped :wack:
Lewis no longer managed by his dad - Autosport story (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81801)
Stefan GP not going to buy out USF1's slot on the grid - more autosport (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81769)
looks to me like only the Lotus and Virgin, of the new teams, that will make the grid in Bahrain now. Lotus are well off the pace and Virgin are looking like they have a really fragile car which does make the new teams seem a little pointless. I think they should have been allowed to attend half the races this year and all next to allow to develope and actually compete.
Anyone know if the FOM have pulled their finger out of their backsides and are going to give us an HD feed this season?
Further to the other replies on this Bernie says there is not enough demand for it so they're not doing it and that's the end of it.
March 2nd, 2010 at 11:11 am
Yes. Hamilton fastest through the speed trap at 313km/h. Massa 308km/h, Barrichello 308, Schumacher, Kubica, Sutil 307, Buemi 305, Di Grassi 302, Vettel 301, Kobayashi 300, Kovalainen 298
Looks like the McLaren isn't the dog some people feared it might be. Lewis's time looked good on the race sim he did as well. Going to be tight between Ferrari, McLaren, Redbull and Merc this year.
Smoothound
02-03-2010, 12:40
Lewis no longer managed by his dad - Autosport story (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81801)
But, will his new manager trim those sideburns for him and polish his big shiny plastic face?
But, will his new manager trim those sideburns for him and polish his big shiny plastic face?
No idea, but 10% of what Hamiltons earnings I'd glady do it!
Make filling forms in interesting as well - occupation; Professional Face Polisher
No idea, but 10% of what Hamiltons earnings I'd glady do it!
Make filling forms in interesting as well - occupation; Professional Face Polisher
whats that do then?
About £1.1m per year
Ohhh YEAHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Bridge Corner :(
standing there watching the cars from so close............. and now it's gone
Bridge Corner :(
standing there watching the cars from so close............. and now it's gone
Its still there AFAIK, they just wont be using it :wack:
bit like seeing concord in a museum then, innit.
i can't see why they have done it though, it looses brigde and most of the final complex, and gains a bit of straight and a squiggle, but with no viewing for the straight and only a bit of grandstand by the squiggle (sorry, arena)
edit. lol, the bastids are selling tickets for Farm grandstand, even though the track doesn't go past it any more.....
Stefan GP not going to buy out USF1's slot on the grid - more autosport (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81769)
looks to me like only the Lotus and Virgin, of the new teams, that will make the grid in Bahrain now.
EJ says Stefan GP will be there:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8544246.stm
...and as much as I think the guy is a total tosspiece, I agree :wack: :nod:
It's not the beeb. It's FOM, we aren't getting HD until next year. Remember how long it took them to do widescreen broadcasts!
My mate is a cameraman for F1 (lucky bastard!) and I was chatting to him about this when we were in Brazil last year. He reckons that its a simple case of money - there are an absolutely incredible number of cameras at each F1 race and when the HD stuff costs at least 10 times what the SD does, it mounts up. :nod:
I know the lighting for Singapore is intended for HD, so it will come one day, but not this season. Which is a hell of a shame because I think it would be one of the best sports to watch in HD :(
20 subminiture vibration proof super indistructable HD cams for the cars too. more, if they have mirror cam, spoiler cam, suspension cam, cockpit cam.
20 subminiture vibration proof super indistructable HD cams for the cars too. more, if they have mirror cam, spoiler cam, suspension cam, cockpit cam.
and before they do that they need to sort out the signal drop that is sometimes experienced with the SD onboard cams.
personaly i'd rather a few stratigicaly placed super super slow motion cameras, showing the tyre deflection, suspension travel etc when they go over the kerbs etc
Infinity
02-03-2010, 15:15
I know the lighting for Singapore is intended for HD, so it will come one day, but not this season. Which is a hell of a shame because I think it would be one of the best sports to watch in HD :(
I would look bloody awesome in HD :nod:
Jut
I would look bloody awesome in HD :nod:
Jut
i bet you would, but what about the F1?:D
Sorry
McRearout
02-03-2010, 16:08
I would look bloody awesome in HD :nod:
Jut
So vain :wack:
EJ says Stefan GP will be there:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8544246.stm
...and as much as I think the guy is a total tosspiece, I agree :wack: :nod:
Ferrari have already said that they won't allow it, all the teams have to agree apparently. They've employed one of there people from spy gate :wack:
EJ says Stefan GP will be there:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8544246.stm
...and as much as I think the guy is a total tosspiece, I agree :wack: :nod:
Ferrari have already said that they won't allow it, all the teams have to agree apparently. They've employed one of there people from spy gate :wack:
Coughlan (I think it is) works for them but Ferrari were really that bothered about "spygate" then they wouldn't have employed Alonso who, through Pedro De La Rosa, was getting info from him. Think they're more annoyed he grassed them up over the cheating flexable floor to McLaren who got it banned (although they never were punished for cheating the win at Australia were they).
