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I picked up my 180 last night (after deciding that it would cost too much to get my 200 to a decent enough spec).
Manufactured in 1994, It was imported in 2006.
Heres the spec list:
SR20DET @ 120,000km
Coilovers
Adjustable Susp. Arms
Uprated subby bushes
Locking collars
Plus some other bits
It's in generally good condition with some scratches/crazing on the paintwork but all in all a very solid car.
Has some minor little problems, not sure if anyone can point me in the right direction of how to rectify them but here they are:
Speedo is tempremental, sometimes works, sometimes doesn't
Has this idling problem, decelerating to a stop in neutral she sometimes stalls, the revs drop quite a bit.
As you can see from the pictures she currently has a UK spec rear bumper
Also, I want to know if I paid a good price for her. She is the cheapest 180 I have seen but I paid £2500. Just got to sell my 200 now!
Let me know what you think.
http://cdn.images.pistonheads.com/aimg/1265/1265386-2.jpg
http://cdn.images.pistonheads.com/aimg/1265/1265386-3.jpg
mattlake
17-11-2009, 18:29
welcome:wave:
redsx94!
17-11-2009, 19:13
good price
Has this idling problem, decelerating to a stop in neutral she sometimes stalls, the revs drop quite a bit.
Maybe a VTA dump valve?
Rude Dog
17-11-2009, 21:51
Idle problem could be coilpacks beginning to go west?
Nice car, wicked price:eek::thumbs:
redsx94!
17-11-2009, 21:55
i bet there's a boost leak.
Chriscooke
17-11-2009, 21:55
That looks like a goodun. Cheap too:D
i bet there's an atmostpheric leak between the afm and the turbo inlet.
welcome man, looks like you've got yourself a wee bargain!
Rubix_Cube
17-11-2009, 22:21
Welcome along bud :)
joshm8991
18-11-2009, 21:09
nice car good price too:thumbs:
Looks a good buy mate, welcome! Nice front wheels :)
Appreciate the replies guys. Really enjoying driving her, completely different machine to the 200!
The previous owner said it might be a sticky dump valve but I don't really know where to start. What things can I check myself?
The wheels are racing heart I believe. Keeping my eyes out for another pair.
Apologies for all the basic questions, I'm a pretty good mechanic but forced induction is alien to me! Any suggestions, performance or otherwise would be great. :D
DavidRuston
19-11-2009, 09:10
looking nice, I have a 180sx based Sil80 and in Japan that cost me £2800 before shipping etc.
Mines got a forged engine and with some other toys etc, but still by the time it was home was £4000 so I think you £2500 is great value
Thanks, I'm thinking of turning her into a sil80 one day too!
Looks like i might be right then, yay.
Try removing the dumpvalve and plugging the hose and see if it makes any difference.
monsterer
19-11-2009, 11:34
Check the wiring to the AFM; i had a similar problem after an alarm fitter had accidently cut one of the sensor wires which comes out of the firewall on the right as you look at the car (down by where the turbo is).
It would rev ok after you started it, but then a few minutes in it would cut out and when driving it, it was ok until you pull up to a junction, then it totally stalled.
With the engine running, if you wiggle that bunch of wires and notice any change in engine note you might have a break in there somewhere....
SidewaysThough
19-11-2009, 15:11
Nice one adam!
Just taken a couple of pictures.
Can anyone tell me where these are supposed to go or point me in the right direction as to what they do? The previous owner said he has blocked them off and the car runs fine...
Maybe you guys can shed some light on this?
This is just above the exhaust manifold
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http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs034.snc3/12147_335635830152_580045152_9987523_7416177_n.jpg
Coming off the inlet pipe
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs014.snc3/12147_335635840152_580045152_9987524_7643063_n.jpg
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs014.snc3/12147_335635860152_580045152_9987525_4453690_n.jpg
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs014.snc3/12147_335635875152_580045152_9987526_4029097_n.jpg
monsterer
19-11-2009, 19:22
That first one is the EGR which can be totally removed - its probably ok like that as when the valve opens it will just suck air from that open pipe, but it looks messy.
