matrix

[Missy]

here is the new matrix emoticion from dev art

http://images.deviantart.com/large/icon/emoticons/Matrix_emoticon_II.gif

[andyf]

Hey you're back to Girls Aloud avatar thingy again

[Dave_S]

Originally posted by Missy
here is the new matrix emoticion from dev art

http://images.deviantart.com/large/icon/emoticons/Matrix_emoticon_II.gif

LOL thats cool :D

Dave

[hadyn]

shame the actual matrix reloaded film aint cool - worst script i have ever ever had the misfortune to witness being acted out, how could they destroy the memory of the brilliance of the first matrix??? :cry:

[Deacon]

no doubt it was no way as good as the first film but could get near it :notworthy

but the effects where good on the whole but after the 3rd fight seane it got a big boring

the bit in the middle with the big party where they all dancing about lol way to fill 10 minuntes :D

the old key bloke was cool but the bit where they opened the door i thought ohh matrix does slap stick :o

the car seane was inpressive :cool:

[Missy]

Originally posted by andyf
Hey you're back to Girls Aloud avatar thingy again

i didn't realise i was being monitored

[andyf]

(cue admiral pirinov) Eeeye Monitorrr Eeeeeeeevvverythinkkk!! (/cue)

:D

[andyf]

Originally posted by hadyn
shame the actual matrix reloaded film aint cool - worst script i have ever ever had the misfortune to witness being acted out, how could they destroy the memory of the brilliance of the first matrix??? :cry:


Each to their own, of course, 25% of people who have voted on Rottentomatoes.com agree with you! I'm one of the 75% who liked it tho and very much look forward to the second half of the story. Can I ask what it was in particular you didn't like? Friends I've spoken to who didn't like it were mostly expecting a heavy action flick and were disappointed with it for that reason.

[hadyn]

i didnt like it, because the entire film was a non-experience, i wasnt expecting loads of action or mind blowing effects to be honest, what i wanted was a film that could actually challenge your consciousness and perception like the first one did - i kid you not, when i left the cinema after the first film and saw daylight, i started looking at bins and seeing green code, and wondering - is that real!!! :eek: :D

[Steve(S14a)]

I thought it was all good until you got to where Neo meets the Architect and is told that the war has been fought several times already!

That mixes up the whole logic of it.

You have the story within the Matrix with the rogue code that keeps perpetuating the same problems. i.e. there being more than one occurance of Neo during the system's lifecycle.

But then we are told that the world outside of the matrix, i.e. Zion, is attacked many times over? How can this be? Unless this too is inside of the Matrix?
That insinuates that Zion is part of the program too; because how can 'reality' be destroyed (and hence recreated) many times over?

Up until that point you had two seperate states, being in 'The Matrix' and then being unplugged into 'reality'.

But now that's all confused. I think they have messed up here.

Anyone?

[stoofer]

Originally posted by Steve(S14a)
I thought it was all good until you got to where Neo meets the Architect and is told that the war has been fought several times already!

That mixes up the whole logic of it.

You have the story within the Matrix with the rogue code that keeps perpetuating the same problems. i.e. there being more than one occurance of Neo during the system's lifecycle.

But then we are told that the world outside of the matrix, i.e. Zion, is attacked many times over? How can this be? Unless this too is inside of the Matrix?
That insinuates that Zion is part of the program too; because how can 'reality' be destroyed (and hence recreated) many times over?

Up until that point you had two seperate states, being in 'The Matrix' and then being unplugged into 'reality'.

But now that's all confused. I think they have messed up here.

Anyone?

destroy it beyond all recognition, collapse it, kill everyone, there we go, its gone. it doesnt exist and the memory of it is all gone apart from Neo, who picks some people from the matrix to start over. he doesnt tell them that its all happened before, so as far as they and all their descendants are concerned, it hasnt. In the first film we're told that they havent got much of a clue about the history of the world and dont even know what year it is...