There's a quote from Todt that Stefan won't be racing in F1 this year somewhere - I'll see if I can find it. So Bernie says they're in (via Eddie) and Todt says they're out. Typical F1 so far and we'll only know when they actually get the car onto the grid for the start of the race.
edit....
Will Buxton - Stefan will not race at Bahrain (http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/2010/02/27/stefangp-will-not-race-in-bahrain/)
Got things a bit mixed up between Todt refusing to comment at the GT1 launch event on Stefan, as reported by joesaward, and the above.
Ferrari and McLaren kicking off already! :D
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Infinity
02-03-2010, 19:32
i bet you would, but what about the F1?:D
Sorry
So vain :wack:
Just saying... you know :D
I suppose the F1 would be ok...
Jut
USF1 close down (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81819)
Infinity
03-03-2010, 07:59
USF1 close down (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81819)
Come on Stefan GP :thumbs:
Jut
Yes come on the vultures that have done nothing to earn or justify their place other than having deep pockets. They haven't shown anything, how are they going to develop the car for this year, let alone next year.
Why should they be given an automatic place just because they were rich enough to buy the Toyota 2010 tech when other teams with pedigree like Lola and Prodrive were rejected.
Lola and prodrive were rejected as they wanted customer chassis, which is against the rules of the Concorde agreement.
personally i would allow Stefan GP, they are effectivly toyota, dont think of it as a rich team wanting in, its toyota staying in under a different name like honda and Brawn.
Stefans car is basically a toyota designed car (as it was designed mostly last year) and it keeps engineers/factroy etc in the sport.
Yes come on the vultures that have done nothing to earn or justify their place other than having deep pockets. They haven't shown anything, how are they going to develop the car for this year, let alone next year.
Why should they be given an automatic place just because they were rich enough to buy the Toyota 2010 tech when other teams with pedigree like Lola and Prodrive were rejected.
Well they're doing seat fittings - german link sorry (http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/2010/03/Villeneuve_Trotz_Sitzanpassung_noch_kein_Vertrag_1 0030218.html)
Got an experienced driver - jacques villeneuve (http://stefangp.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/jacques-villeneuve-signs-for-stefan-gp/)
Supposedly they have Toyota 2010 car which is going to be launched today, they've been at testing (Bridgestone wouldn't supply them tyres so they couldn't run) and they've got equipment to Bahrain. More than Campos, sorry Hispania as it is now, have managed.
They are the only team that could actually run this year if, and it's a huge if, the FIA open the vacant slot up for this year. All the other teams that applied have cancelled their programmes while Stefan kept on working. Stefan were also sueing the FIA over their rejection due to using a non-Cosworth engine. This is why I doubt they'll get to race this year. I imagine it'll scome down to how much it'll cost Bernie if they don't race as to weither or no tthey do go the go ahead.
You'd need to ask Max Mosely why Lola were rejected but Pro-drive where prevented from entering by Williams as Prodrive wanted to use a cutomer McLaren car (like STR).
Prodrive weren't rejected for the 2010 championship for wanting to run the McLaren chassis, that was 2006 or 2007. They were rejected for other reasons, probably that Max didn't like David Richards and that they didn't want to run Cosworth engines.
Lola also weren't rejected for wanting to run the customer chassis. Campos and USF1 were obviously better choices.
Stefan GP haven't been at any of the tests, the cars haven't left Cologne. They wanted to run a test elsewhere, but as you say couldn't get tyres. They also have shipped 'something' to Bahrain, but it isn't cars.
Whats it matter who is 'worthy' or not, I just want to see as many cars as poss on the grid and watch some racing :thumbs:
Infinity
03-03-2010, 13:10
Whats it matter who is 'worthy' or not, I just want to see as many cars as poss on the grid and watch some racing :thumbs:
Exactly :thumbs:
Jut
Campos racing, which turned into Hispania F1 two days ago, is now HRT racing. I eagerly await the Virgin taking HRT through the back door..........
schumi84
03-03-2010, 19:52
Whats it matter who is 'worthy' or not, I just want to see as many cars as poss on the grid and watch some racing :thumbs:
Good point well made :). Back to the good old days of racing in late 80s early 90s with 26-30 cars on the track :nod:.
I am so looking forward to this season starting i think a bit of wee came out :wack:
It really is going to be fantastic :nod:
Dunc.
Prodrive weren't rejected for the 2010 championship for wanting to run the McLaren chassis, that was 2006 or 2007. They were rejected for other reasons, probably that Max didn't like David Richards and that they didn't want to run Cosworth engines.
yeah, they were running a v8 made of two boxer engines. the car had 4wd. it was mica blue, with gold wheels. and a roof, and doors
they were hoping to do quite well in wet races:D
Maybe not looking so good for Stefan GP, but then the FIA have been known to change their mind :wack:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81828
Whats it matter who is 'worthy' or not, I just want to see as many cars as poss on the grid and watch some racing :thumbs:
Which you won't see from some half baked, ill conceived and inexperienced start up team who can't get their car finished in time! Lola and Prodrive are two hugely experienced motorsport teams who know how to compete and how to win races and their rejection is a loss for the fans IMO.
Maybe not looking so good for Stefan GP, but then the FIA have been known to change their mind :wack:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81828
Good :nod:
Which you won't see from some half baked, ill conceived and inexperienced start up team who can't get their car finished in time! Lola and Prodrive are two hugely experienced motorsport teams who know how to compete and how to win races and their rejection is a loss for the fans IMO.
This *is* a good point well made. I'm going for both Virgins qualifying 3.0 seconds from pole and the breaking in the first 20 laps with hydraulic failure. The Lotus (Loti?) will slope around the track and be lapped twice by the Ferraris. HRT well, who knows the car hasn't ran yet FFS :wack:
It's the pinnacle of motorsport but so far it's been amateur hour.
Good :nod:
Why so down on Stefan GP? What have they done to you?:confused:
All teams that exsist through a buy out of an old team could be labelled vultures. So I don't see why buying Toyota out is something you're so annoyed by. Lots of the current teams esist through buying out other teams.
It's the pinnacle of motorsport but so far it's been amateur hour.
Meh - there were always rubbish teams back in the 90s, you've just forgotten because they haven't been able to afford it for the last ten years. Bring on the minnows, I say! :)
Wallers - are you actually Luca di Montezemolo? ;)
Meh - there were always rubbish teams back in the 90s, you've just forgotten because they haven't been able to afford it for the last ten years. Bring on the minnows, I say! :)
Wallers - are you actually Luca di Montezemolo? ;)
Like Mercedes ;)
Like Mercedes ;)
:confused:
EDIT: Why hasn't it started yet, I can't stand the anticipation anymore :wack:
:confused:
EDIT: Why hasn't it started yet, I can't stand the anticipation anymore :wack:
In reference to the fact that some people dont like Toyota being snapped up when at least the purchase of Toyota kep a team in F1.
The worst example of someone buying a team is Mercedes buying Brawn. It didnt add any teams to F1 and was just a case of we want to win so we will buy the best
+1
Renault
Redbull
Torro Rosso
Force india
Prost
Jaguar
minardi
etc all teams that bought the carcase of a pervious team
and Stefan would have been no different
"There's a bit of a fuss over McLaren's rear wing," Horner was quoted as saying. "They have a slot on it and they can pick up a lot of straight-line speed.
"I think it will get resolved before the first race. We've asked the FIA for clarification although I think Ferrari are probably more excited than we are to be honest." (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81836)
Less than two weeks to go and out come the lawyers - classic F1 move! :D
Although to me it looks like Ferrari were rattled by the pace of MP4-25 on the last day of testing. Expect the "clarification" of Ferrari's wheels to be next.
Why so down on Stefan GP? What have they done to you?:confused:
All teams that exsist through a buy out of an old team could be labelled vultures. So I don't see why buying Toyota out is something you're so annoyed by. Lots of the current teams esist through buying out other teams.
Makes you laugh :rolleyes:
They designed a better car than us, its not fair :wack:
Full entry list
1 Jenson BUTTON (GBR) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES (GB)
2 Lewis HAMILTON (GBR) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES (GB)
3 Michael SCHUMACHER (D) MERCEDES GP PETRONAS FORMULA ONE TEAM
4 Nico ROSBERG (D) MERCEDES GP PETRONAS FORMULA ONE TEAM
5 Sebastian VETTEL (DEU) RED BULL RACING (AUT)
6 Mark WEBBER (AUS) RED BULL RACING (AUT)
7 Felipe MASSA (BRA) SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO (I)
8 Fernando ALONSO (ESP) SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO (I)
9 Rubens BARRICHELLO (BRA) AT&T WILLIAMS (GB)
10 Nico HÜLKENBERG (D) AT&T WILLIAMS (GB)
11 Robert KUBICA (POL) RENAULT F1 TEAM (FRA)
12 Vitaly PETROV (RUS) RENAULT F1 TEAM (FRA)
14 Adrian SUTIL (D) FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM (IND)
15 Vitantonio LIUZZI (I) FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM (IND)
16 Sébastien BUEMI (CH) SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO (I)
17 Jaime ALGUERSUARI (ESP) SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO (I)
18 Jarno TRULLI (I) LOTUS RACING (MAL)
19 Heikki KOVALAINEN (FIN) LOTUS RACING (MAL)
20 TBA HRT F1 TEAM (ESP)
21 Bruno SENNA (BRA) HRT F1 TEAM (ESP)
22 Pedro DE LA ROSA (ESP) BMW SAUBER F1 TEAM (CH)
23 Kamui KOBAYASHI (J) BMW SAUBER F1 TEAM (CH)
24 Timo GLOCK (DEU) VIRGIN RACING (GB)
25 Luca DI GRASSI (BRA) VIRGIN RACING (GB)
AshT_200
04-03-2010, 12:33
Renault F1 confirms partnership with Lada :wack:
http://twitter.com/autorace_f1
Probably the manufacturer least likely to be associated with Formula One, Russian car maker Lada has announced it will be sponsoring the Renault F1 team for 2010.
The announcement, made by Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin, is linked to the signing of Vitaly Petrov as the country's first F1 driver. Putin said Renault's signing of Petrov is a "great symbol of cooperation" between the French marque and Russia.
"We will sponsor this activity [the F1 team] as a first step, and do not rule out later increasing our financial participation in the project," the prime minister told news agency EFE.
In 2008, Renault bought a 25% stake in Lada's parent company Avtovaz for US$1 billion, and it is reported that Renault's chief executive Carlos Ghosn may now look to increase its involvement.
Although the car will carry Lada branding for 2010, there are no plans to change the team name.
Campos racing, which turned into Hispania F1 two days ago, is now HRT racing. I eagerly await the Virgin taking HRT through the back door..........
HRT? They might have not picked the name of an existing motorport team, of all the bloody letter combinations out there, muppets!
Renault F1 confirms partnership with Lada :wack:
http://twitter.com/autorace_f1
renaults way out then in 2011/2012
+1
Renault
Redbull
Torro Rosso
Force india
Prost
Jaguar
minardi
etc all teams that bought the carcase of a pervious team
and Stefan would have been no different
OK, I don't hate Stefan, I just don't think they should get an automatic grid spot. Also there's a huge difference between the teams that you've listed and Stefan GP.
All of the teams above took over current F1 teams with a valid entry to the championship. Current and Valid are the salient words. Stefan GP attempted to gain entry to the championship using their own chassis, however like Lola and Prodrive were denied entry. So Toyota don't sign the Concorde agreement and withdraw from the sport. Stefan agree to buy the carcase of the team and attempt to wrangle their way into the sport waiting for one of the other teams to drop out.
They're vultures, they've been there saying "hey look at us, we've bought Toyota's cars and factory". I've read that the FIA are going to assess their ability to run for the entire championship to see if they're monkeys or not.
I guess the team that you should have named as they're in a similar position to Stefan are BMW Sauber. BMW also dropped out and didn't sign the Concorde agreement. Peter Sauber took on the team again and they were granted the last remaining place which was Toyota's. However Sauber have a racing pedigree and had been in the sport for many years before being bought out by BMW.
I think I read that BMW had been using a Blown Rear wing last year. Mclaren have gone a few steps further though.
Edit: here are some more crazy things http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/ I love the ferrarri wheel design to get around the FIA banning those wheel discs.
http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=scarbsf1.wordpress.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Fscarbsf1.files.wordpress.com%2F20 10%2F02%2Fferrari_frontwheel.jpg
zeppelin101
04-03-2010, 13:39
Stefan GP not granted entry (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81828)
I think I read that BMW had been using a Blown Rear wing last year. Mclaren have gone a few steps further though.