The 2nd one looks like the recirculating dump valve for the turbo, which really should be connected - what exactly is it partially connected to down there?
IIRC it used to connect to the wing mount intercooler... :confused:
The dump valve is connected to the inlet pipe just after the air filter, where should it go to? I know theres a bigger pipe and a small vac hose disconnected....
What about the small vac hoses in the last pic?
monsterer
19-11-2009, 20:02
The dump valve is connected to the inlet pipe just after the air filter, where should it go to? I know theres a bigger pipe and a small vac hose disconnected....
What about the small vac hoses in the last pic?
IIRC the recirc valve is supposed to connect the pressure side of the intake system with the inlet side so that when it needs to dump to stop surge, the air gets recirculated into the intake - could be wrong though :) The vac hose on the recirc valve goes to a vacuum source i think.
The other vac hose which is closed off looks like the soloniod which reduces boost in 1st and 2nd gears...
chapman-S13
19-11-2009, 23:42
you better chech you have an aftermarket elbow if the EGR has bin removed elce it could cause damage to the cat (if its still in)
the dump valve looks disconnected ok but should be done with neat bungs really spesh if the springs slightly work and is allowing air to pass creating your boost leak!
check down on the wing mount too and see how thats been bunged off make sure the bung is secure there!
also ditch the HKS filter there the worst filter ever created and yours looks in worse nick that mine was and my tubby looked as if it had been sand blasted to death on the input impeller!!! the BLITZ LM fits in there really nice and was perfect bolt on for the AFM
other than that nice 180 and welcome!
chapman-S13
19-11-2009, 23:46
oh and just to add the last pic
folow the air filter back past the afm and follow the elephant trunk down o the turbo that pipe just slide into a small hole there somewhere mines slightly stretched and occasionally keeps popping out too!
it is something to do with stock boost control i think
Ok, I'll have another look at it all tonight.
FYI I have a front mount so I dunno if it has what you are referring to.
welcome mate nice looking car mate welcome
chapman-S13
20-11-2009, 19:02
if you have a FMIC then there isnt anywhere for a DV correct??
thats why its hanging there doing nothing bar blocking the intake pipe?
Ok, i'm confused. There are ways to have a dump valve and a front mount right? :s
chapman-S13
22-11-2009, 12:23
yes you need to buy a hot pipe take off like i have here
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z208/s13cruiser/P05-09-09_150401.jpg
mine came from RDHjapan from ebay and can recomend him
this is the DV i have fitted from this same seller http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BLITZ-SS-BOV-Blow-off-S13-CA18DET-200sx-180sx-SR20det_W0QQitemZ390114450095QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK _CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item5ad4a21aa f
redsx94!
22-11-2009, 18:41
Just for the record 180sx's don't limit boost in 1st and 2nd gear like an s14. There's not to much going on there. The thing above your exhaust just needs the hose comin out the bottom of it block up properly and remove the rest of it.
The dump valve just needs takin off the intake and block off the hole where it went on the intake. Also block the vac lines that went to the dump valve and the thing above the exhaust (egr valve)
redsx94!
22-11-2009, 18:45
The bottom picture you posted of the vac pipes is for the old boost solinoid. Prob disconected cause the guy has prob got the boost controlled by other means and just run vac pipe straight from a boost source to the actuator.
Thanks for the replies guys. I have already blocked off/removed the standard recirc valve and I will block off & remove the egr valve tonight. Then look at getting a dump valve to stop that compressor surge.
Also, I can only find the blitz lm filters for ca s13s, these are the same right? Would this be the best air filter to get or are there others?
monsterer
23-11-2009, 09:39
Just for the record 180sx's don't limit boost in 1st and 2nd gear like an s14. There's not to much going on there.
In that case, what is the solonoid connected to the actuator for?
redsx94!
23-11-2009, 10:12
Did we not have this conversation before in a thread. I've had 2 180sx's and both boosted 0.7 through every gear until one day I was in traffic on a really hot day then when I got out the traffic it only boosted to 0.4-5 I think it maybe lowers the boost when the temps are high. There was also someone else in the same thread said his boosted the same in every gear
redsx94!
23-11-2009, 10:13
Don't get rid of the compressor surge it's cool to have that
Yeah I like compressor surge. Mines not got it that loud though, how can I get compressor surge louder? Sorry if I sound like too much of a newbie I just don't know much about turbos!
ferretca18
23-11-2009, 13:23
Compressor stall is great, to get the loudest sound you need a free flowing filter (i used to have a Blitz filter, admitedly its crap as a filter, just fine steel mesh) then get an induction hardpipe kit, and ditch any blow off valve/ dump valve that you are running. et voila, lots of chchchchchch when lifting off.:thumbs:
monsterer
23-11-2009, 15:09
Did we not have this conversation before in a thread. I've had 2 180sx's and both boosted 0.7 through every gear until one day I was in traffic on a really hot day then when I got out the traffic it only boosted to 0.4-5 I think it maybe lowers the boost when the temps are high. There was also someone else in the same thread said his boosted the same in every gear
We did yeah - unless you can read japanese you can't say for sure. The best guess that anyone could make was that the soloniod was connected to the gearbox by following the wiring diagram, ergo reduced boost in lower gears...
chapman-S13
23-11-2009, 21:06
mine boosts 0.6/0.7 in every gear thats ended that one!
with the blitz BOV i showed i get both due to it being adjustable i would the screw right in so at low boost in traffic ect it chatters and when i howl it down the drag strip on full boost it dumps!!
as for making the chatter louder i did mine by using the s14 elephant trunk! (that was the best way to get the gt2871r to fit)
oh and to be fair an air filter is an air filter i read bad things about the blitz SUS but the LM was rated the same as the apexi version the advantage the LM is that the filter element is easilly changable rather than having to wash it! i got mine from apex!
redsx94!
24-11-2009, 00:39
The thing is though it's connected to the same solinoid that's on a ca which is called a hot start solinoid. Which adjusts the vac to the fpr
So, to summarise:
I have already ditched the recirc dump valve and blocked the hole off.
I will invest in a new Blitz LM filter (I can only find ones for ca on eBay - are they the same?)
I will remove the egr valve and block off the pipe and vac hose going to that.
Any other advice?
What could be the problem with my 'stalling on idle' issue? I will do a fault code test soon, is the ecu layout similar to a 14?
monsterer
25-11-2009, 19:57
The thing is though it's connected to the same solinoid that's on a ca which is called a hot start solinoid. Which adjusts the vac to the fpr
This is connected to the *actuator* though, nothing to do with hot start. Its for altering the boost one way or the other... :thumbs:
me like :D
SR20DET Compressor Surge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZUbo_mNDZM
redsx94!
26-11-2009, 19:21
This is connected to the *actuator* though, nothing to do with hot start. Its for altering the boost one way or the other... :thumbs:
Yeah true but as it's connected to something temp related in another model I think it makes sense that my boost lowered when it was hot. Weird thing is the solinoid for the egr is identical to the s14's boost solinoid
So I can remove the egr valve completely? Would it be worth getting a stainless elbow as it does not have a take off for the egr?
What would be the best dump valve/air filter to get. I will have the dump valve adjusted right in so it doesn't make that whoosh sound but has more compressor surge.
chapman-S13
27-11-2009, 19:07
depends what sound your after the blitz one i posted up gives compressor flutter more often than it dumps when wound in but when it dumps gives off a more drawn out whoosh!
i went to see this car with one of my friends, very nice car indeed! good buy! did you see the guys s14a that thing is nutz!
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