I liked Reloaded. it was slow in places but a good action flick with a few interesting leads to tie up in Revolutions. It wasnt ever going to have as much of an impact as the first film though, it had already laid down the ground rules so we knew or guessed a lot of what to expect.

[TomM]

Originally posted by Steve(S14a)
You have the story within the Matrix with the rogue code that keeps perpetuating the same problems. i.e. there being more than one occurance of Neo during the system's lifecycle.

But then we are told that the world outside of the matrix, i.e. Zion, is attacked many times over? How can this be? Unless this too is inside of the Matrix?
That insinuates that Zion is part of the program too; because how can 'reality' be destroyed (and hence recreated) many times over?

Because, every time, the other Neos took the decision to re-insert back into the Matrix code, and then (back in their human guise) were allowed to choose 15 other people to re-populate Zion with.

This Neo didn;t - he was in luuuurrrve (aah) so he chose not to re-insert himself back into the Matrix's code, so he could go save Trinity. Unfortunately, according to the Architect, this means that Zion is doomed, and (due to the choice Neo made) there will be no fresh start for the human race, so all human life is doomed.

Two questions:

1) Why would the Architect, every time, wish to allow Zion to be re-populated, and start the cycle of rebels fighting the machines again?

2) WTF was it with Neo stopping the Sentinels in 'real life'? Is it a Matrix within a matrix, or has he somehow become coupled with the machines in some way, to give him power over them?

[Steve(S14a)]

Originally posted by Tombs
Because, every time, the other Neos took the decision to re-insert back into the Matrix code, and then (back in their human guise) were allowed to choose 15 other people to re-populate Zion with.

This Neo didn;t - he was in luuuurrrve (aah) so he chose not to re-insert himself back into the Matrix's code, so he could go save Trinity. Unfortunately, according to the Architect, this means that Zion is doomed, and (due to the choice Neo made) there will be no fresh start for the human race, so all human life is doomed.

Two questions:

1) Why would the Architect, every time, wish to allow Zion to be re-populated, and start the cycle of rebels fighting the machines again?

2) WTF was it with Neo stopping the Sentinels in 'real life'? Is it a Matrix within a matrix, or has he somehow become coupled with the machines in some way, to give him power over them?

I see what you're saying.

But both your points tend towards the conclusion that 'reality' is actually part of the Matrix.

This is the only conclusion that makes sense (to me) because then in answer to your points:

1/ It gives the Architect a reason to start the process over again. As this free choice program 'anomaly' is what makes this Matrix successful over the others before it. Hence Zion could not totally be wiped out else the free choice program would in essence be deleted.

2/ A human does not suddenly become 'superhuman' nor do we know that Neo is some cyborg (part machine etc.) so again, that only makes sense if 'reality' is actually part of the Matrix after all.

[stoofer]

Originally posted by Steve(S14a)
I see what you're saying.

But both your points tend towards the conclusion that 'reality' is actually part of the Matrix.

This is the only conclusion that makes sense (to me) because then in answer to your points:

1/ It gives the Architect a reason to start the process over again. As this free choice program 'anomaly' is what makes this Matrix successful over the others before it. Hence Zion could not totally be wiped out else the free choice program would in essence be deleted.

2/ A human does not suddenly become 'superhuman' nor do we know that Neo is some cyborg (part machine etc.) so again, that only makes sense if 'reality' is actually part of the Matrix after all.

1/ not necessarialy. the free choice leads to some people rejecting the matrix. so they allow Zion to grow and these people to live there so that the matrix still keeps all the other people there. they then destroy Zion before its any real threat and go back to square one. (Neo +23 others from the matrix to rebuild Zion) this keeps all the freed people nicely in one spot for when they need to be destroyed again...

2/ Smith got something from Neo, isn't it feasible that Neo got something from Smith? we know that what people have (oracles package) or are (bloke taken over by smith) while they are in the matrix is able to be taken out.