Apparently McLaren did as well but as they were :censored: last year noone cared.
On the Autosport forum there's a bloke called ATM Andy, definately works for McLaren (it's thought he's LH's race engineer) and he says that they're confident regarding the wing and that Ferrari have told them (McLaren) they haven't complained.
AshT_200
04-03-2010, 15:30
Apparently McLaren did as well but as they were :censored: last year noone cared.
On the Autosport forum there's a bloke called ATM Andy, definately works for McLaren (it's thought he's LH's race engineer) and he says that they're confident regarding the wing and that Ferrari have told them (McLaren) they haven't complained.
Perhaps the wing was a Ferrari design :wack:
HRT Sign Karun Chandhok as second driver (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81842)
and
McLaren confident of wing legality (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81836) - apparently Ferrari aren't bothered :smash:
HRT Sign Karun Chandhok as second driver (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81842)
So the only Indian driver and he isnt driving for Force India :D
Bridge Corner :(
standing there watching the cars from so close............. and now it's gone
Its still there AFAIK, they just wont be using it :wack:
if you go to http://www.silverstone.co.uk/events/2010-Formula-1-Santander-British-Grand-Prix1/ and click on 'the circuit' then it looks like bridge is still there and unused.
but if you go to http://www.silverstone.co.uk/ click on HOME and then THE CIRCUIT you can see there is a raised viewing area through what used to be Farm.
One map show the arena as having two normal stands, the other shows a half moon arrangement. that same map shows Stowe as being banked viewing, with all three stands gone:eek:
Copse goes from three stands to 1, and 5 woodcoat/luffield stands become 2
why would they reduce the number of stands? madness
save you looking, the maps are attached
HRT Car unveiled (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81850) - looks like the Virgin with a different colour scheme :wack:
So, how many laps of the race will the HRT cars manage before they both break down? I reckon no more than 20 :smash:
And will they get further than Virgin? :wack:
tv coverage
Practice one: 0655-0835, BBC Red Button/online
Practice two: 1100-1230, BBC Red Button/online
Saturday 13 March
Practice three: 0755-0855, BBC Red Button/online
Qualifying: 1000-1230, BBC One/online and BBC Radio 5 live/online
Sunday 14 March
Race: 1110-1415, BBC One/online and BBC Radio 5 live/online
Post race forum: 1415-1515, BBC Red Button/online
Highlights: 1900-2000 and 0150-0245, BBC Three (highlights then looped on Red Button)
Infinity
11-03-2010, 17:20
Sweet, should be able to stream second practice at work - one monitor for work, one for F1 :thumbs:
Jut
im going ot be setting my PS3 to recoded the practices.
how i've missed F1
Smoothound
11-03-2010, 17:28
Excitement! https://tigersmouth.org/images/smiley/th_bouncy.gif
Chriscooke
11-03-2010, 17:49
Classic races are now on the red button :cool:
Quite relived that McLaren rear wing got through scrutineering and is now legal. Although apprarently 3 teams are still whinging - probably Red Bull, Torro Rosso not sure who the 3rd would be.
McLaren also signed up another future world champ in the young, 14, Nyck De Vries. Don't really follow carting but apparently he nearly beat the reigning world champ (Marco Ardigo) and the other month whipped a few men that were 0.2/0.3s faster than Schumacher.
donnylad
11-03-2010, 22:04
im just gutted it wont be in HD :/
Red Bulls response to the now legal McLaren wing;
HR78 - FLUIDICS ENGINEER
Red Bull Technology
Position Title: HR78 - Fluidics Engineer
We are looking to fill an urgent opportunity within our aerodynamics department.
Applications are welcome from fluidics engineers, either recent graduates or with experience from within a similar role in Formula One.
Qualifications should include a degree or PhD in aeronautical or mechanical engineering and the ability to demonstrate a solid understanding of aerodynamics is essential.
To apply please send or Email your C.V. and covering letter quoting the reference HR778 and current salary to:
Human Resources, Red Bull Racing Limited, Bradbourne Drive, Tilbrook, Milton Keynes, MK7 8BJ, England.
Email: human.resources@redbulltechnology.com
Closing date for applications: Thursday 18th March 2010
NO AGENCIES PLEASE
Infinity
12-03-2010, 07:51
Watching 1st practice now :thumbs:
Jut
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