[andyf]

hmm i'm sure there was another thread with pretty much all this already said :D

as noticed around the place (multiplay forums for example), there seem to be 2-3 very likely theories. Discussing them makes each one seem likely or unlikely. The wachowski's, in my opinion, have made a film that has been split into two, with the first half providing a large incentive to go and see the second half 6 months later. I would take a wild guess and say that Matrix Reloaded is going to have more repeat viewings than, say, Star Wars at the cinema,.

[hadyn]

from a purely corporate and cynical viewpoint, id say that the next film is coming out very soon(in november)due to the fact that if the great unwashed masses had to wait 3 years for another matrix film, after this huge disappointment there would be very little public interest for it..........the anti-climatic ending is almost like the brothers fell asleep when writing the script, and woke up with someone forcing them to make a film, with no more time for the script! :( :sleep: :sleep:

[Dave_S]

lol I know what you mean about the ending :D but then it is to carry on to the other film!

I enjoyed it immensely and Im off to see it again as soon as I can :)

Dave

[Steve(S14a)]

Originally posted by stoofer
1/ not necessarialy. the free choice leads to some people rejecting the matrix. so they allow Zion to grow and these people to live there so that the matrix still keeps all the other people there. they then destroy Zion before its any real threat and go back to square one. (Neo +23 others from the matrix to rebuild Zion) this keeps all the freed people nicely in one spot for when they need to be destroyed again...

2/ Smith got something from Neo, isn't it feasible that Neo got something from Smith? we know that what people have (oracles package) or are (bloke taken over by smith) while they are in the matrix is able to be taken out.

1/ I think you may have missed the point that Tombs made originally and hence my answer to it.

2/ No.

If you work on the basis that 'reality' and the 'Matrix' are seperate as we were led to believe in the first film then that is impossible.

Smith can take from Neo because in the Matrix both are computer programs. The difference being that the program Neo is under human control.

It is impossible for a human being once leaving the Matrix to 'take' something from it as a program can manipulate or corrupt another program but not a human being (i.e. entities that exist outside of the Matrix).

But as you rightly said, why would a human go to see a computer program to determine his future (i.e. morpheous and the Oracle etc?)

.... unless there is no outside of the Matrix after all.

Which is what I was on about in the first place. :)

Andy,

Sorry! Haven't noticed the other threads. :o

I will shut up now :D

[stoofer]

Originally posted by Steve(S14a)
1/ I think you may have missed the point that Tombs made originally and hence my answer to it.

2/ No.

If you work on the basis that 'reality' and the 'Matrix' are seperate as we were led to believe in the first film then that is impossible.

Smith can take from Neo because in the Matrix both are computer programs. The difference being that the program Neo is under human control.

It is impossible for a human being once leaving the Matrix to 'take' something from it as a program can manipulate or corrupt another program but not a human being (i.e. entities that exist outside of the Matrix).

But as you rightly said, why would a human go to see a computer program to determine his future (i.e. morpheous and the Oracle etc?)

.... unless there is no outside of the Matrix after all.

Which is what I was on about in the first place. :)

Andy,

Sorry! Haven't noticed the other threads. :o

I will shut up now :D

1/ didnt miss it, but its no reason why they wouldnt completely destroy Zion. eradicate it & start over. we know that the previous 'Neo' freed the 'first' people from the matrix (movie 1 says so)

2/ not necesarially. and things are taken out in Reloaded... smiths personality is taken out in that guy he took over and sabotaged Zion, and the package the oracle wanted delivered to Neo is also taken out. whether its as data that goes back into their head when they're unhooked or uploaded into a 3rd party device doesnt matter. the fact that he shoved an envelope into his jacket and delivered the contents to Neo shows that they're aware of this ability.

still, should be interesting in 'Revolutions.'

[Phil L]

I thought it was very good, expected worse because of hype, reviews and stuff...

didn't fully understand what was being explained, those deep conversations were a bit hard to follow...well for me anyway
:o

need another viewing to catch a bit more.

[hadyn]

not hard to follow, more like cobbled together and poorly scripted - like a poorly written 10,000 word essay by a pi*sed student the night before it has to be in.......:cry: